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2013-04-30 06:30:05 PM  
Good. Can't wait to see the fundies crying in their Cheerios over this one.
 
2013-04-30 06:32:17 PM  
And the sound of conservative heads exploding was heard throughout the land.
 
2013-04-30 06:35:10 PM  
Good.  Good.
 
2013-04-30 06:36:12 PM  
Just think how many abortions this will prevent.  Surely the anti-abortionists will be rejoicing at this news.
 
2013-04-30 06:42:29 PM  
Hell yeah, now you can roofie them at night and Plan B them in the morning.
 
2013-04-30 06:43:20 PM  

Kimothy: Good. Can't wait to see the fundies crying in their Cheerios over this one.


Really?
 
2013-04-30 06:43:21 PM  

basemetal: Hell yeah, now you can roofie them at night


So Plan A?
 
2013-04-30 06:45:08 PM  
I'm going to make a living selling this at the local junior high.
 
2013-04-30 06:59:47 PM  
When do they start selling Viagra OTC? Seems like it would be a nice counterbalance.
 
2013-04-30 07:04:32 PM  
Now that's some good news.
 
2013-04-30 07:11:56 PM  

Red Shirt Blues: When do they start selling Viagra OTC? Seems like it would be a nice counterbalance.


I wish to subscribe to your newsletter, Sir.
 
2013-04-30 07:17:58 PM  
cant wait to see the first commercial for it.
 
2013-04-30 07:18:47 PM  
So it's not legal for a 15 year old to consent to sex, but it's just fine if she buys a morning after pill without parental permission? Not really understanding the logic behind that decision.
 
2013-04-30 07:20:21 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: So it's not legal for a 15 year old to consent to sex, but it's just fine if she buys a morning after pill without parental permission? Not really understanding the logic behind that decision.


Because they're two entirely different issues.
 
2013-04-30 07:24:01 PM  

Aarontology: Because they're two entirely different issues.


How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.
 
2013-04-30 07:27:59 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: So it's not legal for a 15 year old to consent to sex, but it's just fine if she buys a morning after pill without parental permission? Not really understanding the logic behind that decision.


Should we also ban the purchase of contraception?

Also, it's legal for a 15 year old to have sex with another 15 year old.  And they do it all the time without worrying much about the law (and would continue to do so even if it were illegal).  Since this is going to happen anyway, we would at least like to limit the number of children produced from the activity.
 
2013-04-30 07:29:00 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Aarontology: Because they're two entirely different issues.

How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.


Minors still have a right to have control over their own body and their own future.

What about the parents who force the girl to have the kid against her will?

Sex is gonna happen. It's nature.
 
2013-04-30 07:29:48 PM  

TheOnion: Also, it's legal for a 15 year old to have sex with another 15 year old.


That's not true in all states.
 
2013-04-30 07:30:44 PM  
Popcorn Johnny: Aarontology: Because they're two entirely different issues.
  How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.

Frankly, I'd rather a 15 year old girl buy a morning after pill and avoid pregnancy all together than end up having a kid she can't take care of because she was too busy trying to hide everything from her parents or because her parents are fundie asshats that force her to have go through with the pregnancy rather help her get an abortion.
 
2013-04-30 07:32:14 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: TheOnion: Also, it's legal for a 15 year old to have sex with another 15 year old.

That's not true in all states.


So are you in favor of banning the sale of contraception or the morning after pill to 15 year olds in that jurisdiction?

Surely, you must agree that would cause more problems rather than solving them in terms of unplanned pregnancy and STD transmission, correct?
 
2013-04-30 07:32:28 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: So it's not legal for a 15 year old to consent to sex, but it's just fine if she buys a morning after pill without parental permission? Not really understanding the logic behind that decision.


First, in most states, it's legal under many circumstances.
Second, your analogy is flawed. It's like saying "It's illegal for felons to own guns, therefore felons should be unable to receive medical treatment if they accidentally shoot themselves with a gun."
 
2013-04-30 07:34:05 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.


Because the age of consent has nothing to do with a person purchasing medicine. As far as the law is concerned, now that the morning after pill is OTC, it's not any different (legally) than the 15 year old buying Advil or Claratin.

I get how they're connected in this context, but they're different laws governing different behavior.
 
2013-04-30 07:36:28 PM  

TheOnion: So are you in favor of banning the sale of contraception or the morning after pill to 15 year olds in that jurisdiction?

Surely, you must agree that would cause more problems rather than solving them in terms of unplanned pregnancy and STD transmission, correct?


If it was up to me, we would have one age of consent for the entire country. Seems silly that what you do in one state makes you a rapist in another. That said, I don't agree with girls under the age of consent being able to purchase this without their parents knowledge. Maybe it should be that they don't need parental permission, but the parents are notified of the purchase after the fact.
 
2013-04-30 07:43:47 PM  
How long until pharmacies and department stores refuse to carry it regardless?
 
2013-04-30 07:43:48 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.


Which is why all other consumer transactions involving minors require parental consent?
 
2013-04-30 07:43:56 PM  
Popcorn Johnny

If it was up to me, we would have one age of consent for the entire country. Seems silly that what you do in one state makes you a rapist in another. That said, I don't agree with girls under the age of consent being able to purchase this without their parents knowledge. Maybe it should be that they don't need parental permission, but the parents are notified of the purchase after the fact.

Would you rather see a theoretical and fantasy gain of the parental knowledge (also theoretically preventing this teen sex in this fantasy), which is just going to lead to children foregoing protection and having unprotected sex, or would you rather see the real world gain of fewer STDs and unplanned teen pregnancy?

I prefer making the real world better.  If you prefer fantasy, maybe you should sit down and rethink things.
 
2013-04-30 07:44:03 PM  
1.bp.blogspot.com

I am utterly disgusted by this news. Only a monstrous sociopath could look upon the above image and not recognize the sight of a precious human life whose willful termination is premeditated murder.
 
2013-04-30 07:44:21 PM  
Let the outrage begin!
 
2013-04-30 07:45:09 PM  
Meh, teens be farking, like it or not.

/they don't need to be parenting
//no matter if they saw it on Mtv or not
 
2013-04-30 07:45:28 PM  

Aarontology: Popcorn Johnny: How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.

Because the age of consent has nothing to do with a person purchasing medicine. As far as the law is concerned, now that the morning after pill is OTC, it's not any different (legally) than the 15 year old buying Advil or Claratin.

I get how they're connected in this context, but they're different laws governing different behavior.


These work wonders with some wine coolers.
 
2013-04-30 07:45:33 PM  

Dimensio: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 346x369]

I am utterly disgusted by this news. Only a monstrous sociopath could look upon the above image and not recognize the sight of a precious human life whose willful termination is premeditated murder.


Oddly enough at first glace I thought that was a condom.
 
2013-04-30 07:45:45 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: That said, I don't agree with girls under the age of consent being able to purchase this without their parents knowledge. Maybe it should be that they don't need parental permission, but the parents are notified of the purchase after the fact.


Why? The only other analogy out there are states that require parental notice to get an abortion. Do you think Plan B is an abortifacient? It's not. It's emergency contraceptive, it prevents pregnancy from occuring, it doesn't terminate an already-existing pregnancy.

Do you think parents should be notified when their children buy condoms?
 
2013-04-30 07:45:58 PM  

gadian: How long until pharmacies and department stores refuse to carry it regardless?


I assume it will be sold next to 5 Hour Energy at the Kwikee Mart.
 
2013-04-30 07:46:55 PM  
The government is moving the morning-after pill over the counter but only those 15 and older can buy it -- an attempt to find middle ground just days before a court-imposed deadline to lift all age restrictions on the emergency contraceptive.

Federal Judge:  You are hereby ordered to do XYZ.
FDA: OK, lets just do X instead.
(Next week) Federal Judge:  Perhaps you didn't hear me clearly...
 
2013-04-30 07:46:56 PM  
You just watch, this is going to cause crime, destroy the innocence of our children, bring the wraith of god upon us, destroy american society, and cause the further advance the women's war on men.

You just watch.
 
2013-04-30 07:47:15 PM  
"The farking Costco! A year's worth of macaroni and cheese, a 50 gallon drum of cranberry juice, or a pill that will kill a baby!"
 
2013-04-30 07:47:26 PM  

Kimothy: Good. Can't wait to see the fundies crying in their Cheerios over this one.


Just wait for all those high moral cashiers who refuse to check out any item they find morally objectionable.
 
2013-04-30 07:47:27 PM  
Popcorn!  Get your popcorn!

/I'm sure this thread will be thoughtful and san . . .
//HA! I almost finished typing that without laughing
 
2013-04-30 07:47:31 PM  
Between this, Tebow being told he sucks at football, and Jason Collins coming out, the Fundies have had a real bad week
 
2013-04-30 07:47:49 PM  
The thing to remember here, kids, is that pissing against the wind just makes you piss-covered. What you should be doing is pissing against the wind into a receptacle of some kind. Abstinence is goddamn stupid what with those hormones we've got so, as a right-to-center libertarian, I approve this idea wholeheartedly.

My wife is a conservative and she also approves. If kids are gonna be stupid no matter what, we may as well do something useful for them rather then talking about not being stupid.
 
2013-04-30 07:48:41 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: So it's not legal for a 15 year old to consent to sex, but it's just fine if she buys a morning after pill without parental permission? Not really understanding the logic behind that decision.


Fixed that........
 
2013-04-30 07:48:46 PM  
*Not valid in Jesusland
 
2013-04-30 07:49:00 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Aarontology: Because they're two entirely different issues.

How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.


Nope, the guvment is taking care of your kids now. Didn't you get the memo?
 
2013-04-30 07:49:22 PM  

Rincewind53: Popcorn Johnny: That said, I don't agree with girls under the age of consent being able to purchase this without their parents knowledge. Maybe it should be that they don't need parental permission, but the parents are notified of the purchase after the fact.

Why? The only other analogy out there are states that require parental notice to get an abortion. Do you think Plan B is an abortifacient? It's not. It's emergency contraceptive, it prevents pregnancy from occuring, it doesn't terminate an already-existing pregnancy.

Do you think parents should be notified when their children buy condoms?


Don't go giving him ideas.

Really - don't. If he's anything like a standard-model conservative his brain's already at capacity.  Shoving something new in one ear only causes something else they used to know to leak out the other.
 
2013-04-30 07:49:29 PM  

Dr. Goldshnoz: You just watch, this is going to cause crime, destroy the innocence of our children, bring the wraith of god upon us, destroy american society, and cause the further advance the women's war on men.

You just watch.


I don't think so. According to Pat Robertson and the late (yay!) Jerry Falwell, homos are to blame for all those things. Homos and lezzies. Homos, lesbians, and pagans. Homos, lesbians, pagans, and...oh forget it.  Let's just call it "everyone who doesn't watch Pat Robertson".
 
2013-04-30 07:49:45 PM  

Dr. Goldshnoz: You just watch, this is going to cause crime, destroy the innocence of our children, bring the wraith of god upon us, destroy american society, and cause the further advance the women's war on men.

You just watch.


Of equal concern is the confusion that will result in what percentage of crime, destruction of innocence, wrath of god, destruction of society and advancement of the war on men is a result of this move by the Food and Drug Administration, and what percentage of those calamities are a result of same-sex marriage.
 
2013-04-30 07:49:48 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: TheOnion: Also, it's legal for a 15 year old to have sex with another 15 year old.

That's not true in all states.


neither is smoking cigarettes (i live in Afghanistan)
 
2013-04-30 07:49:57 PM  
I just don't understand one thing about this pills: If I fark during lunch break, why do I have to wait 'til the next morning to use it?
 
