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2013-05-01 12:19:50 AM
Oh snap.
 
2013-05-01 12:27:39 AM
Somehow I think if the team was called "The Washington Negroes" he wouldn't be talking about the tyranny of political correctness.
 
2013-05-01 12:46:53 AM

Rincewind53: Somehow I think if the team was called "The Washington Negroes" he wouldn't be talking about the tyranny of political correctness.


I wonder if Quentin Tarantino has enough money to buy the team.
 
2013-05-01 01:29:25 AM

Rincewind53: Somehow I think if the team was called "The Washington Swastikas" he wouldn't be talking about the tyranny of political correctness.


FTFY

Anyways, can anyone explain to me how the term Redskin became racist? It was in regular usage for quite some time and didnt always have those connotations. Indian is still acceptable even though they arent Indians. I never understood how these kinds of pejoratives are formed.

What I have noticed is that pretty much most of them are of Germanic descent (with the big exception of the n-bomb and "negro"). I am curious if that has anything to do with it (the vulgarity of Saxon words over the educated Latin words).
 
2013-05-01 02:29:29 AM

cman: Rincewind53: Somehow I think if the team was called "The Washington Swastikas" he wouldn't be talking about the tyranny of political correctness.

FTFY

Anyways, can anyone explain to me how the term Redskin became racist? It was in regular usage for quite some time and didnt always have those connotations. Indian is still acceptable even though they arent Indians. I never understood how these kinds of pejoratives are formed.

What I have noticed is that pretty much most of them are of Germanic descent (with the big exception of the n-bomb and "negro"). I am curious if that has anything to do with it (the vulgarity of Saxon words over the educated Latin words).


Honestly I really don't know but it doesn't matter because that group of people deems it offensive. Negro and colored used to acceptable as well but not anymore. I was surprised to learn the Oriental is now considered offensive. Especially considering how many businesses in my area still use it in their name. Language changes and words we use today will become derogatory or racist in the future. I think it's funny that my roommate gets pissed when people call him African American. He's from Germany and would rather be called Black (or German-American since he got his citizenship). So to him the "correct" term is offensive and would rather be called by the more incorrect term.
 
2013-05-01 07:29:58 AM

Tellingthem: I was surprised to learn the Oriental is now considered offensive.


It hasn't been the preferred nomenclature for ages.
 
2013-05-01 07:30:46 AM

Tellingthem: cman: Rincewind53: Somehow I think if the team was called "The Washington Swastikas" he wouldn't be talking about the tyranny of political correctness.

FTFY

Anyways, can anyone explain to me how the term Redskin became racist? It was in regular usage for quite some time and didnt always have those connotations. Indian is still acceptable even though they arent Indians. I never understood how these kinds of pejoratives are formed.

What I have noticed is that pretty much most of them are of Germanic descent (with the big exception of the n-bomb and "negro"). I am curious if that has anything to do with it (the vulgarity of Saxon words over the educated Latin words).

Honestly I really don't know but it doesn't matter because that group of people deems it offensive. Negro and colored used to acceptable as well but not anymore. I was surprised to learn the Oriental is now considered offensive. Especially considering how many businesses in my area still use it in their name. Language changes and words we use today will become derogatory or racist in the future. I think it's funny that my roommate gets pissed when people call him African American. He's from Germany and would rather be called Black (or German-American since he got his citizenship). So to him the "correct" term is offensive and would rather be called by the more incorrect term.


Sadly, I don't have access to the online OED database through the university anymore, but I looked it up a couple of years ago.  The term "redskin" was almost universally associated with natives in a pejorative manner.  It was closely associated with the concept of the "white man's burden", which was a fabricated justification for imperialism, cloaking the practice with a veneer of nobility.

As much as some people might not like it, it WILL eventually change.  Perhaps some professional sports teams like the Braves or the Indians might last longer, but "Redskin" is unequivocally a racist term and much like the NCAA filtered out the team names and mascots unless they had the full support of the related indigenous people, the Washington football team will eventually bow to the pressure and change.  And it will be the right decision.

But we can all likely agree it's got a snowball's chance in hell of happening while this schmuck - the one who cut down historic trees on his property the National Park Service specifically told him not to - is the owner.
 
2013-05-01 07:33:01 AM
If I was famous, I would shut the hell up.
 
2013-05-01 08:02:29 AM
Despite the tyranny of political correctness oppressing freedom of speech, this person somehow finds a way to exercise his right to be an asshole. Interesting.
 
