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2013-04-30 06:30:05 PM  
Good. Can't wait to see the fundies crying in their Cheerios over this one.
 
2013-04-30 06:32:17 PM  
And the sound of conservative heads exploding was heard throughout the land.
 
2013-04-30 06:35:10 PM  
Good.  Good.
 
2013-04-30 06:36:12 PM  
Just think how many abortions this will prevent.  Surely the anti-abortionists will be rejoicing at this news.
 
2013-04-30 06:42:29 PM  
Hell yeah, now you can roofie them at night and Plan B them in the morning.
 
2013-04-30 06:43:20 PM  

Kimothy: Good. Can't wait to see the fundies crying in their Cheerios over this one.


Really?
 
2013-04-30 06:43:21 PM  

basemetal: Hell yeah, now you can roofie them at night


So Plan A?
 
2013-04-30 06:45:08 PM  
I'm going to make a living selling this at the local junior high.
 
2013-04-30 06:59:47 PM  
When do they start selling Viagra OTC? Seems like it would be a nice counterbalance.
 
2013-04-30 07:04:32 PM  
Now that's some good news.
 
2013-04-30 07:11:56 PM  

Red Shirt Blues: When do they start selling Viagra OTC? Seems like it would be a nice counterbalance.


I wish to subscribe to your newsletter, Sir.
 
2013-04-30 07:17:58 PM  
cant wait to see the first commercial for it.
 
2013-04-30 07:18:47 PM  
So it's not legal for a 15 year old to consent to sex, but it's just fine if she buys a morning after pill without parental permission? Not really understanding the logic behind that decision.
 
2013-04-30 07:20:21 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: So it's not legal for a 15 year old to consent to sex, but it's just fine if she buys a morning after pill without parental permission? Not really understanding the logic behind that decision.


Because they're two entirely different issues.
 
2013-04-30 07:24:01 PM  

Aarontology: Because they're two entirely different issues.


How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.
 
2013-04-30 07:27:59 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: So it's not legal for a 15 year old to consent to sex, but it's just fine if she buys a morning after pill without parental permission? Not really understanding the logic behind that decision.


Should we also ban the purchase of contraception?

Also, it's legal for a 15 year old to have sex with another 15 year old.  And they do it all the time without worrying much about the law (and would continue to do so even if it were illegal).  Since this is going to happen anyway, we would at least like to limit the number of children produced from the activity.
 
2013-04-30 07:29:00 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Aarontology: Because they're two entirely different issues.

How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.


Minors still have a right to have control over their own body and their own future.

What about the parents who force the girl to have the kid against her will?

Sex is gonna happen. It's nature.
 
2013-04-30 07:29:48 PM  

TheOnion: Also, it's legal for a 15 year old to have sex with another 15 year old.


That's not true in all states.
 
2013-04-30 07:30:44 PM  
Popcorn Johnny: Aarontology: Because they're two entirely different issues.
  How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.

Frankly, I'd rather a 15 year old girl buy a morning after pill and avoid pregnancy all together than end up having a kid she can't take care of because she was too busy trying to hide everything from her parents or because her parents are fundie asshats that force her to have go through with the pregnancy rather help her get an abortion.
 
2013-04-30 07:32:14 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: TheOnion: Also, it's legal for a 15 year old to have sex with another 15 year old.

That's not true in all states.


So are you in favor of banning the sale of contraception or the morning after pill to 15 year olds in that jurisdiction?

Surely, you must agree that would cause more problems rather than solving them in terms of unplanned pregnancy and STD transmission, correct?
 
2013-04-30 07:32:28 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: So it's not legal for a 15 year old to consent to sex, but it's just fine if she buys a morning after pill without parental permission? Not really understanding the logic behind that decision.


First, in most states, it's legal under many circumstances.
Second, your analogy is flawed. It's like saying "It's illegal for felons to own guns, therefore felons should be unable to receive medical treatment if they accidentally shoot themselves with a gun."
 
2013-04-30 07:34:05 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.


Because the age of consent has nothing to do with a person purchasing medicine. As far as the law is concerned, now that the morning after pill is OTC, it's not any different (legally) than the 15 year old buying Advil or Claratin.

I get how they're connected in this context, but they're different laws governing different behavior.
 
2013-04-30 07:36:28 PM  

TheOnion: So are you in favor of banning the sale of contraception or the morning after pill to 15 year olds in that jurisdiction?