2013-04-30 07:50:25 PM  
i'mokaywiththis.jpg
 
2013-04-30 07:50:25 PM  
Now prom goers won't have to buy the pregnancy test the morning after prom.  Just buy this product and problems solved.
 
2013-04-30 07:51:05 PM  

mayIFark: I just don't understand one thing about this pills: If I fark during lunch break, why do I have to wait 'til the next morning to use it?


You don't have to, it just goes great with a Bloody Mary or Mimosa
 
2013-04-30 07:51:05 PM  
Obama's going to turn all teenagers into promiscuous atheist whores!!
 
2013-04-30 07:51:08 PM  
If you're gonna stop things, best to stop things before they even get to the blastocyst stage, I say.
 
2013-04-30 07:51:09 PM  
I wonder who we will have lost.
 
2013-04-30 07:51:30 PM  
AWESOME!!!!!

This means less abortions and teen pregnancy!

/Sadly most pro-life/anti-abortionist will not get that
 
2013-04-30 07:51:41 PM  
This is that thing that makes you forget when you slept with someone ugly the night before, right?
 
2013-04-30 07:51:55 PM  
Waiting for a combination blend of rohypnol and time-release plan B.
 
2013-04-30 07:52:02 PM  

TomD9938: I wonder who we will have lost.


Probably another Hitler, thank God.
 
2013-04-30 07:52:02 PM  

RKade: The thing to remember here, kids, is that pissing against the wind just makes you piss-covered. What you should be doing is pissing against the wind into a receptacle of some kind. Abstinence is goddamn stupid what with those hormones we've got so, as a right-to-center libertarian, I approve this idea wholeheartedly.

My wife is a conservative and she also approves. If kids are gonna be stupid no matter what, we may as well do something useful for them rather then talking about not being stupid.


I liked everything about this.
 
2013-04-30 07:52:18 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.


Not if the kids are 18 or older. HIPAA specifically forbids that. Even if the kids are still under their parent's insurance, the parents do not have a legal right to find out what treatment their child receives.
 
2013-04-30 07:53:23 PM  

Tumunga: Nope, the guvment is taking care of your kids now. Didn't you get the memo?


The government not overly regulating people's medical decisions and consumer transactions, nor conducting surveillance over children, is "taking care of your kids now"?
 
2013-04-30 07:53:33 PM  
Well, that's probably the end of the FDA as we know it. Conservatives will completely destroy the agency, just like they did with the SEC and the EPA
 
2013-04-30 07:53:33 PM  

ultraholland: Obama's going to turn all teenagers into promiscuous atheist whores!!


Oh wow...that would be *awesome*.
 
2013-04-30 07:53:40 PM  

Red Shirt Blues: When do they start selling Viagra OTC? Seems like it would be a nice counterbalance.


Soon as Pfizer™ runs out of bribe money to keep the price up at prescription levels.
 
2013-04-30 07:53:53 PM  

gadian: How long until pharmacies and department stores refuse to carry it regardless?


About as long as it will take pharmacies and department stores to stop being capitalists, I imagine. A few establishments in "Deliverance" Bible Belt towns notwithstanding.
 
2013-04-30 07:53:54 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-30 07:54:02 PM  
kindda good. There should be no age restriction.
 
2013-04-30 07:54:24 PM  
Cool.  Now, instead of having long arguments about abortion all I have to do is serve them breakfast.
 
2013-04-30 07:54:43 PM  

Rincewind53: Do you think Plan B is an abortifacient? It's not. It's emergency contraceptive, it prevents pregnancy from occuring, it doesn't terminate an already-existing pregnancy.


I know what it does, thanks.
 
2013-04-30 07:55:02 PM  
Just out of curiosity: how does a 15-year-old prove their age?
 
2013-04-30 07:55:18 PM  

SilentStrider: Not if the kids are 18 or older.


You're pretty much making my point for me.
 
2013-04-30 07:55:20 PM  

gadian: How long until pharmacies and department stores refuse to carry it regardless?


Tomorrow?
 
2013-04-30 07:55:38 PM  
denver.mylittlefacewhen.com
 
2013-04-30 07:56:10 PM  

Dr. Goldshnoz: You just watch, this is going to cause crime, destroy the innocence of our children, bring the wraith of god upon us, destroy american society, and cause the further advance the women's war on men.

You just watch.


I thought all that was due to either single mother homes or homosexuality.
 
2013-04-30 07:56:22 PM  

SilentStrider: Popcorn Johnny: How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.

Not if the kids are 18 or older. HIPAA specifically forbids that. Even if the kids are still under their parent's insurance, the parents do not have a legal right to find out what treatment their child receives.


Not defending the guy, but his argument concerned 15 year-olds. Last time I checked, 15 was less than 18.
 
2013-04-30 07:56:43 PM  
Good.
 
2013-04-30 07:56:46 PM  

theorellior: TomD9938: I wonder who we will have lost.

Probably another Hitler, thank God.


Aside from his love of committing genocide, Hitler had a lot going for him.
 
2013-04-30 07:56:51 PM  

TomD9938: I wonder who we will have lost.


You know it isn't a zero-sum game.... right?

Girls and women who use this and who get abortions can go onto have children. Kids they maybe wouldn't have had if they were forced to have this one. Kids they in all likelihood will be better equipped to raise, since studies show women tend to make good judgements as to whether or not they can afford a child when they have an abortion. But no, lost kids.

\fed the troll =(
 
2013-04-30 07:57:15 PM  
U.S. District Judge Edward Korman of New York blasted the Obama administration for imposing the age-17 limit

 And now the Obama administration can't get the morning-after-being-blasted pill, it's only 4 years old!

Ha, ha, only joking.  We like to have fun here.  I'll just continue RTFA...


Half the nation's pregnancies every year are unintended

weblogs.sun-sentinel.com

Holy dickballs, that's farking awful.
 
2013-04-30 07:57:53 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: Kimothy: Good. Can't wait to see the fundies crying in their Cheerios over this one.

Just wait for all those high moral cashiers who refuse to check out any item they find morally objectionable.


Actually that's a quick way to law suite for either gender or age discrimination.  The only options they have is to not carry it (dunno what came from that one case), price gouge or to simply stock so little it is always sold out

The one thing to remember if its OTC: ha ha no insurance discount for you, pay the full price sucker
 
2013-04-30 07:58:05 PM  
Aboot time Americans. Plan B has no age limit in Canada and sold over the counter / on the shelves. This is the stuff that can help prevent future abortions. Great day for the
 
2013-04-30 07:58:35 PM  
 Somebody have some fun with this :-)
www.vitacost.com
 
2013-04-30 07:58:46 PM  
If I snort enough can I get high? How about grow boobs? Because I'm fine with either.
 
2013-04-30 07:58:58 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Rincewind53: Do you think Plan B is an abortifacient? It's not. It's emergency contraceptive, it prevents pregnancy from occuring, it doesn't terminate an already-existing pregnancy.

I know what it does, thanks.


So then I go back to my other question. Do you think condoms should require parental permission/notification? Condoms and Plan B do the same things, just at different times.
 
2013-04-30 07:59:12 PM  

TheOnion: Popcorn Johnny: So it's not legal for a 15 year old to consent to sex, but it's just fine if she buys a morning after pill without parental permission? Not really understanding the logic behind that decision.

Should we also ban the purchase of contraception?

Also, it's legal for a 15 year old to have sex with another 15 year old.  And they do it all the time without worrying much about the law (and would continue to do so even if it were illegal).  Since this is going to happen anyway, we would at least like to limit the number of children produced from the activity.


You are assuming that a 15 yr old has the brains to make that decision. I highly doubt it. There is a reason why they can't drive, vote or drink legally at that age.
 
2013-04-30 07:59:31 PM  
I just killed some skin cells by scratching myself.
 
2013-04-30 07:59:54 PM  
If you want to abort, you have to take Methotrexate.

/take 15mg of Methotrexate each week.
//Rheumatoid arthritis.
 
2013-04-30 07:59:55 PM  

ontariolightning: Aboot time Americans. Plan B has no age limit in Canada and sold over the counter / on the shelves. This is the stuff that can help prevent future abortions. Great day for the


So a thirteen year old in Canada can just walk up to the pharmacy counter and buy Plan B, no questions asked?
 
2013-04-30 08:00:27 PM  

TomD9938: I wonder who we will have lost.


Ah yes, the argument from potential. So the idea is that more people on the planet is inherently good, regardless of Earth's ability to support them? By that logic every fertile woman who refuses to have sex with me is a baby killer.

FILL THE PLANET ELBOW-TO-ELBOW WITH HUMANS!
 
2013-04-30 08:00:38 PM  
hopefully someone can figure out how to put it in the water supply of poor neighborhoods.
 
2013-04-30 08:01:09 PM  

Anthracite: You are assuming that a 15 yr old has the brains to make that decision. I highly doubt it. There is a reason why they can't drive, vote or drink legally at that age.


Or not.
 
2013-04-30 08:01:56 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: SilentStrider: Not if the kids are 18 or older.

You're pretty much making my point for me.


*re-reads*

Ahh.
My bad.
 
2013-04-30 08:02:06 PM  

Begoggle: I just killed some skin cells by scratching myself.


YOU MONSTER
 
2013-04-30 08:02:33 PM  

Rincewind53: Condoms and Plan B do the same things, just at different times.


Can you explain what you mean by this?
 
2013-04-30 08:02:45 PM  

CaptSacto: And the sound of conservative heads exploding was heard throughout the land.


...the freepers are moaning about how they need to show ID to get sudafed but kids can get RU-486 without a prescription.

One person noted that Plan B is not RU-486 and was ignored.
 
2013-04-30 08:02:47 PM  

Qellaqan: Girls and women who use this and who get abortions can go onto have children. Kids they maybe wouldn't have had if they were forced to have this one. Kids they in all likelihood will be better equipped to raise,


Right.   No one great ever grew up under difficult circumstances.
 
2013-04-30 08:02:49 PM  
See, while this will legitimately help some people, I know from seeing it firsthand at pharmacies in, shall we say, the less reputable neighborhoods of Providence, that there are people that will go in almost every other week to buy said drugs.  You'd think the girl would just tell the guys to use a condom or it's an extra $50.

\then again, same store had an issue with some crackhead coming in and literally shiatting all over the bathroom
\\it's easily the store I miss the least
 
2013-04-30 08:02:54 PM  

Kimothy: Good. Can't wait to see the fundies crying in their Cheerios over this one.


It's not quite a total victory, unfortunately, as the 15-or-older with ID limit is still in place. It'll be a proper victory when that age limit and ID requirement is lifted, and you can buy this like you'd buy aspirin.

Given our population demands, anything that avoids unwanted pregnancy should be as free as friggin' water at this point. But, again, there are knuckle-draggers that want to ensure that women who have sex out of wedlock are treated as less than human, and so they won't let something like this go without a fight.
 
2013-04-30 08:02:59 PM  

Anthracite: TheOnion: Popcorn Johnny: So it's not legal for a 15 year old to consent to sex, but it's just fine if she buys a morning after pill without parental permission? Not really understanding the logic behind that decision.

Should we also ban the purchase of contraception?

Also, it's legal for a 15 year old to have sex with another 15 year old.  And they do it all the time without worrying much about the law (and would continue to do so even if it were illegal).  Since this is going to happen anyway, we would at least like to limit the number of children produced from the activity.

You are assuming that a 15 yr old has the brains to make that decision. I highly doubt it. There is a reason why they can't drive, vote or drink legally at that age.


