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2013-04-30 08:44:25 PM  
Yes, because if you're not eating meat at every single meal, you're going to stunt your growth.
 
2013-04-30 09:07:03 PM  

RodneyToady: Yes, because if you're not eating meat at every single meal, you're going to stunt your growth.


Children need more fat and complete proteins than adults do. Ideally, they should be having both at every meal
 
2013-04-30 09:25:37 PM  
The problem with the proper vegetarian diet isn't that it lacks in any way the necessities of life. And skipping meat once a day never hurt anyone.

The main problem, and the reason vegans should be unwelcome in your home, even as emissaries of a friendly king, is that VEGETABLES ARE NOT MEAT AND YOU CAN'T SUBSTITUTE THEM FOR IT NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO YOU STUPID farkING ASSHOLES!
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-04-30 09:29:56 PM  
Wow! There's some powerful derp here.

I an not a herbivore, but I know enough about nutrition to know that you can get all the protein and fat you need from plants.  You may not enjoy it, but it can be done.
 
2013-04-30 10:00:15 PM  
Don't like the school's menu? Send your kid to school with his lunch (a sloppy joe, hamburger, hot dogs).

/and don't forget the occasional PBJ to thin the herd
 
2013-05-01 12:55:38 AM  
the meat myth strikes again
 
2013-05-01 01:10:14 AM  
It's a vegetarian menu, folks, not vegan. And since it includes cheese, and school lunch programs generally require milk to be offered to the students, it's likely a lacto-ovo vegetarian menu. That means dairy & eggs will be used.
 
2013-05-01 01:37:36 AM  
Milk. Cheese. Grain and beans. There's your complete protein
 
2013-05-01 01:39:21 AM  

doglover: The problem with the proper vegetarian diet isn't that it lacks in any way the necessities of life. And skipping meat once a day never hurt anyone.

The main problem, and the reason vegans should be unwelcome in your home, even as emissaries of a friendly king, is that VEGETABLES ARE NOT MEAT AND YOU CAN'T SUBSTITUTE THEM FOR IT NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO YOU STUPID farkING ASSHOLES!


The problem with a proper vegetarian diet is that 99.5% of elementary school kids wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot hot dog. All this means is more school lunches in the trash can, and more kids eating Extra-Spicy Cheetohs and Gatorade for lunch. But hey, keep on trying to promote those healthful eating habits.
 
2013-05-01 01:40:41 AM  
There's gonna be trouble when some kids points their carrot at someone like a gun.
 
2013-05-01 01:41:58 AM  
Ah. Must be done with the Wisconsin thread.
 
2013-05-01 01:42:05 AM  
You know what I liked eating in elementary school?  Brownies!  Hey Oh!

/seriously, they should have a pig roast in the school cafeteria every noon time.
 
2013-05-01 01:42:34 AM  
I'm not sure replacing chicken with a cheese quesadilla is healthier
 
2013-05-01 01:44:34 AM  

CruJones: I'm not sure replacing chicken with a cheese quesadilla is healthier


Especially since it isn't real cheese.

\Kraft is a tool of the Wyrm
 
2013-05-01 01:45:35 AM  
For this to be an actual debate on the merits of a vegetarian achool lunch, you must first presuppose that the hamburgers, pepperoni pizza and beef tacos served in the traditional public school hot lunch contain meat.... from actual cows and pigs..... having eaten that for 12 years, I'm not sure I'm willing to go that far out on a limb.
 
2013-05-01 01:45:59 AM  

doglover: The problem with the proper vegetarian diet isn't that it lacks in any way the necessities of life. And skipping meat once a day never hurt anyone.

The main problem, and the reason vegans should be unwelcome in your home, even as emissaries of a friendly king, is that VEGETABLES ARE NOT MEAT AND YOU CAN'T SUBSTITUTE THEM FOR IT NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO YOU STUPID farkING ASSHOLES!


You'd be absolutely stunned by the numbers of people who don't know this basic fact. Why, back in 2006, there were something like 300 million vegetarian Indians. I'm not sure how many have survived, their population must be dropping like a stone.
 
2013-05-01 01:47:10 AM  

CruJones: I'm not sure replacing chicken with a cheese quesadilla is healthier


seriously, a farking fried cheese on processerd totilla butter biscuit ? coronary by 4th grade.  These vegetarians are farking dumb.  roasted or braised meat of any kind, as long as unprocessed, is far better than any fried cheese or fried vegetable entree.  kids are not eating steamed vegetables they will have to fry all of it. you can grill or roast a chicken thigh.
 
2013-05-01 01:51:23 AM  
You can lead a kid to veggies but you can't make them eat.
 
2013-05-01 01:53:47 AM  
Soy has not exactly proven to be great for children either, I hope they're moderating that shiat tightly.
 
2013-05-01 01:55:14 AM  
black beans and cheddar quesadillas served with salsa and roasted potatoes. That sounds good. I'm going to make that now.
 
2013-05-01 01:56:18 AM  

doglover: The problem with the proper vegetarian diet isn't that it lacks in any way the necessities of life. And skipping meat once a day never hurt anyone.

The main problem, and the reason vegans should be unwelcome in your home, even as emissaries of a friendly king, is that VEGETABLES ARE NOT MEAT AND YOU CAN'T SUBSTITUTE THEM FOR IT NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO YOU STUPID farkING ASSHOLES!


So true. The last time I had a vegan over for dinner (and we had agreed to cook an all vegan dinner) I stood in my kitchen blinking in complete silence for about an hour when I realized I couldn't use butter.
 
2013-05-01 02:00:00 AM  
no clue if true
but perhaps offers a why of other peoples thinking


http://www.purifymind.com/MeatProtein.htm
Eating such enormous quantities of animal proteins has a profound effect on human behaviour. Generally in nature carnivorous animals are fierce and aggressive, while non-carnivorous ones are peaceful and sociable. Another thing that can easily be seen is the gradual reduction in aggression in human beings as they move from a diet containing large amounts of meat towards one excluding high protein foods, especially meat. It is also well known that dogs, although carnivorous in nature, keep guard and attack strangers more effectively if they are fed larger than normal meat rations. Similarly, in wartime, when men are to take part in highly risky military action, they have to be given large meat rations, so that the meat is used as a drug to develop aggression, violence and moral insensitivity.

perhaps a desire for a more placid population
(dont think thats going to work)

oh also
know who else was a vegetarian
(finally got to do that in a fark thread)
 
2013-05-01 02:01:51 AM  
Yes, let's give kids another reason to hate school.
 
2013-05-01 02:01:53 AM  
One meal no protein isn't really a huge deal, as long as real, whole foods are substituted. Processed soy (tofu) and processed carbs, however, are a horrible idea.
 
2013-05-01 02:02:11 AM  

Ranger Rover: doglover: The problem with the proper vegetarian diet isn't that it lacks in any way the necessities of life. And skipping meat once a day never hurt anyone.

The main problem, and the reason vegans should be unwelcome in your home, even as emissaries of a friendly king, is that VEGETABLES ARE NOT MEAT AND YOU CAN'T SUBSTITUTE THEM FOR IT NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO YOU STUPID farkING ASSHOLES!

So true. The last time I had a vegan over for dinner (and we had agreed to cook an all vegan dinner) I stood in my kitchen blinking in complete silence for about an hour when I realized I couldn't use butter.


I'm sorry but that made me lol
 
2013-05-01 02:03:15 AM  

Ranger Rover: So true. The last time I had a vegan over for dinner (and we had agreed to cook an all vegan dinner) I stood in my kitchen blinking in complete silence for about an hour when I realized I couldn't use butter.


Old joke time

Q.  How do you know if there's a vegan at your dinner party?

A.  Oh, don't worry. they'll  make sure that you know.
 
2013-05-01 02:03:24 AM  
I'll stay away from the normal meat vs veggie derp, but I'd be curious to see how this public school manages to maintain this when school budgets in New York are already stretched to the breaking point.  Where are they finding the funding to continuously bring in the full veggie menu.  What quality of produce do they intend to use?  I understand that there may be some economy of scale at play, but how are they able to make a nutritionally viable meal on the traditionally meager budget assigned to school lunches?
 
2013-05-01 02:03:36 AM  

Ranger Rover: doglover: The problem with the proper vegetarian diet isn't that it lacks in any way the necessities of life. And skipping meat once a day never hurt anyone.

The main problem, and the reason vegans should be unwelcome in your home, even as emissaries of a friendly king, is that VEGETABLES ARE NOT MEAT AND YOU CAN'T SUBSTITUTE THEM FOR IT NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO YOU STUPID farkING ASSHOLES!

So true. The last time I had a vegan over for dinner (and we had agreed to cook an all vegan dinner) I stood in my kitchen blinking in complete silence for about an hour when I realized I couldn't use butter.


Vegan cooking is lust free. There is nothing unctuous or lush about it, and there can't be. It's like Mormon sex, but food.
 
2013-05-01 02:04:05 AM  
The way this will settle out - the moment cheese pizza is offered, it will be the most popular dish. So the school cafeteria will make it more often, because it not only fills the requirement, but it's really cheap and easo. And so it will be exactly like every other school cafeteria over the past 3+ decades.
 
2013-05-01 02:04:18 AM  
My lunches during the week consist mostly of vegetables, beans or pasta and fruit. I rarely ever eat meat during the week for lunch. I have found that since doing this for lunch I have more energy after lunch than I did when I would eat meat at lunch and don't get the groggy feeling after lunch that I used to get.
 
2013-05-01 02:04:24 AM  
Protein does play a role in childhood development, but i'd wager it's better for a child to get plenty of vitamins and nutrients and just a little protein, than it is for them to get lots of protein and very little vitamins, which is what most children's diets are these days. Just shoveling meat and 'junk food' into their mouths constantly, leading to the bizarre modern phenomenon of people who are obese AND malnourished.
 
2013-05-01 02:05:22 AM  

Fun Dumpster: I'll stay away from the normal meat vs veggie derp, but I'd be curious to see how this public school manages to maintain this when school budgets in New York are already stretched to the breaking point.  Where are they finding the funding to continuously bring in the full veggie menu.  What quality of produce do they intend to use?  I understand that there may be some economy of scale at play, but how are they able to make a nutritionally viable meal on the traditionally meager budget assigned to school lunches?


I'm assuming they're going to be using a lot of refined grains and processed soy instead of fresh, local, seasonal produce. Which is a shame, if true.
 
2013-05-01 02:06:53 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: Protein does play a role in childhood development, but i'd wager it's better for a child to get plenty of vitamins and nutrients and just a little protein, than it is for them to get lots of protein and very little vitamins, which is what most children's diets are these days. Just shoveling meat and 'junk food' into their mouths constantly, leading to the bizarre modern phenomenon of people who are obese AND malnourished.


Meat is full of vitamins and minerals, as well as amino acids. It's mainly the processed carbs that lead to the obese/malnourished paradigm.
 
2013-05-01 02:07:42 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Fun Dumpster: I'll stay away from the normal meat vs veggie derp, but I'd be curious to see how this public school manages to maintain this when school budgets in New York are already stretched to the breaking point.  Where are they finding the funding to continuously bring in the full veggie menu.  What quality of produce do they intend to use?  I understand that there may be some economy of scale at play, but how are they able to make a nutritionally viable meal on the traditionally meager budget assigned to school lunches?

I'm assuming they're going to be using a lot of refined grains and processed soy instead of fresh, local, seasonal produce. Which is a shame, if true.


What school cafeteria uses fresh, local seasonal produce now? They will use Sysco or Aramark products like every other school district.
 
2013-05-01 02:08:01 AM  
OH, i dont know, i think you could feed the crotch fruit as much drippy red blooded meat as you want for the dinner you serve at home.

Why not give the kids a break from all those meat-derived hormones? You know anyone with this attitude isn't going to be avoiding it any other place.
 
2013-05-01 02:08:37 AM  

Fun Dumpster: I'll stay away from the normal meat vs veggie derp, but I'd be curious to see how this public school manages to maintain this when school budgets in New York are already stretched to the breaking point.  Where are they finding the funding to continuously bring in the full veggie menu.  What quality of produce do they intend to use?  I understand that there may be some economy of scale at play, but how are they able to make a nutritionally viable meal on the traditionally meager budget assigned to school lunches?


true that. fresh produce is expensive. most school cafeterias have stacks of huge cans with suspicious government labels on them. someone would have to be damn clever for schools to be able to serve mostly whole unprocessed healthy foods on a regular basis.
 
2013-05-01 02:08:44 AM  

doglover: The problem with the proper vegetarian diet isn't that it lacks in any way the necessities of life. And skipping meat once a day never hurt anyone.

The main problem, and the reason vegans should be unwelcome in your home, even as emissaries of a friendly king, is that VEGETABLES ARE NOT MEAT AND YOU CAN'T SUBSTITUTE THEM FOR IT NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO YOU STUPID farkING ASSHOLES!


True (not really)

I cannot tell you how much I really really enjoyed tasting a local meat.
Golden retriever, kinda salty but very tender

// tasty tasty dog meat, mmm I love it
/ for reference yes you can substitute meat with vegetables, most of the world populations are vegetarian you farking ignorant dickwad
 
2013-05-01 02:09:07 AM  

ongbok: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Fun Dumpster: I'll stay away from the normal meat vs veggie derp, but I'd be curious to see how this public school manages to maintain this when school budgets in New York are already stretched to the breaking point.  Where are they finding the funding to continuously bring in the full veggie menu.  What quality of produce do they intend to use?  I understand that there may be some economy of scale at play, but how are they able to make a nutritionally viable meal on the traditionally meager budget assigned to school lunches?

I'm assuming they're going to be using a lot of refined grains and processed soy instead of fresh, local, seasonal produce. Which is a shame, if true.

What school cafeteria uses fresh, local seasonal produce now? They will use Sysco or Aramark products like every other school district.


Then why eliminate meat at all f you're just going to replace it with less healthy alternatives?
 
