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(CBC)   Canadian police bust $500k a week bootleg DVD operation. In other news, people are still buying DVDs   (cbc.ca) divider line 91
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2013-05-01 12:04:17 AM
.Yeah... idiots.

They should be watching shiatty quality streaming shows that eat up bandwidth like a civilized person.
 
2013-05-01 12:45:59 AM
Meh!  I'm still happily using my VCR.  I prefer to stick with tried and true technologies.  New innovations are unreliable.
 
2013-05-01 12:57:40 AM
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2013-05-01 04:27:03 AM
What's wrong with buying DVDs?  I watch movies at home, so I'm not concerned with portability.
 
2013-05-01 04:39:08 AM
I don't understand the headline. Is Subby so shallow and meaninglessly competitive that he/she has to immediately jump on the newest way of doing something and shun all others?
 
2013-05-01 04:46:47 AM
Check location- yep, Oakville. Highest average income, highest home prices, and more white-collar crooks per capita than any other location in Southern Ontario, if not Canada.
 
2013-05-01 04:48:40 AM

Bucky Katt: Meh!  I'm still happily using my VCR.  I prefer to stick with tried and true technologies.  New innovations are unreliable.


Recently saw an old college friend from the mid-90s. We got high and over the weekend watched what might be the most epic Simpsons VHS collection known to exist in the wild. Many of them taped from original broadcast, which means original commercials. For two stoned guys eating Fritos scoops with whatever sauce/dressing was in the house and drinking warm Budweiser. it was a great weekend.

/yes, I know you were kidding, but still
 
2013-05-01 04:52:23 AM

FirstNationalBastard: .Yeah... idiots.

They should be watching shiatty quality streaming shows that eat up bandwidth like a civilized person.


Consumers have already accepted that blu-ray is far superior and that it is highly affordable. That being said, it is really laughable how almost every household owns a flat screen HD TV these days yet most of them watch nothing but cable television and DVDs.
 
2013-05-01 04:53:19 AM
Crime doesn't pay? What?
 
2013-05-01 05:00:15 AM

Fallout Boy: FirstNationalBastard: .Yeah... idiots.

They should be watching shiatty quality streaming shows that eat up bandwidth like a civilized person.

Consumers have already accepted that blu-ray is far superior and that it is highly affordable. That being said, it is really laughable how almost every household owns a flat screen HD TV these days yet most of them watch nothing but cable television and DVDs.


America needs glasses.

Or they need to hook up the blu-ray to the flatscreen with HDMI rather than composite video.
 
2013-05-01 05:03:58 AM

Fallout Boy: FirstNationalBastard: .Yeah... idiots.

They should be watching shiatty quality streaming shows that eat up bandwidth like a civilized person.

Consumers have already accepted that blu-ray is far superior and that it is highly affordable. That being said, it is really laughable how almost every household owns a flat screen HD TV these days yet most of them watch nothing but cable television and DVDs.


I have a 36" SD CRT with a Blu-ray player and plenty of regular and 3D Blu-rays waiting on that next infusion of expendable cash.....
 
2013-05-01 05:10:51 AM
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2013-05-01 05:11:45 AM

pecosdave: 3D Blu-rays


How do you fit them in the slot?
 
2013-05-01 05:16:32 AM
Ooh, i'll take the Director's Cut of Blade Runner, and... Robocop 2.
 
2013-05-01 05:33:32 AM
Works in Indonesia so is getting a kick... I don't know how many VCDs I have I go by the Kilo now.
 
2013-05-01 05:40:54 AM
Why wouldn't people be buying DVD's? If you actually want to own and control a product, buying it seems to be the way to go.
 
2013-05-01 05:41:45 AM
Investigators say consumers had ordered DVD television series box sets from a seemingly legitimate manufacturer's website but received counterfeit merchandise of inferior quality.

I thought one of the biggest talking points about piracy was how the pirate's products were superior to the MPAA's ones?
 