How much brain do you need to decide whether you should bear a child at 15?
 
2013-04-30 08:03:01 PM  

Anthracite: TheOnion: Popcorn Johnny: So it's not legal for a 15 year old to consent to sex, but it's just fine if she buys a morning after pill without parental permission? Not really understanding the logic behind that decision.

Should we also ban the purchase of contraception?

Also, it's legal for a 15 year old to have sex with another 15 year old.  And they do it all the time without worrying much about the law (and would continue to do so even if it were illegal).  Since this is going to happen anyway, we would at least like to limit the number of children produced from the activity.

You are assuming that a 15 yr old has the brains to make that decision. I highly doubt it. There is a reason why they can't drive, vote or drink legally at that age.


No he isn't.  He's (correctly) recognizing the fact that nothing is going to stop 15 year olds from farking.  This will reduce the number of pregnancies which will result.  There is no evidence or reason to believe that it will increase underage sex.
 
2013-04-30 08:03:26 PM  

Rincewind53: Do you think condoms should require parental permission/notification? Condoms and Plan B do the same things, just at different times.


For people under the age of consent? Yes they should.
 
2013-04-30 08:03:40 PM  
This is going to save taxpayers a ton of money in the long run and I'm all for it.
 
2013-04-30 08:03:53 PM  

Red Shirt Blues: When do they start selling Viagra OTC? Seems like it would be a nice counterbalance.


I know for sure that you can order viagra or cialis like research chemicals. Price all depends on the vendor.

Anyways hurray for the FDA doing something right!
 
2013-04-30 08:04:01 PM  

fusillade762: TomD9938: FILL THE PLANET ELBOW-TO-ELBOW WITH HUMANS!


I whole-heartedly support this initiative, if only to bring back bloodsport.
 
2013-04-30 08:04:31 PM  

Anthracite: TheOnion: Popcorn Johnny: So it's not legal for a 15 year old to consent to sex, but it's just fine if she buys a morning after pill without parental permission? Not really understanding the logic behind that decision.

Should we also ban the purchase of contraception?

Also, it's legal for a 15 year old to have sex with another 15 year old.  And they do it all the time without worrying much about the law (and would continue to do so even if it were illegal).  Since this is going to happen anyway, we would at least like to limit the number of children produced from the activity.

You are assuming that a 15 yr old has the brains to make that decision. I highly doubt it. There is a reason why they can't drive, vote or drink legally at that age.


I'm not assuming anything.  15 year olds have sex.  It's a fact.  The legality of the issue sure doesn't stop them either.  The only question is do we want them to be able to legally purchase protection.  If we say yes, we accept that they'll have sex, but the availability of protection should reduce the rate of STDs and unplanned pregnancy.  If we say no, we accept that they'll have sex, but pay the price of increased STDs and unplanned pregnancy for the benefit of...something.
 
2013-04-30 08:04:39 PM  

megarian: Begoggle: I just killed some skin cells by scratching myself.

YOU MONSTER


I'm going to clip my nails now AND THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO STOP ME!
 
2013-04-30 08:04:42 PM  

TomD9938: I wonder who we will have lost.


Didn't they already discover that the main reason the crime rate has gone down in the last 40 years is poor people are having fewer kids?
 
2013-04-30 08:04:53 PM  

FriarReb98: See, while this will legitimately help some people, I know from seeing it firsthand at pharmacies in, shall we say, the less reputable neighborhoods of Providence, that there are people that will go in almost every other week to buy said drugs.  You'd think the girl would just tell the guys to use a condom or it's an extra $50.

I

don't see who is not benefiting.
 
2013-04-30 08:05:44 PM  

mr lawson: Anthracite: You are assuming that a 15 yr old has the brains to make that decision. I highly doubt it. There is a reason why they can't drive, vote or drink legally at that age.

Or not.


The ability to attend college does not magically confer the maturity to make good decisions, but you knew that.
 
2013-04-30 08:06:12 PM  
Preg-Not
Embry-No
Nary a Carry
Nay, Family Way
Mom Bomb
Junior, Miss
Inconceivable!
Mommy Not
Fetus Fail
Kiddie Kill
Poppa Stopper
Womb Broom
Humpty Dumpty
Baby-Maybe
 
2013-04-30 08:06:28 PM  

KarmicDisaster: This is going to save taxpayers a ton of money in the long run and I'm all for it.


THIS.
 
2013-04-30 08:06:42 PM  

Rincewind53: So then I go back to my other question. Do you think condoms should require parental permission/notification? Condoms and Plan B do the same things, just at different times.


...given the shiatty quality of sex education in this country I'm going to be pedantic and pull a captain obvious here. Condoms protect against STDs too, Plan B does not.

/yes, I'm sure you already no this
//not so sure about the teenage girl who thinks she can bareback because she can get Plan B without telling her folks
 
2013-04-30 08:06:50 PM  

bingethinker: Didn't they already discover that the main reason the crime rate has gone down in the last 40 years is poor people are having fewer kids?


Can you provide a citation for this?
 
2013-04-30 08:07:01 PM  

Primitive Screwhead: Preg-Not
Embry-No
Nary a Carry
Nay, Family Way
Mom Bomb
Junior, Miss
Inconceivable!
Mommy Not
Fetus Fail
Kiddie Kill
Poppa Stopper
Womb Broom
Humpty Dumpty
Baby-Maybe


Winnar!
 
2013-04-30 08:07:06 PM  

bingethinker: Didn't they already discover that the main reason the crime rate has gone down in the last 40 years is poor people are having fewer kids?


yup. freakonomics at work.
/abortions lower crime rates and tax rates.
 
2013-04-30 08:07:18 PM  
Tide detergent will lose its crown as the most shoplifted item at Walgreens.

Maybe tons of pills will be stolen by fundies to keep them out of girls' mouths.
 
2013-04-30 08:08:06 PM  

TomD9938: Right. No one great ever grew up under difficult circumstances.


Well, then, we should enact policies that keep more and more people in poverty and need so their bootstrappy greatness can more fully manifest. Plus, that means rich people can get richer! A win-win if I've ever heard of one.
 
2013-04-30 08:08:19 PM  

KarmicDisaster: This is going to save taxpayers a ton of money in the long run and I'm all for it.


How do you think this will save taxpayers money?
 
2013-04-30 08:08:39 PM  

bingethinker: TomD9938: I wonder who we will have lost.

Didn't they already discover that the main reason the crime rate has gone down in the last 40 years is poor people are having fewer kids?


"Freakonomics" made that argument pretty well. Others have cited a correlation with banning lead in paint.
 
2013-04-30 08:08:41 PM  
But how will we properly shame our sluts??

The consequences will never be the same.
 
2013-04-30 08:08:45 PM  

bugontherug: bingethinker: Didn't they already discover that the main reason the crime rate has gone down in the last 40 years is poor people are having fewer kids?

Can you provide a citation for this?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalized_abortion_and_crime_effect
 
2013-04-30 08:09:08 PM  

Primitive Screwhead: Preg-Not
Embry-No
Nary a Carry
Nay, Family Way
Mom Bomb
Junior, Miss
Inconceivable!
Mommy Not
Fetus Fail
Kiddie Kill
Poppa Stopper
Womb Broom
Humpty Dumpty
Baby-Maybe


Nice. I prefer "Try Spartans. Getting the jobs that the Trojans couldn't do."
 
2013-04-30 08:09:11 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Tide detergent will lose its crown as the most shoplifted item at Walgreens.

Maybe tons of pills will be stolen by fundies to keep them out of girls' mouths.


Or stolen by the children of fundies to keep their parents from finding out they're sexually active and too stupid to use a condom.
 
2013-04-30 08:09:27 PM  

mr lawson: /abortions lower crime rates and tax rates.


imgs.xkcd.com

Not that I have another explanation for the data.
 
2013-04-30 08:09:59 PM  
www.charlock.org
 
2013-04-30 08:09:59 PM  

ultraholland: Obama's going to turn all teenagers into promiscuous atheist whores!!


Thanks, Obama! :)
 
2013-04-30 08:10:09 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Tide detergent will lose its crown as the most shoplifted item at Walgreens.

Maybe tons of pills will be stolen by fundies to keep them out of girls' mouths.


They'll keep them in the cabinet like they do razor blade and sometimes condoms
 
2013-04-30 08:10:19 PM  

bugontherug: KarmicDisaster: This is going to save taxpayers a ton of money in the long run and I'm all for it.

How do you think this will save taxpayers money?


Because generally it's those with the least ability to take care of kids that end up having the kids.  And when they need help, they look to public assistance.
 
2013-04-30 08:10:21 PM  

TomD9938: I wonder who we will have lost.


Exactly! This is why I think women who naturally have spontaneous miscarriages should be tried on charges of manslaughter. People (well, women) should do everything they can to make the womb a scientifically perfect environment for any potentially potential fertilized egg irregardless of weather or not they know they are pregnant. Because who knows?!? That egg that naturally was rejected could have been that one in 10^23 chance that the PERSON every egg is could have saved the world.

*fistbump*
 
2013-04-30 08:10:30 PM  
Remember folks - the Government is only supposed to "mind it's own business" when it comes to weapons you can slaughter other people with. When it comes to your own body, it should be all up in your business.
 
2013-04-30 08:10:45 PM  

Infernalist: bugontherug: bingethinker: Didn't they already discover that the main reason the crime rate has gone down in the last 40 years is poor people are having fewer kids?

Can you provide a citation for this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalized_abortion_and_crime_effect


Thank you.
 
2013-04-30 08:11:19 PM  
www.maureenmcgovern.com
APPROVES!
She's been waiting for this since 1973!
 
2013-04-30 08:11:24 PM  

Dimensio: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 346x369]

I am utterly disgusted by this news. Only a monstrous sociopath could look upon the above image and not recognize the sight of a precious human life whose willful termination is premeditated murder.


It looks like burnt cheese pizza with a bubble in the dough.
 
2013-04-30 08:11:30 PM  

bingethinker: TomD9938: I wonder who we will have lost.

Didn't they already discover that the main reason the crime rate has gone down in the last 40 years is poor people are having fewer kids?


We could just profile newborns and sterilize the appropriate (poor) candidates right at birth.

They wont remember a thing and they can fark like rabbits the rest of their lives and we wont have to worry about their hell-spawn getting their hands on our stuff.
 
2013-04-30 08:11:31 PM  

bugontherug: bingethinker: Didn't they already discover that the main reason the crime rate has gone down in the last 40 years is poor people are having fewer kids?

Can you provide a citation for this?


bugontherug: KarmicDisaster: This is going to save taxpayers a ton of money in the long run and I'm all for it.

How do you think this will save taxpayers money?


bugontherug: Rincewind53: Condoms and Plan B do the same things, just at different times.

Can you explain what you mean by this?



Do you really have no understanding of the issues which surround the topic under discussion?
 
2013-04-30 08:11:38 PM  
I can now see popped collar bros trying to weasel their way into unprotected sex: "I'm like totally clean. Besides, you can pill it tomorrow morning baby."

Still, this is gonna save taxpayers a hell of a lot of money. Thank goodness.
 
2013-04-30 08:11:41 PM  

bugontherug: ontariolightning: Aboot time Americans. Plan B has no age limit in Canada and sold over the counter / on the shelves. This is the stuff that can help prevent future abortions. Great day for the

So a thirteen year old in Canada can just walk up to the pharmacy counter and buy Plan B, no questions asked?


If you really want your day ruined, there are no limits on abortion in Canada. Third trimester? Legs in the stirrups, please.