2013-05-01 02:09:16 AM  
This is dumb.  I am a vegetarian, it's a personal choice not something you enforce. You can do plenty of healthy and tasty meals with or without meat.  There is no reason to call all vegetarian, give the kids options.  Maybe one or two vegetarian days a week just to try and prod kids to try it but no more than that.
 
2013-05-01 02:09:39 AM  
img.fark.net

Your problem was that you went full veggie.  You  never go full veggie.
 
2013-05-01 02:09:42 AM  
I smell lawsuit hilarity potential, discrimination claims incoming.
 
2013-05-01 02:10:13 AM  

doglover: skipping meat once a day never hurt anyone.


You shut your whore mouth!  Meat is why American men have enormous penises
 
2013-05-01 02:10:46 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Meat is full of vitamins


There's some, but not enough to keep someone healthy. Carnivores produce vitamin c within their bodies to make up for what they don't get in their diets, but humans rely entirely on their diet to get it.
 
2013-05-01 02:12:57 AM  

vpb: Wow! There's some powerful derp here.

I an not a herbivore, but I know enough about nutrition to know that you can get all the protein and fat you need from plants.  You may not enjoy it, but it can be done.


I'll start this off by saying I eat shiat loads of meat. Delicious meat.

Yet I have two sets of aunt/uncles, with multiple kids who are vegetarian and are doing just fine. People can toss around jokes and disses, but people who take issue with something like this are not very smart. The worst that can happen is that your child eats food that is apparently not what your child wants at that exact minute. Often the same people bemoaning that other people aren't tough enough - apparently having to eat vegetables for lunch doesn't conflict with this 'world going to a handbasket' view.

As always, veganism gets brought up by some idiots who think this is a slippery slope to some alternate timeline where you're forced at gunpoint to eat grass. I love you crazy Americans that way - the slightest shift in anything is an assault on your freedom.
 
2013-05-01 02:15:48 AM  
I wonder what they'd do if I sent my kids to school with some salami, cheese, crackers, and fruit like I did today?
 
2013-05-01 02:15:49 AM  
I'd have no problem with the school feeding my kid veggies only.  They can proper food like Fruit Loops and chocolate milk when they get home.
 
2013-05-01 02:16:21 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: ongbok: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Fun Dumpster: I'll stay away from the normal meat vs veggie derp, but I'd be curious to see how this public school manages to maintain this when school budgets in New York are already stretched to the breaking point.  Where are they finding the funding to continuously bring in the full veggie menu.  What quality of produce do they intend to use?  I understand that there may be some economy of scale at play, but how are they able to make a nutritionally viable meal on the traditionally meager budget assigned to school lunches?

I'm assuming they're going to be using a lot of refined grains and processed soy instead of fresh, local, seasonal produce. Which is a shame, if true.

What school cafeteria uses fresh, local seasonal produce now? They will use Sysco or Aramark products like every other school district.

Then why eliminate meat at all f you're just going to replace it with less healthy alternatives?


Just because it isn't fresh locally grown produce doesn't mean that it is unhealthy. That giant can of green beans may not be as healthy as fresh green beans, but they will provide the necessary nutrients and isn't unhealthy. Plus providing them with a meat free lunch will probably give them more energy in the afternoon and they will have less of the itis than if they were eating meat.
 
2013-05-01 02:17:14 AM  

vpb: Wow! There's some powerful derp here.

I an not a herbivore, but I know enough about nutrition to know that you can get all the protein and fat you need from plants.  You may not enjoy it, but it can be done.


Yes, but the extra carbs one will consume in order to get all the other nutrients you need.

Yikes.
 
2013-05-01 02:19:19 AM  

painless42: For this to be an actual debate on the merits of a vegetarian achool lunch, you must first presuppose that the hamburgers, pepperoni pizza and beef tacos served in the traditional public school hot lunch contain meat.... from actual cows and pigs..... having eaten that for 12 years, I'm not sure I'm willing to go that far out on a limb.


I was going to go on a rant, but your post raises a valid point.
 
2013-05-01 02:20:47 AM  
this is why asians are short.
 
2013-05-01 02:21:08 AM  

Slartibartfaster: doglover: The problem with the proper vegetarian diet isn't that it lacks in any way the necessities of life. And skipping meat once a day never hurt anyone.

The main problem, and the reason vegans should be unwelcome in your home, even as emissaries of a friendly king, is that VEGETABLES ARE NOT MEAT AND YOU CAN'T SUBSTITUTE THEM FOR IT NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO YOU STUPID farkING ASSHOLES!

True (not really)

I cannot tell you how much I really really enjoyed tasting a local meat.
Golden retriever, kinda salty but very tender

// tasty tasty dog meat, mmm I love it
/ for reference yes you can substitute meat with vegetables, most of the world populations are vegetarian you farking ignorant dickwad


Now this isn't a "OhHOHO You're WRONG" but I'm kind of curious where you saw that....
 
2013-05-01 02:21:37 AM  
School food was already flavorless
 
2013-05-01 02:21:43 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: What school cafeteria uses fresh, local seasonal produce now? They will use Sysco or Aramark products like every other school district.

Then why eliminate meat at all f you're just going to replace it with less healthy alternatives?


How long has it been since you've seen school cafeteria meat?
 
2013-05-01 02:21:53 AM  

thisiszombocom: this is why asians are short.


Because they don't eat meat for lunch during the week?
 
2013-05-01 02:22:52 AM  

ongbok: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Fun Dumpster: I'll stay away from the normal meat vs veggie derp, but I'd be curious to see how this public school manages to maintain this when school budgets in New York are already stretched to the breaking point.  Where are they finding the funding to continuously bring in the full veggie menu.  What quality of produce do they intend to use?  I understand that there may be some economy of scale at play, but how are they able to make a nutritionally viable meal on the traditionally meager budget assigned to school lunches?

I'm assuming they're going to be using a lot of refined grains and processed soy instead of fresh, local, seasonal produce. Which is a shame, if true.

What school cafeteria uses fresh, local seasonal produce now? They will use Sysco or Aramark products like every other school district.


My kids' school does.  It's called Farm to School

We also get locally grown and milled flour.

I had a major sad on a plane inbound to home when I overheard a kid lament how lame farms were, since you could get food at a grocery store...
 
2013-05-01 02:24:25 AM  
# 10 cans of Sysco.
Yummy?
 
2013-05-01 02:25:34 AM  

bindlestiff2600: no clue if true
but perhaps offers a why of other peoples thinking


http://www.purifymind.com/MeatProtein.htm
Eating such enormous quantities of animal proteins has a profound effect on human behaviour. Generally in nature carnivorous animals are fierce and aggressive, while non-carnivorous ones are peaceful and sociable. Another thing that can easily be seen is the gradual reduction in aggression in human beings as they move from a diet containing large amounts of meat towards one excluding high protein foods, especially meat. It is also well known that dogs, although carnivorous in nature, keep guard and attack strangers more effectively if they are fed larger than normal meat rations. Similarly, in wartime, when men are to take part in highly risky military action, they have to be given large meat rations, so that the meat is used as a drug to develop aggression, violence and moral insensitivity.

perhaps a desire for a more placid population
(dont think thats going to work)

oh also
know who else was a vegetarian
(finally got to do that in a fark thread)


That is some grade AAA propaganda right there. The GOP should hire that writer for the next election cycle.

We evolved to meat as part of our diet. The same thing with dairy products. A balanced diet that includes rational serving sizes with a wide variety of unprocessed food (you can have it some times as a treat) is what your body wants and needs.

BTW, the large servings of meat given to soldiers before a major offensive is to ensure that they are not malnourished from being at war so that they have a better chance to survive the battle. Having all the things your body needs to handle not having time to eat for a few days while you fight or lay bleeding out on the battlefield is a good idea.

\you can take my stake when you pry it from my clenched teeth
 
2013-05-01 02:25:54 AM  
I'm just waiting for somebody to come in and tell us that this is an attempt by Liberals to indoctrinate children.

I am very surprised that nobody has already.
 
2013-05-01 02:26:10 AM  

thisiszombocom: this is why asians are short.


...and, perhaps, why asian women are so goddamn hot instead of being cellulite warehouses by 17 1/2?

oh give me an asian woman that eats lots of veggies, please lord

/oh wait, have one.
 
2013-05-01 02:26:31 AM  

Gyrfalcon: doglover: The problem with the proper vegetarian diet isn't that it lacks in any way the necessities of life. And skipping meat once a day never hurt anyone.

The main problem, and the reason vegans should be unwelcome in your home, even as emissaries of a friendly king, is that VEGETABLES ARE NOT MEAT AND YOU CAN'T SUBSTITUTE THEM FOR IT NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO YOU STUPID farkING ASSHOLES!

The problem with a proper vegetarian diet is that 99.5% of elementary school kids wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot hot dog. All this means is more school lunches in the trash can, and more kids eating Extra-Spicy Cheetohs and Gatorade for lunch. But hey, keep on trying to promote those healthful eating habits.


Well fark, kids these days could stand to miss a meal. And kids will eat healthy if that is the option, they will not (more than likely) starve themselves. And it's not like those things taste gross, its just not processed shiat.
 
2013-05-01 02:26:46 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: What school cafeteria uses fresh, local seasonal produce now? They will use Sysco or Aramark products like every other school district.

Then why eliminate meat at all f you're just going to replace it with less healthy alternatives?

How long has it been since you've seen school cafeteria meat?


Too long :(
 
2013-05-01 02:28:13 AM  

gozar_the_destroyer: bindlestiff2600: no clue if true
but perhaps offers a why of other peoples thinking


http://www.purifymind.com/MeatProtein.htm
Eating such enormous quantities of animal proteins has a profound effect on human behaviour. Generally in nature carnivorous animals are fierce and aggressive, while non-carnivorous ones are peaceful and sociable. Another thing that can easily be seen is the gradual reduction in aggression in human beings as they move from a diet containing large amounts of meat towards one excluding high protein foods, especially meat. It is also well known that dogs, although carnivorous in nature, keep guard and attack strangers more effectively if they are fed larger than normal meat rations. Similarly, in wartime, when men are to take part in highly risky military action, they have to be given large meat rations, so that the meat is used as a drug to develop aggression, violence and moral insensitivity.

perhaps a desire for a more placid population
(dont think thats going to work)

oh also
know who else was a vegetarian
(finally got to do that in a fark thread)

That is some grade AAA propaganda right there. The GOP should hire that writer for the next election cycle.

We evolved to meat as part of our diet. The same thing with dairy products. A balanced diet that includes rational serving sizes with a wide variety of unprocessed food (you can have it some times as a treat) is what your body wants and needs.

BTW, the large servings of meat given to soldiers before a major offensive is to ensure that they are not malnourished from being at war so that they have a better chance to survive the battle. Having all the things your body needs to handle not having time to eat for a few days while you fight or lay bleeding out on the battlefield is a good idea.

\you can take my stake when you pry it from my clenched teeth


How do you like it?

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-01 02:30:55 AM  

ongbok: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: ongbok: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Fun Dumpster: I'll stay away from the normal meat vs veggie derp, but I'd be curious to see how this public school manages to maintain this when school budgets in New York are already stretched to the breaking point.  Where are they finding the funding to continuously bring in the full veggie menu.  What quality of produce do they intend to use?  I understand that there may be some economy of scale at play, but how are they able to make a nutritionally viable meal on the traditionally meager budget assigned to school lunches?

I'm assuming they're going to be using a lot of refined grains and processed soy instead of fresh, local, seasonal produce. Which is a shame, if true.

What school cafeteria uses fresh, local seasonal produce now? They will use Sysco or Aramark products like every other school district.

Then why eliminate meat at all f you're just going to replace it with less healthy alternatives?

Just because it isn't fresh locally grown produce doesn't mean that it is unhealthy. That giant can of green beans may not be as healthy as fresh green beans, but they will provide the necessary nutrients and isn't unhealthy. Plus providing them with a meat free lunch will probably give them more energy in the afternoon and they will have less of the itis than if they were eating meat.


The  itis is from consuming too many or too easily digested calories in one sitting. Getting rid of the Wonderbread and chips would make just as much a difference. And not deep frying everything...

Wasn't there a British chef that tried to do most of this and found out that he could, on the budget, but it would cut out the money to big food and instead spend it on having the lunch ladies cook instead of reheating everything?
 
2013-05-01 02:31:08 AM  
I predict those kids will be farting a lot more.
 
2013-05-01 02:31:44 AM  
I don't understand the outrage.

Does it matter if they have one or two meals a day that don't contain meat?
Are these kids not allowed to eat meat at home?
 
2013-05-01 02:32:19 AM  

meat0918: gozar_the_destroyer: bindlestiff2600: no clue if true
but perhaps offers a why of other peoples thinking


http://www.purifymind.com/MeatProtein.htm
Eating such enormous quantities of animal proteins has a profound effect on human behaviour. Generally in nature carnivorous animals are fierce and aggressive, while non-carnivorous ones are peaceful and sociable. Another thing that can easily be seen is the gradual reduction in aggression in human beings as they move from a diet containing large amounts of meat towards one excluding high protein foods, especially meat. It is also well known that dogs, although carnivorous in nature, keep guard and attack strangers more effectively if they are fed larger than normal meat rations. Similarly, in wartime, when men are to take part in highly risky military action, they have to be given large meat rations, so that the meat is used as a drug to develop aggression, violence and moral insensitivity.

perhaps a desire for a more placid population
(dont think thats going to work)

oh also
know who else was a vegetarian
(finally got to do that in a fark thread)

That is some grade AAA propaganda right there. The GOP should hire that writer for the next election cycle.

We evolved to meat as part of our diet. The same thing with dairy products. A balanced diet that includes rational serving sizes with a wide variety of unprocessed food (you can have it some times as a treat) is what your body wants and needs.

BTW, the large servings of meat given to soldiers before a major offensive is to ensure that they are not malnourished from being at war so that they have a better chance to survive the battle. Having all the things your body needs to handle not having time to eat for a few days while you fight or lay bleeding out on the battlefield is a good idea.

\you can take my stake when you pry it from my clenched teeth

How do you like it?

