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2013-05-01 03:35:30 AM

Abacus9: Gilligann: I don't understand the outrage.

Does it matter if they have one or two meals a day that don't contain meat?
Are these kids not allowed to eat meat at home?

Buh buh "their takin awey are fredums!" That's the only thing this is about.


The only thing I do wonder about is that there are some kids for whom the only food they get is school meals.  In their cases, if the food isn't combined properly, there could be issues.
 
2013-05-01 03:36:43 AM

Gyrfalcon: doglover: The problem with the proper vegetarian diet isn't that it lacks in any way the necessities of life. And skipping meat once a day never hurt anyone.

The main problem, and the reason vegans should be unwelcome in your home, even as emissaries of a friendly king, is that VEGETABLES ARE NOT MEAT AND YOU CAN'T SUBSTITUTE THEM FOR IT NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO YOU STUPID farkING ASSHOLES!

The problem with a proper vegetarian diet is that 99.5% of elementary school kids wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot hot dog. All this means is more school lunches in the trash can, and more kids eating Extra-Spicy Cheetohs and Gatorade for lunch. But hey, keep on trying to promote those healthful eating habits.


so teach your kids to eat better? hmmmmmmm.
 
2013-05-01 03:38:55 AM

J. Frank Parnell: Carnivores produce vitamin c within their bodies to make up for what they don't get in their diets, but humans rely entirely on their diet to get it.


Interestingly, it appears that nearly all of humans' vitamin C requirement is for the purpose of metabolizing starches.  Cultures that were exclusively carnivorous (e.g., the Inuit) didn't appear to have scurvy.
 
2013-05-01 03:42:03 AM
Salvation in a bag.

static.caloriecount.about.com
 
2013-05-01 03:52:09 AM
They went full vegan. You never go full vegan.
 
2013-05-01 03:58:23 AM

ZeroPly: doglover: The problem with the proper vegetarian diet isn't that it lacks in any way the necessities of life. And skipping meat once a day never hurt anyone.

The main problem, and the reason vegans should be unwelcome in your home, even as emissaries of a friendly king, is that VEGETABLES ARE NOT MEAT AND YOU CAN'T SUBSTITUTE THEM FOR IT NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO YOU STUPID farkING ASSHOLES!

You'd be absolutely stunned by the numbers of people who don't know this basic fact. Why, back in 2006, there were something like 300 million vegetarian Indians. I'm not sure how many have survived, their population must be dropping like a stone.


And they're known for their vigorous health too. 1.2 billion people, and thanks to their best showing ever at the Olympics in 2012, they now have more medals overall than Michael Phelps and only nine fewer golds.
 
2013-05-01 03:58:24 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Abacus9: Gilligann: I don't understand the outrage.

Does it matter if they have one or two meals a day that don't contain meat?
Are these kids not allowed to eat meat at home?

Buh buh "their takin awey are fredums!" That's the only thing this is about.

The only thing I do wonder about is that there are some kids for whom the only food they get is school meals.  In their cases, if the food isn't combined properly, there could be issues.


I understand your point, but I think the schools are just trying to give the kids healthier meals. I don't know about the five days a week, though. Maybe two or three would be a better way to go, with vegetarian always being an option. But I can't say I'm outraged over the decision either. The thing that's really outrageous about all this is that there's a safety net where people who need food are supposed to get it, but we still have starving children. Because walfair queans.
 
2013-05-01 03:58:41 AM
I'm the first one in line to make fun of PETA and militant vegans/vegetarian types, but I'm 100% ok with this.
 
2013-05-01 04:35:36 AM
Repeated scientific studies have shown that Americans have way too much meat in their diet, overestimate how much meat they need in their diet, and how that is contributing to epidemic illnesses such as heart diseases. But that cant be right. Sounds too scientifically and too Un-American.
 