2013-05-01 05:46:47 AM
That's almost as impressive as the largest police bust in Canada...

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2013-05-01 05:48:30 AM
The carriers here in Canada are basically three monopolies..they charge exorbitant bandwidth fees for Internet over a paltry 25 MB/month, so you either use their (expensive) entertainment options  or use DVD because it costs way to much to watch over the net.  And they give the government campaign contributions bribes and have high-powered lobbyists to keep it that way.

Greedy bastards.
 
2013-05-01 05:49:59 AM
I quite often flip between HD and non-HD versions of the same broadcast and I've got to say - HD is no more immersive than non-HD. You can see the extra detail but who needs to see the weave of someone's clothes to be immersed in a drama? On a 72" screen it'll make a difference, but at 38" it's irrelevant.

HD fetishists are the new audiophiles.
 
2013-05-01 05:50:16 AM

Day_Old_Dutchie: The carriers here in Canada are basically three monopolies..they charge exorbitant bandwidth fees for Internet over a paltry 25 MB/month, so you either use their (expensive) entertainment options  or use DVD because it costs way to much to watch over the net.  And they give the government campaign contributions bribes and have high-powered lobbyists to keep it that way.

Greedy bastards.


Teksavvy.
 
2013-05-01 06:15:49 AM
They have DVDs in Canada?
 
2013-05-01 06:16:22 AM
Sure, Blu-Ray quality is great. But have you ripped one to storage lately? DVD MPG quality is plenty good enough on smaller screens  and when ripped to storage in mp4 format becomes highly portable. I have gobs of legally purchased DVDs ripped to MP4 format on the home NAS. I don't access them over the web, my ISP is a joke...I move em back and forth between storage and tablet as I choose. The denser data on the Blue-Ray format means longer rip times, greater storage requirements, and no real benefit in portability as they need to be MP4 for the tablet anyways.

/I'll be 54 this year.
//Get the fark off my lawn
///meh, purists
 
2013-05-01 06:16:42 AM
Sigh.  The bootleggers were stupid in that they were selling clearly burned dvds and pawning them off as legitimate.  They were NOT making $500,000 a week.  And their $500,000 in "inventory" was likely highly inflated.  This bust is an absolute joke in that eBay is totally rife with near perfect cd and dvd box set counterfeits from China. 

Look up "The Sopranos" dvd box set.  Mostly all of the Sopranos sets are counterfeit.  How can you tell?  If the price is lower than Amazon/Walmart and the seller is selling multiple sets that's the catch.  Also, check the seller's feedback and specifically click on the negative/neutral feedback to see if anyone's recently left negative feedback stating that they purchased bootlegs from the seller.  I just looked up a seller with 13,000 feedback that sells truck parts or something like that, but just now started selling dvd box sets.

There's sites online where you can buy these near perfect counterfeit sets for cheap in bulk and then resell them on eBay or at a flea market.  It's almost impossible to spot the difference in these pirated versions.  Some even perfectly duplicate all of the materials in the set, like Seinfeld's coffee table book for the Seinfeld box set.

It's cheap, easy, and fast money.  However, it's generally a Felony since the threshold for a Felony count is so low, and the prosecutors go off of the full retail value when calculating charges.

And everyone eventually gets caught because there's no way to sell online without a money trail. 

It's not the Feds either cracking down, the states are trying to get some of the money from the Feds and have setup IP taskforces locally.  MS just sentenced some poor dude to 15 years for selling bootlegs.  15 years, man!  Bank robbers, murderers, and Jon Corzines get off with less time.

http://rt.com/usa/king-couinterfeit-selling-ip-630/
 
2013-05-01 06:16:45 AM

BumpInTheNight: I thought one of the biggest talking points about piracy was how the pirate's products were superior to the MPAA's ones?


I think those "talking points" would be referring to free downloads, not fraudulent commercial duplication for a profit.
 