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Bloody! Shove it back into to vampire a few more times until the heart gets stuck.
 
2013-05-01 02:32:26 AM  

meat0918: vpb: Wow! There's some powerful derp here.

I an not a herbivore, but I know enough about nutrition to know that you can get all the protein and fat you need from plants.  You may not enjoy it, but it can be done.

Yes, but the extra carbs one will consume in order to get all the other nutrients you need.

Yikes.


Combine beans with a grain and you have your complete protein while keeping the carbs within reason.  There isn't any need to load up on carbs for nutrients in a vegetarian diet.  People do it because carby foods are tasty comfort foods they substitute in for eating meat in that role.
 
2013-05-01 02:32:31 AM  
OK, all you folks who say how this is great, and vegetarianism doesn't mean they won't get complete proteins...

This is the US Public Education system.  These people think ketchup is a farking vegetable.  They fire people for making more nutritious meals that don't follow the rules of buying pre-processed food from approved suppliers.  Do you really think they are capable of combining foods properly for proper nutrition now?  How do you think they're going to do with vegetarianism?
 
2013-05-01 02:32:48 AM  

Gilligann: I don't understand the outrage.

Does it matter if they have one or two meals a day that don't contain meat?
Are these kids not allowed to eat meat at home?


What outrage?
 
2013-05-01 02:34:00 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: OK, all you folks who say how this is great, and vegetarianism doesn't mean they won't get complete proteins...

This is the US Public Education system.  These people think ketchup is a farking vegetable.  They fire people for making more nutritious meals that don't follow the rules of buying pre-processed food from approved suppliers.  Do you really think they are capable of combining foods properly for proper nutrition now?  How do you think they're going to do with vegetarianism?


1. About a million eyes are watching them right now, waiting for them to make a mistake.
2. See #1.
 
2013-05-01 02:36:15 AM  
How do you think they're going to do with vegetarianism?

Rice and Beans is not exactly an unknown rare crazy dish.
 
2013-05-01 02:38:49 AM  
Or, I've heard of this product called a "chicken egg" that is apparently eaten widely by the most common type of vegetarians.
 
2013-05-01 02:39:17 AM  

Ranger Rover: doglover: The problem with the proper vegetarian diet isn't that it lacks in any way the necessities of life. And skipping meat once a day never hurt anyone.

The main problem, and the reason vegans should be unwelcome in your home, even as emissaries of a friendly king, is that VEGETABLES ARE NOT MEAT AND YOU CAN'T SUBSTITUTE THEM FOR IT NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO YOU STUPID farkING ASSHOLES!

So true. The last time I had a vegan over for dinner (and we had agreed to cook an all vegan dinner) I stood in my kitchen blinking in complete silence for about an hour when I realized I couldn't use butter.


Vegans don't bother me. Eat whatever the fark makes you happy. But don't come over to MY house during a BBQ and expect me to bend over backwards cleaning the grill of any and all animal proteins (or hell....my oven). I will accomodate you, but not to the extent that I spend more time on your diet than the other 40 people that showed up, some who may have food allergies or diabetes or whatever. Bring something yourself and I will heat it up for you. And here's a rum and coke for you. You look stressed.
 
2013-05-01 02:41:27 AM  
Is  "growth stunted" what they're calling the non-obese these days?
 
2013-05-01 02:43:57 AM  

Hickory-smoked: Is  "growth stunted" what they're calling the non-obese these days?


Carbs and grains make people fat, not meat. Your understanding of nutrition dates back to about 1972.
 
2013-05-01 02:45:23 AM  

furiousxgeorge: How do you think they're going to do with vegetarianism?


furiousxgeorge: Or, I've heard of this product called a "chicken egg" that is apparently eaten widely by the most common type of vegetarians.

Rice and Beans is not exactly an unknown rare crazy dish.


I contend that if they can't buy them pre-processed from an approved supplier with business deals with the district, pre-made, heat-n-eat, it's not going to work.  It may be good for a little while.  But eventually those kids are going to be no better off, or perhaps worse off than before, for nutrition.

Which is a shame, because there's no real reason schools shouldn't be able to serve fresh, in-house-prepared, nutritious meals.  Vegetarian or not.
 
2013-05-01 02:46:20 AM  

gozar_the_destroyer: Wasn't there a British chef that tried to do most of this and found out that he could, on the budget, but it would cut out the money to big food and instead spend it on having the lunch ladies cook instead of reheating everything?


Jamie Oliver I think, from the Naked Chef.

He got tossed out of LAUSD when he tried that here. Turns out politicians get a little defensive when you want to point out what they are doing wrong and how they can do it better, especially for less money.

/also tends to piss off your brother, who just happens to be the CEO of the delivery company (not saying that's actually what's going on in L.A., but wouldn't be surprised if there's a link somewhere)
 
2013-05-01 02:48:40 AM  

thisiszombocom: this is why asians are short.


I had a buh moment yesterday when I saw a picture of MacArthur with Emperor Hirohito.  The Emperor of Japan looks like a midget.  You can't say Hirohito was ever wanting for a sandwich, confined to eating rice and a little sea weed topped with a small piece of mackerel.
 
2013-05-01 02:48:50 AM  
It sucks that they're banning kids from bringing a turkey sandwich from home the way I used to. Wait...they're not? What am I supposed to get angry about now?
 
2013-05-01 02:50:58 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: I contend that if they can't buy them pre-processed from an approved supplier with business deals with the district, pre-made, heat-n-eat, it's not going to work. It may be good for a little while. But eventually those kids are going to be no better off, or perhaps worse off than before, for nutrition.


What exactly are you suggesting the processing is removing from the rice and beans, nutrition wise?
 
2013-05-01 02:52:00 AM  
It sucks that they're doing this without wider community approval. If they think that this is magically going to result in those kids becoming ardent vegetarians they might be surprised at the unintended consequences. On the other hand, at a public school you don't have a right to expect them to conform to your diet needs. At least I don't think that's the case. Can a single parent expect the entire kitchen to be kosher, for example?

/hate every single vegetable except corn and potatoes (and that barely counts)
//healthier than pretty much everyone I know so :-P
 
2013-05-01 02:52:04 AM  

Peki: gozar_the_destroyer: Wasn't there a British chef that tried to do most of this and found out that he could, on the budget, but it would cut out the money to big food and instead spend it on having the lunch ladies cook instead of reheating everything?

Jamie Oliver I think, from the Naked Chef.

He got tossed out of LAUSD when he tried that here. Turns out politicians get a little defensive when you want to point out what they are doing wrong and how they can do it better, especially for less money.

/also tends to piss off your brother, who just happens to be the CEO of the delivery company (not saying that's actually what's going on in L.A., but wouldn't be surprised if there's a link somewhere)


I'm fairly certain that the food companies have links to those who make the decisions, in some way.  It's just the way it works.
 
2013-05-01 02:54:02 AM  

furiousxgeorge: Benevolent Misanthrope: I contend that if they can't buy them pre-processed from an approved supplier with business deals with the district, pre-made, heat-n-eat, it's not going to work. It may be good for a little while. But eventually those kids are going to be no better off, or perhaps worse off than before, for nutrition.

What exactly are you suggesting the processing is removing from the rice and beans, nutrition wise?


Adding.  Salt, preservatives, etc.  It's the diference between starting from dry beans and rice, and buying Vigo black beans and rice mix.  Which do you think is better for them?
 
2013-05-01 02:57:13 AM  

LDM90: It sucks that they're banning kids from bringing a turkey sandwich from home the way I used to. Wait...they're not? What am I supposed to get angry about now?


Right. If poor kids on lunch assistance want to eat, they'll eat what we tell them. There's nothing wrong with that. Just like there's nothing wrong with forcing their parents to not be on the substances we disapprove of, or force them to get the grades we demand if they're going to get anything at all?

Why are people mad about this sort of stuff again? Aren't the underclass our playthings for social engineering and legislated morality?
 
2013-05-01 02:57:59 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: furiousxgeorge: Benevolent Misanthrope: I contend that if they can't buy them pre-processed from an approved supplier with business deals with the district, pre-made, heat-n-eat, it's not going to work. It may be good for a little while. But eventually those kids are going to be no better off, or perhaps worse off than before, for nutrition.

What exactly are you suggesting the processing is removing from the rice and beans, nutrition wise?

Adding.  Salt, preservatives, etc.  It's the diference between starting from dry beans and rice, and buying Vigo black beans and rice mix.  Which do you think is better for them?


Oh God, preservatives hysteria.  Just shut up.  You are going to be adding salt to rice and beans even if you cook it from dry.

You do the rice at the school in a rice cooker, it's as easy as using a microwave.  You get the beans in cans and rinse them off if you are afraid of additives.  It's not any less healthy than cooking from dry.  But you can do them dry in a pressure cooker or whatever if you want to. Rice and Beans is like the simplest thing to make in the world.
 
2013-05-01 02:58:51 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: I'm fairly certain that the food companies have links to those who make the decisions, in some way.  It's just the way it works.


I really hate to think that way.

Then I saw what happened to the prop A money for the community colleges in California. Holy crap.

/you think corruption is only a Florida trick?? Yeesh.
 
2013-05-01 03:07:48 AM  

redslippers: Ranger Rover: doglover: The problem with the proper vegetarian diet isn't that it lacks in any way the necessities of life. And skipping meat once a day never hurt anyone.

The main problem, and the reason vegans should be unwelcome in your home, even as emissaries of a friendly king, is that VEGETABLES ARE NOT MEAT AND YOU CAN'T SUBSTITUTE THEM FOR IT NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO YOU STUPID farkING ASSHOLES!

So true. The last time I had a vegan over for dinner (and we had agreed to cook an all vegan dinner) I stood in my kitchen blinking in complete silence for about an hour when I realized I couldn't use butter.

Vegan cooking is lust free. There is nothing unctuous or lush about it, and there can't be. It's like Mormon sex, but food.


I am an omnivore and just had baby sheep for dinner.  However, I disagree with your blanket statement about vegan food.  I recently ate at a vegan restaurant and was quite surprised by the food, it was every bit as good as any similar non-vegan restaurant and I would be happy to eat there regularly.

/also ate a a vegan "fast food" place, had fake chili dogs and air fries.  It tasted like baked ass.
 
2013-05-01 03:08:17 AM  

furiousxgeorge: Benevolent Misanthrope: furiousxgeorge: Benevolent Misanthrope: I contend that if they can't buy them pre-processed from an approved supplier with business deals with the district, pre-made, heat-n-eat, it's not going to work. It may be good for a little while. But eventually those kids are going to be no better off, or perhaps worse off than before, for nutrition.

What exactly are you suggesting the processing is removing from the rice and beans, nutrition wise?

Adding.  Salt, preservatives, etc.  It's the diference between starting from dry beans and rice, and buying Vigo black beans and rice mix.  Which do you think is better for them?

Oh God, preservatives hysteria.  Just shut up.  You are going to be adding salt to rice and beans even if you cook it from dry.

You do the rice at the school in a rice cooker, it's as easy as using a microwave.  You get the beans in cans and rinse them off if you are afraid of additives.  It's not any less healthy than cooking from dry.  But you can do them dry in a pressure cooker or whatever if you want to. Rice and Beans is like the simplest thing to make in the world.


I'm not disagreeing that it's simple to do and the schools should be able to.  I'm telling you, having worked in government for a while and paid attention to how our schools feed children (and make those decisions of what to feed them) over the years, THEY WON'T.  Even budgeting for that rice maker - sorry, we got Administrative Theory Conferences to fund.

And besides - you're telling me that you're okay with feeding the kids canned beans and rice, every day, no change, all the time?  I don't think you are - so, once we move past pre-scrambled eggs in a bag, and beans-n-rice mix, and frozen cheese burritos and quesadillas, what else?  Keeping within the normal school lunch budget, mind you - no cheating with really good pre-packaged vegetarian foods.

I think this whole thing is a good idea, but I'm not at all sure the schools will do it right.  As a matter of fact I'm pretty sure it'll be bollocksed within a year.

And I very much hope I am proven wrong.
 
2013-05-01 03:10:54 AM  
I guess it's easier for me to conceive of it because I'm not a luddite about processing.
 
2013-05-01 03:12:52 AM  

Mimic_Octopus: CruJones: I'm not sure replacing chicken with a cheese quesadilla is healthier

seriously, a farking fried cheese on processerd totilla butter biscuit ? coronary by 4th grade.  These vegetarians are farking dumb.  roasted or braised meat of any kind, as long as unprocessed, is far better than any fried cheese or fried vegetable entree.  kids are not eating steamed vegetables they will have to fry all of it. you can grill or roast a chicken thigh.


Microwaved veggies are the bomb.

coronary by 4th grade.

As the good lady said, these are vegetarians, not vegans. Vegans gonna die...
 
2013-05-01 03:13:43 AM  

furiousxgeorge: How do you think they're going to do with vegetarianism?

Rice and Beans is not exactly an unknown rare crazy dish.


rice n beans with a bit of hot sauce and maybe a fried egg on top???

i wouldve eaten that at school.

especially dried beans prepared in
 
2013-05-01 03:14:25 AM  
a pressure cooker.

godam phone
 
2013-05-01 03:15:29 AM  

Jensaarai: LDM90: It sucks that they're banning kids from bringing a turkey sandwich from home the way I used to. Wait...they're not? What am I supposed to get angry about now?

Right. If poor kids on lunch assistance want to eat, they'll eat what we tell them. There's nothing wrong with that. Just like there's nothing wrong with forcing their parents to not be on the substances we disapprove of, or force them to get the grades we demand if they're going to get anything at all?

Why are people mad about this sort of stuff again? Aren't the underclass our playthings for social engineering and legislated morality?


You either missed my point or are being deliberately obtuse. I'll repeat in simpler English: The local government is under obligation to provide your snowflake a meal. If it doesn't meet your approval bag one up yourself instead of biatching. Or start a campaign to raise taxes and awareness.
 
2013-05-01 03:16:39 AM  

my herniated disc: a pressure cooker.

godam phone


Hmm. . . would those even be allowed in schools? They are WMDs.