2013-05-01 04:58:12 AM

Fallout Boy: Repeated scientific studies have shown that Americans have way too much meat in their diet, overestimate how much meat they need in their diet, and how that is contributing to epidemic illnesses such as heart diseases. But that cant be right. Sounds too scientifically and too Un-American.


True. But not all of the extra meat is the cause of the health issues. Eating too much in general and adding tons of non filling and high nutrition foods (like mashed potatoes or french freedom fries...mmmm...taters) to every meal is more to blame. You don't need to eat 1500 calories every meal. Hell, the only time I eat that much is when the situation has caused me to miss a couple of meals, or it is a holiday/party.

\\1500 calories is for a non fast food meal
\fast food has meals up closer to the 1600-2600 range, 1600 being for a McD's Big Mc meal
 
Skr
2013-05-01 05:18:47 AM
Hmm... gas can get pretty bad on an all vegetarian diet.
 
2013-05-01 05:19:02 AM

Abacus9: Slartibartfaster: most of the world populations are vegetarian you farking ignorant dickwad

Mostly because they don't all have a choice.

Mimic_Octopus: seriously, a farking fried cheese on processerd totilla butter biscuit ? coronary by 4th grade. These vegetarians are farking dumb. roasted or braised meat of any kind, as long as unprocessed, is far better than any fried cheese or fried vegetable entree. kids are not eating steamed vegetables they will have to fry all of it. you can grill or roast a chicken thigh.

Maybe if it's all three meals a day for 10 years. Otherwise, stop being stupid.

Gyrfalcon: ...and more kids eating Extra-Spicy Cheetohs and Gatorade for lunch.

You kiddin' me? I still (sometimes) eat that for dinner!

doglover: The main problem, and the reason vegans should be unwelcome in your home, even as emissaries of a friendly king, is that VEGETABLES ARE NOT MEAT AND YOU CAN'T SUBSTITUTE THEM FOR IT NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO YOU STUPID farkING ASSHOLES!

I don't have any problem with vegetarians, and most of the ones I've know have been pretty cool. But I can't farking stand vegans. They're smug by design. The idea of "exploiting an animal is wrong" is just stupid on the face of it. Milk is produced for the purpose of being consumed. But they don't seem to care if animals are "exploited" in other ways, such as being used as props in movies. Speaking of which, if vegans were truly concerned, they shouldn't be allowed to watch films, as celluloid contains animal protein. Nor should they be allowed to eat Jello, but I've never heard anyone ever bring this stuff up.


Any vegan who has been at it for more than a few weeks knows what Jello is made of (and confectioner's glaze, and carmine, and a bunch if other stuff you don't usually notice on food labels.)

And you are mistaken about the dairy industry merely being about "exploitation."

Vegans are simply vegetarians who realize you are kidding yourself if you think they just put the male calves of dairy cows up at a nice boarding house somewhere after they are born.
 
2013-05-01 05:35:07 AM

Polyhazard: Vegans are simply vegetarians who realize you are kidding yourself if you think they just put the male calves of dairy cows up at a nice boarding house somewhere after they are born.


I'm sure they're used to make veal. But why waste perfectly good milk?
 
2013-05-01 05:39:55 AM

bindlestiff2600: no clue if true
but perhaps offers a why of other peoples thinking


http://www.purifymind.com/MeatProtein.htm
Eating such enormous quantities of animal proteins has a profound effect on human behaviour. Generally in nature carnivorous animals are fierce and aggressive, while non-carnivorous ones are peaceful and sociable. Another thing that can easily be seen is the gradual reduction in aggression in human beings as they move from a diet containing large amounts of meat towards one excluding high protein foods, especially meat. It is also well known that dogs, although carnivorous in nature, keep guard and attack strangers more effectively if they are fed larger than normal meat rations. Similarly, in wartime, when men are to take part in highly risky military action, they have to be given large meat rations, so that the meat is used as a drug to develop aggression, violence and moral insensitivity.

perhaps a desire for a more placid population
(dont think thats going to work)

oh also
know who else was a vegetarian
(finally got to do that in a fark thread)


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Oh lord, that is the funniest thing I've read today. Someone should tell that to the hippopotamus, the elephant, the Cape buffalo, the moose, the elk, the domestic cow, and all those other "peaceful" herbivores who somehow manage to kill and injure more people than the ferocious violent carnivores. I also love that "Eating meat makes you a violent angry psycho!" bit, if that was the case I'd have gone insane with rage years ago.

