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2013-05-01 12:03:16 PM

NephilimNexus: RodneyToady: Yes, because if you're not eating meat at every single meal, you're going to stunt your growth.

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I look forward to you FARKers making "wimpy vegetarian" jokes to any of these guys' faces.


Why?  Has their vegetarian diets warped their brains so that their only response would be animalistic violence?
 
2013-05-01 12:05:55 PM
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Wait until you meet an obese person who is confused about why they're still obese despite their "vegetarian" diet (which includes two boxes of Kraft mac & cheese for lunch every day).
 
2013-05-01 12:13:44 PM
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2013-05-01 12:19:47 PM

furiousxgeorge: Benevolent Misanthrope: furiousxgeorge: Benevolent Misanthrope: I contend that if they can't buy them pre-processed from an approved supplier with business deals with the district, pre-made, heat-n-eat, it's not going to work. It may be good for a little while. But eventually those kids are going to be no better off, or perhaps worse off than before, for nutrition.

What exactly are you suggesting the processing is removing from the rice and beans, nutrition wise?

Adding.  Salt, preservatives, etc.  It's the diference between starting from dry beans and rice, and buying Vigo black beans and rice mix.  Which do you think is better for them?

Oh God, preservatives hysteria.  Just shut up.  You are going to be adding salt to rice and beans even if you cook it from dry.

You do the rice at the school in a rice cooker, it's as easy as using a microwave.  You get the beans in cans and rinse them off if you are afraid of additives.  It's not any less healthy than cooking from dry.  But you can do them dry in a pressure cooker or whatever if you want to. Rice and Beans is like the simplest thing to make in the world.


Yeah, rising them of totally washes all those BPA's from the can lining off them. Totally the 100% exact same thing as making them from dry.

http://www.treehugger.com/green-food/7-companies-you-can-trust-to-us e- bpa-free-cans.html

Used to buy the cans of refried beans but then we stopped when we realized just how easy it is to make your own. They also make the house smell delicious and you can freeze the leftovers in glassware for a quick mexican dinner night side dish using Tofurkey Chorizo which is surprisingly tasty.
 
2013-05-01 12:20:22 PM
Lot of people with food issues in this thread.
 
2013-05-01 01:05:51 PM
If the school planned it so they're properly balancing the proteins, okay, whatever. Faddish and stupid, since you can give kids meat and the world won't end, but whatever.

I highly doubt the school is going to actually serve healthy food. Fried plants are not healthy, even if you can slap the 'vegan' label on it.
 
2013-05-01 01:41:29 PM

DerAppie: timujin: I recently ate at a vegan restaurant and was quite surprised by the food, it was every bit as good as any similar non-vegan restaurant and I would be happy to eat there regularly.

Why wouldn't it be good tasting? There is no reason at all why a meatless meal should taste like crap. Just make a combination of the right vegetables, add some herbs and spices and you've got a decent meal. If you start going into all the stuff that is supposed to replace meat while still it still looks and (attempts to) taste like meat, yeah, that might just be a bland crap.

/Eats vegetarian about once a week when I really can't be bothered to cook


It was the fake meat that surprised me, sorry if I didn't make that clear enough.  Of course vegetables and things made from them taste good, they're just as good sitting next to my steak as they are without the steak there.  But their other stuff, which I believe was "chick'un", was what was surprisingly good.
 
2013-05-01 01:59:56 PM
I bet that high estrogen level in young boys will be fun.

Enjoy having male children with moobs and tiny wangs.
 
2013-05-01 02:18:50 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Gilligann: I don't understand the outrage.

Does it matter if they have one or two meals a day that don't contain meat?
Are these kids not allowed to eat meat at home?

What outrage?


Did you read any other post but mine?
 
2013-05-01 02:34:46 PM

leevis: ArcadianRefugee: Don't like the school's menu? Send your kid to school with his lunch (a sloppy joe, hamburger, hot dogs).

/and don't forget the occasional PBJ to thin the herd

That's great if there's a microwave available.


Fine. How about sandwiches? Chicken salad, deli meats.... Maybe some chicken legs; those are still yummy without reheating.

Point is: fark the school. Even when they do serve meats, it's nasty shiat anyway. School lunches are a last resort, a "I forgot my lunch at home / on the bus" type thing. Unless you are poor and are on a free lunch thing, in which case shut up and eat what you are given.
 
2013-05-01 02:45:12 PM

Genju: I bet that high estrogen level in young boys will be fun.

Enjoy having male children with moobs and tiny wangs.