2013-05-01 08:04:11 AM
Every time I shiat in the fountain at the mall, a bunch of PC do-gooders get all in my face about it.
 
2013-05-01 08:07:52 AM

Tellingthem: I was surprised to learn the Oriental is now considered offensive


A co-worker called me on that one time (he was teasing me when he did it).  I mentioned something about Oriental and his response was "We aren't rugs".   Since then, I've been calling him "Ornamental" and he's been calling me "Inbred, redneck, hillbilly cracker".
 
2013-05-01 08:12:15 AM
Rename them the Redheads. Choose mascots accordingly. Profit.
 
2013-05-01 08:15:23 AM
The only thing more annoying than political correctness is complaining about "the tyranny of political correctness".
 
2013-05-01 08:19:48 AM
It's not like DC has a history of controversial team names or anything like that...
upload.wikimedia.org

But seriously, why not consider renaming the Redskins as the Washington Warriors? Only the name has to change. There can still be a Native American theme, even the logo can still be the same, but they're being "respectful" instead of using a term that is, honestly, blatantly racist.
 
2013-05-01 08:23:50 AM

WTF Indeed: The only thing more annoying than political correctness is complaining about "the tyranny of political correctness".


Those damned tyrants being all nice to their fellow man and all. Far too oppressive if you ask me.
 
2013-05-01 08:28:46 AM
I know!

The Washington Featherheads!

/already trademarked it
//get two bits each time it's used
///slashies
 
2013-05-01 08:31:43 AM

toetag: Tellingthem: I was surprised to learn the Oriental is now considered offensive

A co-worker called me on that one time (he was teasing me when he did it).  I mentioned something about Oriental and his response was "We aren't rugs".   Since then, I've been calling him "Ornamental" and he's been calling me "Inbred, redneck, hillbilly cracker".


I did it once too, but it was entirely occidental.
 
2013-05-01 08:32:39 AM
Being a virginia indian, i have absolutely no problem with it.  Nor do the skins fans in the tribe.  What really confuses me is that the name is a source of pride.  It is a team you support and can get behind.  There is absolutely no intent to be offensive or racist and it shouldn't be taken as such.

The radio around here DC101, has brought up that they were talking about changing it redtails.  You know, i could actually live with that if it did have to change.
 
2013-05-01 08:36:02 AM
Did he tweet about said tyranny while swimming in an indoor pool filled with hundred dollar bills?

OH NOES...you poor widdle thang.

As someone else pointed out, if it were the Washington N*****s, would it still be tyranny to want it changed?  A racist slur is a racist slur.  Either you're against them, or you're a prick.
 
2013-05-01 08:39:00 AM

I_C_Weener: Rename them the Redheads. Choose mascots cheerleaders accordingly. Profit.


FTFY
 
2013-05-01 08:47:54 AM
Lots of sandy vaginas in this thread.

I wish I still had the link but a few years ago a survey was done among Native Americans to see if they were offended by the Redskins name and an overwhelming majority of them could not have cared less.
 
2013-05-01 08:48:01 AM

GiantRex: It's not like DC has a history of controversial team names or anything like that...
[upload.wikimedia.org image 724x308]


To be fair, they were the Baltimore Bullets first.  DC was just too lazy to rename the team

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-05-01 08:51:00 AM

greenboy: Being a virginia indian, i have absolutely no problem with it.  Nor do the skins fans in the tribe.  What really confuses me is that the name is a source of pride.  It is a team you support and can get behind.  There is absolutely no intent to be offensive or racist and it shouldn't be taken as such.

The radio around here DC101, has brought up that they were talking about changing it redtails.  You know, i could actually live with that if it did have to change.


I don't get it, myself. Changing the name comes up every now and then, and every time it does, it's pointed out that the majority of supposedly slighted party either don't mind or actually like the name. Which begs the question that if those against whom it is supposed to be a slur approve, who is it that's pushing for the change?
 
2013-05-01 08:53:02 AM

RINO: greenboy: Being a virginia indian, i have absolutely no problem with it.  Nor do the skins fans in the tribe.  What really confuses me is that the name is a source of pride.  It is a team you support and can get behind.  There is absolutely no intent to be offensive or racist and it shouldn't be taken as such.

The radio around here DC101, has brought up that they were talking about changing it redtails.  You know, i could actually live with that if it did have to change.

I don't get it, myself. Changing the name comes up every now and then, and every time it does, it's pointed out that the majority of supposedly slighted party either don't mind or actually like the name. Which begs the question that if those against whom it is supposed to be a slur approve, who is it that's pushing for the change?