2013-05-01 06:29:12 AM

Bucky Katt: Meh!  I'm still happily using my VCR.  I prefer to stick with tried and true technologies.  New innovations are unreliable.


I just don't get why I should use up all the badwidth on my computer when I have a hard copy of the movies and shows i like that don't take up much space and are readily available whenever there's a disruption in net service.

The "People still buy DVDs?" crowd are only a few rungs higher than the "I don't own a TV" crowd.
 
2013-05-01 06:36:25 AM

MadAzza: I don't understand the headline. Is Subby so shallow and meaninglessly competitive that he/she has to immediately jump on the newest way of doing something and shun all others?


is to appease the people still use cash? / people still write checks? / people still read newpapers? shiatheads
 
2013-05-01 06:46:26 AM

Bucky Katt: Meh!  I'm still happily using my VCR.  I prefer to stick with tried and true technologies.  New innovations are unreliable.


I like my VCR. It automatically skips commercials.
 
2013-05-01 06:48:26 AM

gwowen: I quite often flip between HD and non-HD versions of the same broadcast and I've got to say - HD is no more immersive than non-HD. You can see the extra detail but who needs to see the weave of someone's clothes to be immersed in a drama? On a 72" screen it'll make a difference, but at 38" it's irrelevant.


i won't choose what to watch based on if its HD or not, but HD is definitely nice, especially for sports where you can really see what the hell is happening on a nice wide shot of the field/action.
Whether the screen size matters depends on how far you are from it.  People complain about SD in 4" youtube videos.

HD fetishists are the new audiophiles.

Ah, come on.  You admit you can see a difference, and I should hope you characterize HD as 'better' even if you consider it irrelevant.  Audiophiles either (1) think distorted sound is 'better', like the vinyl or tube lovers, or (2) convince themselves that utterly impossible things make a difference, like rocks holding up their speaker cables.

Just wait until 2160p content is widely available for the home if you want to see the rise of the true videophile.
 
2013-05-01 06:51:03 AM

evil saltine: pecosdave: 3D Blu-rays

How do you fit them in the slot?


You let the Blu-ray make it's own slot.

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2013-05-01 07:06:48 AM

Fallout Boy: FirstNationalBastard: .Yeah... idiots.

They should be watching shiatty quality streaming shows that eat up bandwidth like a civilized person.

Consumers have already accepted that blu-ray is far superior and that it is highly affordable. That being said, it is really laughable how almost every household owns a flat screen HD TV these days yet most of them watch nothing but cable television and DVDs.


i love my netflix and blu rays, but ill buy *cheap* DVDs sometimes. usually stuff for the kids since they dont care, and since its faster to rip/convert so i can put it on a tablet for the car trips. tablets are the best kid travel invention ever.
 
2013-05-01 07:11:19 AM

Bacontastesgood: gwowen: I quite often flip between HD and non-HD versions of the same broadcast and I've got to say - HD is no more immersive than non-HD. You can see the extra detail but who needs to see the weave of someone's clothes to be immersed in a drama? On a 72" screen it'll make a difference, but at 38" it's irrelevant.

i won't choose what to watch based on if its HD or not, but HD is definitely nice, especially for sports where you can really see what the hell is happening on a nice wide shot of the field/action.
Whether the screen size matters depends on how far you are from it.  People complain about SD in 4" youtube videos.

HD fetishists are the new audiophiles.

Ah, come on.  You admit you can see a difference, and I should hope you characterize HD as 'better' even if you consider it irrelevant.  Audiophiles either (1) think distorted sound is 'better', like the vinyl or tube lovers, or (2) convince themselves that utterly impossible things make a difference, like rocks holding up their speaker cables.

Just wait until 2160p content is widely available for the home if you want to see the rise of the true videophile.