If it wasn't for meat, humans wouldn't be humans. Our brains got to be so big mainly because we kept it fueled by eating more meat. Way to honor your ancestors, everyone who demands we as a species abandon vital food sources. Be glad that humans became intelligent enough to create machines and technology to make nutritional pills and grow massive amounts of plants to stock grocery stores with, otherwise you'd never be able to survive with that carnivore digestive system that sucks at handling anything plant-based that's not a fruit, seed, or tuber.
 
2013-05-01 05:49:25 AM

Abacus9: Polyhazard: Vegans are simply vegetarians who realize you are kidding yourself if you think they just put the male calves of dairy cows up at a nice boarding house somewhere after they are born.

I'm sure they're used to make veal. But why waste perfectly good milk?


I'm not even vegan. Just saying, you seem to think they are less logical than ovo-lacto vegetarians-- clearly it's the other way around.

Ovo-Lacto vegetarians think they aren't hurting animals because they don't eat them, but for every hen laying eggs, there's a male "fryer" who got sorted into the "kill" pile.
 
2013-05-01 05:54:57 AM
I tried going vegetarian in college (girlfriend... eh!) I was never so consistently sick in my life than I was that year. It was like I caught every bug that came my way.

Never again.
 
2013-05-01 05:58:29 AM

Polyhazard: Vegans are simply vegetarians who realize you are kidding yourself if you think they just put the male calves of dairy cows up at a nice boarding house somewhere after they are born

decided to take the concept to the extreme.
 
2013-05-01 05:59:06 AM
Listening to GNR's 'Get in the Ring' while reading this thread. Appropriate.
 
2013-05-01 06:00:35 AM

Polyhazard: Abacus9: Polyhazard: Vegans are simply vegetarians who realize you are kidding yourself if you think they just put the male calves of dairy cows up at a nice boarding house somewhere after they are born.

I'm sure they're used to make veal. But why waste perfectly good milk?

I'm not even vegan. Just saying, you seem to think they are less logical than ovo-lacto vegetarians-- clearly it's the other way around.

Ovo-Lacto vegetarians think they aren't hurting animals because they don't eat them, but for every hen laying eggs, there's a male "fryer" who got sorted into the "kill" pile.



People have different reasons for being vegetarians. Some because they think it's morally wrong to kill an animal & eat its flesh. Others do so because eating meat has an ill effect on them. I have a close friend like that. She likes meat, poultry & fish, but has great difficulty digesting them, especially if the meat comes from hooved animals. Beef, pork, lamb, mutton & venison are almost impossible for her to digest & she's sick for days after eating just a small portion. Poultry and fish are more easily digested, though they do cause some problems. Because of this she's been a lacto-ovo vegetarian since she was a child, shortly after the problem was diagnosed. She's in her mid-40s now and has no health problems unless she eats meat.
 
2013-05-01 06:01:02 AM

furiousxgeorge: You do the rice at the school in a rice cooker, it's as easy as using a microwave.  You get the beans in cans and rinse them off if you are afraid of additives.  It's not any less healthy than cooking from dry.  But you can do them dry in a pressure cooker or whatever if you want to. Rice and Beans is like the simplest thing to make in the world.


I heard those things were banned from schools recently.
 
2013-05-01 06:02:10 AM

timujin: I recently ate at a vegan restaurant and was quite surprised by the food, it was every bit as good as any similar non-vegan restaurant and I would be happy to eat there regularly.