Politicians who want their name in the news.
 
2013-05-01 09:09:30 AM

Gulper Eel: Tellingthem: I was surprised to learn the Oriental is now considered offensive.

It hasn't been the preferred nomenclature for ages.


i289.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-01 09:13:23 AM
Is his tweet referring to something specific? My first thought was he was somehow making a comment on Jason Collins' coming out statement.
 
2013-05-01 09:13:58 AM
Yes, such tyranny.

Political correctness is so tyrannic that Snyder is being forced to change his team name or have the team seized from him.

Oh...you mean that's not what's happening? We're just hearing from people who say the team name is offensive and should be changed, and he's ignoring them?

OMG TYRANNY.

Maybe RGIII should take a trip back to 1950 and try to drink from one of these. Then he might find out what tyranny looks like.

i139.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-01 09:14:03 AM

Gulper Eel: Tellingthem: I was surprised to learn the Oriental is now considered offensive.

It hasn't been the preferred nomenclature for ages.


Farkin' Chinamen.
 
2013-05-01 09:15:28 AM

degenerate-afro: GiantRex: It's not like DC has a history of controversial team names or anything like that...
[upload.wikimedia.org image 724x308]

To be fair, they were the Baltimore Bullets first.  DC was just too lazy to rename the team

[upload.wikimedia.org image 350x253]


Named after sneakers, no less.

img407.imageshack.us
 
2013-05-01 09:16:20 AM

cman: Rincewind53: Somehow I think if the team was called "The Washington Swastikas" he wouldn't be talking about the tyranny of political correctness.

FTFY

Anyways, can anyone explain to me how the term Redskin became racist? It was in regular usage for quite some time and didnt always have those connotations. Indian is still acceptable even though they arent Indians. I never understood how these kinds of pejoratives are formed.

What I have noticed is that pretty much most of them are of Germanic descent (with the big exception of the n-bomb and "negro"). I am curious if that has anything to do with it (the vulgarity of Saxon words over the educated Latin words).


The fact that it was in 'regular usage' by predominately white society doesn't mean it was not and is not derogatory.  Whether or not derogatory terms should be used to make stereotyping statements about individuals or groups is another matter.
 
2013-05-01 09:18:54 AM
And with this comment we now know that RG3 really is a conservative.
 
2013-05-01 09:19:39 AM

roflmaonow: Is his tweet referring to something specific? My first thought was he was somehow making a comment on Jason Collins' coming out statement.


It was quite unclear. Was thinking it was related to Broussard catching hell for his comments - pretty sure RGIII is pretty religious (like virtually everyone in the NFL). But I only know of this from Bomani Jones and his "wish i knew what he was talking about, but hard to talk about the "tyranny" of political correctness while cashing REDSKINS checks, right?"

As others have said, it ain't too tyrannical when you still have this team name out here being racist daily.
 
2013-05-01 09:20:24 AM

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: The fact that it was in 'regular usage' by predominately white society doesn't mean it was not and is not derogatory.  Whether or not derogatory terms should be used to make stereotyping statements about individuals or groups is another matter.


Then there's white society telling a group that it oppressed what it should and shouldn't find offensive.

"'Redskin' is a perfectly cromulent word. You people should just get over it."

"The Confederate flag is part of my heritage that reminds me of my ancestors. You, however, should just forget about your own family history and get over it."
 
2013-05-01 09:22:58 AM

GiantRex: It's not like DC has a history of controversial team names or anything like that...
[upload.wikimedia.org image 724x308]

But seriously, why not consider renaming the Redskins as the Washington Warriors? Only the name has to change. There can still be a Native American theme, even the logo can still be the same, but they're being "respectful" instead of using a term that is, honestly, blatantly racist.


I'm going to make this comment without consulting the irony police, but I think it's hilariously ironic that several years after they change their name, their star player was using his locker as an armory.
 
2013-05-01 09:27:14 AM

Rincewind53: Somehow I think if the team was called "The Washington Negroes" he wouldn't be talking about the tyranny of political correctness.


The Newark Negroes.

/my apologies to Chris Rock (there's a routine he has done about this, but not the word negro)
 
2013-05-01 09:32:10 AM
Somebody didn't think his plan through, but he does have a good point that it has gone a little too far.
 
2013-05-01 09:34:38 AM
Well, his statement isn't exactly wrong.  It's just not going to be well received in this context.
 
2013-05-01 09:36:43 AM

Outrageous Muff: And with this comment we now know that RG3 really is a conservative.