/the more you know


//not serious, not serious! please don't hurt me.
 
2013-05-01 03:18:42 AM  
I like the lie in that article, that the kids chose to go to the more vegetarian meals. like kids will willingly eat that vegetarian crap. I'm sure more liberal indoctrination centers will move to the same policy. Oh well kids, learn how to make your own lunch and bring it to school.
 
2013-05-01 03:22:13 AM  
public schools!
 
2013-05-01 03:23:48 AM  
I would have been glad to go to a school that had any vegetarian food . . . sounds like they have a nice menu.
 
2013-05-01 03:27:16 AM  

Slartibartfaster: most of the world populations are vegetarian you farking ignorant dickwad


Mostly because they don't all have a choice.

Mimic_Octopus: seriously, a farking fried cheese on processerd totilla butter biscuit ? coronary by 4th grade. These vegetarians are farking dumb. roasted or braised meat of any kind, as long as unprocessed, is far better than any fried cheese or fried vegetable entree. kids are not eating steamed vegetables they will have to fry all of it. you can grill or roast a chicken thigh.


Maybe if it's all three meals a day for 10 years. Otherwise, stop being stupid.

Gyrfalcon: ...and more kids eating Extra-Spicy Cheetohs and Gatorade for lunch.

You kiddin' me? I still (sometimes) eat that for dinner!

doglover: The main problem, and the reason vegans should be unwelcome in your home, even as emissaries of a friendly king, is that VEGETABLES ARE NOT MEAT AND YOU CAN'T SUBSTITUTE THEM FOR IT NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO YOU STUPID farkING ASSHOLES!


I don't have any problem with vegetarians, and most of the ones I've know have been pretty cool. But I can't farking stand vegans. They're smug by design. The idea of "exploiting an animal is wrong" is just stupid on the face of it. Milk is produced for the purpose of being consumed. But they don't seem to care if animals are "exploited" in other ways, such as being used as props in movies. Speaking of which, if vegans were truly concerned, they shouldn't be allowed to watch films, as celluloid contains animal protein. Nor should they be allowed to eat Jello, but I've never heard anyone ever bring this stuff up.
 
2013-05-01 03:29:07 AM  
This is an outrage!

How dare they not force those children to eat the "mystery meat".
 
2013-05-01 03:29:54 AM  

Gilligann: I don't understand the outrage.

Does it matter if they have one or two meals a day that don't contain meat?
Are these kids not allowed to eat meat at home?


Buh buh "their takin awey are fredums!" That's the only thing this is about.
 
2013-05-01 03:35:30 AM  

Abacus9: Gilligann: I don't understand the outrage.

Does it matter if they have one or two meals a day that don't contain meat?
Are these kids not allowed to eat meat at home?

Buh buh "their takin awey are fredums!" That's the only thing this is about.


The only thing I do wonder about is that there are some kids for whom the only food they get is school meals.  In their cases, if the food isn't combined properly, there could be issues.
 
2013-05-01 03:36:43 AM  

Gyrfalcon: doglover: The problem with the proper vegetarian diet isn't that it lacks in any way the necessities of life. And skipping meat once a day never hurt anyone.

The main problem, and the reason vegans should be unwelcome in your home, even as emissaries of a friendly king, is that VEGETABLES ARE NOT MEAT AND YOU CAN'T SUBSTITUTE THEM FOR IT NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO YOU STUPID farkING ASSHOLES!

The problem with a proper vegetarian diet is that 99.5% of elementary school kids wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot hot dog. All this means is more school lunches in the trash can, and more kids eating Extra-Spicy Cheetohs and Gatorade for lunch. But hey, keep on trying to promote those healthful eating habits.


so teach your kids to eat better? hmmmmmmm.
 
2013-05-01 03:38:55 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: Carnivores produce vitamin c within their bodies to make up for what they don't get in their diets, but humans rely entirely on their diet to get it.


Interestingly, it appears that nearly all of humans' vitamin C requirement is for the purpose of metabolizing starches.  Cultures that were exclusively carnivorous (e.g., the Inuit) didn't appear to have scurvy.
 
2013-05-01 03:42:03 AM  
Salvation in a bag.

static.caloriecount.about.com
 
2013-05-01 03:52:09 AM  
They went full vegan. You never go full vegan.
 
2013-05-01 03:58:23 AM  

ZeroPly: doglover: The problem with the proper vegetarian diet isn't that it lacks in any way the necessities of life. And skipping meat once a day never hurt anyone.

The main problem, and the reason vegans should be unwelcome in your home, even as emissaries of a friendly king, is that VEGETABLES ARE NOT MEAT AND YOU CAN'T SUBSTITUTE THEM FOR IT NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO YOU STUPID farkING ASSHOLES!

You'd be absolutely stunned by the numbers of people who don't know this basic fact. Why, back in 2006, there were something like 300 million vegetarian Indians. I'm not sure how many have survived, their population must be dropping like a stone.


And they're known for their vigorous health too. 1.2 billion people, and thanks to their best showing ever at the Olympics in 2012, they now have more medals overall than Michael Phelps and only nine fewer golds.
 
2013-05-01 03:58:24 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Abacus9: Gilligann: I don't understand the outrage.

Does it matter if they have one or two meals a day that don't contain meat?
Are these kids not allowed to eat meat at home?

Buh buh "their takin awey are fredums!" That's the only thing this is about.

The only thing I do wonder about is that there are some kids for whom the only food they get is school meals.  In their cases, if the food isn't combined properly, there could be issues.


I understand your point, but I think the schools are just trying to give the kids healthier meals. I don't know about the five days a week, though. Maybe two or three would be a better way to go, with vegetarian always being an option. But I can't say I'm outraged over the decision either. The thing that's really outrageous about all this is that there's a safety net where people who need food are supposed to get it, but we still have starving children. Because walfair queans.
 
2013-05-01 03:58:41 AM  
I'm the first one in line to make fun of PETA and militant vegans/vegetarian types, but I'm 100% ok with this.
 
2013-05-01 04:35:36 AM  
Repeated scientific studies have shown that Americans have way too much meat in their diet, overestimate how much meat they need in their diet, and how that is contributing to epidemic illnesses such as heart diseases. But that cant be right. Sounds too scientifically and too Un-American.
 
2013-05-01 04:58:12 AM  

Fallout Boy: Repeated scientific studies have shown that Americans have way too much meat in their diet, overestimate how much meat they need in their diet, and how that is contributing to epidemic illnesses such as heart diseases. But that cant be right. Sounds too scientifically and too Un-American.


True. But not all of the extra meat is the cause of the health issues. Eating too much in general and adding tons of non filling and high nutrition foods (like mashed potatoes or french freedom fries...mmmm...taters) to every meal is more to blame. You don't need to eat 1500 calories every meal. Hell, the only time I eat that much is when the situation has caused me to miss a couple of meals, or it is a holiday/party.

\\1500 calories is for a non fast food meal
\fast food has meals up closer to the 1600-2600 range, 1600 being for a McD's Big Mc meal
 
Skr
2013-05-01 05:18:47 AM  
Hmm... gas can get pretty bad on an all vegetarian diet.
 
2013-05-01 05:19:02 AM  

Abacus9: Slartibartfaster: most of the world populations are vegetarian you farking ignorant dickwad

Mostly because they don't all have a choice.

Mimic_Octopus: seriously, a farking fried cheese on processerd totilla butter biscuit ? coronary by 4th grade. These vegetarians are farking dumb. roasted or braised meat of any kind, as long as unprocessed, is far better than any fried cheese or fried vegetable entree. kids are not eating steamed vegetables they will have to fry all of it. you can grill or roast a chicken thigh.

Maybe if it's all three meals a day for 10 years. Otherwise, stop being stupid.

Gyrfalcon: ...and more kids eating Extra-Spicy Cheetohs and Gatorade for lunch.

You kiddin' me? I still (sometimes) eat that for dinner!

doglover: The main problem, and the reason vegans should be unwelcome in your home, even as emissaries of a friendly king, is that VEGETABLES ARE NOT MEAT AND YOU CAN'T SUBSTITUTE THEM FOR IT NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO YOU STUPID farkING ASSHOLES!

I don't have any problem with vegetarians, and most of the ones I've know have been pretty cool. But I can't farking stand vegans. They're smug by design. The idea of "exploiting an animal is wrong" is just stupid on the face of it. Milk is produced for the purpose of being consumed. But they don't seem to care if animals are "exploited" in other ways, such as being used as props in movies. Speaking of which, if vegans were truly concerned, they shouldn't be allowed to watch films, as celluloid contains animal protein. Nor should they be allowed to eat Jello, but I've never heard anyone ever bring this stuff up.


Any vegan who has been at it for more than a few weeks knows what Jello is made of (and confectioner's glaze, and carmine, and a bunch if other stuff you don't usually notice on food labels.)

And you are mistaken about the dairy industry merely being about "exploitation."

Vegans are simply vegetarians who realize you are kidding yourself if you think they just put the male calves of dairy cows up at a nice boarding house somewhere after they are born.
 
2013-05-01 05:35:07 AM  

Polyhazard: Vegans are simply vegetarians who realize you are kidding yourself if you think they just put the male calves of dairy cows up at a nice boarding house somewhere after they are born.


I'm sure they're used to make veal. But why waste perfectly good milk?
 
2013-05-01 05:39:55 AM  

bindlestiff2600: no clue if true
but perhaps offers a why of other peoples thinking


http://www.purifymind.com/MeatProtein.htm
Eating such enormous quantities of animal proteins has a profound effect on human behaviour. Generally in nature carnivorous animals are fierce and aggressive, while non-carnivorous ones are peaceful and sociable. Another thing that can easily be seen is the gradual reduction in aggression in human beings as they move from a diet containing large amounts of meat towards one excluding high protein foods, especially meat. It is also well known that dogs, although carnivorous in nature, keep guard and attack strangers more effectively if they are fed larger than normal meat rations. Similarly, in wartime, when men are to take part in highly risky military action, they have to be given large meat rations, so that the meat is used as a drug to develop aggression, violence and moral insensitivity.

perhaps a desire for a more placid population
(dont think thats going to work)

oh also
know who else was a vegetarian
(finally got to do that in a fark thread)


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Oh lord, that is the funniest thing I've read today. Someone should tell that to the hippopotamus, the elephant, the Cape buffalo, the moose, the elk, the domestic cow, and all those other "peaceful" herbivores who somehow manage to kill and injure more people than the ferocious violent carnivores. I also love that "Eating meat makes you a violent angry psycho!" bit, if that was the case I'd have gone insane with rage years ago.

If it wasn't for meat, humans wouldn't be humans. Our brains got to be so big mainly because we kept it fueled by eating more meat. Way to honor your ancestors, everyone who demands we as a species abandon vital food sources. Be glad that humans became intelligent enough to create machines and technology to make nutritional pills and grow massive amounts of plants to stock grocery stores with, otherwise you'd never be able to survive with that carnivore digestive system that sucks at handling anything plant-based that's not a fruit, seed, or tuber.
 
2013-05-01 05:49:25 AM  

Abacus9: Polyhazard: Vegans are simply vegetarians who realize you are kidding yourself if you think they just put the male calves of dairy cows up at a nice boarding house somewhere after they are born.

I'm sure they're used to make veal. But why waste perfectly good milk?


I'm not even vegan. Just saying, you seem to think they are less logical than ovo-lacto vegetarians-- clearly it's the other way around.

Ovo-Lacto vegetarians think they aren't hurting animals because they don't eat them, but for every hen laying eggs, there's a male "fryer" who got sorted into the "kill" pile.
 
2013-05-01 05:54:57 AM  
I tried going vegetarian in college (girlfriend... eh!) I was never so consistently sick in my life than I was that year. It was like I caught every bug that came my way.

Never again.
 
2013-05-01 05:58:29 AM  

Polyhazard: Vegans are simply vegetarians who realize you are kidding yourself if you think they just put the male calves of dairy cows up at a nice boarding house somewhere after they are born

decided to take the concept to the extreme.
 
2013-05-01 05:59:06 AM  
Listening to GNR's 'Get in the Ring' while reading this thread. Appropriate.
 
2013-05-01 06:00:35 AM  

Polyhazard: Abacus9: Polyhazard: Vegans are simply vegetarians who realize you are kidding yourself if you think they just put the male calves of dairy cows up at a nice boarding house somewhere after they are born.

I'm sure they're used to make veal. But why waste perfectly good milk?

I'm not even vegan. Just saying, you seem to think they are less logical than ovo-lacto vegetarians-- clearly it's the other way around.

Ovo-Lacto vegetarians think they aren't hurting animals because they don't eat them, but for every hen laying eggs, there's a male "fryer" who got sorted into the "kill" pile.



People have different reasons for being vegetarians. Some because they think it's morally wrong to kill an animal & eat its flesh. Others do so because eating meat has an ill effect on them. I have a close friend like that. She likes meat, poultry & fish, but has great difficulty digesting them, especially if the meat comes from hooved animals. Beef, pork, lamb, mutton & venison are almost impossible for her to digest & she's sick for days after eating just a small portion. Poultry and fish are more easily digested, though they do cause some problems. Because of this she's been a lacto-ovo vegetarian since she was a child, shortly after the problem was diagnosed. She's in her mid-40s now and has no health problems unless she eats meat.
 
2013-05-01 06:01:02 AM  

furiousxgeorge: You do the rice at the school in a rice cooker, it's as easy as using a microwave.  You get the beans in cans and rinse them off if you are afraid of additives.  It's not any less healthy than cooking from dry.  But you can do them dry in a pressure cooker or whatever if you want to. Rice and Beans is like the simplest thing to make in the world.


I heard those things were banned from schools recently.
 
2013-05-01 06:02:10 AM  

timujin: I recently ate at a vegan restaurant and was quite surprised by the food, it was every bit as good as any similar non-vegan restaurant and I would be happy to eat there regularly.