If something is irrelevant, I think it's hard to justify calling it better.  Why pay $10 more for a disc I can't watch if my network is down (a friends router died when we wanted to watch the new Spiderman on Blueray) for an increase in detail I truly don't care about?  A crappy book on nice paper is still a crappy book.   The only value I personally see to Blueray discs is having more episodes of a show on a single disc but that's a moot point when talking about movies.  Not to mention that Blueray players, while cheaper now, are still more expensive than the now ubiquitous DVD players.
 
2013-05-01 07:22:41 AM
DVDs are nice and cheap, and that's the format most Korean dramas come in, so that's what I buy when I don't want to stream something.

Even DVDs look gorgeous on my nice television.  Also, it's nice not to be interrupted by commercials or by buffering.
 
2013-05-01 07:29:54 AM
Those estimates are based on MPAA calculations, they actually just sold 5 copies.
 
2013-05-01 07:32:19 AM
and sorry but some of us have really nice systems and despise two channel stereo when 5.1 or higher is available. The "HD" quality for most streaming is below SD quality for DVD.
 
2013-05-01 07:32:41 AM
When I was in Kuwait and Iraq, they pirated the hell out of movies there. Hell, we occasionaly even got movies as they were in the theaters or even before they hit. Often times the new stuff was from some guy in the theater with a camcorder (which heads in the way and people talking) Sometimes the older ones where really shiatty quality and sometimes started late or cut off the end. Most where average quality but with eveything but the movie stripped from the disc so they could cram two or more movies on it. But a large portion of them were straight copies with special features and full quality. All for 5 bucks each.

Sure the money was probably going to the same guys who were trying to kill us, but our entertainment options were very limited.
 
2013-05-01 07:36:45 AM
put me in the group that still buys dvds as well.  i don't own a bluray player and i don't see any reason to buy one, since they still sell dvds of every single movie release.  i usually torrent movies first to see if i like them, and then i'll buy the dvd if the movie is good.  once they stop selling dvds at all and switch solely to bluray, i'll probably stop buying physical media altogether and stick with downloading my movies and burning them to dvd.
 
2013-05-01 07:45:44 AM
*reads TFA to make sure it's not my sister-in-law's creepy boyfriend who is constantly trying to sell us bootleg DVD's of really shiatty movies at family gatherings*

Nope, not this time!
 
2013-05-01 07:46:06 AM

illannoyin: That's almost as impressive as the largest police bust in Canada...

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"Well... it's very impressive, yes, but we need to ask you a few questions. "
 
2013-05-01 08:00:42 AM
Uhhh... is subby from some future time when you can see any movie anytime you want on the internet? As far as I know we only get a few, rather crappy, movies available at any time. If you are stupid enough to use Apple you STILL have to pay to see it AND wait hours for the stupid thing to download. Seriously, WTF is wrong with Apple users?
 
2013-05-01 08:03:09 AM

Fallout Boy: FirstNationalBastard: .Yeah... idiots.

They should be watching shiatty quality streaming shows that eat up bandwidth like a civilized person.

Consumers have already accepted that blu-ray is far superior and that it is highly affordable. That being said, it is really laughable how almost every household owns a flat screen HD TV these days yet most of them watch nothing but cable television and DVDs.


I plan on buying a blue ray player... as soon as my dvd player breaks down... unless some other dumbass thing is cool by then.
 
2013-05-01 08:04:52 AM

MythDragon: When I was in Kuwait and Iraq, they pirated the hell out of movies there. Hell, we occasionaly even got movies as they were in the theaters or even before they hit. Often times the new stuff was from some guy in the theater with a camcorder (which heads in the way and people talking) Sometimes the older ones where really shiatty quality and sometimes started late or cut off the end. Most where average quality but with eveything but the movie stripped from the disc so they could cram two or more movies on it. But a large portion of them were straight copies with special features and full quality. All for 5 bucks each.

Sure the money was probably going to the same guys who were trying to kill us, but our entertainment options were very limited.


That was all deployments. The Afghan market sold buckts of that stuff, and we had a hard time explaining to the boys that this stuff had to stay in-country because importing it was a crime and in the off chance you got a customs guy who was in the mood to search a returning soldier (I've heard they exist but I've never seen one) the fines would really suck.
 