No legal restrictions. Only access and funding problems I guess. You'd have to ask someone from America's hat whether I'm correct or not.
 
2013-04-30 08:12:15 PM  

Fjornir: mr lawson: /abortions lower crime rates and tax rates.

[imgs.xkcd.com image 459x185]

Not that I have another explanation for the data.


one of my favorites by him!
Have it posted above my monitor.
/B.S. Economics
 
2013-04-30 08:12:28 PM  

DarwiOdrade: BarkingUnicorn: Tide detergent will lose its crown as the most shoplifted item at Walgreens.

Maybe tons of pills will be stolen by fundies to keep them out of girls' mouths.

Or stolen by the children of fundies to keep their parents from finding out they're sexually active and too stupid to use a condom.


Seriously, this pill will not be put out on shelves even though the FDA says it can be.  It's too valuable and there will be too much demand for it.
 
2013-04-30 08:12:54 PM  

fusillade762: megarian: Begoggle: I just killed some skin cells by scratching myself.

YOU MONSTER

I'm going to clip my nails now AND THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO STOP ME!


This is why I support de-clawing for ALL MAMALS!

/the reptiles control all. They don't shed skin until it dies in mass quantities and they have to shed it via awesome boots.
 
2013-04-30 08:13:34 PM  

TomD9938: We could just profile newborns and sterilize the appropriate (poor) candidates right at birth.


Oh, I get it. Trollin trollin trollin, keep those doggies trollin.
 
2013-04-30 08:14:09 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: DarwiOdrade: BarkingUnicorn: Tide detergent will lose its crown as the most shoplifted item at Walgreens.

Maybe tons of pills will be stolen by fundies to keep them out of girls' mouths.

Or stolen by the children of fundies to keep their parents from finding out they're sexually active and too stupid to use a condom.

Seriously, this pill will not be put out on shelves even though the FDA says it can be.  It's too valuable and there will be too much demand for it.


Is there a patent on it, or are we going to see a 'generic' effect, where a dozen companies provide the same product under different names at increasingly cheaper prices?
 
2013-04-30 08:14:16 PM  

fusillade762: Just out of curiosity: how does a 15-year-old prove their age?


I'm guessing school ID cards. A lot of school districts put the DOB on them in addition to the student's picture.
 
2013-04-30 08:14:24 PM  

theorellior: TomD9938: We could just profile newborns and sterilize the appropriate (poor) candidates right at birth.

Oh, I get it. Trollin trollin trollin, keep those doggies trollin.


you say that like it is a bad idea?
 
2013-04-30 08:14:28 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: bugontherug: ontariolightning: Aboot time Americans. Plan B has no age limit in Canada and sold over the counter / on the shelves. This is the stuff that can help prevent future abortions. Great day for the

So a thirteen year old in Canada can just walk up to the pharmacy counter and buy Plan B, no questions asked?

If you really want your day ruined, there are no limits on abortion in Canada. Third trimester? Legs in the stirrups, please.

No legal restrictions. Only access and funding problems I guess. You'd have to ask someone from America's hat whether I'm correct or not.


I'm from America's Hat, and you're correct...though I don't think many doctors are willing to perform late-term abortions for no reason. But then again, who knows.
 
2013-04-30 08:16:23 PM  

Staffist: Kimothy: Good. Can't wait to see the fundies crying in their Cheerios over this one.

Really?


Yep. Sick of their obnoxious God in Government viewpoint that prevents or delays sensible decisions, especially about sex, drugs, alcohol, or control over your own body.
 
2013-04-30 08:16:43 PM  

Fjornir: mr lawson: /abortions lower crime rates and tax rates.

[imgs.xkcd.com image 459x185]

Not that I have another explanation for the data.


Freakanomics does a good job of laying out the case for that.  That unwanted children are more likely to end up involved in crime and reducing unwanted children has a follow on effect of reducing crime a couple of decades later.
 
2013-04-30 08:17:24 PM  

fusillade762: Just out of curiosity: how does a 15-year-old prove their age?


Well, in some states one can drive at 14 (15 in others)

Though i suspect the point is requiring ID will of course prevent many/most 15-year-olds from purchasing a legal OTC product.

(At what age can folks get non-driver State ID's? varies by state, I'm sure)
 
2013-04-30 08:18:15 PM  
Hmm. What's next?
Chewables? 

...dissolvables. "Have a wild night? Making her breakfast? Drop one of these in her OJ and you're good to go!"

It's possible I'm a terrible person.
 
2013-04-30 08:18:57 PM  
I am somewhat comforted that America is one of the few countries that does not regulate the sales of melatonin. You can find it on the shelves of must drug stores and it is in fact quite cheap relative.  The only reasons I state this is that I developed a dangerous pineal cyst which was endoscopically removed including the entire gland.  So I now require exogenous melattonin to trick myself that it in fact nighttime.  Just saying that it is a godsend that melatonin is OTC unlike other countries
 
2013-04-30 08:19:03 PM  
I sincerely doubt that a single 15 year old out there will have any issues at all getting this if they truly want it.

They have little issue getting their hands on cigarettes and/or liquor, after all.  I would suspect that the same 18+ crowd that enables their bad habits will be more than happy to help them with this, as well.
 
2013-04-30 08:19:30 PM  
Now, I'm not trolling nor am I trying to add to the flamewar above, and I do not have data to prove the following statement, so please be gentle.  As someone who works in the STD "industry" and has seen the growth in antibiotic-resistant strains of Gonorrhea as well as new resurgence in Syphilis cases, my only concern with the OTC status of Plan B would be it leading to a decrease in use of other contraceptive methods that prevent the spread of STDs as well as pregnancy.  If young people decide to use Plan B as Plan A and neglect to use other forms of contraception (it feels better without latex barriers, you know what I mean), this could be a very bad thing for our country (but job security for me?).
 
2013-04-30 08:20:04 PM  

megarian: /the reptiles control all.


Paging Obama's Reptilian Master to the thread.
 
2013-04-30 08:20:25 PM  

TheOnion: Anthracite: TheOnion: Popcorn Johnny: So it's not legal for a 15 year old to consent to sex, but it's just fine if she buys a morning after pill without parental permission? Not really understanding the logic behind that decision.

Should we also ban the purchase of contraception?

Also, it's legal for a 15 year old to have sex with another 15 year old.  And they do it all the time without worrying much about the law (and would continue to do so even if it were illegal).  Since this is going to happen anyway, we would at least like to limit the number of children produced from the activity.

You are assuming that a 15 yr old has the brains to make that decision. I highly doubt it. There is a reason why they can't drive, vote or drink legally at that age.

I'm not assuming anything.  15 year olds have sex.  It's a fact.  The legality of the issue sure doesn't stop them either.  The only question is do we want them to be able to legally purchase protection.  If we say yes, we accept that they'll have sex, but the availability of protection should reduce the rate of STDs and unplanned pregnancy.  If we say no, we accept that they'll have sex, but pay the price of increased STDs and unplanned pregnancy for the benefit of...something.


The average 15 year old today is far too busy playing Yu Gi Oh or Call or Duty or whatever nonsense the kids are into now, to be bothered socializing with females. I know more people today ranging in age from 16-30 that aren't having sex, and couldn't find someone to have sex with even if they wanted to, than in any other time in history, and most of them don't even care and don't want to try, so the whole hormones, human nature, kids are going to be kids argument is a load of bunk.
 
2013-04-30 08:20:40 PM  

Rincewind53: So then I go back to my other question. Do you think condoms should require parental permission/notification? Condoms and Plan B do the same things, just at different times.


Not quite.  Condoms prevent the sperm from fertilizing the egg.  Plan B prevents the already fertilized egg from implanting in the uterus. For those who believe that life begins at fertilization Plan B is tantamount to infanticide.

/does not believe life begins at fertilization.
 
2013-04-30 08:21:29 PM  
It'll be fun to watch conservatives whine and moan about how there needs to be more government oversight and regulation here, completely incapable of processing that cognitive dissonance.
 
2013-04-30 08:21:34 PM  

PistolGripPump: Now, I'm not trolling nor am I trying to add to the flamewar above, and I do not have data to prove the following statement, so please be gentle.  As someone who works in the STD "industry" and has seen the growth in antibiotic-resistant strains of Gonorrhea as well as new resurgence in Syphilis cases, my only concern with the OTC status of Plan B would be it leading to a decrease in use of other contraceptive methods that prevent the spread of STDs as well as pregnancy.  If young people decide to use Plan B as Plan A and neglect to use other forms of contraception (it feels better without latex barriers, you know what I mean), this could be a very bad thing for our country (but job security for me?).


This is a solid point.  It bears repeating that this Plan B thing is only 'part' of a responsible approach to your sex life and shouldn't be seen as a silver bullet approach to safe sex.

In short, people still need to wear condoms and be careful who they bump uglies with.
 
2013-04-30 08:22:23 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: Freakanomics does a good job of laying out the case for that.  That unwanted children are more likely to end up involved in crime and reducing unwanted children has a follow on effect of reducing crime a couple of decades later.


I've read the book, got a copy of it on my shelf in front of me in fact. The statistics indicate that there is a correlation based on the data and that correlation remains when you isolate for the factors the authors were able to do regression analysis for.
 
2013-04-30 08:22:41 PM  

spman: TheOnion: Anthracite: TheOnion: Popcorn Johnny: So it's not legal for a 15 year old to consent to sex, but it's just fine if she buys a morning after pill without parental permission? Not really understanding the logic behind that decision.

Should we also ban the purchase of contraception?

Also, it's legal for a 15 year old to have sex with another 15 year old.  And they do it all the time without worrying much about the law (and would continue to do so even if it were illegal).  Since this is going to happen anyway, we would at least like to limit the number of children produced from the activity.

You are assuming that a 15 yr old has the brains to make that decision. I highly doubt it. There is a reason why they can't drive, vote or drink legally at that age.

I'm not assuming anything.  15 year olds have sex.  It's a fact.  The legality of the issue sure doesn't stop them either.  The only question is do we want them to be able to legally purchase protection.  If we say yes, we accept that they'll have sex, but the availability of protection should reduce the rate of STDs and unplanned pregnancy.  If we say no, we accept that they'll have sex, but pay the price of increased STDs and unplanned pregnancy for the benefit of...something.

The average 15 year old today is far too busy playing Yu Gi Oh or Call or Duty or whatever nonsense the kids are into now, to be bothered socializing with females. I know more people today ranging in age from 16-30 that aren't having sex, and couldn't find someone to have sex with even if they wanted to, than in any other time in history, and most of them don't even care and don't want to try, so the whole hormones, human nature, kids are going to be kids argument is a load of bunk.


Well, your anecdotal personal experience certainly trumps decades of scientific study and research, doesn't it?
 
2013-04-30 08:23:14 PM  
spman:

The average 15 year old today is far too busy playing Yu Gi Oh or Call or Duty or whatever nonsense the kids are into now, to be bothered socializing with females. I know more people today ranging in age from 16-30 that aren't having sex, and couldn't find someone to have sex with even if they wanted to, than in any other time in history, and most of them don't even care and don't want to try, so the whole hormones, human nature, kids are going to be kids argument is a load of bunk.

Are you serious?
 
2013-04-30 08:23:32 PM  

spman: and most of them don't even care and don't want to try, so the whole hormones, human nature, kids are going to be kids argument is a load of bunk.

 
2013-04-30 08:23:37 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: So it's not legal for a 15 year old to consent to sex, but it's just fine if she buys a morning after pill without parental permission? Not really understanding the logic behind that decision.