Just give the girls veggie meals, and the boys burgers. Problem solved...deliciously.
 
2013-05-01 03:00:38 PM
If I was a parent there, I would sue the school for back-child support. They want to tell me how to raise them, they get to pay for shelter, food, clothing, daycare....
 
2013-05-01 03:32:03 PM
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2013-05-01 03:36:32 PM

Genju: I bet that high estrogen level in young boys will be fun.

Enjoy having male children with moobs and tiny wangs.


Dumbass, did you even read TFA you linked?  That dude was drinking 3 quarts of soy milk a day.  Excess consumption of anything is bad.
 
2013-05-01 03:59:26 PM

ZeroPly: vegetarian Indians.


right. and instead of buffalo they used the hides of ...?? potatoes? beets? corn husks?

were it not for the indian and their love of buffalo how would be have that all time favorite "buffalo wings"?
 
2013-05-01 04:21:36 PM

FDR Jones: I hate vegetables with a fiery passion that will never die. Always have. My diet consists of mostly breakfast cereal, pizza, and cheeseburgers.

That said, I can't remember ever having meat in a school lunch in all my years.

Not sure if I had a point to make.

Nope. No, I did not.


Good luck with that.  I once knew this woman, super kind, generous, funny and generally in good cheer.  She used to tell me the same thing. "I just don't like vegetables".  Amazed that can I enjoy a meal with out eating meat and fish.  I say I used to know her because she's dead now.  Dead in her early 50's from complications due to diabetes and heart failure.

/ssb
 
2013-05-01 04:41:16 PM
Your kid wants steak. I know I do.
 
2013-05-01 05:32:07 PM

Peki: my herniated disc: a pressure cooker.

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Hmm. . . would those even be allowed in schools? They are WMDs.

/the more you know


//not serious, not serious! please don't hurt me.


I was on my iphone and my message submitted somehow before I finished it...

I meant, cook beans and rice in a pressure cooker!

fast, delicious and dirt cheap, perfect for a school.

I didnt even know pressure cookers could be used as a bomb until the boston bombing. :(
 
2013-05-01 07:34:32 PM

Curious: ZeroPly: vegetarian Indians.

right. and instead of buffalo they used the hides of ...?? potatoes? beets? corn husks?

were it not for the indian and their love of buffalo how would be have that all time favorite "buffalo wings"?


Dot Indian, not feather Indian.

my herniated disc: I was on my iphone and my message submitted somehow before I finished it...


I have an ipad that absolutely despises the Fark interface, so I get errors like that a lot.

my herniated disc: I didnt even know pressure cookers could be used as a bomb until the boston bombing. :(


I watched McGuyver as a kid. I pretty much assume you can make a bomb outta damn near anything.
 
2013-05-01 09:56:10 PM

ongbok: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Fun Dumpster: I'll stay away from the normal meat vs veggie derp, but I'd be curious to see how this public school manages to maintain this when school budgets in New York are already stretched to the breaking point.  Where are they finding the funding to continuously bring in the full veggie menu.  What quality of produce do they intend to use?  I understand that there may be some economy of scale at play, but how are they able to make a nutritionally viable meal on the traditionally meager budget assigned to school lunches?

I'm assuming they're going to be using a lot of refined grains and processed soy instead of fresh, local, seasonal produce. Which is a shame, if true.

What school cafeteria uses fresh, local seasonal produce now? They will use Sysco or Aramark products like every other school district.


Not all. Some schools grow their own food.

http://salidacitizen.com/2013/03/hoop-house-to-be-installed-for-sali da -garden-to-cafeteria-program/

Not sure if they have all veggies meals. This one doesn't but at least some are trying. There is something to be said for that.

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Salida-Union-schools-eat-up-healt hy -lunches-2311005.php

Back in my day in HS the only way to make the burger edible was to pour the salad over it. Maybe that was the plan. I got my veggies that way.

/eats mostly salads for lunch
//not a veggie
 
2013-05-01 10:03:04 PM

Slartibartfaster: / for reference yes you can substitute meat with vegetables, most of the world populations are vegetarian you farking ignorant dickwad


Got a reference for that, Sparky? I'm to lazy to look it up.
 
2013-05-01 10:18:37 PM

ZeroPly: doglover: The problem with the proper vegetarian diet isn't that it lacks in any way the necessities of life. And skipping meat once a day never hurt anyone.

The main problem, and the reason vegans should be unwelcome in your home, even as emissaries of a friendly king, is that VEGETABLES ARE NOT MEAT AND YOU CAN'T SUBSTITUTE THEM FOR IT NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO YOU STUPID farkING ASSHOLES!