Why wouldn't it be good tasting? There is no reason at all why a meatless meal should taste like crap. Just make a combination of the right vegetables, add some herbs and spices and you've got a decent meal. If you start going into all the stuff that is supposed to replace meat while still it still looks and (attempts to) taste like meat, yeah, that might just be a bland crap.

/Eats vegetarian about once a week when I really can't be bothered to cook
 
2013-05-01 06:02:45 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: The only thing I do wonder about is that there are some kids for whom the only food they get is school meals.  In their cases, if the food isn't combined properly, there could be issues.


There had damned well better be "issues" is school lunch is the only meal a kid gets -  CPS issues!
 
2013-05-01 06:03:26 AM

Polyhazard: Abacus9: Polyhazard: Vegans are simply vegetarians who realize you are kidding yourself if you think they just put the male calves of dairy cows up at a nice boarding house somewhere after they are born.

I'm sure they're used to make veal. But why waste perfectly good milk?

I'm not even vegan. Just saying, you seem to think they are less logical than ovo-lacto vegetarians-- clearly it's the other way around.

Actually, that's not what I was trying to say. I just meant that they are often hypocritical, and jerks about it as well. If they're going to feel so morally superior, they should actually be so, going the extra mile and never seeing a movie again.

Ovo-Lacto vegetarians think they aren't hurting animals because they don't eat them, but for every hen laying eggs, there's a male "fryer" who got sorted into the "kill" pile.

I think many ovo-lacto vegetarians choose it for many different reasons, be it moral, health, or just they don't prefer meat. Many of the ones I know were cool with cheese and milk but wouldn't touch an egg. But like I said, everyone's different.
 
2013-05-01 06:03:33 AM
It's hilarious how most of your kids won't eat veggies... Know who to blame for that? You... Had you been feeding your kids fresh veggies instead of McD's french fries or mac-n-cheese since they were old enough to hold a spoon, they might have healthier eating habits...

My wife and I did the exact opposite, we both agreed that our kids would not live off a shiat diet. They are both old enough to order meals when we do go out and they always order veggies because *GASP* they actually like them... Which seems to shock every waitress on the planet.

And yes, my kids are healthier than yours...
 
2013-05-01 06:04:53 AM

log_jammin: Polyhazard: Vegans are simply vegetarians who realize you are kidding yourself if you think they just put the male calves of dairy cows up at a nice boarding house somewhere after they are borndecided to take the concept to the extreme.


I used to think that, until I understood the economics of egg/dairy production.

If your reason for not eating meat is that you don't want to support the slaughter or suffering of animals, you are doing a piss-poor job of it buying even the "happy cow" milk.
 
2013-05-01 06:05:53 AM
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2013-05-01 06:09:34 AM

BarkingUnicorn: furiousxgeorge: You do the rice at the school in a rice cooker, it's as easy as using a microwave.  You get the beans in cans and rinse them off if you are afraid of additives.  It's not any less healthy than cooking from dry.  But you can do them dry in a pressure cooker or whatever if you want to. Rice and Beans is like the simplest thing to make in the world.

I heard those things were banned from schools recently.


Of course not. You have to have a good guy with a pressure cooker to stop a bad guy with a pressure cooker.

DerAppie: timujin: I recently ate at a vegan restaurant and was quite surprised by the food, it was every bit as good as any similar non-vegan restaurant and I would be happy to eat there regularly.

Why wouldn't it be good tasting? There is no reason at all why a meatless meal should taste like crap. Just make a combination of the right vegetables, add some herbs and spices and you've got a decent meal. If you start going into all the stuff that is supposed to replace meat while still it still looks and (attempts to) taste like meat, yeah, that might just be a bland crap.

/Eats vegetarian about once a week when I really can't be bothered to cook


One of my old friends was vegetarian from the time he was 6 years old. He would always try to get me to try different vegetarian dishes that substituted something for meat, claiming "it tastes just like meat, dude!". I came to the conclusion that after awhile, vegetarians completely forget what meat tastes like. Of course, the guy eats nothing BUT meat these days.
/end CSB
 
2013-05-01 06:11:11 AM

Polyhazard: I used to think that, until I understood the economics of egg/dairy production.