Some 15 year olds are impregnated by their parents.
 
2013-04-30 08:23:44 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.


Except that they don't, by federal law.

I cannot tell a parent anything related to their child's sexual activity - including medical information, without that child's permission if they are over 14 years of age.
 
2013-04-30 08:23:47 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Aarontology: Because they're two entirely different issues.

How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.


So you want them to watch?
 
2013-04-30 08:23:54 PM  

fusillade762: Just out of curiosity: how does a 15-year-old prove their age?


show their tits?
 
2013-04-30 08:24:09 PM  

PistolGripPump:  someone who works in the STD "industry"


Better not put that on your business card.
 
2013-04-30 08:24:35 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: Not quite.  Condoms prevent the sperm from fertilizing the egg.  Plan B prevents the already fertilized egg from implanting in the uterus.


Not quite. Plan B can also prevent ovulation. And fertilization.
 
2013-04-30 08:25:23 PM  
A victory for vaginas everywere.
 
2013-04-30 08:25:34 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Rincewind53: Do you think condoms should require parental permission/notification? Condoms and Plan B do the same things, just at different times.

For people under the age of consent? Yes they should.


If you don't want your kids having sex, using condoms, or buying Plan B, teach them not to do those things.  Why do we have to make up for your shiatty parenting?
 
2013-04-30 08:26:08 PM  

TomD9938: I wonder who we will have lost.


Exactly no one.
 
2013-04-30 08:26:16 PM  

Infernalist: Is there a patent on it, or are we going to see a 'generic' effect, where a dozen companies provide the same product under different names at increasingly cheaper prices?


If we see such price competition, it won't benefit consumers.  Walgreens will buy the cheapest product and sell it for as much as possible.  There won't be a dozen brands on the shelf any more than there are dozen brands of nicotine patches.
 
2013-04-30 08:26:49 PM  

Infernalist: Winnar!


Can't take credit that's all George Carlin. He had a bit about OTC birth control pills way back in '72
 
2013-04-30 08:26:57 PM  
Brought to you by the woman who was recently the well-respected governor of Kansas. Can you believe it?
 
2013-04-30 08:27:03 PM  
You people do realize that Plan B works by inhibiting ovulation, right?
 
2013-04-30 08:27:07 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: So it's not legal for a 15 year old to consent to sex, but it's just fine if she buys a morning after pill without parental permission? Not really understanding the logic behind that decision.


It's perfectly logical in GOP land where a GOPer's daughter is pregnant and he sneaks her over to an abortion state while covering it up.
 
2013-04-30 08:27:15 PM  

Kimothy: Staffist: Kimothy: Good. Can't wait to see the fundies crying in their Cheerios over this one.


Why would they cry?  Poor women are three times more likely to seek abortions than rich women and poor women are far more likely to vote Democrat. This will keep more potential Democrats from being born. The fundies are probably secretly overjoyed that the people most likely to seek abortions are those most likely to oppose them politically,  regardless of what they say.
 
2013-04-30 08:27:15 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Infernalist: Is there a patent on it, or are we going to see a 'generic' effect, where a dozen companies provide the same product under different names at increasingly cheaper prices?

If we see such price competition, it won't benefit consumers.  Walgreens will buy the cheapest product and sell it for as much as possible.  There won't be a dozen brands on the shelf any more than there are dozen brands of nicotine patches.


Well, I don't see why not.  I see a dozen different kinds of aspirin whenever I head to the store, why not this?
 
2013-04-30 08:27:19 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: Dr. Goldshnoz: You just watch, this is going to cause crime, destroy the innocence of our children, bring the wraith of god upon us, destroy american society, and cause the further advance the women's war on men.

You just watch.

I don't think so. According to Pat Robertson and the late (yay!) Jerry Falwell, homos are to blame for all those things. Homos and lezzies. Homos, lesbians, and pagans. Homos, lesbians, pagans, and...oh forget it.  Let's just call it "everyone who doesn't watch Pat Robertson".


Homos, lesbians and pagans! Oh my!
 
2013-04-30 08:27:48 PM  
Let's all go out tonight and create some unwanted pregnancies!
 
2013-04-30 08:27:53 PM  

kronicfeld: Tumunga: Nope, the guvment is taking care of your kids now. Didn't you get the memo?

The government not overly regulating people's medical decisions and consumer transactions, nor conducting surveillance over children, is "taking care of your kids now"?


The government overly regulating my kid's snatch.
 
2013-04-30 08:27:54 PM  

ManateeGag: cant wait to see the first commercial for it.


I wonder if it will look anything like this commercial for birth control.
 
2013-04-30 08:28:21 PM  

perigee: [www.maureenmcgovern.com image 437x600]
APPROVES!
She's been waiting for this since 1973!


Funnied and smarted.
/Hat's off.
 
2013-04-30 08:28:22 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: There won't be a dozen brands on the shelf any more than there are dozen brands of nicotine patches.


Nicoderm, Equate, Habitrol, Rugby, ...were you saying something?
 
2013-04-30 08:28:23 PM  

Rincewind53: Popcorn Johnny: So it's not legal for a 15 year old to consent to sex, but it's just fine if she buys a morning after pill without parental permission? Not really understanding the logic behind that decision.

First, in most states, it's legal under many circumstances.
Second, your analogy is flawed. It's like saying "It's illegal for felons to own guns, therefore felons should be unable to receive medical treatment if they accidentally shoot themselves with a gun."


In that circumstance the gunshot wound should be treated, obviously, but it should also be reported to the police, which is what happens. ...or parents, by analogy.
 
2013-04-30 08:28:27 PM  

MeanJean: You people do realize that Plan B works by inhibiting ovulation, right?


gasp  you're right.

Quick, tell me more.
 
2013-04-30 08:28:40 PM  
Good.

In the interests of both disclosure and giving someone something to be butthurt about, I will say that I am morally opposed to abortion, but there are a few reasons why I say that I think this is a good thing:

1) It's none of my business.
2) There are two things that I am sure of-there is a God, and I'm not him. I have no right to judge.
3) Since this prevents implantation, it's not strictly speaking abortion.
 
2013-04-30 08:28:58 PM  

bugontherug: ontariolightning: Aboot time Americans. Plan B has no age limit in Canada and sold over the counter / on the shelves. This is the stuff that can help prevent future abortions. Great day for the

So a thirteen year old in Canada can just walk up to the pharmacy counter and buy Plan B, no questions asked?


yes
 
2013-04-30 08:29:22 PM  

VaportrailFilms: Hmm. What's next?
Chewables? 

...dissolvables. "Have a wild night? Making her breakfast? Drop one of these in her OJ and you're good to go!"

It's possible I'm a terrible person.


No, you're not.  It's about damned time men were liberated from latex and surgery.

/window seat, please
 
2013-04-30 08:30:09 PM  
So know every time a prepare breakfast for ladyfriends who stay the night, there will be a secret ingredient.
 
2013-04-30 08:30:37 PM  
Void where prohibited.*


*and probably punishable by death in Texas.
 
2013-04-30 08:31:07 PM  

Qellaqan: TomD9938: I wonder who we will have lost.

You know it isn't a zero-sum game.... right?

Girls and women who use this and who get abortions can go onto have children. Kids they maybe wouldn't have had if they were forced to have this one. Kids they in all likelihood will be better equipped to raise, since studies show women tend to make good judgements as to whether or not they can afford a child when they have an abortion. But no, lost kids.

\fed the troll =(


Very nutritious feed though.
 
2013-04-30 08:31:32 PM  
i38.tinypic.com
 
2013-04-30 08:31:48 PM  

PistolGripPump: Now, I'm not trolling nor am I trying to add to the flamewar above, and I do not have data to prove the following statement, so please be gentle.  As someone who works in the STD "industry" and has seen the growth in antibiotic-resistant strains of Gonorrhea as well as new resurgence in Syphilis cases, my only concern with the OTC status of Plan B would be it leading to a decrease in use of other contraceptive methods that prevent the spread of STDs as well as pregnancy.  If young people decide to use Plan B as Plan A and neglect to use other forms of contraception (it feels better without latex barriers, you know what I mean), this could be a very bad thing for our country (but job security for me?).


It's certainly possible, but this is still a step in the right direction, IMO.
 
2013-04-30 08:31:58 PM  
My issue is that a 15 year old could buy plan b but not certain types of cold medicines or decongestants.
 
2013-04-30 08:32:56 PM  

Tumunga: kronicfeld: Tumunga: Nope, the guvment is taking care of your kids now. Didn't you get the memo?

The government not overly regulating people's medical decisions and consumer transactions, nor conducting surveillance over children, is "taking care of your kids now"?

The government overly regulating my kid's snatch.


Your kid's snatch is YOUR territory, right?

Why don't you have a seat, right over there.
 
2013-04-30 08:32:58 PM  

make me some tea: Popcorn Johnny: Aarontology: Because they're two entirely different issues.

How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.

Minors still have a right to have control over their own body and their own future.

What about the parents who force the girl to have the kid against her will?

Sex is gonna happen. It's nature.


Murder and Rape is gonna happen.  it's nature.  See how that doesn't work?
 
2013-04-30 08:33:03 PM  

aevorea: My issue is that a 15 year old could buy plan b but not certain types of cold medicines or decongestants.


that 15 year old can't get high on Plan B.

Blame it on our collective freak-out over drugs.
 
2013-04-30 08:33:55 PM  
Old The Onion article:

"Taco Bell Introduces New 'Morning After' Burrito."

THE CONTRACEPTIMELT

/classic
 
2013-04-30 08:34:23 PM  

rustypouch: So know every time a prepare breakfast for ladyfriends who stay the night, there will be a secret ingredient.


"These eggs taste great. What's your secret?"

"They've been fertilized, but only for one night..."

*wink*
 
2013-04-30 08:34:27 PM  

Infernalist: In short, people still need to wear condoms and be careful who they bump uglies with.


Yes, which is why schools need comprehensive sex ed, not just abstinence-only sex ed.
 
2013-04-30 08:34:30 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.


See, that's just one of those things that parents today have to warm up to.  Your kids have the right to hide anything they're up to from you, including medical conditions and medications they're taking, but you are still on the hook if they get themselves in legal trouble.
 
2013-04-30 08:35:54 PM  

jshine: Rincewind53: Popcorn Johnny: So it's not legal for a 15 year old to consent to sex, but it's just fine if she buys a morning after pill without parental permission? Not really understanding the logic behind that decision.

First, in most states, it's legal under many circumstances.
Second, your analogy is flawed. It's like saying "It's illegal for felons to own guns, therefore felons should be unable to receive medical treatment if they accidentally shoot themselves with a gun."

In that circumstance the gunshot wound should be treated, obviously, but it should also be reported to the police, which is what happens. ...or parents, by analogy.


And in the real world, consensual sexual acts between same-aged teenagers are treated completely different. Different federal and state laws regulate the disclosure of such information, one of which is the dreaded HIPAA. You're talking about a legally mandated reporting event, where a crime against someone has been committed.

Outside of small good old boy towns, prosecutions of like-aged teenagers for statutory rape are rare, and state laws have been changed to reflect the fact that the justice system should not be used to punish people by proxy for their bad parenting and parental revenge. Prosecutors have better things to do with their time.
 
2013-04-30 08:36:25 PM  

Dr. Goldshnoz: You just watch, this is going to cause crime, destroy the innocence of our children, bring the wraith of god upon us, destroy american society, and cause the further advance the women's war on men.

You just watch.


Im not looking forward to the wraith of God.  Hopefully my cleric has enough undead turning skills.
 