Why wouldn't it be good tasting? There is no reason at all why a meatless meal should taste like crap. Just make a combination of the right vegetables, add some herbs and spices and you've got a decent meal. If you start going into all the stuff that is supposed to replace meat while still it still looks and (attempts to) taste like meat, yeah, that might just be a bland crap.

/Eats vegetarian about once a week when I really can't be bothered to cook
 
2013-05-01 06:02:45 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: The only thing I do wonder about is that there are some kids for whom the only food they get is school meals.  In their cases, if the food isn't combined properly, there could be issues.


There had damned well better be "issues" is school lunch is the only meal a kid gets -  CPS issues!
 
2013-05-01 06:03:26 AM  

Polyhazard: Abacus9: Polyhazard: Vegans are simply vegetarians who realize you are kidding yourself if you think they just put the male calves of dairy cows up at a nice boarding house somewhere after they are born.

I'm sure they're used to make veal. But why waste perfectly good milk?

I'm not even vegan. Just saying, you seem to think they are less logical than ovo-lacto vegetarians-- clearly it's the other way around.

Actually, that's not what I was trying to say. I just meant that they are often hypocritical, and jerks about it as well. If they're going to feel so morally superior, they should actually be so, going the extra mile and never seeing a movie again.

Ovo-Lacto vegetarians think they aren't hurting animals because they don't eat them, but for every hen laying eggs, there's a male "fryer" who got sorted into the "kill" pile.

I think many ovo-lacto vegetarians choose it for many different reasons, be it moral, health, or just they don't prefer meat. Many of the ones I know were cool with cheese and milk but wouldn't touch an egg. But like I said, everyone's different.
 
2013-05-01 06:03:33 AM  
It's hilarious how most of your kids won't eat veggies... Know who to blame for that? You... Had you been feeding your kids fresh veggies instead of McD's french fries or mac-n-cheese since they were old enough to hold a spoon, they might have healthier eating habits...

My wife and I did the exact opposite, we both agreed that our kids would not live off a shiat diet. They are both old enough to order meals when we do go out and they always order veggies because *GASP* they actually like them... Which seems to shock every waitress on the planet.

And yes, my kids are healthier than yours...
 
2013-05-01 06:04:53 AM  

log_jammin: Polyhazard: Vegans are simply vegetarians who realize you are kidding yourself if you think they just put the male calves of dairy cows up at a nice boarding house somewhere after they are borndecided to take the concept to the extreme.


I used to think that, until I understood the economics of egg/dairy production.

If your reason for not eating meat is that you don't want to support the slaughter or suffering of animals, you are doing a piss-poor job of it buying even the "happy cow" milk.
 
2013-05-01 06:05:53 AM  
upto8000.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-05-01 06:09:34 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: furiousxgeorge: You do the rice at the school in a rice cooker, it's as easy as using a microwave.  You get the beans in cans and rinse them off if you are afraid of additives.  It's not any less healthy than cooking from dry.  But you can do them dry in a pressure cooker or whatever if you want to. Rice and Beans is like the simplest thing to make in the world.

I heard those things were banned from schools recently.


Of course not. You have to have a good guy with a pressure cooker to stop a bad guy with a pressure cooker.

DerAppie: timujin: I recently ate at a vegan restaurant and was quite surprised by the food, it was every bit as good as any similar non-vegan restaurant and I would be happy to eat there regularly.

Why wouldn't it be good tasting? There is no reason at all why a meatless meal should taste like crap. Just make a combination of the right vegetables, add some herbs and spices and you've got a decent meal. If you start going into all the stuff that is supposed to replace meat while still it still looks and (attempts to) taste like meat, yeah, that might just be a bland crap.

/Eats vegetarian about once a week when I really can't be bothered to cook


One of my old friends was vegetarian from the time he was 6 years old. He would always try to get me to try different vegetarian dishes that substituted something for meat, claiming "it tastes just like meat, dude!". I came to the conclusion that after awhile, vegetarians completely forget what meat tastes like. Of course, the guy eats nothing BUT meat these days.
/end CSB
 
2013-05-01 06:11:11 AM  

Polyhazard: I used to think that, until I understood the economics of egg/dairy production.

If your reason for not eating meat is that you don't want to support the slaughter or suffering of animals, you are doing a piss-poor job of it buying even the "happy cow" milk.


this comment really makes no sense.
 
2013-05-01 06:11:27 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: Polyhazard: Abacus9: Polyhazard: Vegans are simply vegetarians who realize you are kidding yourself if you think they just put the male calves of dairy cows up at a nice boarding house somewhere after they are born.

I'm sure they're used to make veal. But why waste perfectly good milk?

I'm not even vegan. Just saying, you seem to think they are less logical than ovo-lacto vegetarians-- clearly it's the other way around.

Ovo-Lacto vegetarians think they aren't hurting animals because they don't eat them, but for every hen laying eggs, there's a male "fryer" who got sorted into the "kill" pile.


People have different reasons for being vegetarians. Some because they think it's morally wrong to kill an animal & eat its flesh. Others do so because eating meat has an ill effect on them. I have a close friend like that. She likes meat, poultry & fish, but has great difficulty digesting them, especially if the meat comes from hooved animals. Beef, pork, lamb, mutton & venison are almost impossible for her to digest & she's sick for days after eating just a small portion. Poultry and fish are more easily digested, though they do cause some problems. Because of this she's been a lacto-ovo vegetarian since she was a child, shortly after the problem was diagnosed. She's in her mid-40s now and has no health problems unless she eats meat.


Sure, people have all kinds of reasons. My pet peeves are the vegetarians who think "meat is murder," but "I could never give up cheese."

/And the vegans who swap out butter for palm oil from orangutan habitat
//Goes to munch on rocks and dirt
 
2013-05-01 06:12:05 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: Don't like the school's menu? Send your kid to school with his lunch (a sloppy joe, hamburger, hot dogs).

/and don't forget the occasional PBJ to thin the herd


That's great if there's a microwave available.
 
2013-05-01 06:18:03 AM  

log_jammin: Polyhazard: I used to think that, until I understood the economics of egg/dairy production.

If your reason for not eating meat is that you don't want to support the slaughter or suffering of animals, you are doing a piss-poor job of it buying even the "happy cow" milk.

this comment really makes no sense.


I'm sorry-- Is it syntax, like you literally don't understand? Or do you just disagree with me?
 
2013-05-01 06:23:22 AM  

log_jammin: Polyhazard: I used to think that, until I understood the economics of egg/dairy production.

If your reason for not eating meat is that you don't want to support the slaughter or suffering of animals, you are doing a piss-poor job of it buying even the "happy cow" milk.

this comment really makes no sense.


My point is that egg and dairy both necessarily involve the production of non-producing animals (males.) Those male animals are sold off to be turned into meat.

So if you avoid meat because you don't support the meat industry, you aren't really opting out of that.

Make more sense?
 
2013-05-01 06:27:41 AM  

CeroX: It's hilarious how most of your kids won't eat veggies... Know who to blame for that? You... Had you been feeding your kids fresh veggies instead of McD's french fries or mac-n-cheese since they were old enough to hold a spoon, they might have healthier eating habits...

My wife and I did the exact opposite, we both agreed that our kids would not live off a shiat diet. They are both old enough to order meals when we do go out and they always order veggies because *GASP* they actually like them... Which seems to shock every waitress on the planet.

And yes, my kids are healthier than yours...


Parents fed me various veggies the moment I weaned to not-milk. As far back as I remember I never liked most of them. Potatoes I love, carrots I'll eat if it's with our homemade vegetable dip, wouldn't touch any other ones. Rarely had restaurant food for meals, too. I dislike many vegetables and chose not to eat the ones I dislike.

Guess the moral of this story is that people have personal tastes and likes and dislikes, and forcing them to do what you want them do doesn't really work.
 
2013-05-01 06:30:17 AM  

Polyhazard: I'm sorry-- Is it syntax, like you literally don't understand? Or do you just disagree with me?


I don't know if I disagree because the comment makes no sense. Your understanding of "the economics of egg/dairy production" has nothing to do with vegans or vegetarians motivations, or whether their goals are extreme or not. you also seem to be making the assumption that all vegetarians are vegetarians because they don't want animals to "suffer", which even if true, has nothing to do with my assertion that vegans took the concept of not using animal products to an extreme.
 
2013-05-01 06:33:47 AM  

Polyhazard: So if you avoid meat because you don't support the meat industry, you aren't really opting out of that.



which, again, has nothing to do with whether or not vegans took a concept(don't eat animals) to an extreme(don't use any animal products EVER).
 
2013-05-01 06:39:15 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: There's some, but not enough to keep someone healthy. Carnivores produce vitamin c within their bodies to make up for what they don't get in their diets, but humans rely entirely on their diet to get it.


Wtf?  I don't understand this argument at all, most animals of all kinds produce vitamin C, including herbivores.  That is like saying we shouldn't eat veggies because cows produce their own vitamin C.

The gene that code the production of Vitamin C is broken in (most) primates, which are omnivorous.  Not to mention there is enough Vitamin C in the organ meats of animals to sustain a human.  Getting it from liver is less efficient from plants, but totally doable.  Key is we are omnivores.
 
2013-05-01 06:46:04 AM  

Fallout Boy: Repeated scientific studies have shown that Americans have way too much meat in their diet, overestimate how much meat they need in their diet, and how that is contributing to epidemic illnesses such as heart diseases. But that cant be right. Sounds too scientifically and too Un-American.


Is that the same scientific community that once told us that eggs were bad for us, that if we ate them
more than once in a blue moon our cholesterol would skyrocket to freakish proportions and we would
asplode, but is now telling us that they are healthy for us?

Found an interesting site on how federal food guidelines have changed over the decades. Have a
look:  http://thecoexistcafe.com/2012/03/food-pyramids-throughout-the-decade s /
 
2013-05-01 06:46:14 AM  

Bucky Katt: the meat myth strikes again


Don't let facts get in the way of derp...

/from a pro-vegetarian source.
 
2013-05-01 06:53:51 AM  

log_jammin: Polyhazard: I'm sorry-- Is it syntax, like you literally don't understand? Or do you just disagree with me?

I don't know if I disagree because the comment makes no sense. Your understanding of "the economics of egg/dairy production" has nothing to do with vegans or vegetarians motivations, or whether their goals are extreme or not. you also seem to be making the assumption that all vegetarians are vegetarians because they don't want animals to "suffer", which even if true, has nothing to do with my assertion that vegans took the concept of not using animal products to an extreme.


I certainly not making the assumption that all vegetarians have the same motivations (hence "if.")

I do think ethical ovo-lacto vegetarians are half-assing it, rather than vegans being "extreme." If (again if) you've decided that you have an ethical responsibility not to eat meat, why ignore the fact that animal slaughter is a consequence of cheese production?
 
2013-05-01 06:54:30 AM  

Abacus9: One of my old friends was vegetarian from the time he was 6 years old. He would always try to get me to try different vegetarian dishes that substituted something for meat, claiming "it tastes just like meat, dude!". I came to the conclusion that after awhile, vegetarians completely forget what meat tastes like. Of course, the guy eats nothing BUT meat these days.
/end CSB


I think that artificial meat substitute is the worst disservice anyone has ever done to vegetarianism as a whole. Instead of thinking of people choosing to eat nice vegetable dishes people now think of vegetarians as people who eat bland pseudo-meat along with equally bland meals.
 
2013-05-01 06:55:18 AM  

ongbok: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: ongbok: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Fun Dumpster: I'll stay away from the normal meat vs veggie derp, but I'd be curious to see how this public school manages to maintain this when school budgets in New York are already stretched to the breaking point.  Where are they finding the funding to continuously bring in the full veggie menu.  What quality of produce do they intend to use?  I understand that there may be some economy of scale at play, but how are they able to make a nutritionally viable meal on the traditionally meager budget assigned to school lunches?

I'm assuming they're going to be using a lot of refined grains and processed soy instead of fresh, local, seasonal produce. Which is a shame, if true.

What school cafeteria uses fresh, local seasonal produce now? They will use Sysco or Aramark products like every other school district.

Then why eliminate meat at all f you're just going to replace it with less healthy alternatives?

Just because it isn't fresh locally grown produce doesn't mean that it is unhealthy. That giant can of green beans may not be as healthy as fresh green beans, but they will provide the necessary nutrients and isn't unhealthy. Plus providing them with a meat free lunch will probably give them more energy in the afternoon and they will have less of the itis than if they were eating meat.


actually, no... that is not correct. the process of canning/cooking destroys some essential nutrients as well as other good things within the fruit/vegetable in question. there are actually very few vegetables that benefit from cooking (from a nutritional standpoint), and green beans is not one of them. fresh is almost always better, but generally unpalatable to the general population.
 
2013-05-01 06:56:15 AM  

Skr: Hmm... gas can get pretty bad on an all vegetarian diet.


wait... did we just solve the energy crisis?
 
2013-05-01 07:03:32 AM  

Polyhazard: (hence "if.")


Polyhazard: (again if)


yet you're framing everything you say on only one side of that "if".

Polyhazard: rather than vegans being "extreme.


i didn't call them extreme. again... they took a concept(don't eat animals) and took that concept to an extreme(don't use any animal products EVER).
 
2013-05-01 07:05:13 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: There had damned well better be "issues" is school lunch is the only meal a kid gets -  CPS issues


You have no idea. That is really, really common.
 
2013-05-01 07:07:16 AM  

log_jammin: Polyhazard: (hence "if.")

Polyhazard: (again if)

yet you're framing everything you say on only one side of that "if".

Polyhazard: rather than vegans being "extreme.

i didn't call them extreme. again... they took a concept(don't eat animals) and took that concept to an extreme(don't use any animal products EVER).


Then we're arguing about nothing. I'm glad we both got a chance to take the time for this exchange.
 
2013-05-01 07:12:07 AM  

Polyhazard: Then we're arguing about nothing. I'm glad we both got a chance to take the time for this exchange.


assumptions and not fully reading what a person actually said will do that.
 
2013-05-01 07:27:58 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Skr: Hmm... gas can get pretty bad on an all vegetarian diet.

wait... did we just solve the energy crisis?