You'd be absolutely stunned by the numbers of people who don't know this basic fact. Why, back in 2006, there were something like 300 million vegetarian Indians. I'm not sure how many have survived, their population must be dropping like a stone.


There is a bit of truth in both points here.  You cannot completely compensate for the lack of meat with vegetables, no matter how you mix them.  For most people who are determined enough to go vegan, this is a survivable notion as the resulting deficiencies are not severe enough to have obviously serious consequences.  For a small percentage, this can be a bigger deal.  In a population of 300 million, those who suffer serious problems will vanish in the noise.

A friend of mine went full vegan for a while, best practices and the whole works.  This had a problem that was not immediately obvious.  In the year after going vegan, she noticed that she was developing bruises that would not heal completely. The connection was not made at this time.  One day, a batch of friends hauled her off to McDonalds, for what she regarded as a lack of options, she got a burger.  By the next morning a years worth of bruises were gone.   She figured out that her body was one of those that just could not get everything it needed from vegetables.  She didn't go all-carnivore, but animal products are included in her diet now and she suffers from a lack of weird medical issues.
 
2013-05-01 10:31:54 PM

Abacus9: I don't have any problem with vegetarians, and most of the ones I've know have been pretty cool. But I can't farking stand vegans. They're smug by design. The idea of "exploiting an animal is wrong" is just stupid on the face of it. Milk is produced for the purpose of being consumed. But they don't seem to care if animals are "exploited" in other ways, such as being used as props in movies. Speaking of which, if vegans were truly concerned, they shouldn't be allowed to watch films, as celluloid contains animal protein. Nor should they be allowed to eat Jello, but I've never heard anyone ever bring this stuff up.


I work with a vegan. Maybe she is the only one that is not smug about it. So there is at least one. No gelatin products for her. She is vegan because of the way animals are treated and the hormones dumped into them. She eats organic and we have already had our discussions about nutrition in organic foods. She agrees it is not more nutritious but there is the chemical factor.

One thing I did find out was at a team lunch she ate vegetarian. I was surprised to hear this but also impressed. She could not find anything strictly vegan on the menu so she went quietly with what she could get and never raised a fuss about it like a militant vegan would.

So they are not all dicks. I rather enjoy our food conversations but seeing her choke down her juicer experiments have brought me great pleasure. Some things just don't mix but by golly! She pinches her nose and downs it. A real trooper, that one is!
 
2013-05-01 10:38:10 PM

pecosdave: Salvation in a bag.

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And absolutely no food value whatsoever.

http://www.shopwell.com/kroger-real-bacon-bits-hickory-smoke-flavor/ sa lad-toppings/p/1111080006
 
2013-05-01 11:59:37 PM
Of course, schools could also bring back recess and PE and make the kids run around and play. Oh, wait, they can't anymore because they might get hurt and the parents will sue the school out of existence.

Seems like a problem the people brought upon themselves.
 
2013-05-02 12:25:22 AM

DerAppie: Abacus9: One of my old friends was vegetarian from the time he was 6 years old. He would always try to get me to try different vegetarian dishes that substituted something for meat, claiming "it tastes just like meat, dude!". I came to the conclusion that after awhile, vegetarians completely forget what meat tastes like. Of course, the guy eats nothing BUT meat these days.
/end CSB

I think that artificial meat substitute is the worst disservice anyone has ever done to vegetarianism as a whole. Instead of thinking of people choosing to eat nice vegetable dishes people now think of vegetarians as people who eat bland pseudo-meat along with equally bland meals.


Agreed. I think it's to cater to non-vegetarians (like myself), but I'd honestly rather just have some good old fashioned vegetables. They're tasty and not trying to hide what they are.

flamingboard: HindiDiscoMonster: Skr: Hmm... gas can get pretty bad on an all vegetarian diet.

wait... did we just solve the energy crisis?

No but we're accelerating climate change with all the methane.


Actually only about 1/3 of people even produce methane, mostly it's air and some hydrogen (hint: you can tell by the color of the flame).
 
2013-05-02 12:51:19 AM
I think this is a step in the right direction!

All the nutrients meat eaters get from eating dead animals actually come from plants. however, cholesterol is a poison, so you could just skip the middle man, and eat plants yourself, and in the process eliminate the diseases inherent to the consumption of animal products, such as diabetes, cancer, and most of all heart disease, the #1 killer in America. Its a win win for the earth, and your health.
 