2013-04-30 08:36:36 PM  

spman: The average 15 year old today is far too busy playing Yu Gi Oh or Call or Duty or whatever nonsense the kids are into now, to be bothered socializing with females. I know more people today ranging in age from 16-30 that aren't having sex, and couldn't find someone to have sex with even if they wanted to, than in any other time in history, and most of them don't even care and don't want to try, so the whole hormones, human nature, kids are going to be kids argument is a load of bunk.


There are some 15 year olds who are not like the average 15 year old or 16-30 that you know. The fact that you ignore the problem does not make it go away.
 
2013-04-30 08:37:37 PM  
My favorite part about this is that it will probably do more to reduce abortion rates than any "pro-life" activism ever has. And just like that, an entire political movement is gone

[kaisersose.jpg]
 
2013-04-30 08:37:39 PM  

Infernalist: PistolGripPump: Now, I'm not trolling nor am I trying to add to the flamewar above, and I do not have data to prove the following statement, so please be gentle.  As someone who works in the STD "industry" and has seen the growth in antibiotic-resistant strains of Gonorrhea as well as new resurgence in Syphilis cases, my only concern with the OTC status of Plan B would be it leading to a decrease in use of other contraceptive methods that prevent the spread of STDs as well as pregnancy.  If young people decide to use Plan B as Plan A and neglect to use other forms of contraception (it feels better without latex barriers, you know what I mean), this could be a very bad thing for our country (but job security for me?).

This is a solid point.  It bears repeating that this Plan B thing is only 'part' of a responsible approach to your sex life and shouldn't be seen as a silver bullet approach to safe sex.

In short, people still need to wear condoms and be careful who they bump uglies with.


Just to drive the point home, let's include a condom in every Plan B package.  It won't prevent what you're trying to stop, of course, but it would associate prophylaxis with contraception.
 
2013-04-30 08:37:49 PM  

GoldSpider: Popcorn Johnny: How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.

See, that's just one of those things that parents today have to warm up to.  Your kids have the right to hide anything they're up to from you, including medical conditions and medications they're taking, but you are still on the hook if they get themselves in legal trouble.


You sound a lil whiny about the fact that you might have to help your kids when they make stupid mistakes.
 
2013-04-30 08:37:52 PM  
Like most of you, I predict much butthurt from rightwing whackjobs that spout right to life but have no problems with sending the military everywhere to kill folks they don't like.
 
2013-04-30 08:37:53 PM  

Dimensio: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 346x369]

I am utterly disgusted by this news. Only a monstrous sociopath could look upon the above image and not recognize the sight of a precious human life whose willful termination is premeditated murder.


I'm pro-choice. So depending on who that is exactly, I would terminate it post-haste. Well, that's a bit harsh... I would at least be indifferent to its feasibility. If it was me on the other hand, I would just ask if everyone would chill out and allow the precious zygote (that will become me) turn into the mediocre human that I am now.
 
2013-04-30 08:38:06 PM  
i64.photobucket.com


We're all gonna get laid!
 
2013-04-30 08:38:15 PM  

aevorea: My issue is that a 15 year old could buy plan b but not certain types of cold medicines or decongestants.


Or that a school nurse can give your kid Plan B, but not Tylenol.
 
2013-04-30 08:38:31 PM  
Contraceptives are one of the greatest boons humanity ever invented.

Making them available, allows for family planing without abortions.

People can have kids when they are ready, or never. Its up to them.
 
2013-04-30 08:38:45 PM  

aevorea: My issue is that a 15 year old could buy plan b but not certain types of cold medicines or decongestants.


Welp, I guess we can cross that bridge when 15 year olds are buying this in quantity and suddenly trailer parks are blowing up from fires in ghetto teen poontang labs...
 
2013-04-30 08:38:49 PM  

PistolGripPump: Now, I'm not trolling nor am I trying to add to the flamewar above, and I do not have data to prove the following statement, so please be gentle.  As someone who works in the STD "industry" and has seen the growth in antibiotic-resistant strains of Gonorrhea as well as new resurgence in Syphilis cases, my only concern with the OTC status of Plan B would be it leading to a decrease in use of other contraceptive methods that prevent the spread of STDs as well as pregnancy.  If young people decide to use Plan B as Plan A and neglect to use other forms of contraception (it feels better without latex barriers, you know what I mean), this could be a very bad thing for our country (but job security for me?).


That's...that's an extremely good point.
 
2013-04-30 08:38:50 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Infernalist: PistolGripPump: Now, I'm not trolling nor am I trying to add to the flamewar above, and I do not have data to prove the following statement, so please be gentle.  As someone who works in the STD "industry" and has seen the growth in antibiotic-resistant strains of Gonorrhea as well as new resurgence in Syphilis cases, my only concern with the OTC status of Plan B would be it leading to a decrease in use of other contraceptive methods that prevent the spread of STDs as well as pregnancy.  If young people decide to use Plan B as Plan A and neglect to use other forms of contraception (it feels better without latex barriers, you know what I mean), this could be a very bad thing for our country (but job security for me?).

This is a solid point.  It bears repeating that this Plan B thing is only 'part' of a responsible approach to your sex life and shouldn't be seen as a silver bullet approach to safe sex.

In short, people still need to wear condoms and be careful who they bump uglies with.

Just to drive the point home, let's include a condom in every Plan B package.  It won't prevent what you're trying to stop, of course, but it would associate prophylaxis with contraception.


This actually makes sense.  you should be on the phone right now to Trojan headquarters.
 
2013-04-30 08:38:51 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Just to drive the point home, let's include a condom in every Plan B package.  It won't prevent what you're trying to stop, of course, but it would associate prophylaxis with contraception.


That's a great idea.
 
2013-04-30 08:38:58 PM  

jso2897: Tumunga: kronicfeld: Tumunga: Nope, the guvment is taking care of your kids now. Didn't you get the memo?

The government not overly regulating people's medical decisions and consumer transactions, nor conducting surveillance over children, is "taking care of your kids now"?

The government overly regulating my kid's snatch.

Your kid's snatch is YOUR territory, right?

Why don't you have a seat, right over there.


Not entirely mine, but I do have approval to sublet it to you.
 
2013-04-30 08:39:58 PM  
From the product insert:

4 CONTRAINDICATIONS 
Plan B One-Step is contraindicated for use in the case of known or suspected pregnancy.


Yeah, giving that to scared adolescent girls without any oversight sounds like some good science.
 
2013-04-30 08:40:04 PM  

rustypouch: So know every time a prepare breakfast for ladyfriends who stay the night, there will be a secret ingredient.


--Posted from my iPhone
 
2013-04-30 08:40:18 PM  

GoldSpider: aevorea: My issue is that a 15 year old could buy plan b but not certain types of cold medicines or decongestants.

Or that a school nurse can give your kid Plan B, but not Tylenol.


[Citation Needed]

And you know what... Its no worse then making sure kids have access to condoms...

You trolling tit.
 
2013-04-30 08:40:49 PM  

Tumunga: jso2897: Tumunga: kronicfeld: Tumunga: Nope, the guvment is taking care of your kids now. Didn't you get the memo?

The government not overly regulating people's medical decisions and consumer transactions, nor conducting surveillance over children, is "taking care of your kids now"?

The government overly regulating my kid's snatch.

Your kid's snatch is YOUR territory, right?

Why don't you have a seat, right over there.

Not entirely mine, but I do have approval to sublet it to you.


LOL no, I'm sorry, this isn't 1659 and you don't own that preteen flesh.

You don't get to decide who gets in there.
 
2013-04-30 08:40:56 PM  
15 years old?  Damn, and I just bought the domain name for Flintstones' Chewable Plan B.  I was hoping to get the younger demographic.
 
2013-04-30 08:41:02 PM  
OK, libtards, but the next time there's a natural disaster, here's another thing to blame it on.

/besides weather patterns
//or plate tectonics
 
2013-04-30 08:41:05 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: So it's not legal for a 15 year old to consent to sex, but it's just fine if she buys a morning after pill without parental permission? Not really understanding the logic behind that decision.


I'd say it works the same way as a 15-year-old is able to buy condoms.
 
2013-04-30 08:41:07 PM  

aevorea: My issue is that a 15 year old could buy plan b but not certain types of cold medicines or decongestants.


My issue is that I can't buy the good Sudafed without showing 5 forms of ID and submitting a blood and urine sample.
 
2013-04-30 08:41:10 PM  
Now that the FDA has decided, what do opponents call their fallback option?
 
2013-04-30 08:41:25 PM  

Infernalist: I sincerely doubt that a single 15 year old out there will have any issues at all getting this if they truly want it.

They have little issue getting their hands on cigarettes and/or liquor, after all.  I would suspect that the same 18+ crowd that enables their bad habits will be more than happy to help them with this, as well.


i.imgur.com


And now, a CSB from me...

A friend of mine is a pharmacy tech. He told me one day a wild eyed man ran up to the window and breathlessly shouted "I need the plan B! I need the plan B!"

/D.C. v. Heller will be overturned right after Roe v. Wade
//It's over. Get over it.
 
2013-04-30 08:41:38 PM  

Infernalist: You sound a lil whiny about the fact that you might have to help your kids when they make stupid mistakes.


Thanks to the law, I won't even know when they make stupid mistakes until I'm on the hook for a fine or something.

/Glad I don't have kids.
 
2013-04-30 08:42:02 PM  

cchris_39: From the product insert:

4 CONTRAINDICATIONS 
Plan B One-Step is contraindicated for use in the case of known or suspected pregnancy.

Yeah, giving that to scared adolescent girls without any oversight sounds like some good science.


And giving scared white people AR-15's is?
 
2013-04-30 08:42:59 PM  

GoldSpider: Infernalist: You sound a lil whiny about the fact that you might have to help your kids when they make stupid mistakes.

Thanks to the law, I won't even know when they make stupid mistakes until I'm on the hook for a fine or something.

/Glad I don't have kids.


Trust me, we all are too.

/very glad.
 
2013-04-30 08:43:19 PM  

GoldSpider: Infernalist: You sound a lil whiny about the fact that you might have to help your kids when they make stupid mistakes.

Thanks to the law, I won't even know when they make stupid mistakes until I'm on the hook for a fine or something.

/Glad I don't have kids.


lol somehow I don't think you're ever going to have to worry about that lil problem, boyo.
 
2013-04-30 08:43:28 PM  

Raharu: And you know what... Its no worse then making sure kids have access to condoms...


Except a condom isn't a drug.
 
2013-04-30 08:43:54 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Good.

In the interests of both disclosure and giving someone something to be butthurt about, I will say that I am morally opposed to abortion, but there are a few reasons why I say that I think this is a good thing:

1) It's none of my business.
2) There are two things that I am sure of-there is a God, and I'm not him. I have no right to judge.
3) Since this prevents implantation, it's not strictly speaking abortion.


3 out of 4 ain't bad
 
2013-04-30 08:43:55 PM  
Neat
 
2013-04-30 08:44:12 PM  
And yet Sudafed is kept behind the counter and I need an ID to buy it.
 
2013-04-30 08:44:29 PM  

basemetal: Hell yeah, now you can roofie them at night and Plan B them in the morning.


images.crystalscomments.com
 
2013-04-30 08:44:30 PM  

GoldSpider: Popcorn Johnny: How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.

See, that's just one of those things that parents today have to warm up to.  Your kids have the right to hide anything they're up to from you, including medical conditions and medications they're taking, but you are still on the hook if they get themselves in legal trouble.


