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(Mashable)   By the time you wake up, Netflix is going to be lighter 2,000 movies in what some are calling STREAMAGEDDON   (mashable.com) divider line 32
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2013-04-30 11:56:42 PM
7 votes:

insano: Naturally, this will be accompanied by an increase in monthly fees for streaming. It's the netflix way!


I'd be OK with an increase in cost if it meant having access to everything, and quicker access to new release stuff.

On the other hand, I do appreciate that Netflix is doing what it can to fight exorbitant licensing fees.

The US could really benefit from universal compulsory licensing - i.e. the rightsholders would have to allow access to their works for a statutorily defined fee to anyone who asks.

The current system just makes piracy very appealing.  No one wants to have to deal with multiple accounts through multiple services just to get access to what they want.  Make it simple and people will buy in - look at the success of iTunes, it has virtually everything, and for many people it's the go-to source for music.  I don't want to juggle accounts with Netflix, Amazon, WB, Sony, and whoever else, I just want to pay one company one amount (even if it's more than the other amounts combined) and be able to have access to everything without a hassle.
2013-05-01 12:46:50 AM
6 votes:
And so it begins - the me-too fracturing of the on-line streaming services. This will mean in the States at least that you'll have 15-20 different companies offering packages that might have some overlapping content, but none will be worth paying full price for because none of them will have everything. Then they'll start buying eachother in order to consolidate.

I'm in Canada. In Canada, in each market, there's a cable provider or a VDSL provider (Shaw Cable, or in other markets, Rogers Cable, or Telus, or Bell) to choose from, and the satellite provider colludes with the cable provider. The price for a standard high def package with about 80 worthless channels(a golf channel? one channel that only shows those stupid 'murder documentary' shows) and a few good ones (SPAAAAACE) is about $120 a month. And if you have cable, you probably have a bandwidth cap of 250 GB/month. And because you only get two choices, there's no real competition, because if you get mad at one, you go to the other, and then get mad at them and go to the other. I'm a bit lucky because i have VDSL delivering TV so bandwidth is not capped not monitored because it has to allow for the TV shows to get through.

The same problem plagues our cell phone spectrum. You have Bell, Telus, and Rogers, and they own all of the little wireless companies so you might see ads for "Koodo" but it's really just Telus under another name. I pay $60 a month for 500 mb of data and 250 minutes + unltd eve/wknd, and visual voicemail (iPhone). The cost is pretty much identical with whichever you choose, and the service is just as shiat.

You notice how three of the above companies are both the keepers of the wireless spectrum and providers of home cable? (And of course, the odd man out, Shaw, colludes with Rogers anyhow, so much so that they swapped markets like putting on a pair of pants), You can't farking escape them. You have to go and bend over and get farked by at least one of these companies every month.

So here's Netflix Canada, which is streaming only, provides a pathetically small collection of shows next to its US counterpart (partially because when a broadcast company has the rights to air a show, that includes internet and everything else, and ties it up for years). But it's still awesome. I'm always kinda mad at it, but always happy to have it. It's the only real 'pay for unlimited shows' provider in Canada, because Amazon, Hulu, none of them give two shiats about getting tangled in our mess. Now that Bell wants to put its shows on its own 'pay for shows' streaming provider, I'm sure Netflix will lose a lot of its content. And Bell will probably want to charge premium amounts or force advertising in it, because they know they can fark us again and again and again, and we can't leave. Then will come the others and sooner or later it's just like regular cable TV again.

My point is this: I hope Netflix eats the other guys for lunch and then kicks them in the testicles hard. Keep up the fight - you'll still get my $8 a month.
2013-05-01 12:50:18 AM
5 votes:
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2013-05-01 02:05:21 AM
3 votes:
No biggie. This is where sticking to Netflix and ignoring the various other services popping up solely to pitch a single company's media IP pays off. Later, when Warner doesn't realize the profits they expect to reap by dumping Netflix and pushing their own, more expensive, more limited service, Netflix can wait for them to catch a clue, come back, and negotiate a more favorable contract.
2013-05-01 01:26:06 AM
3 votes:
It'll be awesome when every content producer holds onto all their own stuff, exclusively for their own overpriced Netflix-like service, and they all go bankrupt while wondering why they have no subscribers.

/just like EA pulling all of their games from Steam to make them Origin exclusive, and subsequently having a terrible financial year and firing their CEO
2013-05-01 01:12:34 AM
3 votes:

frostus: It's not like their streaming selection is all that great to start with.


As someone who has watched all of Blackadder and Futurama and most of Cheers and The Office (UK) through Netflix streaming, I declare you to be talking out of your ass.
2013-05-01 12:10:45 AM
3 votes:

Mugato: A little warning would have been nice. The list of movies isn't coming up. Going to bed anyway. Dicks.


There is a chance that they thought a deal would have been reached instead of this.

That is most likely why they never issued a warning; it was not suppose (supposed?) to happen.
2013-05-01 12:08:30 AM
3 votes:

Mugato: A little warning would have been nice. The list of movies isn't coming up. Going to bed anyway. Dicks.