Surely, you must agree that would cause more problems rather than solving them in terms of unplanned pregnancy and STD transmission, correct?


If it was up to me, we would have one age of consent for the entire country. Seems silly that what you do in one state makes you a rapist in another. That said, I don't agree with girls under the age of consent being able to purchase this without their parents knowledge. Maybe it should be that they don't need parental permission, but the parents are notified of the purchase after the fact.
 
2013-04-30 07:43:47 PM  
How long until pharmacies and department stores refuse to carry it regardless?
 
2013-04-30 07:43:48 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.


Which is why all other consumer transactions involving minors require parental consent?
 
2013-04-30 07:43:56 PM  
Popcorn Johnny

If it was up to me, we would have one age of consent for the entire country. Seems silly that what you do in one state makes you a rapist in another. That said, I don't agree with girls under the age of consent being able to purchase this without their parents knowledge. Maybe it should be that they don't need parental permission, but the parents are notified of the purchase after the fact.

Would you rather see a theoretical and fantasy gain of the parental knowledge (also theoretically preventing this teen sex in this fantasy), which is just going to lead to children foregoing protection and having unprotected sex, or would you rather see the real world gain of fewer STDs and unplanned teen pregnancy?

I prefer making the real world better.  If you prefer fantasy, maybe you should sit down and rethink things.
 
2013-04-30 07:44:03 PM  
1.bp.blogspot.com

I am utterly disgusted by this news. Only a monstrous sociopath could look upon the above image and not recognize the sight of a precious human life whose willful termination is premeditated murder.
 
2013-04-30 07:44:21 PM  
Let the outrage begin!
 
2013-04-30 07:45:09 PM  
Meh, teens be farking, like it or not.

/they don't need to be parenting
//no matter if they saw it on Mtv or not
 
2013-04-30 07:45:28 PM  

Aarontology: Popcorn Johnny: How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.

Because the age of consent has nothing to do with a person purchasing medicine. As far as the law is concerned, now that the morning after pill is OTC, it's not any different (legally) than the 15 year old buying Advil or Claratin.

I get how they're connected in this context, but they're different laws governing different behavior.


These work wonders with some wine coolers.
 
2013-04-30 07:45:33 PM  

Dimensio: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 346x369]

I am utterly disgusted by this news. Only a monstrous sociopath could look upon the above image and not recognize the sight of a precious human life whose willful termination is premeditated murder.


Oddly enough at first glace I thought that was a condom.
 
2013-04-30 07:45:45 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: That said, I don't agree with girls under the age of consent being able to purchase this without their parents knowledge. Maybe it should be that they don't need parental permission, but the parents are notified of the purchase after the fact.


Why? The only other analogy out there are states that require parental notice to get an abortion. Do you think Plan B is an abortifacient? It's not. It's emergency contraceptive, it prevents pregnancy from occuring, it doesn't terminate an already-existing pregnancy.

Do you think parents should be notified when their children buy condoms?
 
2013-04-30 07:45:58 PM  

gadian: How long until pharmacies and department stores refuse to carry it regardless?


I assume it will be sold next to 5 Hour Energy at the Kwikee Mart.
 
2013-04-30 07:46:55 PM  
The government is moving the morning-after pill over the counter but only those 15 and older can buy it -- an attempt to find middle ground just days before a court-imposed deadline to lift all age restrictions on the emergency contraceptive.

Federal Judge:  You are hereby ordered to do XYZ.
FDA: OK, lets just do X instead.
(Next week) Federal Judge:  Perhaps you didn't hear me clearly...
 
2013-04-30 07:46:56 PM  
You just watch, this is going to cause crime, destroy the innocence of our children, bring the wraith of god upon us, destroy american society, and cause the further advance the women's war on men.

You just watch.
 
2013-04-30 07:47:15 PM  
"The farking Costco! A year's worth of macaroni and cheese, a 50 gallon drum of cranberry juice, or a pill that will kill a baby!"
 
2013-04-30 07:47:26 PM  

Kimothy: Good. Can't wait to see the fundies crying in their Cheerios over this one.


Just wait for all those high moral cashiers who refuse to check out any item they find morally objectionable.
 
2013-04-30 07:47:27 PM  
Popcorn!  Get your popcorn!