If your reason for not eating meat is that you don't want to support the slaughter or suffering of animals, you are doing a piss-poor job of it buying even the "happy cow" milk.


this comment really makes no sense.
 
2013-05-01 06:11:27 AM

Bathia_Mapes: Polyhazard: Abacus9: Polyhazard: Vegans are simply vegetarians who realize you are kidding yourself if you think they just put the male calves of dairy cows up at a nice boarding house somewhere after they are born.

I'm sure they're used to make veal. But why waste perfectly good milk?

I'm not even vegan. Just saying, you seem to think they are less logical than ovo-lacto vegetarians-- clearly it's the other way around.

Ovo-Lacto vegetarians think they aren't hurting animals because they don't eat them, but for every hen laying eggs, there's a male "fryer" who got sorted into the "kill" pile.


People have different reasons for being vegetarians. Some because they think it's morally wrong to kill an animal & eat its flesh. Others do so because eating meat has an ill effect on them. I have a close friend like that. She likes meat, poultry & fish, but has great difficulty digesting them, especially if the meat comes from hooved animals. Beef, pork, lamb, mutton & venison are almost impossible for her to digest & she's sick for days after eating just a small portion. Poultry and fish are more easily digested, though they do cause some problems. Because of this she's been a lacto-ovo vegetarian since she was a child, shortly after the problem was diagnosed. She's in her mid-40s now and has no health problems unless she eats meat.


Sure, people have all kinds of reasons. My pet peeves are the vegetarians who think "meat is murder," but "I could never give up cheese."

/And the vegans who swap out butter for palm oil from orangutan habitat
//Goes to munch on rocks and dirt
 
2013-05-01 06:12:05 AM

ArcadianRefugee: Don't like the school's menu? Send your kid to school with his lunch (a sloppy joe, hamburger, hot dogs).

/and don't forget the occasional PBJ to thin the herd


That's great if there's a microwave available.
 
2013-05-01 06:18:03 AM

log_jammin: Polyhazard: I used to think that, until I understood the economics of egg/dairy production.

If your reason for not eating meat is that you don't want to support the slaughter or suffering of animals, you are doing a piss-poor job of it buying even the "happy cow" milk.

this comment really makes no sense.


I'm sorry-- Is it syntax, like you literally don't understand? Or do you just disagree with me?
 
2013-05-01 06:23:22 AM

log_jammin: Polyhazard: I used to think that, until I understood the economics of egg/dairy production.

If your reason for not eating meat is that you don't want to support the slaughter or suffering of animals, you are doing a piss-poor job of it buying even the "happy cow" milk.

this comment really makes no sense.


My point is that egg and dairy both necessarily involve the production of non-producing animals (males.) Those male animals are sold off to be turned into meat.

So if you avoid meat because you don't support the meat industry, you aren't really opting out of that.

Make more sense?
 
2013-05-01 06:27:41 AM

CeroX: It's hilarious how most of your kids won't eat veggies... Know who to blame for that? You... Had you been feeding your kids fresh veggies instead of McD's french fries or mac-n-cheese since they were old enough to hold a spoon, they might have healthier eating habits...

My wife and I did the exact opposite, we both agreed that our kids would not live off a shiat diet. They are both old enough to order meals when we do go out and they always order veggies because *GASP* they actually like them... Which seems to shock every waitress on the planet.

And yes, my kids are healthier than yours...


Parents fed me various veggies the moment I weaned to not-milk. As far back as I remember I never liked most of them. Potatoes I love, carrots I'll eat if it's with our homemade vegetable dip, wouldn't touch any other ones. Rarely had restaurant food for meals, too. I dislike many vegetables and chose not to eat the ones I dislike.

Guess the moral of this story is that people have personal tastes and likes and dislikes, and forcing them to do what you want them do doesn't really work.
 
