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2013-04-30 08:44:25 PM
Yes, because if you're not eating meat at every single meal, you're going to stunt your growth.
 
2013-04-30 09:07:03 PM

RodneyToady: Yes, because if you're not eating meat at every single meal, you're going to stunt your growth.


Children need more fat and complete proteins than adults do. Ideally, they should be having both at every meal
 
2013-04-30 09:25:37 PM
The problem with the proper vegetarian diet isn't that it lacks in any way the necessities of life. And skipping meat once a day never hurt anyone.

The main problem, and the reason vegans should be unwelcome in your home, even as emissaries of a friendly king, is that VEGETABLES ARE NOT MEAT AND YOU CAN'T SUBSTITUTE THEM FOR IT NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO YOU STUPID farkING ASSHOLES!
 
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2013-04-30 09:29:56 PM
Wow! There's some powerful derp here.

I an not a herbivore, but I know enough about nutrition to know that you can get all the protein and fat you need from plants.  You may not enjoy it, but it can be done.
 
2013-04-30 10:00:15 PM
Don't like the school's menu? Send your kid to school with his lunch (a sloppy joe, hamburger, hot dogs).

/and don't forget the occasional PBJ to thin the herd
 
2013-05-01 12:55:38 AM
the meat myth strikes again
 
2013-05-01 01:10:14 AM
It's a vegetarian menu, folks, not vegan. And since it includes cheese, and school lunch programs generally require milk to be offered to the students, it's likely a lacto-ovo vegetarian menu. That means dairy & eggs will be used.
 
2013-05-01 01:37:36 AM
Milk. Cheese. Grain and beans. There's your complete protein
 
2013-05-01 01:39:21 AM

doglover: The problem with the proper vegetarian diet isn't that it lacks in any way the necessities of life. And skipping meat once a day never hurt anyone.

The main problem, and the reason vegans should be unwelcome in your home, even as emissaries of a friendly king, is that VEGETABLES ARE NOT MEAT AND YOU CAN'T SUBSTITUTE THEM FOR IT NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO YOU STUPID farkING ASSHOLES!


The problem with a proper vegetarian diet is that 99.5% of elementary school kids wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot hot dog. All this means is more school lunches in the trash can, and more kids eating Extra-Spicy Cheetohs and Gatorade for lunch. But hey, keep on trying to promote those healthful eating habits.
 
2013-05-01 01:40:41 AM
There's gonna be trouble when some kids points their carrot at someone like a gun.
 
2013-05-01 01:41:58 AM
Ah. Must be done with the Wisconsin thread.
 
2013-05-01 01:42:05 AM
You know what I liked eating in elementary school?  Brownies!  Hey Oh!

/seriously, they should have a pig roast in the school cafeteria every noon time.
 
2013-05-01 01:42:34 AM
I'm not sure replacing chicken with a cheese quesadilla is healthier
 
2013-05-01 01:44:34 AM

CruJones: I'm not sure replacing chicken with a cheese quesadilla is healthier


Especially since it isn't real cheese.

\Kraft is a tool of the Wyrm
 
2013-05-01 01:45:35 AM
For this to be an actual debate on the merits of a vegetarian achool lunch, you must first presuppose that the hamburgers, pepperoni pizza and beef tacos served in the traditional public school hot lunch contain meat.... from actual cows and pigs..... having eaten that for 12 years, I'm not sure I'm willing to go that far out on a limb.
 
2013-05-01 01:45:59 AM

doglover: The problem with the proper vegetarian diet isn't that it lacks in any way the necessities of life. And skipping meat once a day never hurt anyone.

The main problem, and the reason vegans should be unwelcome in your home, even as emissaries of a friendly king, is that VEGETABLES ARE NOT MEAT AND YOU CAN'T SUBSTITUTE THEM FOR IT NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO YOU STUPID farkING ASSHOLES!


You'd be absolutely stunned by the numbers of people who don't know this basic fact. Why, back in 2006, there were something like 300 million vegetarian Indians. I'm not sure how many have survived, their population must be dropping like a stone.
 
2013-05-01 01:47:10 AM

CruJones: I'm not sure replacing chicken with a cheese quesadilla is healthier


seriously, a farking fried cheese on processerd totilla butter biscuit ? coronary by 4th grade.  These vegetarians are farking dumb.  roasted or braised meat of any kind, as long as unprocessed, is far better than any fried cheese or fried vegetable entree.  kids are not eating steamed vegetables they will have to fry all of it. you can grill or roast a chicken thigh.
 