No but we're accelerating climate change with all the methane.
 
2013-05-01 07:32:47 AM  
My friend the Skeptic RD is gonna love this one. You're going to find all those kids that have soy allergies in a hurry.

Actually, they could being going with Textured Soy Protein and MSG to make meat substitute. Just about as bad as you can get. I can put together vegetarian diets that'll pack on the fat.

The healthiest thing would be to cut the starches and go with lean meats. Less processed foods are my favorite thing, a via negativa approach.
 
2013-05-01 07:34:18 AM  
So you think they'd get mad if I sent my kid to school with a 5lbs bag of mini sausage links and told them to sell them for $0.50/each?
The black market value for those has got to be ridiculous in that school.
 
2013-05-01 07:37:48 AM  

wildcardjack: My friend the Skeptic RD is gonna love this one. You're going to find all those kids that have soy allergies in a hurry.

Actually, they could being going with Textured Soy Protein and MSG to make meat substitute. Just about as bad as you can get. I can put together vegetarian diets that'll pack on the fat.

The healthiest thing would be to cut the starches and go with lean meats. Less processed foods are my favorite thing, a via negativa approach.


They basically just exchanged one set of junk food for another.
 
2013-05-01 07:43:04 AM  
Might be a good way to keep the little shiats alert in the afternoon. Midday meat makes people sleepy.
 
2013-05-01 07:43:46 AM  

wildcardjack: My friend the Skeptic RD is gonna love this one. You're going to find all those kids that have soy allergies in a hurry.


Just started browsing your link as well, it is pretty interesting and lines up pretty well from what I've learned in the last few years.
 
2013-05-01 07:44:08 AM  
Life is suffering, death is inevitable, and changing what you eat will not stop this.
 
2013-05-01 07:46:32 AM  

moothemagiccow: Life is suffering, death is inevitable, and changing what you eat will not stop this.


I don't think immortality is the goal.
 
2013-05-01 07:57:46 AM  
The kids will be happy to go from healthy to hipster.
 
2013-05-01 08:00:22 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: ongbok: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: ongbok: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Fun Dumpster: I'll stay away from the normal meat vs veggie derp, but I'd be curious to see how this public school manages to maintain this when school budgets in New York are already stretched to the breaking point.  Where are they finding the funding to continuously bring in the full veggie menu.  What quality of produce do they intend to use?  I understand that there may be some economy of scale at play, but how are they able to make a nutritionally viable meal on the traditionally meager budget assigned to school lunches?

I'm assuming they're going to be using a lot of refined grains and processed soy instead of fresh, local, seasonal produce. Which is a shame, if true.

What school cafeteria uses fresh, local seasonal produce now? They will use Sysco or Aramark products like every other school district.

Then why eliminate meat at all f you're just going to replace it with less healthy alternatives?

Just because it isn't fresh locally grown produce doesn't mean that it is unhealthy. That giant can of green beans may not be as healthy as fresh green beans, but they will provide the necessary nutrients and isn't unhealthy. Plus providing them with a meat free lunch will probably give them more energy in the afternoon and they will have less of the itis than if they were eating meat.

actually, no... that is not correct. the process of canning/cooking destroys some essential nutrients as well as other good things within the fruit/vegetable in question. there are actually very few vegetables that benefit from cooking (from a nutritional standpoint), and green beans is not one of them. fresh is almost always better, but generally unpalatable to the general population.


So you are just repeating what I just said. That canned vegetables may not be as healthy as fresh ones, but they are not unhealthy.
 
2013-05-01 08:06:50 AM  

DerAppie: Abacus9: One of my old friends was vegetarian from the time he was 6 years old. He would always try to get me to try different vegetarian dishes that substituted something for meat, claiming "it tastes just like meat, dude!". I came to the conclusion that after awhile, vegetarians completely forget what meat tastes like. Of course, the guy eats nothing BUT meat these days.
/end CSB

I think that artificial meat substitute is the worst disservice anyone has ever done to vegetarianism as a whole. Instead of thinking of people choosing to eat nice vegetable dishes people now think of vegetarians as people who eat bland pseudo-meat along with equally bland meals.


I'm with you on that one.  Veggies can be mighty tasty, if prepared well.  No need to pretend that they're meat.  I'd rather throw some pepper and onion skewers on a grill than that any of that Boca Burger nonsense.
 
2013-05-01 08:10:32 AM  

Gyrfalcon: The problem with a proper vegetarian diet is that 99.5% of elementary school kids wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot hot dog. All this means is more school lunches in the trash can, and more kids eating Extra-Spicy Cheetohs and Gatorade for lunch. But hey, keep on trying to promote those healthful eating habits.


Yeah, I've got to think that this is the end game.
 
2013-05-01 08:15:21 AM  
Another example of the minority dictating to the majority......WAKE the FARK up people......or in 10 years we'll all be malnourished fake cheese/fake meat/ fake everything eating liberals!!!

//and we'll all be either gay or bi
 
2013-05-01 08:15:32 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: Don't like the school's menu? Send your kid to school with his lunch (a sloppy joe, hamburger, hot dogs).

/and don't forget the occasional PBJ to thin the herd


THIS
 
2013-05-01 08:20:49 AM  
who gives a shiat, it's NYC
 
2013-05-01 08:27:38 AM  
I hate vegetables with a fiery passion that will never die. Always have. My diet consists of mostly breakfast cereal, pizza, and cheeseburgers.

That said, I can't remember ever having meat in a school lunch in all my years.

Not sure if I had a point to make.

Nope. No, I did not.
 
2013-05-01 08:29:00 AM  

doglover: The problem with the proper vegetarian diet isn't that it lacks in any way the necessities of life. And skipping meat once a day never hurt anyone.

The main problem, and the reason vegans should be unwelcome in your home, even as emissaries of a friendly king, is that VEGETABLES ARE NOT MEAT AND YOU CAN'T SUBSTITUTE THEM FOR IT NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO YOU STUPID farkING ASSHOLES!


Cool Trolling, Bro! *thumbsupsmilie*
 
2013-05-01 08:29:15 AM  

FDR Jones: I hate vegetables with a fiery passion that will never die. Always have. My diet consists of mostly breakfast cereal, pizza, and cheeseburgers.


Damn man, doesn't your colon hurt?
 
2013-05-01 08:36:58 AM  
SOAPBOX WARNING:

I'm not going to get too much into the debate of vegetarian vs meat, because i am an omnivore and i do eat meat, but from an anthropological look on hunter-gatherer (forager) peoples of the ancient past, and even the very few remaining forager peoples that have survived to today's modern world, there is a radical difference in the diets based on cultural roles.

Traditionally, while all members of the society ate meat, nuts, berries, plants, etc, the ratio of these meals were based primarily on the roles of the individuals in the village.

The following statistics are based from memory and from anthropological agriculture classes taken over ten years ago, so take this info as you will, but the numbers shouldn't be too off... Also keep in mind this is before agriculture, more than 10,000 years ago, and before people herded animals or planted crops...

Roll - meal ratio:
Hunter/Warrior - 50% meat, 20% Root, 10% Fruit, 10% Leaf, 10% Other (Veg, Bean, Bugs, Nuts, etc)
Gatherer - 30% Nuts, 20% Fruit, 20% Root, 10% Leaf, 10% Meat, 10% Other
Children over 5 - Similar to gatherer, as they performed that role with the mothers
Children under 5 - Mostly Fruit and Mother's Milk (If i remember correctly they didn't ween for quite some time)
Crafters - Similar numbers to gatherers but i believe they had a higher nut intake
Elderly - Similar to gatherers but with more plants and less nuts and meat

So diet was based mostly on activity level. Those who had a higher level of activity would need more protein. But those with less active lives required less protein. Hunters back then may have walked/ran 20 miles a day to procure food, so when they returned, they got the biggest portion of the bounty. In Europe and N America, the main diet for the gatherers was acorn. Acorn was so plenty, that it was the main staple for most primitive Europeans, N Americans, and Eastern Russian areas...

From an anthropological point, homo sapiens have been around 100,000 years or so, agriculture has only been around for about 10,000 years, so 90% of human evolution is based around an environment of foraging. For about 9,900 we had agriculture that had some very basic technology and still required a high level of energy to maintain, from animal husbandry, to crop maintenance, roles changed, and meat became a resource for the wealthy, so to supplement protein needs, legumes were the primary source of protein for the poor.

The issue with obesity in American and parts of Europe today isn't with "meat" or "grains" or even "carbs", the problem is with refinement. There is absolutely nothing wrong with sugar cane, but when a green fibrous plant is refined to a white powder, it is far away from the whole plant, which is what our ancestors ate. A hamburger might be meat, but it has been pre-chewed by machinery hundreds of times over (and laden with other stuff [pink slurry?]) that it is easier for our bodies to absorb and is far away from steak. Flour has gone from being protein and fiber rich, to being processed down to again, a pure white powder. The typical Western diet in the last 100 years has become calorie dense and nutritionally deficient. The human body knows what it needs to live, and when it is deprived of that, it tells the brain to eat more so it can get that, but since western foods are more caloric dense than ancient foods or even traditional foods of the East, then the ratio of calories to nutrition is horribly unbalanced. Our bodies are starving for nutrition, but we instead feed it more calories... And in the last 50 years, Western jobs and lifestyles are transitioning to sedentary far more than in the past.

Soapbox advice: Take some cues from our ancestors, eat according to your activity level. If you have high activity, then you probably don't need to worry about processed foods or how much meat you eat, but if you work in an office behind a desk for 8+ hours a day, then you should seriously consider making 80% or more of your diet whole plants. Whole plants being non-refined, non-factory processed fruits, veggies, legumes, and nuts. An inactive body only needs something like 9% protein daily intake, but eating 50% meat also means eating more calories than your are expending... and refined sugars, refined carbs, and even refined meat means you are taking in WAY more calories than you are putting out...
 
2013-05-01 08:45:12 AM  
images2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-05-01 08:53:41 AM  

ongbok: My lunches during the week consist mostly of vegetables, beans or pasta and fruit. I rarely ever eat meat during the week for lunch. I have found that since doing this for lunch I have more energy after lunch than I did when I would eat meat at lunch and don't get the groggy feeling after lunch that I used to get.


You sure you didn't cut out processed carbs?  I rarely eat carbs and if I eat a lot of them, it's certain to bring on an insulin spike and trigger sleepy time.  A piece of fruit like an apple won't have the same effect.
 
2013-05-01 08:56:20 AM  
a. A quesadilla is not fried cheese. It is a tortilla you put stuff in (cheese and vegetables if you are a vegetarian) and cook in a pan. No oil or frying is required.

b. Sounds like they will save an assload of money by not buying meat.

c. IF you keep offering foods to kids, they will eventually try some of them. Also, really vegetarian food isn't kid friendly? Peanut butter and jelly? Scrambled eggs? Carrots and celery? Spaghetti? (without meat) Those little sticks of cheese and those (teribble and unhealthy) packets of drinkable yogurt? Crackers, rice cereal? Other than chicken nuggets and hot dogs what meats do kids particularly love????

I eat [a little] meat every day, but I get more protein from the yogurt I eat.
 
2013-05-01 08:58:56 AM  
The methane levels at that school will be off the chart!
 
2013-05-01 09:00:22 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: FDR Jones: I hate vegetables with a fiery passion that will never die. Always have. My diet consists of mostly breakfast cereal, pizza, and cheeseburgers.

Damn man, doesn't your colon hurt?


Nah man, I'm good. Iron constitution.
 
2013-05-01 09:02:24 AM  

Slartibartfaster: doglover: The problem with the proper vegetarian diet isn't that it lacks in any way the necessities of life. And skipping meat once a day never hurt anyone.

The main problem, and the reason vegans should be unwelcome in your home, even as emissaries of a friendly king, is that VEGETABLES ARE NOT MEAT AND YOU CAN'T SUBSTITUTE THEM FOR IT NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO YOU STUPID farkING ASSHOLES!

True (not really)

I cannot tell you how much I really really enjoyed tasting a local meat.
Golden retriever, kinda salty but very tender

// tasty tasty dog meat, mmm I love it
/ for reference yes you can substitute meat with vegetables, most of the world populations are vegetarian you farking ignorant dickwad


No, you can't properly substitute vegetables for meat.
Tofurky is farking disgusting. If I want meat, I eat meat. If I want to eat vegetables I eat them. And if I'm not grilling or roasting them I tend to seek out recipes that play them up. Curry sets off vegetables wonderfully.
Steaming vegetables is boring.
 
2013-05-01 09:10:55 AM  
So meat is so bad now, it cannot even be offered to the kids as an alternative to the vegetables?  Having an veggie option is one thing, but banning meat completely is ridiculous.
 
2013-05-01 09:11:14 AM  

FDR Jones: HotWingConspiracy: FDR Jones: I hate vegetables with a fiery passion that will never die. Always have. My diet consists of mostly breakfast cereal, pizza, and cheeseburgers.

Damn man, doesn't your colon hurt?

Nah man, I'm good. Iron constitution.


how often do you get to poop? once a week? i bet it's once a week and when you finally get to, you have to hold the handle bars and give birth to a several pound poop baby...
 
2013-05-01 09:11:53 AM  

SlothB77: So meat is so bad now, it cannot even be offered to the kids as an alternative to the vegetables?  Having an veggie option is one thing, but banning meat completely is ridiculous.


have you seen the quality of "meat" in schools? i'm thinking this isn't a bad thing...
 
2013-05-01 09:14:54 AM  
Principal Robert Groff said Tuesday the kids gravitated toward veggie offerings.

That is 100% bull farking shiat.
 
2013-05-01 09:17:35 AM  

CeroX: have you seen the quality of "meat" in schools? i'm thinking this isn't a bad thing...


meh, stuff like the chicken fingers are usually solid.
 
2013-05-01 09:20:17 AM  

CeroX: FDR Jones: HotWingConspiracy: FDR Jones: I hate vegetables with a fiery passion that will never die. Always have. My diet consists of mostly breakfast cereal, pizza, and cheeseburgers.