Blame WB, they're the ones that pulled it to promote their own streaming service.
2013-05-01 01:25:46 AM
2 votes:

B.L.Z. Bub: frostus: It's not like their streaming selection is all that great to start with.

As someone who has watched all of Blackadder and Futurama and most of Cheers and The Office (UK) through Netflix streaming, I declare you to be talking out of your ass.


They recently got Justice League and JL: Unlimited streaming as well. Netflix will continue to siphon money from my wallet if they keep adding titles like that....
2013-05-01 01:01:53 AM
2 votes:
It's not like their streaming selection is all that great to start with.
2013-05-01 12:21:31 AM
2 votes:
My issue is that Amazon Prime is about to lose all the MST3K episodes.
2013-05-01 12:19:08 AM
2 votes:

insano: Naturally, this will be accompanied by an increase in monthly fees for streaming. It's the netflix way!


huh. my bill for streaming hasn't increased since....ever.
2013-05-01 04:51:43 PM
1 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: I'd be OK with an increase in cost if it meant having access to everything, and quicker access to new release stuff.


You're the reason why networks keep nad-squeezing the cable companies for more money every year, all our cable bills are going up, and there is nothing on but "Here Comes Honey Boo Boo Child".
2013-05-01 10:26:18 AM
1 votes:

insano: log_jammin: insano: Naturally, this will be accompanied by an increase in monthly fees for streaming. It's the netflix way!

huh. my bill for streaming hasn't increased since....ever.

When Netflix started charging separate fees for streaming and dvd rental and changing their subscription plans, they ipso facto raised prices on many of their customers. They did this without offering concurrent increases in the services they offered. In fact, they lost quite a bit of content around the same time if I remember correctly. This may not have affected you but it pissed off a lot of their customers. How soon we forget.


True, but that was one price increase (a whopping 9-10% for me).  In spite of your insinuation to the contrary, Netflix has removed titles from their streaming selection numerous times over the years without raising their fees. I've used them for over a decade and they have been very price stable.  I'm assuming you are not an Netflix customer or you would know this.
2013-05-01 10:14:24 AM
1 votes:

frostus: frostus: Not really. I said movies I want to watch. I could care less about your queue.

Couldn't care less. Stupid work makes typos appear on my keyboard.


Makes you appear to be an asshole too, but something tells me that has nothing to do with work.
2013-05-01 10:01:53 AM
1 votes:
Yes, WB, consumers are just dying to add another $10 a month plan to their bills for your service that will have less options than Netflix. Remind me again why these guys get paid more than the average idiot.
2013-05-01 09:33:19 AM
1 votes:
Still better than cable.
2013-05-01 08:29:04 AM
1 votes:
It's absurd that movies made in the 40s-60s are still under copyright.
kab
2013-05-01 08:22:05 AM
1 votes:

B.L.Z. Bub: I think I've made my point.


You've made your point until you watch all those, and you may find yourself in the same boat as other folks here, who say "wow, the streaming queue is rather limited."

Anecdotal satisfaction with such services is kind of pointless, and frankly, Netflix should be looking at expanding their selection, not removing more than they're adding... even if it's stuff that few watch.

insano: Naturally, this will be accompanied by an increase in monthly fees for streaming. It's the netflix way!


It'd be more accurate to say that service providers will start charging per gb, since they're already bemoaning how much bandwidth Netflix users take up.

/welcome to the cloud.
2013-05-01 08:15:21 AM
1 votes:
*checks my instant queue*

Kids shows still there? Check.

40+ Anime I haven't watched yet? Check.

TV shows from Sherlock to 24 to Battlestar Gallactica? Check.

The L Word, Tender is the Heart,  Lake Consequence and Exterminating Angles rto fap to? Check.

My Instant queue surived just fine.
2013-05-01 03:03:57 AM
1 votes:
Glorious Pirating Master Race will continue to thrive when content is segregated this way. It will basically become Cable on the compy.
2013-05-01 02:58:50 AM
1 votes:

frostus: B.L.Z. Bub: frostus: B.L.Z. Bub: frostus: It's not like their streaming selection is all that great to start with.

As someone who has watched all of Blackadder and Futurama and most of Cheers and The Office (UK) through Netflix streaming, I declare you to be talking out of your ass.

I don't watch TV on Netflix, I'm talking movies. And their streaming movie selection kinda blows which is why I have both DVD and streaming.

Some of the movies I'm losing from my queue tomorrow:

Snatch
Adaptation
Legends of the Fall
The Last Man on Earth
The Lady Vanishes

I haven't seen any of these, but I heard good things about them. Some more in my queue that will remain for now:

The King's Speech
Let the Right One In
Gosford Park
Oldboy
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
The Hunt for Red October
Four Rooms
Trainspotting
Reservoir Dogs
Jackie Brown
Sling Blade
Good Will Hunting
Glengarry Glen Ross
Being John Malkovich
The Last of the Mohicans
Terminator 2
The Crow
The Naked Gun
Raising Arizona
Planes, Trains and Automobiles
Trading Places
Coming to America
Beverly Hills Cop
The Untouchables
Highlander

I think I've made my point.