2013-05-01 01:51:23 AM
You can lead a kid to veggies but you can't make them eat.
 
2013-05-01 01:53:47 AM
Soy has not exactly proven to be great for children either, I hope they're moderating that shiat tightly.
 
2013-05-01 01:55:14 AM
black beans and cheddar quesadillas served with salsa and roasted potatoes. That sounds good. I'm going to make that now.
 
2013-05-01 01:56:18 AM

doglover: The problem with the proper vegetarian diet isn't that it lacks in any way the necessities of life. And skipping meat once a day never hurt anyone.

The main problem, and the reason vegans should be unwelcome in your home, even as emissaries of a friendly king, is that VEGETABLES ARE NOT MEAT AND YOU CAN'T SUBSTITUTE THEM FOR IT NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO YOU STUPID farkING ASSHOLES!


So true. The last time I had a vegan over for dinner (and we had agreed to cook an all vegan dinner) I stood in my kitchen blinking in complete silence for about an hour when I realized I couldn't use butter.
 
2013-05-01 02:00:00 AM
no clue if true
but perhaps offers a why of other peoples thinking


http://www.purifymind.com/MeatProtein.htm
Eating such enormous quantities of animal proteins has a profound effect on human behaviour. Generally in nature carnivorous animals are fierce and aggressive, while non-carnivorous ones are peaceful and sociable. Another thing that can easily be seen is the gradual reduction in aggression in human beings as they move from a diet containing large amounts of meat towards one excluding high protein foods, especially meat. It is also well known that dogs, although carnivorous in nature, keep guard and attack strangers more effectively if they are fed larger than normal meat rations. Similarly, in wartime, when men are to take part in highly risky military action, they have to be given large meat rations, so that the meat is used as a drug to develop aggression, violence and moral insensitivity.

perhaps a desire for a more placid population
(dont think thats going to work)

oh also
know who else was a vegetarian
(finally got to do that in a fark thread)
 
2013-05-01 02:01:51 AM
Yes, let's give kids another reason to hate school.
 
2013-05-01 02:01:53 AM
One meal no protein isn't really a huge deal, as long as real, whole foods are substituted. Processed soy (tofu) and processed carbs, however, are a horrible idea.
 
2013-05-01 02:02:11 AM

Ranger Rover: doglover: The problem with the proper vegetarian diet isn't that it lacks in any way the necessities of life. And skipping meat once a day never hurt anyone.

The main problem, and the reason vegans should be unwelcome in your home, even as emissaries of a friendly king, is that VEGETABLES ARE NOT MEAT AND YOU CAN'T SUBSTITUTE THEM FOR IT NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO YOU STUPID farkING ASSHOLES!

So true. The last time I had a vegan over for dinner (and we had agreed to cook an all vegan dinner) I stood in my kitchen blinking in complete silence for about an hour when I realized I couldn't use butter.


I'm sorry but that made me lol
 
2013-05-01 02:03:15 AM

Ranger Rover: So true. The last time I had a vegan over for dinner (and we had agreed to cook an all vegan dinner) I stood in my kitchen blinking in complete silence for about an hour when I realized I couldn't use butter.


Old joke time

Q.  How do you know if there's a vegan at your dinner party?

A.  Oh, don't worry. they'll  make sure that you know.
 
2013-05-01 02:03:24 AM
I'll stay away from the normal meat vs veggie derp, but I'd be curious to see how this public school manages to maintain this when school budgets in New York are already stretched to the breaking point.  Where are they finding the funding to continuously bring in the full veggie menu.  What quality of produce do they intend to use?  I understand that there may be some economy of scale at play, but how are they able to make a nutritionally viable meal on the traditionally meager budget assigned to school lunches?
 
2013-05-01 02:03:36 AM

Ranger Rover: doglover: The problem with the proper vegetarian diet isn't that it lacks in any way the necessities of life. And skipping meat once a day never hurt anyone.

The main problem, and the reason vegans should be unwelcome in your home, even as emissaries of a friendly king, is that VEGETABLES ARE NOT MEAT AND YOU CAN'T SUBSTITUTE THEM FOR IT NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO YOU STUPID farkING ASSHOLES!

So true. The last time I had a vegan over for dinner (and we had agreed to cook an all vegan dinner) I stood in my kitchen blinking in complete silence for about an hour when I realized I couldn't use butter.


Vegan cooking is lust free. There is nothing unctuous or lush about it, and there can't be. It's like Mormon sex, but food.
 
2013-05-01 02:04:05 AM
The way this will settle out - the moment cheese pizza is offered, it will be the most popular dish. So the school cafeteria will make it more often, because it not only fills the requirement, but it's really cheap and easo. And so it will be exactly like every other school cafeteria over the past 3+ decades.
 