Well, no.  Tattoos and piercings generally require parental consent, for instance.  Driver's learning permit too, in many States.

It's no skin off my ass if your kid gets a tat or a DL. But society has a strong interest in minimizing teen pregnancies.  Parental consent does not stand in its way, but refusal does.  So refusal has to go.
 
2013-04-30 08:44:33 PM  

bugontherug: ontariolightning: Aboot time Americans. Plan B has no age limit in Canada and sold over the counter / on the shelves. This is the stuff that can help prevent future abortions. Great day for the

So a thirteen year old in Canada can just walk up to the pharmacy counter and buy Plan B, no questions asked?


You are seriously over thinking this, so I am going to ask you a simple question:  Why would a thirteen year old girl (I assume you mean girl) buy plan B?

The answer is very simple. She buys plan B because she is sexually a active. If a thirteen year old is sexually active, buying plan B is the very least of her problems. And if your daughter is having sex at thirteen years old, you have either monumentally failed as a parent or you are a child molester. Either way, plan B is the very least of that girl's
 
2013-04-30 08:44:36 PM  
There was a story on this a couple weeks ago that had some anecdotal reports from a pharmacy in Seattle and random women. The pharmacist said they'd order the thing and it'd just expire before anyone bought it. Women recoiled at the $40-50 price.
 
2013-04-30 08:44:38 PM  

aevorea: My issue is that a 15 year old could buy plan b but not certain types of cold medicines or decongestants.


Yeah, try buying more than one box of sudafed at a time. Farking meth cookers.
 
2013-04-30 08:44:52 PM  
Nice overpopulation will be a thing of the past in the next couple of decades
 
2013-04-30 08:45:17 PM  
What is the farking deal with people and sudafed?  Seriously?  Is it like liquid gold or something?  Whine whine whine.


Blame the white trash meth-heads for your having to sign a legal document in order to get Sudafed.  for fark's sake.
 
2013-04-30 08:45:22 PM  

douchebag/hater: And yet Sudafed is kept behind the counter and I need an ID to buy it.


Well you're welcome to freebase the plan B estrogen compounds, I guess.
 
2013-04-30 08:45:51 PM  

Raharu: Contraceptives are one of the greatest boons humanity ever invented.

Making them available, allows for family planing without abortions.

People can have kids when they are ready, or never. Its up to them.


Yes, and oppressing their use is a brand of evil.
 
2013-04-30 08:46:11 PM  

GoldSpider: Raharu: And you know what... Its no worse then making sure kids have access to condoms...

Except a condom isn't a drug.


Except most have spermicide. And there are Latex allergies. Which means they are MORE unsafe than Plan B, which is essentially hormones.

So am I right in saying your argument kinda disappeared?
 
2013-04-30 08:46:41 PM  

louiedog: Now that the FDA has decided, what do opponents call their fallback option?


Plan DOA?
 
2013-04-30 08:46:48 PM  

Thisbymaster: make me some tea: Popcorn Johnny: Aarontology: Because they're two entirely different issues.

How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.

Minors still have a right to have control over their own body and their own future.

What about the parents who force the girl to have the kid against her will?

Sex is gonna happen. It's nature.

Murder and Rape is gonna happen.  it's nature.  See how that doesn't work?


How is it people do not understand the concept of consent?
 
2013-04-30 08:46:53 PM  

Wessoman: cchris_39: From the product insert:

4 CONTRAINDICATIONS 
Plan B One-Step is contraindicated for use in the case of known or suspected pregnancy.

Yeah, giving that to scared adolescent girls without any oversight sounds like some good science.

And giving scared white people AR-15's is?


Do you know what a 'red herring' is?
 
2013-04-30 08:47:02 PM  

GoldSpider: Popcorn Johnny: How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.

See, that's just one of those things that parents today have to warm up to.  Your kids have the right to hide anything they're up to from you, including medical conditions and medications they're taking, but you are still on the hook if they get themselves in legal trouble.


If my now 19 year old daughter had gotten pregnant at 15,  could I have insisted (since it would have been me paying the freight for a new baby) on an abortion or adoption?

I never looked into it... I just told her she'd be moving to her mothers if she got pregnant.
 
2013-04-30 08:47:11 PM  

GoldSpider: Raharu: And you know what... Its no worse then making sure kids have access to condoms...

Except a condom isn't a drug.


That's what your going with?
 
2013-04-30 08:47:13 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: aevorea: My issue is that a 15 year old could buy plan b but not certain types of cold medicines or decongestants.

My issue is that I can't buy the good Sudafed without showing 5 forms of ID and submitting a blood and urine sample.


douchebag/hater: And yet Sudafed is kept behind the counter and I need an ID to buy it.


Hey Fjornir, are you a wizard? :-)
 
2013-04-30 08:47:34 PM  

GoldSpider: Or that a school nurse can give your kid Plan B, but not Tylenol.


i.imgur.com

Do you know I know you have no idea what a school nurse can do?

School Nurses can't even give your kid neosporin without two things: A Doctor's standing order on file, and a parental permission slip either signed or obtained over the phone.

So no. They won't be handing out Plan B in bulk.
 
2013-04-30 08:47:46 PM  

GoldSpider: aevorea: My issue is that a 15 year old could buy plan b but not certain types of cold medicines or decongestants.

Or that a school nurse can give your kid Plan B, but not Tylenol.


School nurses are not permitted to dispense any medication at all without parental consent.
 
2013-04-30 08:48:18 PM  

cchris_39: From the product insert:

4 CONTRAINDICATIONS 
Plan B One-Step is contraindicated for use in the case of known or suspected pregnancy.

Yeah, giving that to scared adolescent girls without any oversight sounds like some good science.


"Contraindicated" does not mean "dangerous."  It means, "Do not waste your money on Plan B if you're already pregnant, dumbass!"
 
2013-04-30 08:48:39 PM  

TheOnion: Would you rather see a theoretical and fantasy gain of the parental knowledge


no, he would rather see those sluts get their comeuppance
 
2013-04-30 08:48:46 PM  

Mistymtnhop: GoldSpider: aevorea: My issue is that a 15 year old could buy plan b but not certain types of cold medicines or decongestants.

Or that a school nurse can give your kid Plan B, but not Tylenol.

School nurses are not permitted to dispense any medication at all without parental consent.


And students caught with a cough drop are in trouble.

as they should be.
 
2013-04-30 08:48:56 PM  
Obligatory Patton Oswalt story. (NSFW, skip to 1:40ish)
 
2013-04-30 08:49:26 PM  

make me some tea: Thisbymaster: make me some tea: Popcorn Johnny: Aarontology: Because they're two entirely different issues.

How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.

Minors still have a right to have control over their own body and their own future.

What about the parents who force the girl to have the kid against her will?

Sex is gonna happen. It's nature.

Murder and Rape is gonna happen.  it's nature.  See how that doesn't work?

How is it people do not understand the concept of consent?


It's got nothing to do with 'consent' and everything to do with the concept of 'sin'.  Sex is bad and people should only have it in the dark, quietly and neither party should enjoy it.

anything that enables people(ESPECIALLY WOMEN) to have sex safely is an evil tool of Satan and liberals.

You see, to them, a baby isn't a miracle of life and something to celebrate and carefully plan.  A baby is a PUNISHMENT for having sex outside of marriage.  "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time!"

That's what has them so riled up.  Nothing more or less than that.
 
2013-04-30 08:49:36 PM  

Infernalist: Tumunga: jso2897: Tumunga: kronicfeld: Tumunga: Nope, the guvment is taking care of your kids now. Didn't you get the memo?

The government not overly regulating people's medical decisions and consumer transactions, nor conducting surveillance over children, is "taking care of your kids now"?

The government overly regulating my kid's snatch.

Your kid's snatch is YOUR territory, right?

Why don't you have a seat, right over there.

Not entirely mine, but I do have approval to sublet it to you.

LOL no, I'm sorry, this isn't 1659 and you don't own that preteen flesh.

You don't get to decide who gets in there.


But, if I keep it plugged it up with one of them there toys from the Walmart health section, ain't nobody gonna get in there.
 
2013-04-30 08:50:06 PM  

jshine: Wessoman: cchris_39: From the product insert:

4 CONTRAINDICATIONS 
Plan B One-Step is contraindicated for use in the case of known or suspected pregnancy.

Yeah, giving that to scared adolescent girls without any oversight sounds like some good science.

And giving scared white people AR-15's is?

Do you know what a 'red herring' is?


Do you know what "Contraindicated" means? Besides, I was trying to troll.

SHEESH. Tough crowd.
 
2013-04-30 08:51:01 PM  

jcooli09: Raharu: Contraceptives are one of the greatest boons humanity ever invented.

Making them available, allows for family planing without abortions.

People can have kids when they are ready, or never. Its up to them.

Yes, and oppressing their use is a  brand of evil.

SO MUCH ------------------------------>^^THIS^^

 
2013-04-30 08:51:06 PM  

Tumunga: But, if I keep it plugged it up with one of them there toys from the Walmart health section, ain't nobody gonna get in there.


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Is this why you're not allowed to be in 100 feet of a school anymore?
 
2013-04-30 08:51:15 PM  

Tumunga: Infernalist: Tumunga: jso2897: Tumunga: kronicfeld: Tumunga: Nope, the guvment is taking care of your kids now. Didn't you get the memo?

The government not overly regulating people's medical decisions and consumer transactions, nor conducting surveillance over children, is "taking care of your kids now"?

The government overly regulating my kid's snatch.

Your kid's snatch is YOUR territory, right?

Why don't you have a seat, right over there.

Not entirely mine, but I do have approval to sublet it to you.

LOL no, I'm sorry, this isn't 1659 and you don't own that preteen flesh.

You don't get to decide who gets in there.

But, if I keep it plugged it up with one of them there toys from the Walmart health section, ain't nobody gonna get in there.


lol yeah, shoulda guessed you weren't serious.
 
2013-04-30 08:51:34 PM  
So, if a chick pulls a gang-bang-train, how many pills should she take?
 
2013-04-30 08:52:04 PM  

Amos Quito: So, if a chick pulls a gang-bang-train, how many pills should she take?


Planning Friday's entertainment?
 
2013-04-30 08:52:19 PM  
Or that a school nurse can give your kid Plan B, but not Tylenol.

Just once, I wish I could actually say what I actually think about "people" like you without getting banned from Fark.
 
2013-04-30 08:52:39 PM  
I can already see the arguments of how girls are now whores with this pill.

I use condoms. With their logic, I'm a big whore as well.
 
2013-04-30 08:53:46 PM  

Jackson Herring: Or that a school nurse can give your kid Plan B, but not Tylenol.

Just once, I wish I could actually say what I actually think about "people" like you without getting banned from Fark.


It's only 24 hours. LET THE HATE FLOW THROUGH YOU!
 
2013-04-30 08:53:49 PM  

WizardofToast: I can already see the arguments of how girls are now whores with this pill.

I use condoms. With their logic, I'm a big whore as well.


Hell, I'm a big ol' man-whore.  Of course, guys who screw around a lot are idolized and held up as 'manly' and 'virile'.  Girls who do it are treated like shiat and looked down upon.

Yes, I'm a guy.  No, I don't give a shiat.  Tired of the double-standards.
 
2013-04-30 08:54:48 PM  

Amos Quito: So, if a chick pulls a gang-bang-train, how many pills should she take?


It prevents implantation, so even if everybody on the entire Football Team coats her cervix with showstopping daubers, one is all she will need.

Pretty neat, huh?
 
2013-04-30 08:54:52 PM  
There was a time a single aspirin would prevent teen pregnancy.
 