2013-05-02 01:26:47 AM

saturn badger: Abacus9: I don't have any problem with vegetarians, and most of the ones I've know have been pretty cool. But I can't farking stand vegans. They're smug by design. The idea of "exploiting an animal is wrong" is just stupid on the face of it. Milk is produced for the purpose of being consumed. But they don't seem to care if animals are "exploited" in other ways, such as being used as props in movies. Speaking of which, if vegans were truly concerned, they shouldn't be allowed to watch films, as celluloid contains animal protein. Nor should they be allowed to eat Jello, but I've never heard anyone ever bring this stuff up.

I work with a vegan. Maybe she is the only one that is not smug about it. So there is at least one. No gelatin products for her. She is vegan because of the way animals are treated and the hormones dumped into them. She eats organic and we have already had our discussions about nutrition in organic foods. She agrees it is not more nutritious but there is the chemical factor.

One thing I did find out was at a team lunch she ate vegetarian. I was surprised to hear this but also impressed. She could not find anything strictly vegan on the menu so she went quietly with what she could get and never raised a fuss about it like a militant vegan would.

So they are not all dicks. I rather enjoy our food conversations but seeing her choke down her juicer experiments have brought me great pleasure. Some things just don't mix but by golly! She pinches her nose and downs it. A real trooper, that one is!


Yeah, I didn't mean that every single vegan ever is worse than Hitler or anything, I just tend to generalize when talking about groups. Most of the vegans (and some of the vegetarians) act pretty smug, but not all. I was just referring to the hypocritical ones. Anyway, because this is kind of what we do here:

www.thecrimsonshaft.com
 
2013-05-02 01:40:18 AM

Abacus9: saturn badger: Abacus9: I don't have any problem with vegetarians, and most of the ones I've know have been pretty cool. But I can't farking stand vegans. They're smug by design. The idea of "exploiting an animal is wrong" is just stupid on the face of it. Milk is produced for the purpose of being consumed. But they don't seem to care if animals are "exploited" in other ways, such as being used as props in movies. Speaking of which, if vegans were truly concerned, they shouldn't be allowed to watch films, as celluloid contains animal protein. Nor should they be allowed to eat Jello, but I've never heard anyone ever bring this stuff up.

I work with a vegan. Maybe she is the only one that is not smug about it. So there is at least one. No gelatin products for her. She is vegan because of the way animals are treated and the hormones dumped into them. She eats organic and we have already had our discussions about nutrition in organic foods. She agrees it is not more nutritious but there is the chemical factor.

One thing I did find out was at a team lunch she ate vegetarian. I was surprised to hear this but also impressed. She could not find anything strictly vegan on the menu so she went quietly with what she could get and never raised a fuss about it like a militant vegan would.

So they are not all dicks. I rather enjoy our food conversations but seeing her choke down her juicer experiments have brought me great pleasure. Some things just don't mix but by golly! She pinches her nose and downs it. A real trooper, that one is!

Yeah, I didn't mean that every single vegan ever is worse than Hitler or anything, I just tend to generalize when talking about groups. Most of the vegans (and some of the vegetarians) act pretty smug, but not all. I was just referring to the hypocritical ones. Anyway, because this is kind of what we do here:

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Thanks for the laugh, dude. I seldom laugh out loud but I did on that one.

I have not met any militant ones. Maybe I lead a sheltered life. Both of my daughters are veggies. I eat meat. We just get along with life and move on. I go veggie at Jupiters pizza in Berkeley. Their cheese pizza is one of the reasons to live. Along with the honey ale. A perfect meal.

And yeah, that is what we do here.

/nice response
 
2013-05-02 01:56:04 AM

saturn badger: Thanks for the laugh, dude. I seldom laugh out loud but I did on that one.

And yeah, that is what we do here.

/nice response


Thanks, anytime! Cheers.

saturn badger: have not met any militant ones. Maybe I lead a sheltered life. Both of my daughters are veggies. I eat meat. We just get along with life and move on. I go veggie at Jupiters pizza in Berkeley. Their cheese pizza is one of the reasons to live. Along with the honey ale. A perfect meal.


CSB:
Most if not all of the really out-there vegans and vegetarians I knew were from college, but I knew some more moderate/reasonable ones outside of that. My wife's friend is vegetarian and one of the nicest people, not at all militant, but I think she's not full-on vegan. Another friend I knew back in the day, in the long long ago, was one of the most militant vegetarians (not vegan) I've ever met. He'd argue with you during a meal about why what you're eating is wrong. Now he eats almost nothing but meat.
/end CSB
 
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