/I'm sure this thread will be thoughtful and san . . .
//HA! I almost finished typing that without laughing
 
2013-04-30 07:47:31 PM  
Between this, Tebow being told he sucks at football, and Jason Collins coming out, the Fundies have had a real bad week
 
2013-04-30 07:47:49 PM  
The thing to remember here, kids, is that pissing against the wind just makes you piss-covered. What you should be doing is pissing against the wind into a receptacle of some kind. Abstinence is goddamn stupid what with those hormones we've got so, as a right-to-center libertarian, I approve this idea wholeheartedly.

My wife is a conservative and she also approves. If kids are gonna be stupid no matter what, we may as well do something useful for them rather then talking about not being stupid.
 
2013-04-30 07:48:41 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: So it's not legal for a 15 year old to consent to sex, but it's just fine if she buys a morning after pill without parental permission? Not really understanding the logic behind that decision.


Fixed that........
 
2013-04-30 07:48:46 PM  
*Not valid in Jesusland
 
2013-04-30 07:49:00 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Aarontology: Because they're two entirely different issues.

How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.


Nope, the guvment is taking care of your kids now. Didn't you get the memo?
 
2013-04-30 07:49:22 PM  

Rincewind53: Popcorn Johnny: That said, I don't agree with girls under the age of consent being able to purchase this without their parents knowledge. Maybe it should be that they don't need parental permission, but the parents are notified of the purchase after the fact.

Why? The only other analogy out there are states that require parental notice to get an abortion. Do you think Plan B is an abortifacient? It's not. It's emergency contraceptive, it prevents pregnancy from occuring, it doesn't terminate an already-existing pregnancy.

Do you think parents should be notified when their children buy condoms?


Don't go giving him ideas.

Really - don't. If he's anything like a standard-model conservative his brain's already at capacity.  Shoving something new in one ear only causes something else they used to know to leak out the other.
 
2013-04-30 07:49:29 PM  

Dr. Goldshnoz: You just watch, this is going to cause crime, destroy the innocence of our children, bring the wraith of god upon us, destroy american society, and cause the further advance the women's war on men.

You just watch.


I don't think so. According to Pat Robertson and the late (yay!) Jerry Falwell, homos are to blame for all those things. Homos and lezzies. Homos, lesbians, and pagans. Homos, lesbians, pagans, and...oh forget it.  Let's just call it "everyone who doesn't watch Pat Robertson".
 
2013-04-30 07:49:45 PM  

Dr. Goldshnoz: You just watch, this is going to cause crime, destroy the innocence of our children, bring the wraith of god upon us, destroy american society, and cause the further advance the women's war on men.

You just watch.


Of equal concern is the confusion that will result in what percentage of crime, destruction of innocence, wrath of god, destruction of society and advancement of the war on men is a result of this move by the Food and Drug Administration, and what percentage of those calamities are a result of same-sex marriage.
 
2013-04-30 07:49:48 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: TheOnion: Also, it's legal for a 15 year old to have sex with another 15 year old.

That's not true in all states.


neither is smoking cigarettes (i live in Afghanistan)
 
2013-04-30 07:49:57 PM  
I just don't understand one thing about this pills: If I fark during lunch break, why do I have to wait 'til the next morning to use it?
 
2013-04-30 07:50:25 PM  
i'mokaywiththis.jpg
 
2013-04-30 07:50:25 PM  
Now prom goers won't have to buy the pregnancy test the morning after prom.  Just buy this product and problems solved.
 
2013-04-30 07:51:05 PM  

mayIFark: I just don't understand one thing about this pills: If I fark during lunch break, why do I have to wait 'til the next morning to use it?


You don't have to, it just goes great with a Bloody Mary or Mimosa
 
2013-04-30 07:51:05 PM  
Obama's going to turn all teenagers into promiscuous atheist whores!!
 
2013-04-30 07:51:08 PM  
If you're gonna stop things, best to stop things before they even get to the blastocyst stage, I say.
 
2013-04-30 07:51:09 PM  
I wonder who we will have lost.
 
2013-04-30 07:51:30 PM  
AWESOME!!!!!

This means less abortions and teen pregnancy!

/Sadly most pro-life/anti-abortionist will not get that
 
2013-04-30 07:51:41 PM  
This is that thing that makes you forget when you slept with someone ugly the night before, right?
 
2013-04-30 07:51:55 PM  
Waiting for a combination blend of rohypnol and time-release plan B.
 