2013-05-01 08:16:00 AM

pecosdave: Fallout Boy: FirstNationalBastard: .Yeah... idiots.

They should be watching shiatty quality streaming shows that eat up bandwidth like a civilized person.

Consumers have already accepted that blu-ray is far superior and that it is highly affordable. That being said, it is really laughable how almost every household owns a flat screen HD TV these days yet most of them watch nothing but cable television and DVDs.

I have a 36" SD CRT with a Blu-ray player and plenty of regular and 3D Blu-rays waiting on that next infusion of expendable cash.....


honestly, bros, 720p is good enough for me!

/55" 1080 LCD less than 4 ft from the couch.

dickfreckle: /yes, I know you were kidding, but still


I hope y'all were vaping, but aside from that critique, sounds like a blast.
 
2013-05-01 08:17:07 AM
Though I'm pretty sure Subby was trollin' in the headline. . .

There are plenty of reasons to still buy DVD's.

Yeah, I stream some things.  I've got a Netflix subscription.  It's nice, but far from perfect.  There are massive gaps in what you can find in any streaming service, thanks to licensing issues, even if you subscribed to Hulu, Netflix, Amazon Prime and who knows what else.

Also, streaming is reliant on having a working net connection.  Just like anything else "in the cloud".  If you're travelling to a place where you can't be assured of a good broadband internet connection, streaming is a waste.

Furthermore, streaming is all subscription based.  Don't keep paying that money each month?  The show goes away.  Should the service ever go out of business, it all vanishes.

Yet more, even if the show/movie you like is on a streaming service, it might go away at any time thanks to the vagaries of licensing.  My kid has discovered this, when his favorite show on Netflix went away because the license ran out.

As opposed to DVD. . .where you buy the disc once, and never have to worry about a bad internet connection, or paying a monthly subscription, and far more movies are available.

Netflix et al. is nice for what it is, but there is no way I'll give up my DVD collection for some streaming video service.
 
2013-05-01 08:25:11 AM

gwowen:HD is no more immersive than non-HD. On a 72" screen it'll make a difference, but at 38" it's irrelevant.

X-boxershorts: DVD MPG quality is plenty good enough on smaller screens....


Some people have larger screens because
a) they're cheap nowadays
b) the shows worth watching are available in HD if you just wait until they're released on Netflix (bonus:  no commercials)
c) "streaming quality sucks" is not a reason to justify your crappy TV
d) your crappy TV is not a reason to justify crappy quality of what you're watching

If you're content watching low def on your 32" tv or your damn phone, more power to you.  Just stay off my bandwidth, I need that for work.
 
2013-05-01 08:26:19 AM
I still buy....although not as much as I use to. May be buying a new Hiromi (jazz pianist) concert DVD in a matter of days.

Also I am tired of where its all gone. Even with some games you don;t get a disc...actual disc anymore. I still pay the same price though and then have tpo take hours downloading it. Hate it.
 
2013-05-01 08:40:18 AM

Fallout Boy: FirstNationalBastard: .Yeah... idiots.

They should be watching shiatty quality streaming shows that eat up bandwidth like a civilized person.

Consumers have already accepted that blu-ray is far superior and that it is highly affordable. That being said, it is really laughable how almost every household owns a flat screen HD TV these days yet most of them watch nothing but cable television and DVDs.


Far superior maybe (depends on the movie), but it took a couple of years to get the Blu-Ray down in price, and even then 9/10 computers still don't have a native drive for it. I'm like this: Why buy Blu-Ray for $30+ if it doesn't have 3D, when I can buy DVD for $15? All I gain is a little quality on newer releases, while losing some portability.

/now if Blu-Ray was cheaper...
 
2013-05-01 08:43:30 AM

Silverstaff: Though I'm pretty sure Subby was trollin' in the headline. . .