2013-05-01 06:30:17 AM

Polyhazard: I'm sorry-- Is it syntax, like you literally don't understand? Or do you just disagree with me?


I don't know if I disagree because the comment makes no sense. Your understanding of "the economics of egg/dairy production" has nothing to do with vegans or vegetarians motivations, or whether their goals are extreme or not. you also seem to be making the assumption that all vegetarians are vegetarians because they don't want animals to "suffer", which even if true, has nothing to do with my assertion that vegans took the concept of not using animal products to an extreme.
 
2013-05-01 06:33:47 AM

Polyhazard: So if you avoid meat because you don't support the meat industry, you aren't really opting out of that.



which, again, has nothing to do with whether or not vegans took a concept(don't eat animals) to an extreme(don't use any animal products EVER).
 
2013-05-01 06:39:15 AM

J. Frank Parnell: There's some, but not enough to keep someone healthy. Carnivores produce vitamin c within their bodies to make up for what they don't get in their diets, but humans rely entirely on their diet to get it.


Wtf?  I don't understand this argument at all, most animals of all kinds produce vitamin C, including herbivores.  That is like saying we shouldn't eat veggies because cows produce their own vitamin C.

The gene that code the production of Vitamin C is broken in (most) primates, which are omnivorous.  Not to mention there is enough Vitamin C in the organ meats of animals to sustain a human.  Getting it from liver is less efficient from plants, but totally doable.  Key is we are omnivores.
 
2013-05-01 06:46:04 AM

Fallout Boy: Repeated scientific studies have shown that Americans have way too much meat in their diet, overestimate how much meat they need in their diet, and how that is contributing to epidemic illnesses such as heart diseases. But that cant be right. Sounds too scientifically and too Un-American.


Is that the same scientific community that once told us that eggs were bad for us, that if we ate them
more than once in a blue moon our cholesterol would skyrocket to freakish proportions and we would
asplode, but is now telling us that they are healthy for us?

Found an interesting site on how federal food guidelines have changed over the decades. Have a
look:  http://thecoexistcafe.com/2012/03/food-pyramids-throughout-the-decade s /
 
2013-05-01 06:46:14 AM

Bucky Katt: the meat myth strikes again


Don't let facts get in the way of derp...

/from a pro-vegetarian source.
 
2013-05-01 06:53:51 AM

log_jammin: Polyhazard: I'm sorry-- Is it syntax, like you literally don't understand? Or do you just disagree with me?

I don't know if I disagree because the comment makes no sense. Your understanding of "the economics of egg/dairy production" has nothing to do with vegans or vegetarians motivations, or whether their goals are extreme or not. you also seem to be making the assumption that all vegetarians are vegetarians because they don't want animals to "suffer", which even if true, has nothing to do with my assertion that vegans took the concept of not using animal products to an extreme.


I certainly not making the assumption that all vegetarians have the same motivations (hence "if.")

I do think ethical ovo-lacto vegetarians are half-assing it, rather than vegans being "extreme." If (again if) you've decided that you have an ethical responsibility not to eat meat, why ignore the fact that animal slaughter is a consequence of cheese production?
 
2013-05-01 06:54:30 AM

Abacus9: One of my old friends was vegetarian from the time he was 6 years old. He would always try to get me to try different vegetarian dishes that substituted something for meat, claiming "it tastes just like meat, dude!". I came to the conclusion that after awhile, vegetarians completely forget what meat tastes like. Of course, the guy eats nothing BUT meat these days.
/end CSB


I think that artificial meat substitute is the worst disservice anyone has ever done to vegetarianism as a whole. Instead of thinking of people choosing to eat nice vegetable dishes people now think of vegetarians as people who eat bland pseudo-meat along with equally bland meals.
 