Not really. I said movies I want to watch. I could care less about your queue.


No you didn't. You said nothing about your personal idiosyncratic preferences. You made a sweeping generalization about their quality of movies as if you were making a statement of fact that applied to the general movie-watching audience (i.e., an objective evaluation), so I countered with a list of movies that many people enjoy and rate highly. It's impossible, of course, for me to argue with someone about their personal tastes, but I was not aware that was what we were arguing about. Cock.
2013-05-01 02:39:48 AM
1 votes:
Hmm, choices, choices.

One or two services (Netflix or Prime come to mind) that give me easy access to what I want to watch when I want on my schedule for one low price or

Multiple services that ask for extra user authentication, cost more than prior services, and deliver an even more erratic selection based on what they feel like releasing.

What to choose.
2013-05-01 02:32:03 AM
1 votes:

doglover: log_jammin: My issue is that Amazon Prime is about to lose all the MST3K episodes.

Do you even youtube?


Bro?
2013-05-01 02:07:16 AM
1 votes:

doglover: log_jammin: My issue is that Amazon Prime is about to lose all the MST3K episodes.

Do you even youtube?




Youtube is shiat on Verizon Fiber. Since February. Really bad the last month.
2013-05-01 01:47:48 AM
1 votes:
We just moved from Chicago to California. I've decided to pass on Cable for now and try the streaming services.

I signed up for Hulu+ initially so I could watch all seasons of "The Shield". Now I've found we can watch our shows the day after. Since my wife never realized what days our shows were on, it works out fine.

But the overlap between Hulu/Prime/Netflix makes me wonder which service we should be dropping.
2013-05-01 01:36:13 AM
1 votes:
csb...

My parents have a streaming Netflix account and I "piggyback" on theirs. Not long after they started, my dad asked me if I knew how to delete the most recently watched movies. I asked him for his ipad to see if I could figure it out. It turns out that my dad likes watching more adult-oriented movies that have sexy women on the cover, and he didn't want my mom to be bugging him about it. I tried for a while and could never figure out how to get the most recently watched movies to disappear off the list.

So several weeks ago, I was having dinner at my parents home. After dinner, we were talking about Netflix and my mom made a joke about me watching a lot of "sexy movies" because she saw them on the recently watched list. (fwiw, I have never watched a sexy movie on Netflix) I looked at my dad and he was giving me an embarrassed smile, so I took the bullet for him by making a joke about "I watch those kinds of movies because of the great dialog". As I was leaving their house, my dad quietly told me, "Thanks." I told him, "Hey, I'm married too so I understand." It was kind of a cool bonding moment.
2013-05-01 01:32:01 AM
1 votes:
Apparently Netflix is putting all of its hopes on the awesome drawing power of last year's episodes of popular television shows. Shows, of course, that were free to watch when originally aired.
2013-05-01 01:24:50 AM
1 votes:
"We are selective about what's available to watch on Netflix. We often license TV shows and movies on an exclusive basis, so we can provide a unique experience. We'll forego, or choose not renew, titles that aren't watched enough. We always use our knowledge about what our members love to watch to decide what's available on Netflix. Our goal is to be an expert programmer, offering a mix that delights our members, rather than trying to be a broad distributor."

Note to suit:  Your movie selection delights no one.

If this is your goal, you are not reaching your goal.

/ TV is good though.  well worth it for someone who is awake by himself on his off days waiting for his wife to wake up.
2013-05-01 01:20:29 AM
1 votes:
Meh. When something gets taken off, I'll just look for something else that I've been meaning to get to. Been watching The League lately. That show is just way too damn funny.
2013-05-01 01:08:31 AM
1 votes:

insano: log_jammin: insano: Naturally, this will be accompanied by an increase in monthly fees for streaming. It's the netflix way!

huh. my bill for streaming hasn't increased since....ever.

When Netflix started charging separate fees for streaming and dvd rental and changing their subscription plans, they ipso facto raised prices on many of their customers. They did this without offering concurrent increases in the services they offered. In fact, they lost quite a bit of content around the same time if I remember correctly. This may not have affected you but it pissed off a lot of their customers. How soon we forget.


Didn't the increase in service happen when they added their streaming service to begin with? I wasn't using Netflix then so I don't know, but did everyone get an increased fee when streaming was first added? If not, then everyone who was already signed up basically got a free ride for streaming and had no right to complain when streaming was later charged separately. A low fee for both streaming and DVDs is too good a deal to make sound economic sense, you should have better sense than to expect that.

/What am I saying, expecting sound economic sense from a Farker
2013-05-01 12:55:19 AM
1 votes:
Netflix's streaming service is awful. The DVD by mail system is slow, but offers a far, far, far better selection.
 
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