Damn man, doesn't your colon hurt?

Nah man, I'm good. Iron constitution.

how often do you get to poop? once a week? i bet it's once a week and when you finally get to, you have to hold the handle bars and give birth to a several pound poop baby...


I forgot to mention all the coca cola I drink... A liter or two of that stuff flushes you right out
 
2013-05-01 09:30:39 AM  
just another reason to move to NYC.  cheaper than buying estrogen shots for your sons so they turn out gay
 
2013-05-01 09:33:22 AM  
They should make those kids have a garden, and grow their own food.  If they want meat, then they have to cut the cows throat!

/fur is murder!
 
2013-05-01 09:41:06 AM  

SlothB77: CeroX: have you seen the quality of "meat" in schools? i'm thinking this isn't a bad thing...

meh, stuff like the chicken fingers are usually solid.


If by "solid" you mean "like a breaded sponge", then I agree.
 
2013-05-01 09:42:43 AM  

90supraT: Gyrfalcon: doglover: The problem with the proper vegetarian diet isn't that it lacks in any way the necessities of life. And skipping meat once a day never hurt anyone.

The main problem, and the reason vegans should be unwelcome in your home, even as emissaries of a friendly king, is that VEGETABLES ARE NOT MEAT AND YOU CAN'T SUBSTITUTE THEM FOR IT NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO YOU STUPID farkING ASSHOLES!

The problem with a proper vegetarian diet is that 99.5% of elementary school kids wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot hot dog. All this means is more school lunches in the trash can, and more kids eating Extra-Spicy Cheetohs and Gatorade for lunch. But hey, keep on trying to promote those healthful eating habits.

Well fark, kids these days could stand to miss a meal. And kids will eat healthy if that is the option, they will not (more than likely) starve themselves. And it's not like those things taste gross, its just not processed shiat.


with the recession being what it is I certainly hope it's not their only meal. it's possible these days.
 
2013-05-01 09:44:35 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: Don't like the school's menu? Send your kid to school with his lunch (a sloppy joe, hamburger, hot dogs).

/and don't forget the occasional PBJ to thin the herd


Yep.  If you depend on the government to feed your kids you have failed.
 
2013-05-01 09:45:41 AM  

SlothB77: CeroX: have you seen the quality of "meat" in schools? i'm thinking this isn't a bad thing...

meh, stuff like the chicken fingers are usually solid.


except they are fried in hydrogenated oils...

I mean i hate to be the debbie downer here, but schools are required by federal regulations to provide a minimum amount of calories (although there is a bill that is in the works to alter meals towards better nutrition, instead of calorie count or pyramids), and unfortunately this means that cheaper, more caloric dense foods tend to get put on the menu over healthier and nutrient rich foods. And thanks to the fast food lobbies and potato farmer lobbies, garbage like pizza sauce and french fries are now considered vegetables in school lunches because the guidelines focus more on "building blocks" rather than nutrition. The proposal in washington is getting a lot push back from big food lobbies because it focuses on providing kids with better quality nutrition over the current guidelines. School Lunches are BIG business to food companies, and this act threatens their profit margins, so you will likely see a crap ton of underhanded studies and reports about stuff going on soon if this thing gets through congress...
 
2013-05-01 09:46:13 AM  

wildcardjack: My friend the Skeptic RD is gonna love this one. You're going to find all those kids that have soy allergies in a hurry.

Actually, they could being going with Textured Soy Protein and MSG to make meat substitute. Just about as bad as you can get. I can put together vegetarian diets that'll pack on the fat.

The healthiest thing would be to cut the starches and go with lean meats. Less processed foods are my favorite thing, a via negativa approach.


I'm consuming your link and forwarding it to my dad. Thank you.
 
2013-05-01 09:52:05 AM  
Not a bad idea, especially given the grade of meat that is sold to public schools.  Trust me, it's generally just a cut below dog food.
 
2013-05-01 10:18:02 AM  

ZeroPly: Benevolent Misanthrope: OK, all you folks who say how this is great, and vegetarianism doesn't mean they won't get complete proteins...

This is the US Public Education system.  These people think ketchup is a farking vegetable.  They fire people for making more nutritious meals that don't follow the rules of buying pre-processed food from approved suppliers.  Do you really think they are capable of combining foods properly for proper nutrition now?  How do you think they're going to do with vegetarianism?

1. About a million eyes are watching them right now, waiting for them to make a mistake.
2. See #1.


this is not the first time this has been done.  http://www.parentdish.com/2009/08/26/more-school-lunches-going-vegeta r ian/

hopefully people won't be as retarded about protein as the intentional trolls in the thread, but you never know.
 
2013-05-01 10:27:25 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: just another reason to move to NYC.  cheaper than buying estrogen shots for your sons so they turn out gay


I hate to feed the troll but...

Why then are so many red blooded 'real muricans'  having so many homosexual sons and daughters then? One would assume that in their households they serve lots of meat and soy is considered a bad word.
 
2013-05-01 10:27:58 AM  
To everyone saying "so what if they miss meat at one meal," what about the kids on free lunches? When I was little, there were a few who pretty much counted on school lunch as their only good meal of the day. Of course, this was down south. Everyone knows only southerners are poor.
 
2013-05-01 10:29:08 AM  
*cough*
Money problems
*cough*

Meat is expensive comparatively...I smell a budget issue under the guise of "nutritional."
 
2013-05-01 10:43:50 AM  
"Principal Robert Groff said Tuesday the kids gravitated toward veggie offerings, including black beans and cheddar quesadillas served with salsa and roasted potatoes."

I call bullshiat on that statement.  As would anyone who has ever met a child.
 
2013-05-01 10:47:38 AM  

kitsuneymg: To everyone saying "so what if they miss meat at one meal," what about the kids on free lunches? When I was little, there were a few who pretty much counted on school lunch as their only good meal of the day. Of course, this was down south. Everyone knows only southerners are poor.


And then there are the kids with health nut parents, who have to rely on contraband outside food as their only source of protein, fat, calcium and calories:
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/09/a-vegan-tale/
 
2013-05-01 10:58:55 AM  
The problem with this isnt the concept, itl be the execution, the schools gonna wind up serving them a cheese quesedilla with a side of canned corn and tater tots. Because this is america and corn and potatoes are vegetables damnit.
 
2013-05-01 11:18:44 AM  
Well... I didn't think about this earlier... What are the demographics? Is this a hipster thing?

P.S. 244 Richard R Green

Pertinent points
96% black
73% eligible for free lunch
10% eligible for reduced lunch.
 
2013-05-01 11:26:46 AM  

bindlestiff2600: Eating such enormous quantities of animal proteins has a profound effect on human behaviour. Generally in nature carnivorous animals are fierce and aggressive, while non-carnivorous ones are peaceful and sociable. Another thing that can easily be seen is the gradual reduction in aggression in human beings as they move from a diet containing large amounts of meat towards one excluding high protein foods, especially meat. It is also well known that dogs, although carnivorous in nature, keep guard and attack strangers more effectively if they are fed larger than normal meat rations. Similarly, in wartime, when men are to take part in highly risky military action, they have to be given large meat rations, so that the meat is used as a drug to develop aggression, violence and moral insensitivity.


Holy hell this is a pile.

1)  What study shows eating meat makes humans aggressive?

2)  Carnivores are aggressive because they kill and eat things; herbivores can't get that much energy that fast to hunt, and generally have more of a need to survive than to eat.  Fighting and winning requires the ability to kill a predator reliably, which is a huge energy sink to maintain; this is a win if you can eat it, but if not then you're just burning energy fighting and healing (yeah you're gonna get bit/scratched/cut) and also risking injury or death, when you could just run the hell away.

3)  I've never seen this behavior in humans, becoming less aggressive as they move to vegetables.  Vegans are less physical to begin with; but I've seen rather aggressive vegans and vegetarians.  Violence is semi-decoupled from aggression, and seems to not correlate either.

4)  It's well-known feeding dogs raw meat doesn't make them aggressive--this is a common-held myth that has been explored.  Meat is higher energy density, thus higher value.  Give your dog a chunk of meat and he'll be a LOT more protective of it than if you give him a bowl of kibble.

5)  Meat, fat, etc are high-energy foods, thus take less room to store and are easier to ship.  Perfect wartime food.
 
2013-05-01 11:28:32 AM  

wildcardjack: Well... I didn't think about this earlier... What are the demographics? Is this a hipster thing?

P.S. 244 Richard R Green

Pertinent points
96% black
73% eligible for free lunch
10% eligible for reduced lunch.


Further supporting my hypothesis of money problems.
 
2013-05-01 11:29:26 AM  

painless42: For this to be an actual debate on the merits of a vegetarian achool lunch, you must first presuppose that the hamburgers, pepperoni pizza and beef tacos served in the traditional public school hot lunch contain meat.... from actual cows and pigs..... having eaten that for 12 years, I'm not sure I'm willing to go that far out on a limb.


I wouldn't disagree with you.

24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-05-01 11:43:15 AM  
Lol, I'd send my kids to school every day with smoked pork chops or smoked chicken so that as soon as they opened their lunch boxes everyone in there would be smelling it and drooling.  Then we'd set up a barter system.
 
2013-05-01 11:47:55 AM  

kitsuneymg: To everyone saying "so what if they miss meat at one meal," what about the kids on free lunches? When I was little, there were a few who pretty much counted on school lunch as their only good meal of the day. Of course, this was down south. Everyone knows only southerners are poor.


Meat doesn't provide anything that can't be provided by lacto-ovo diet, which is what is being provided. So there's no danger of malnutrition besides the whole "not getting food at home" part.
 
2013-05-01 11:54:57 AM  
Kids won't eat it if it tastes like shiat.

That is all.
 
2013-05-01 11:59:27 AM  

RodneyToady: Yes, because if you're not eating meat at every single meal, you're going to stunt your growth.


www.shelterpub.com

www.ecorazzi.com

veggietestimonial.peta.org

I look forward to you FARKers making "wimpy vegetarian" jokes to any of these guys' faces.
 
2013-05-01 12:03:16 PM  

NephilimNexus: RodneyToady: Yes, because if you're not eating meat at every single meal, you're going to stunt your growth.

[www.shelterpub.com image 410x566]

[www.ecorazzi.com image 620x386]

[veggietestimonial.peta.org image 455x600]

I look forward to you FARKers making "wimpy vegetarian" jokes to any of these guys' faces.


Why?  Has their vegetarian diets warped their brains so that their only response would be animalistic violence?
 
2013-05-01 12:05:55 PM  
i970.photobucket.com

Wait until you meet an obese person who is confused about why they're still obese despite their "vegetarian" diet (which includes two boxes of Kraft mac & cheese for lunch every day).
 
2013-05-01 12:13:44 PM  
kingoffire.com
 
2013-05-01 12:19:47 PM  

furiousxgeorge: Benevolent Misanthrope: furiousxgeorge: Benevolent Misanthrope: I contend that if they can't buy them pre-processed from an approved supplier with business deals with the district, pre-made, heat-n-eat, it's not going to work. It may be good for a little while. But eventually those kids are going to be no better off, or perhaps worse off than before, for nutrition.

What exactly are you suggesting the processing is removing from the rice and beans, nutrition wise?

Adding.  Salt, preservatives, etc.  It's the diference between starting from dry beans and rice, and buying Vigo black beans and rice mix.  Which do you think is better for them?

Oh God, preservatives hysteria.  Just shut up.  You are going to be adding salt to rice and beans even if you cook it from dry.

You do the rice at the school in a rice cooker, it's as easy as using a microwave.  You get the beans in cans and rinse them off if you are afraid of additives.  It's not any less healthy than cooking from dry.  But you can do them dry in a pressure cooker or whatever if you want to. Rice and Beans is like the simplest thing to make in the world.


Yeah, rising them of totally washes all those BPA's from the can lining off them. Totally the 100% exact same thing as making them from dry.

http://www.treehugger.com/green-food/7-companies-you-can-trust-to-us e- bpa-free-cans.html

Used to buy the cans of refried beans but then we stopped when we realized just how easy it is to make your own. They also make the house smell delicious and you can freeze the leftovers in glassware for a quick mexican dinner night side dish using Tofurkey Chorizo which is surprisingly tasty.
 
2013-05-01 12:20:22 PM  
Lot of people with food issues in this thread.
 
2013-05-01 01:05:51 PM  
If the school planned it so they're properly balancing the proteins, okay, whatever. Faddish and stupid, since you can give kids meat and the world won't end, but whatever.

I highly doubt the school is going to actually serve healthy food. Fried plants are not healthy, even if you can slap the 'vegan' label on it.
 
2013-05-01 01:41:29 PM  

DerAppie: timujin: I recently ate at a vegan restaurant and was quite surprised by the food, it was every bit as good as any similar non-vegan restaurant and I would be happy to eat there regularly.

Why wouldn't it be good tasting? There is no reason at all why a meatless meal should taste like crap. Just make a combination of the right vegetables, add some herbs and spices and you've got a decent meal. If you start going into all the stuff that is supposed to replace meat while still it still looks and (attempts to) taste like meat, yeah, that might just be a bland crap.

/Eats vegetarian about once a week when I really can't be bothered to cook


It was the fake meat that surprised me, sorry if I didn't make that clear enough.  Of course vegetables and things made from them taste good, they're just as good sitting next to my steak as they are without the steak there.  But their other stuff, which I believe was "chick'un", was what was surprisingly good.
 
2013-05-01 01:59:56 PM  
I bet that high estrogen level in young boys will be fun.

Enjoy having male children with moobs and tiny wangs.
 
2013-05-01 02:18:50 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Gilligann: I don't understand the outrage.

Does it matter if they have one or two meals a day that don't contain meat?
Are these kids not allowed to eat meat at home?

What outrage?


Did you read any other post but mine?
 
2013-05-01 02:34:46 PM  

leevis: ArcadianRefugee: Don't like the school's menu? Send your kid to school with his lunch (a sloppy joe, hamburger, hot dogs).

/and don't forget the occasional PBJ to thin the herd

That's great if there's a microwave available.