There are plenty of reasons to still buy DVD's.

Yeah, I stream some things.  I've got a Netflix subscription.  It's nice, but far from perfect.  There are massive gaps in what you can find in any streaming service, thanks to licensing issues, even if you subscribed to Hulu, Netflix, Amazon Prime and who knows what else.

Also, streaming is reliant on having a working net connection.  Just like anything else "in the cloud".  If you're travelling to a place where you can't be assured of a good broadband internet connection, streaming is a waste.

Furthermore, streaming is all subscription based.  Don't keep paying that money each month?  The show goes away.  Should the service ever go out of business, it all vanishes.

Yet more, even if the show/movie you like is on a streaming service, it might go away at any time thanks to the vagaries of licensing.  My kid has discovered this, when his favorite show on Netflix went away because the license ran out.

As opposed to DVD. . .where you buy the disc once, and never have to worry about a bad internet connection, or paying a monthly subscription, and far more movies are available.

Netflix et al. is nice for what it is, but there is no way I'll give up my DVD collection for some streaming video service.


You ought to do like me, rip the movie to another format after you buy it. That way if the company dies, your collection doesn't ;)

/save for Netflix, but they're working on it.
//most of my video collection is from Netflix queue.
 
2013-05-01 08:57:47 AM
I always tell people who don't have Blu-ray not to worry about having or needing to upgrade. I recently switched to BRs myself and am loving it. I have about 70 BRs already in a span of 2 months. My avg spending for each BR came out to $5 per disc. I keep looking out for deals, buy used 'like new' copies from ebay, amazon, best buy etc... My bluray player itself is an older Samsung D5900 I bought refurb for $30.

Heck Best Buy has a great DVD trade in program running right now where you hand in your old DVD (It can be ANY non XXX rated DVD) and they give you a $5 off coupon towards any BR in the store. The kicker is they have tons of BRs on sale right that are $10. so you can essentially buy BRs for $5 right now. I love picking up the triple or double BR editions for around $10 or so, they are the best value for money.

Also bought the Tarantino XX set for $30 from amazon warehouse, the Nolan set for $20 on ebay. They all look just like new maybe were used once. They dont come in a shrinkwrap, other than that there is no way of telling if they're used.

I typically rip my BRs (15-20 mins) on to my hard drive. Then transcode them using Handbrake to smaller files (60 mins usually) I stream those smaller files using Plex on my Roku 2 XS and I'm all set. My wife was very weary of getting a Roku or a BR player etc.. but now she loves it and is a big fan. It's not really that hard to do and the price is almost the same in terms of buying DVDs for me.

I can understand that it looks like a lot of work for some but believe me it's only the initial setup and tweaking that takes a while, otherwise its smooth sailing.
 
2013-05-01 09:14:07 AM

enderthexenocide: put me in the group that still buys dvds as well.  i don't own a bluray player and i don't see any reason to buy one, since they still sell dvds of every single movie release.  i usually torrent movies first to see if i like them, and then i'll buy the dvd if the movie is good.  once they stop selling dvds at all and switch solely to bluray, i'll probably stop buying physical media altogether and stick with downloading my movies and burning them to dvd.


Same here.  I'm often an early adopter of technology and I don't have a Blu-Ray player.  I bought my first DVD player in 1997 and have around 550 DVDs.  While the improvement in image quality was certainly important transitioning from VHS to DVD, the biggest attractions to me were seeing the movies in the correct aspect ratios and the CD quality multi-channel audio.  (I never got into laserdisc due to movies needing multiple discs.)   Going from VHS to DVD corrected fundamental flaws for proper home theater viewing whereas going from DVD to Blu-Ray was and still is just a refinement of what is already a perfectly acceptable product on all but the largest screens.   Plus, backing up a collection onto the computer for safekeeping or streaming over the home network or portable viewing is obviously quicker when you are starting out with a DVD than a Blu-Ray and requires less storage space.
 
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