A military brat from Texas is conservative? Fetch my fainting couch and some smelling salts!

I thought we knew it last year when Rob Parker called him a "cornball" because he leans rightward and was engaged to (is married to?) a white woman.
 
2013-05-01 09:39:23 AM
How's about the "Washington Cornball Brothers"?

i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-01 09:46:50 AM
UNC_Samurai:  Perhaps some professional sports teams like the Braves or the Indians might last longer

I don't fully get the angst over the name Braves or Indians (though I can see some of the issues people have with some of those teams' logos); to me they're not much different than something like Knights or Vikings.
 
2013-05-01 09:57:36 AM
Washington Blackskins
 
2013-05-01 09:57:46 AM

cman:
Anyways, can anyone explain to me how the term Redskin became racist? It was in regular usage for quite some time and didnt always have those connotations. Indian is still acceptable even though they arent Indians. I never understood how these kinds of pejoratives are formed.

It's always been racist.  It may not have been considered a put down or taunt where you grew up, but somewhere else in the US, it was.

Tellingthem:
Honestly I really don't know but it doesn't matter because that group of people deems it offensive. Negro and colored used to acceptable as well but not anymore. I was surprised to learn the Oriental is now considered offensive. Especially considering how many businesses in my area still use it in their name. Language changes and words we use today will become derogatory or racist in the future. I think it's funny that my roommate gets pissed when people call him African American. He's from Germany and would rather be called Black (or German-American since he got his citizenship). So to him the "correct" term is offensive and would rather be called by the more incorrect term.

Oriental not being acceptable surprised me too, in college, 25 years ago.   Your German friend is not any kind of American.

Cythraul: Despite the tyranny of political correctness oppressing freedom of speech, this person somehow finds a way to exercise his right to be an asshole. Interesting.


Amazingly, Griffin has managed to be pretty much perfect with PR and public presentations.   Until this.

InfrasonicTom: Well, his statement isn't exactly wrong.  It's just not going to be well received in this context.


It is wrong.   This is not about PC language.  This is about respect.

Outrageous Muff: And with this comment we now know that RG3 really is a conservative.


Touting the party or company line is not conservative necessarily.   It's a way to show loyalty, and in this case, he is expressing a sentiment that will be popular with the bulk of the stupid fanbase.

 
2013-05-01 10:02:07 AM
They will probably do what the bullets did, take a cool name that offended a couple liberal politians and name it something fabulously friendly and gay.
 
2013-05-01 10:10:36 AM
www.allblacksvsengland.com

www.chicagonow.com
 
2013-05-01 10:13:47 AM
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-05-01 10:17:00 AM
Just so I am clear orrupt tribal governments,unemployment, poverty and substance abuse problems and the American Indian and progressive communities big issue is the name of a sports team that is a point of pride not ridcule. At least the priorities are lined up correctly.

The only disgrace involved is by the level of play the Redskins display while callign themselves Redskins. Sort of like how Cowbooys should be upset when Dallas underperforms as usual while calling themselves the Cowboys..
 
2013-05-01 10:25:41 AM

hasty ambush: [www.allblacksvsengland.com image 416x300]

[www.chicagonow.com image 506x296]


Never heard of the second, but the first is the All-Blacks, so named for the incredibly racist reason that their uniforms are all black.

// well, not 100% black, but calling them the "All-Blacks Except for Stripes on Our Socks" would get kind of wordy
// how much more black could they be? Eh, a little...
 
2013-05-01 10:30:44 AM

Rhypskallion: Oriental not being acceptable surprised me too, in college, 25 years ago.   Your German friend is not any kind of American.


Its a funny thing, immigration and names.

The only actual African guy that I personally know is white as a bedsheet and named Gustav. He's a programmer from Pretoria, and he sounds right out of Lethal Weapon 2.

He gets such a kick out of checking 'african american' on surveys and apps and watching the reactions people have. Since he became a naturalized citizen, he and the wife are 'african-americans' and his two kids are americans of african descent.
 
2013-05-01 10:44:33 AM
I read that as a tranny of political correctness
 
2013-05-01 10:44:40 AM

Rhypskallion: Your German friend is not any kind of American.


He's an American by choice. I'm having a hard time reconciling this comment with the rest of your post, which seemed to be thoughtful thoroughly respectful of individual differences.

Did you simply miss the part where it said he was naturalized? Or do you reserve the term "American" for people born in America (in which case, I have to tell you, you're using the word differently from almost everybody else)?
 
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