2013-05-01 06:55:18 AM

ongbok: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: ongbok: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Fun Dumpster: I'll stay away from the normal meat vs veggie derp, but I'd be curious to see how this public school manages to maintain this when school budgets in New York are already stretched to the breaking point.  Where are they finding the funding to continuously bring in the full veggie menu.  What quality of produce do they intend to use?  I understand that there may be some economy of scale at play, but how are they able to make a nutritionally viable meal on the traditionally meager budget assigned to school lunches?

I'm assuming they're going to be using a lot of refined grains and processed soy instead of fresh, local, seasonal produce. Which is a shame, if true.

What school cafeteria uses fresh, local seasonal produce now? They will use Sysco or Aramark products like every other school district.

Then why eliminate meat at all f you're just going to replace it with less healthy alternatives?

Just because it isn't fresh locally grown produce doesn't mean that it is unhealthy. That giant can of green beans may not be as healthy as fresh green beans, but they will provide the necessary nutrients and isn't unhealthy. Plus providing them with a meat free lunch will probably give them more energy in the afternoon and they will have less of the itis than if they were eating meat.


actually, no... that is not correct. the process of canning/cooking destroys some essential nutrients as well as other good things within the fruit/vegetable in question. there are actually very few vegetables that benefit from cooking (from a nutritional standpoint), and green beans is not one of them. fresh is almost always better, but generally unpalatable to the general population.
 
2013-05-01 06:56:15 AM

Skr: Hmm... gas can get pretty bad on an all vegetarian diet.


wait... did we just solve the energy crisis?
 
2013-05-01 07:03:32 AM

Polyhazard: (hence "if.")


Polyhazard: (again if)


yet you're framing everything you say on only one side of that "if".

Polyhazard: rather than vegans being "extreme.


i didn't call them extreme. again... they took a concept(don't eat animals) and took that concept to an extreme(don't use any animal products EVER).
 
2013-05-01 07:05:13 AM

BarkingUnicorn: There had damned well better be "issues" is school lunch is the only meal a kid gets -  CPS issues


You have no idea. That is really, really common.
 
2013-05-01 07:07:16 AM

log_jammin: Polyhazard: (hence "if.")

Polyhazard: (again if)

yet you're framing everything you say on only one side of that "if".

Polyhazard: rather than vegans being "extreme.

i didn't call them extreme. again... they took a concept(don't eat animals) and took that concept to an extreme(don't use any animal products EVER).


Then we're arguing about nothing. I'm glad we both got a chance to take the time for this exchange.
 
2013-05-01 07:12:07 AM

Polyhazard: Then we're arguing about nothing. I'm glad we both got a chance to take the time for this exchange.


assumptions and not fully reading what a person actually said will do that.
 
2013-05-01 07:27:58 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: Skr: Hmm... gas can get pretty bad on an all vegetarian diet.

wait... did we just solve the energy crisis?


No but we're accelerating climate change with all the methane.
 
2013-05-01 07:32:47 AM
My friend the Skeptic RD is gonna love this one. You're going to find all those kids that have soy allergies in a hurry.

Actually, they could being going with Textured Soy Protein and MSG to make meat substitute. Just about as bad as you can get. I can put together vegetarian diets that'll pack on the fat.

The healthiest thing would be to cut the starches and go with lean meats. Less processed foods are my favorite thing, a via negativa approach.
 
2013-05-01 07:34:18 AM
So you think they'd get mad if I sent my kid to school with a 5lbs bag of mini sausage links and told them to sell them for $0.50/each?
The black market value for those has got to be ridiculous in that school.
 
2013-05-01 07:37:48 AM

wildcardjack: My friend the Skeptic RD is gonna love this one. You're going to find all those kids that have soy allergies in a hurry.

Actually, they could being going with Textured Soy Protein and MSG to make meat substitute. Just about as bad as you can get. I can put together vegetarian diets that'll pack on the fat.

The healthiest thing would be to cut the starches and go with lean meats. Less processed foods are my favorite thing, a via negativa approach.


They basically just exchanged one set of junk food for another.
 
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