2013-05-01 02:04:18 AM
My lunches during the week consist mostly of vegetables, beans or pasta and fruit. I rarely ever eat meat during the week for lunch. I have found that since doing this for lunch I have more energy after lunch than I did when I would eat meat at lunch and don't get the groggy feeling after lunch that I used to get.
 
2013-05-01 02:04:24 AM
Protein does play a role in childhood development, but i'd wager it's better for a child to get plenty of vitamins and nutrients and just a little protein, than it is for them to get lots of protein and very little vitamins, which is what most children's diets are these days. Just shoveling meat and 'junk food' into their mouths constantly, leading to the bizarre modern phenomenon of people who are obese AND malnourished.
 
2013-05-01 02:05:22 AM

Fun Dumpster: I'll stay away from the normal meat vs veggie derp, but I'd be curious to see how this public school manages to maintain this when school budgets in New York are already stretched to the breaking point.  Where are they finding the funding to continuously bring in the full veggie menu.  What quality of produce do they intend to use?  I understand that there may be some economy of scale at play, but how are they able to make a nutritionally viable meal on the traditionally meager budget assigned to school lunches?


I'm assuming they're going to be using a lot of refined grains and processed soy instead of fresh, local, seasonal produce. Which is a shame, if true.
 
2013-05-01 02:06:53 AM

J. Frank Parnell: Protein does play a role in childhood development, but i'd wager it's better for a child to get plenty of vitamins and nutrients and just a little protein, than it is for them to get lots of protein and very little vitamins, which is what most children's diets are these days. Just shoveling meat and 'junk food' into their mouths constantly, leading to the bizarre modern phenomenon of people who are obese AND malnourished.


Meat is full of vitamins and minerals, as well as amino acids. It's mainly the processed carbs that lead to the obese/malnourished paradigm.
 
2013-05-01 02:07:42 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Fun Dumpster: I'll stay away from the normal meat vs veggie derp, but I'd be curious to see how this public school manages to maintain this when school budgets in New York are already stretched to the breaking point.  Where are they finding the funding to continuously bring in the full veggie menu.  What quality of produce do they intend to use?  I understand that there may be some economy of scale at play, but how are they able to make a nutritionally viable meal on the traditionally meager budget assigned to school lunches?

I'm assuming they're going to be using a lot of refined grains and processed soy instead of fresh, local, seasonal produce. Which is a shame, if true.


What school cafeteria uses fresh, local seasonal produce now? They will use Sysco or Aramark products like every other school district.
 
2013-05-01 02:08:01 AM
OH, i dont know, i think you could feed the crotch fruit as much drippy red blooded meat as you want for the dinner you serve at home.

Why not give the kids a break from all those meat-derived hormones? You know anyone with this attitude isn't going to be avoiding it any other place.
 
2013-05-01 02:08:37 AM

Fun Dumpster: I'll stay away from the normal meat vs veggie derp, but I'd be curious to see how this public school manages to maintain this when school budgets in New York are already stretched to the breaking point.  Where are they finding the funding to continuously bring in the full veggie menu.  What quality of produce do they intend to use?  I understand that there may be some economy of scale at play, but how are they able to make a nutritionally viable meal on the traditionally meager budget assigned to school lunches?


true that. fresh produce is expensive. most school cafeterias have stacks of huge cans with suspicious government labels on them. someone would have to be damn clever for schools to be able to serve mostly whole unprocessed healthy foods on a regular basis.
 
2013-05-01 02:08:44 AM

doglover: The problem with the proper vegetarian diet isn't that it lacks in any way the necessities of life. And skipping meat once a day never hurt anyone.

The main problem, and the reason vegans should be unwelcome in your home, even as emissaries of a friendly king, is that VEGETABLES ARE NOT MEAT AND YOU CAN'T SUBSTITUTE THEM FOR IT NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO YOU STUPID farkING ASSHOLES!


True (not really)

I cannot tell you how much I really really enjoyed tasting a local meat.
Golden retriever, kinda salty but very tender

// tasty tasty dog meat, mmm I love it
/ for reference yes you can substitute meat with vegetables, most of the world populations are vegetarian you farking ignorant dickwad
 
2013-05-01 02:09:07 AM

ongbok: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Fun Dumpster: I'll stay away from the normal meat vs veggie derp, but I'd be curious to see how this public school manages to maintain this when school budgets in New York are already stretched to the breaking point.  Where are they finding the funding to continuously bring in the full veggie menu.  What quality of produce do they intend to use?  I understand that there may be some economy of scale at play, but how are they able to make a nutritionally viable meal on the traditionally meager budget assigned to school lunches?