Fine. How about sandwiches? Chicken salad, deli meats.... Maybe some chicken legs; those are still yummy without reheating.

Point is: fark the school. Even when they do serve meats, it's nasty shiat anyway. School lunches are a last resort, a "I forgot my lunch at home / on the bus" type thing. Unless you are poor and are on a free lunch thing, in which case shut up and eat what you are given.
 
2013-05-01 02:45:12 PM  

Genju: I bet that high estrogen level in young boys will be fun.

Enjoy having male children with moobs and tiny wangs.


Just give the girls veggie meals, and the boys burgers. Problem solved...deliciously.
 
2013-05-01 03:00:38 PM  
If I was a parent there, I would sue the school for back-child support. They want to tell me how to raise them, they get to pay for shelter, food, clothing, daycare....
 
2013-05-01 03:32:03 PM  
theadriennegaleexperience.files.wordpress.com

Approves
 
2013-05-01 03:36:32 PM  

Genju: I bet that high estrogen level in young boys will be fun.

Enjoy having male children with moobs and tiny wangs.


Dumbass, did you even read TFA you linked?  That dude was drinking 3 quarts of soy milk a day.  Excess consumption of anything is bad.
 
2013-05-01 03:59:26 PM  

ZeroPly: vegetarian Indians.


right. and instead of buffalo they used the hides of ...?? potatoes? beets? corn husks?

were it not for the indian and their love of buffalo how would be have that all time favorite "buffalo wings"?
 
2013-05-01 04:21:36 PM  

FDR Jones: I hate vegetables with a fiery passion that will never die. Always have. My diet consists of mostly breakfast cereal, pizza, and cheeseburgers.

That said, I can't remember ever having meat in a school lunch in all my years.

Not sure if I had a point to make.

Nope. No, I did not.


Good luck with that.  I once knew this woman, super kind, generous, funny and generally in good cheer.  She used to tell me the same thing. "I just don't like vegetables".  Amazed that can I enjoy a meal with out eating meat and fish.  I say I used to know her because she's dead now.  Dead in her early 50's from complications due to diabetes and heart failure.

/ssb
 
2013-05-01 04:41:16 PM  
Your kid wants steak. I know I do.
 
2013-05-01 05:32:07 PM  

Peki: my herniated disc: a pressure cooker.

godam phone

Hmm. . . would those even be allowed in schools? They are WMDs.

/the more you know


//not serious, not serious! please don't hurt me.


I was on my iphone and my message submitted somehow before I finished it...

I meant, cook beans and rice in a pressure cooker!

fast, delicious and dirt cheap, perfect for a school.

I didnt even know pressure cookers could be used as a bomb until the boston bombing. :(
 
2013-05-01 07:34:32 PM  

Curious: ZeroPly: vegetarian Indians.

right. and instead of buffalo they used the hides of ...?? potatoes? beets? corn husks?

were it not for the indian and their love of buffalo how would be have that all time favorite "buffalo wings"?


Dot Indian, not feather Indian.

my herniated disc: I was on my iphone and my message submitted somehow before I finished it...


I have an ipad that absolutely despises the Fark interface, so I get errors like that a lot.

my herniated disc: I didnt even know pressure cookers could be used as a bomb until the boston bombing. :(


I watched McGuyver as a kid. I pretty much assume you can make a bomb outta damn near anything.
 
2013-05-01 09:56:10 PM  

ongbok: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Fun Dumpster: I'll stay away from the normal meat vs veggie derp, but I'd be curious to see how this public school manages to maintain this when school budgets in New York are already stretched to the breaking point.  Where are they finding the funding to continuously bring in the full veggie menu.  What quality of produce do they intend to use?  I understand that there may be some economy of scale at play, but how are they able to make a nutritionally viable meal on the traditionally meager budget assigned to school lunches?

I'm assuming they're going to be using a lot of refined grains and processed soy instead of fresh, local, seasonal produce. Which is a shame, if true.

What school cafeteria uses fresh, local seasonal produce now? They will use Sysco or Aramark products like every other school district.


Not all. Some schools grow their own food.

http://salidacitizen.com/2013/03/hoop-house-to-be-installed-for-sali da -garden-to-cafeteria-program/

Not sure if they have all veggies meals. This one doesn't but at least some are trying. There is something to be said for that.

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Salida-Union-schools-eat-up-healt hy -lunches-2311005.php

Back in my day in HS the only way to make the burger edible was to pour the salad over it. Maybe that was the plan. I got my veggies that way.

/eats mostly salads for lunch
//not a veggie
 
2013-05-01 10:03:04 PM  

Slartibartfaster: / for reference yes you can substitute meat with vegetables, most of the world populations are vegetarian you farking ignorant dickwad


Got a reference for that, Sparky? I'm to lazy to look it up.
 
2013-05-01 10:18:37 PM  

ZeroPly: doglover: The problem with the proper vegetarian diet isn't that it lacks in any way the necessities of life. And skipping meat once a day never hurt anyone.

The main problem, and the reason vegans should be unwelcome in your home, even as emissaries of a friendly king, is that VEGETABLES ARE NOT MEAT AND YOU CAN'T SUBSTITUTE THEM FOR IT NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO YOU STUPID farkING ASSHOLES!

You'd be absolutely stunned by the numbers of people who don't know this basic fact. Why, back in 2006, there were something like 300 million vegetarian Indians. I'm not sure how many have survived, their population must be dropping like a stone.


There is a bit of truth in both points here.  You cannot completely compensate for the lack of meat with vegetables, no matter how you mix them.  For most people who are determined enough to go vegan, this is a survivable notion as the resulting deficiencies are not severe enough to have obviously serious consequences.  For a small percentage, this can be a bigger deal.  In a population of 300 million, those who suffer serious problems will vanish in the noise.

A friend of mine went full vegan for a while, best practices and the whole works.  This had a problem that was not immediately obvious.  In the year after going vegan, she noticed that she was developing bruises that would not heal completely. The connection was not made at this time.  One day, a batch of friends hauled her off to McDonalds, for what she regarded as a lack of options, she got a burger.  By the next morning a years worth of bruises were gone.   She figured out that her body was one of those that just could not get everything it needed from vegetables.  She didn't go all-carnivore, but animal products are included in her diet now and she suffers from a lack of weird medical issues.
 
2013-05-01 10:31:54 PM  

Abacus9: I don't have any problem with vegetarians, and most of the ones I've know have been pretty cool. But I can't farking stand vegans. They're smug by design. The idea of "exploiting an animal is wrong" is just stupid on the face of it. Milk is produced for the purpose of being consumed. But they don't seem to care if animals are "exploited" in other ways, such as being used as props in movies. Speaking of which, if vegans were truly concerned, they shouldn't be allowed to watch films, as celluloid contains animal protein. Nor should they be allowed to eat Jello, but I've never heard anyone ever bring this stuff up.


I work with a vegan. Maybe she is the only one that is not smug about it. So there is at least one. No gelatin products for her. She is vegan because of the way animals are treated and the hormones dumped into them. She eats organic and we have already had our discussions about nutrition in organic foods. She agrees it is not more nutritious but there is the chemical factor.

One thing I did find out was at a team lunch she ate vegetarian. I was surprised to hear this but also impressed. She could not find anything strictly vegan on the menu so she went quietly with what she could get and never raised a fuss about it like a militant vegan would.

So they are not all dicks. I rather enjoy our food conversations but seeing her choke down her juicer experiments have brought me great pleasure. Some things just don't mix but by golly! She pinches her nose and downs it. A real trooper, that one is!
 
2013-05-01 10:38:10 PM  

pecosdave: Salvation in a bag.

[static.caloriecount.about.com image 200x200]


And absolutely no food value whatsoever.

http://www.shopwell.com/kroger-real-bacon-bits-hickory-smoke-flavor/ sa lad-toppings/p/1111080006
 
2013-05-01 11:59:37 PM  
Of course, schools could also bring back recess and PE and make the kids run around and play. Oh, wait, they can't anymore because they might get hurt and the parents will sue the school out of existence.

Seems like a problem the people brought upon themselves.
 
2013-05-02 12:25:22 AM  

DerAppie: Abacus9: One of my old friends was vegetarian from the time he was 6 years old. He would always try to get me to try different vegetarian dishes that substituted something for meat, claiming "it tastes just like meat, dude!". I came to the conclusion that after awhile, vegetarians completely forget what meat tastes like. Of course, the guy eats nothing BUT meat these days.
/end CSB

I think that artificial meat substitute is the worst disservice anyone has ever done to vegetarianism as a whole. Instead of thinking of people choosing to eat nice vegetable dishes people now think of vegetarians as people who eat bland pseudo-meat along with equally bland meals.


Agreed. I think it's to cater to non-vegetarians (like myself), but I'd honestly rather just have some good old fashioned vegetables. They're tasty and not trying to hide what they are.

flamingboard: HindiDiscoMonster: Skr: Hmm... gas can get pretty bad on an all vegetarian diet.

wait... did we just solve the energy crisis?

No but we're accelerating climate change with all the methane.


Actually only about 1/3 of people even produce methane, mostly it's air and some hydrogen (hint: you can tell by the color of the flame).
 
2013-05-02 12:51:19 AM  
I think this is a step in the right direction!

All the nutrients meat eaters get from eating dead animals actually come from plants. however, cholesterol is a poison, so you could just skip the middle man, and eat plants yourself, and in the process eliminate the diseases inherent to the consumption of animal products, such as diabetes, cancer, and most of all heart disease, the #1 killer in America. Its a win win for the earth, and your health.
 
2013-05-02 01:26:47 AM  

saturn badger: Abacus9: I don't have any problem with vegetarians, and most of the ones I've know have been pretty cool. But I can't farking stand vegans. They're smug by design. The idea of "exploiting an animal is wrong" is just stupid on the face of it. Milk is produced for the purpose of being consumed. But they don't seem to care if animals are "exploited" in other ways, such as being used as props in movies. Speaking of which, if vegans were truly concerned, they shouldn't be allowed to watch films, as celluloid contains animal protein. Nor should they be allowed to eat Jello, but I've never heard anyone ever bring this stuff up.

I work with a vegan. Maybe she is the only one that is not smug about it. So there is at least one. No gelatin products for her. She is vegan because of the way animals are treated and the hormones dumped into them. She eats organic and we have already had our discussions about nutrition in organic foods. She agrees it is not more nutritious but there is the chemical factor.

One thing I did find out was at a team lunch she ate vegetarian. I was surprised to hear this but also impressed. She could not find anything strictly vegan on the menu so she went quietly with what she could get and never raised a fuss about it like a militant vegan would.

So they are not all dicks. I rather enjoy our food conversations but seeing her choke down her juicer experiments have brought me great pleasure. Some things just don't mix but by golly! She pinches her nose and downs it. A real trooper, that one is!


Yeah, I didn't mean that every single vegan ever is worse than Hitler or anything, I just tend to generalize when talking about groups. Most of the vegans (and some of the vegetarians) act pretty smug, but not all. I was just referring to the hypocritical ones. Anyway, because this is kind of what we do here:

www.thecrimsonshaft.com
 
2013-05-02 01:40:18 AM  

Abacus9: saturn badger: Abacus9: I don't have any problem with vegetarians, and most of the ones I've know have been pretty cool. But I can't farking stand vegans. They're smug by design. The idea of "exploiting an animal is wrong" is just stupid on the face of it. Milk is produced for the purpose of being consumed. But they don't seem to care if animals are "exploited" in other ways, such as being used as props in movies. Speaking of which, if vegans were truly concerned, they shouldn't be allowed to watch films, as celluloid contains animal protein. Nor should they be allowed to eat Jello, but I've never heard anyone ever bring this stuff up.

I work with a vegan. Maybe she is the only one that is not smug about it. So there is at least one. No gelatin products for her. She is vegan because of the way animals are treated and the hormones dumped into them. She eats organic and we have already had our discussions about nutrition in organic foods. She agrees it is not more nutritious but there is the chemical factor.

One thing I did find out was at a team lunch she ate vegetarian. I was surprised to hear this but also impressed. She could not find anything strictly vegan on the menu so she went quietly with what she could get and never raised a fuss about it like a militant vegan would.

So they are not all dicks. I rather enjoy our food conversations but seeing her choke down her juicer experiments have brought me great pleasure. Some things just don't mix but by golly! She pinches her nose and downs it. A real trooper, that one is!

Yeah, I didn't mean that every single vegan ever is worse than Hitler or anything, I just tend to generalize when talking about groups. Most of the vegans (and some of the vegetarians) act pretty smug, but not all. I was just referring to the hypocritical ones. Anyway, because this is kind of what we do here:

[www.thecrimsonshaft.com image 504x504]


Thanks for the laugh, dude. I seldom laugh out loud but I did on that one.

I have not met any militant ones. Maybe I lead a sheltered life. Both of my daughters are veggies. I eat meat. We just get along with life and move on. I go veggie at Jupiters pizza in Berkeley. Their cheese pizza is one of the reasons to live. Along with the honey ale. A perfect meal.

And yeah, that is what we do here.

/nice response
 
2013-05-02 01:56:04 AM  

saturn badger: Thanks for the laugh, dude. I seldom laugh out loud but I did on that one.

And yeah, that is what we do here.

/nice response


Thanks, anytime! Cheers.

saturn badger: have not met any militant ones. Maybe I lead a sheltered life. Both of my daughters are veggies. I eat meat. We just get along with life and move on. I go veggie at Jupiters pizza in Berkeley. Their cheese pizza is one of the reasons to live. Along with the honey ale. A perfect meal.


CSB:
Most if not all of the really out-there vegans and vegetarians I knew were from college, but I knew some more moderate/reasonable ones outside of that. My wife's friend is vegetarian and one of the nicest people, not at all militant, but I think she's not full-on vegan. Another friend I knew back in the day, in the long long ago, was one of the most militant vegetarians (not vegan) I've ever met. He'd argue with you during a meal about why what you're eating is wrong. Now he eats almost nothing but meat.
/end CSB
 
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