2013-04-30 08:55:22 PM  

Amos Quito: So, if a chick pulls a gang-bang-train, how many pills should she take?


Yes.
 
2013-04-30 08:55:37 PM  

PistolGripPump: Now, I'm not trolling nor am I trying to add to the flamewar above, and I do not have data to prove the following statement, so please be gentle.  As someone who works in the STD "industry" and has seen the growth in antibiotic-resistant strains of Gonorrhea as well as new resurgence in Syphilis cases, my only concern with the OTC status of Plan B would be it leading to a decrease in use of other contraceptive methods that prevent the spread of STDs as well as pregnancy.  If young people decide to use Plan B as Plan A and neglect to use other forms of contraception (it feels better without latex barriers, you know what I mean), this could be a very bad thing for our country (but job security for me?).


Kidding, kinda, you could contend that the OTC Plan B is part of a plan to decrease the undereducated population. 1) less babies and 2) more spread of a disease until, in the long run like with TB, it becomes impossible to treat and causes sterilization of those who contract it, like chlamydia. (And, therefore, less babies)

I imagine somewhere is a room of rich old white men who are in agreement that there are only so many resources, but far too many people. The only answer is to let the bottom part of the Bell Curve dispose of itself. Smoking, reckless behavior, inadequate medical care access, etc...

With that theory, and my tinfoil hat tipped at a rakish angle, it somehow makes sense...
 
2013-04-30 08:56:34 PM  

amquelbettamin: There was a time a single aspirin would prevent teen pregnancy.


A few punches in the stomach or a tumble down the stairs worked, too.

I liked the good old days.
 
2013-04-30 08:56:34 PM  
why is this a big deal?
 
2013-04-30 08:56:44 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: So it's not legal for a 15 year old to consent to sex, but it's just fine if she buys a morning after pill without parental permission? Not really understanding the logic behind that decision.


And she better not smoke after sex!
 
2013-04-30 08:56:56 PM  
I didn't read thread, but I'm confused as to how someone "proves" they're 15 to some random person at the check-out.
It sounds like it will just be the cashier's judgement, which means it won't be handed out to anyone without a driver's license.
 
2013-04-30 08:56:59 PM  
This is going to confuse the heck out of the teen age anchor baby mommas
 
2013-04-30 08:57:03 PM  

Weaver95: why is this a big deal?


Because JESUS
 
2013-04-30 08:57:10 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: cchris_39: From the product insert:

4 CONTRAINDICATIONS 
Plan B One-Step is contraindicated for use in the case of known or suspected pregnancy.

Yeah, giving that to scared adolescent girls without any oversight sounds like some good science.

"Contraindicated" does not mean "dangerous."  It means, "Do not waste your money on Plan B if you're already pregnant, dumbass!"


No, you're thinking of "ineffective".  Contraindicated means increased risk of complications, to what degree in this case I freely admit I don't know, but would be interested if anyone does.
 
2013-04-30 08:57:25 PM  

WizardofToast: I can already see the arguments of how girls are now whores with this pill.

I use condoms. With their logic, I'm a big whore as well.


Don't be silly, only the chattel can be sluts.
 
2013-04-30 08:57:45 PM  

19 Kilo: ghetto teen poontang lab


I haven't checked, but there has to be a website where people can make their own concert T-shirts with these awesome band names.
 
2013-04-30 08:57:47 PM  

Infernalist: Weaver95: why is this a big deal?

Because JESUS


I didn't see any mention of this in the new testament.
 
2013-04-30 08:57:50 PM  

Igor Jakovsky: Dr. Goldshnoz: You just watch, this is going to cause crime, destroy the innocence of our children, bring the wraith of god upon us, destroy american society, and cause the further advance the women's war on men.

You just watch.

Im not looking forward to the wraith of God.  Hopefully my cleric has enough undead turning skills.


I can handle a wraith.

*takes off earrings*
 
2013-04-30 08:57:52 PM  

Descartes: Popcorn Johnny: So it's not legal for a 15 year old to consent to sex, but it's just fine if she buys a morning after pill without parental permission? Not really understanding the logic behind that decision.

And she better not smoke after sex!


If she does, she's doing it way too fast
 
2013-04-30 08:58:18 PM  

Wessoman: Amos Quito: So, if a chick pulls a gang-bang-train, how many pills should she take?

It prevents implantation, so even if everybody on the entire Football Team coats her cervix with showstopping daubers, one is all she will need.


Plan B include penicillin?
 
2013-04-30 08:58:49 PM  

Weaver95: Infernalist: Weaver95: why is this a big deal?

Because JESUS

I didn't see any mention of this in the new testament.


Well, you don't see anything in the New Testament about immigrants, gays or evolution, but that doesn't stop them from freaking on those subjects, either.
 
2013-04-30 08:59:13 PM  

douchebag/hater: And yet Sudafed is kept behind the counter and I need an ID to buy it.


If it turns out that Plan B can be used to make meth, no doubt it will be handled similarly. But you knew that.
 
2013-04-30 08:59:31 PM  

Infernalist: make me some tea: Thisbymaster: make me some tea: Popcorn Johnny: Aarontology: Because they're two entirely different issues.

How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.

Minors still have a right to have control over their own body and their own future.

What about the parents who force the girl to have the kid against her will?

Sex is gonna happen. It's nature.

Murder and Rape is gonna happen.  it's nature.  See how that doesn't work?

How is it people do not understand the concept of consent?

It's got nothing to do with 'consent' and everything to do with the concept of 'sin'.  Sex is bad and people should only have it in the dark, quietly and neither party should enjoy it.

anything that enables people(ESPECIALLY WOMEN) to have sex safely is an evil tool of Satan and liberals.

You see, to them, a baby isn't a miracle of life and something to celebrate and carefully plan.  A baby is a PUNISHMENT for having sex outside of marriage.  "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time!"

That's what has them so riled up.  Nothing more or less than that.


That does make sense, actually.

I was watching the debate on PBS Newshour over this issue tonight, the crazyeyes antiabortion lady was using the Philly abortion doctor trial as an excuse to advocate putting limitations on abortion clinics all over the country.

By her logic, if a restaurant makes their patrons sick, chicken and beef should be banned from restaurants in the entire city because they might contain pathogens and the preparers might not be following health codes, and they all should have to close by 6pm and they can't advertise because it's a public health risk!!!

Also, it's amazing how right-wingers hate government regulation unless it's an issue they feel strongly about.
 
2013-04-30 08:59:31 PM  

cchris_39: No, you're thinking of "ineffective".  Contraindicated means increased risk of complications, to what degree in this case I freely admit I don't know, but would be interested if anyone does.


Actually, it says that because the FDA Considers it to be a Catagory X drug for Pregnancy, meaning it has either confirmed or has a high suspicion of causing either miscarriages or teratogenic effects to the developing embryo/fetus.
 
2013-04-30 08:59:51 PM  

Weaver95: Infernalist: Weaver95: why is this a big deal?

Because JESUS

I didn't see any mention of this in the new testament.


Dude, jesus talked about abortions ALL the time...

That was his BIG thing... Abortions and homo sex...
 
2013-04-30 08:59:52 PM  

megarian: Exactly! This is why I think women who naturally have spontaneous miscarriages should be tried on charges of manslaughter. People (well, women) should do everything they can to make the womb a scientifically perfect environment for any potentially potential fertilized egg irregardless of weather or not they know they are pregnant. Because who knows?!? That egg that naturally was rejected could have been that one in 10^23 chance that the PERSON every egg is could have saved the world.


Just miscarriages? Man, you're not thinking big enough. Just think about every egg which goes to waste each time a woman has her period? You're talking about each woman being responsible for  dozens of lives being lost!
 
2013-04-30 08:59:53 PM  
I see a farkton of men arguing about this in every thread.

Hey, I've got a crazy idea: How about if everybody who isn't capable of bearing children shut the fark up about what you think someone else should do in the areas of birth control and pregnancy? If you can't do it, you don't get to have an opinion, per the Basic Rule of Life #7: Mind Your Own Farking Business.
 
2013-04-30 08:59:58 PM  

Weaver95: why is this a big deal?


The slippery slope got slipperier.
 
2013-04-30 09:00:20 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: fusillade762: Just out of curiosity: how does a 15-year-old prove their age?

I'm guessing school ID cards. A lot of school districts put the DOB on them in addition to the student's picture.


My guess is this bill brings guilt/parental involvement into it by making kids have to ask where the hell their birth certificate is so they can get a non-driver's ID. I had one at 15 or so because it was required for a school trip out of state. ID issued by the school, even a college, might not have DOB, and some fundie might consider keeping it off in some states "for the children." My guess is that most places will only accept "state or federally issued" ID.
 
2013-04-30 09:00:32 PM  
dmax:
I imagine somewhere is a room of rich old white men who are in agreement that there are only so many resources, but far too many people. The only answer is to let the bottom part of the Bell Curve dispose of itself. Smoking, reckless behavior, inadequate medical care access, etc...

Why would they want less poor, uneducated people? They're the ones that toil in their factories (sometimes illegally) and vote their puppets into power.
The intelligentsia is the enemy, not the working poor.
 
2013-04-30 09:00:37 PM  

Weaver95: Infernalist: Weaver95: why is this a big deal?

Because JESUS

I didn't see any mention of this in the new testament.


In the book of Matthew, Jesus clearly defines an embryo as a person with rights. Look it up!!!
 
2013-04-30 09:00:39 PM  

Infernalist: Weaver95: Infernalist: Weaver95: why is this a big deal?

Because JESUS

I didn't see any mention of this in the new testament.

Well, you don't see anything in the New Testament about immigrants, gays or evolution, but that doesn't stop them from freaking on those subjects, either.


true.  the evangelicals don't actually worship the christian god(s), they follow a much older series of deities.  blood, death, greed...we've seen those gods before.
 
2013-04-30 09:01:29 PM  

LibertyHiller: I see a farkton of men arguing about this in every thread.

Hey, I've got a crazy idea: How about if everybody who isn't capable of bearing children shut the fark up about what you think someone else should do in the areas of birth control and pregnancy? If you can't do it, you don't get to have an opinion, per the Basic Rule of Life #7: Mind Your Own Farking Business.


Hey, some of my best friends are women.  promiscuous women at that.
 
2013-04-30 09:02:06 PM  

Amos Quito: So, if a chick pulls a gang-bang-train, how many pills should she take?


To get her in the mood before the camera starts rolling or to prevent a pregnancy afterward?
 
2013-04-30 09:02:26 PM  

Infernalist: LibertyHiller: I see a farkton of men arguing about this in every thread.

Hey, I've got a crazy idea: How about if everybody who isn't capable of bearing children shut the fark up about what you think someone else should do in the areas of birth control and pregnancy? If you can't do it, you don't get to have an opinion, per the Basic Rule of Life #7: Mind Your Own Farking Business.

Hey, some of my best friends are women.  promiscuous women at that.


so you're saying I got a shot with some of 'em?
 
2013-04-30 09:02:33 PM  

Weaver95: Infernalist: Weaver95: Infernalist: Weaver95: why is this a big deal?

Because JESUS

I didn't see any mention of this in the new testament.

Well, you don't see anything in the New Testament about immigrants, gays or evolution, but that doesn't stop them from freaking on those subjects, either.

true.  the evangelicals don't actually worship the christian god(s), they follow a much older series of deities.  blood, death, greed...we've seen those gods before.


Best not to talk about it too loudly, people will freak out.
 
2013-04-30 09:02:38 PM  
Dogs bark - but the caravan moves on.
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