I'm assuming they're going to be using a lot of refined grains and processed soy instead of fresh, local, seasonal produce. Which is a shame, if true.

What school cafeteria uses fresh, local seasonal produce now? They will use Sysco or Aramark products like every other school district.


Then why eliminate meat at all f you're just going to replace it with less healthy alternatives?
 
2013-05-01 02:09:16 AM
This is dumb.  I am a vegetarian, it's a personal choice not something you enforce. You can do plenty of healthy and tasty meals with or without meat.  There is no reason to call all vegetarian, give the kids options.  Maybe one or two vegetarian days a week just to try and prod kids to try it but no more than that.
 
2013-05-01 02:09:39 AM
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Your problem was that you went full veggie.  You  never go full veggie.
 
2013-05-01 02:09:42 AM
I smell lawsuit hilarity potential, discrimination claims incoming.
 
2013-05-01 02:10:13 AM

doglover: skipping meat once a day never hurt anyone.


You shut your whore mouth!  Meat is why American men have enormous penises
 
2013-05-01 02:10:46 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Meat is full of vitamins


There's some, but not enough to keep someone healthy. Carnivores produce vitamin c within their bodies to make up for what they don't get in their diets, but humans rely entirely on their diet to get it.
 
2013-05-01 02:12:57 AM

vpb: Wow! There's some powerful derp here.

I an not a herbivore, but I know enough about nutrition to know that you can get all the protein and fat you need from plants.  You may not enjoy it, but it can be done.


I'll start this off by saying I eat shiat loads of meat. Delicious meat.

Yet I have two sets of aunt/uncles, with multiple kids who are vegetarian and are doing just fine. People can toss around jokes and disses, but people who take issue with something like this are not very smart. The worst that can happen is that your child eats food that is apparently not what your child wants at that exact minute. Often the same people bemoaning that other people aren't tough enough - apparently having to eat vegetables for lunch doesn't conflict with this 'world going to a handbasket' view.

As always, veganism gets brought up by some idiots who think this is a slippery slope to some alternate timeline where you're forced at gunpoint to eat grass. I love you crazy Americans that way - the slightest shift in anything is an assault on your freedom.
 
2013-05-01 02:15:48 AM
I wonder what they'd do if I sent my kids to school with some salami, cheese, crackers, and fruit like I did today?
 
2013-05-01 02:15:49 AM
I'd have no problem with the school feeding my kid veggies only.  They can proper food like Fruit Loops and chocolate milk when they get home.
 
2013-05-01 02:16:21 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: ongbok: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Fun Dumpster: I'll stay away from the normal meat vs veggie derp, but I'd be curious to see how this public school manages to maintain this when school budgets in New York are already stretched to the breaking point.  Where are they finding the funding to continuously bring in the full veggie menu.  What quality of produce do they intend to use?  I understand that there may be some economy of scale at play, but how are they able to make a nutritionally viable meal on the traditionally meager budget assigned to school lunches?

I'm assuming they're going to be using a lot of refined grains and processed soy instead of fresh, local, seasonal produce. Which is a shame, if true.

What school cafeteria uses fresh, local seasonal produce now? They will use Sysco or Aramark products like every other school district.

Then why eliminate meat at all f you're just going to replace it with less healthy alternatives?


Just because it isn't fresh locally grown produce doesn't mean that it is unhealthy. That giant can of green beans may not be as healthy as fresh green beans, but they will provide the necessary nutrients and isn't unhealthy. Plus providing them with a meat free lunch will probably give them more energy in the afternoon and they will have less of the itis than if they were eating meat.
 
2013-05-01 02:17:14 AM

vpb: Wow! There's some powerful derp here.

I an not a herbivore, but I know enough about nutrition to know that you can get all the protein and fat you need from plants.  You may not enjoy it, but it can be done.


Yes, but the extra carbs one will consume in order to get all the other nutrients you need.

Yikes.
 
2013-05-01 02:19:19 AM

painless42: For this to be an actual debate on the merits of a vegetarian achool lunch, you must first presuppose that the hamburgers, pepperoni pizza and beef tacos served in the traditional public school hot lunch contain meat.... from actual cows and pigs..... having eaten that for 12 years, I'm not sure I'm willing to go that far out on a limb.


I was going to go on a rant, but your post raises a valid point.
 
2013-05-01 02:20:47 AM
this is why asians are short.
 
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