2013-04-30 07:52:02 PM  

TomD9938: I wonder who we will have lost.


Probably another Hitler, thank God.
 
2013-04-30 07:52:02 PM  

RKade: The thing to remember here, kids, is that pissing against the wind just makes you piss-covered. What you should be doing is pissing against the wind into a receptacle of some kind. Abstinence is goddamn stupid what with those hormones we've got so, as a right-to-center libertarian, I approve this idea wholeheartedly.

My wife is a conservative and she also approves. If kids are gonna be stupid no matter what, we may as well do something useful for them rather then talking about not being stupid.


I liked everything about this.
 
2013-04-30 07:52:18 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.


Not if the kids are 18 or older. HIPAA specifically forbids that. Even if the kids are still under their parent's insurance, the parents do not have a legal right to find out what treatment their child receives.
 
2013-04-30 07:53:23 PM  

Tumunga: Nope, the guvment is taking care of your kids now. Didn't you get the memo?


The government not overly regulating people's medical decisions and consumer transactions, nor conducting surveillance over children, is "taking care of your kids now"?
 
2013-04-30 07:53:33 PM  
Well, that's probably the end of the FDA as we know it. Conservatives will completely destroy the agency, just like they did with the SEC and the EPA
 
2013-04-30 07:53:33 PM  

ultraholland: Obama's going to turn all teenagers into promiscuous atheist whores!!


Oh wow...that would be *awesome*.
 
2013-04-30 07:53:40 PM  

Red Shirt Blues: When do they start selling Viagra OTC? Seems like it would be a nice counterbalance.


Soon as Pfizer™ runs out of bribe money to keep the price up at prescription levels.
 
2013-04-30 07:53:53 PM  

gadian: How long until pharmacies and department stores refuse to carry it regardless?


About as long as it will take pharmacies and department stores to stop being capitalists, I imagine. A few establishments in "Deliverance" Bible Belt towns notwithstanding.
 
2013-04-30 07:53:54 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-30 07:54:02 PM  
kindda good. There should be no age restriction.
 
2013-04-30 07:54:24 PM  
Cool.  Now, instead of having long arguments about abortion all I have to do is serve them breakfast.
 
2013-04-30 07:54:43 PM  

Rincewind53: Do you think Plan B is an abortifacient? It's not. It's emergency contraceptive, it prevents pregnancy from occuring, it doesn't terminate an already-existing pregnancy.


I know what it does, thanks.
 
2013-04-30 07:55:02 PM  
Just out of curiosity: how does a 15-year-old prove their age?
 
2013-04-30 07:55:18 PM  

SilentStrider: Not if the kids are 18 or older.


You're pretty much making my point for me.
 
2013-04-30 07:55:20 PM  

gadian: How long until pharmacies and department stores refuse to carry it regardless?


Tomorrow?
 
2013-04-30 07:55:38 PM  
denver.mylittlefacewhen.com
 
2013-04-30 07:56:10 PM  

Dr. Goldshnoz: You just watch, this is going to cause crime, destroy the innocence of our children, bring the wraith of god upon us, destroy american society, and cause the further advance the women's war on men.

You just watch.


I thought all that was due to either single mother homes or homosexuality.
 
2013-04-30 07:56:22 PM  

SilentStrider: Popcorn Johnny: How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.

Not if the kids are 18 or older. HIPAA specifically forbids that. Even if the kids are still under their parent's insurance, the parents do not have a legal right to find out what treatment their child receives.


Not defending the guy, but his argument concerned 15 year-olds. Last time I checked, 15 was less than 18.
 
2013-04-30 07:56:43 PM  
Good.
 
2013-04-30 07:56:46 PM  

theorellior: TomD9938: I wonder who we will have lost.

Probably another Hitler, thank God.


Aside from his love of committing genocide, Hitler had a lot going for him.
 
2013-04-30 07:56:51 PM  

TomD9938: I wonder who we will have lost.


You know it isn't a zero-sum game.... right?

Girls and women who use this and who get abortions can go onto have children. Kids they maybe wouldn't have had if they were forced to have this one. Kids they in all likelihood will be better equipped to raise, since studies show women tend to make good judgements as to whether or not they can afford a child when they have an abortion. But no, lost kids.

\fed the troll =(
 
2013-04-30 07:57:15 PM  
U.S. District Judge Edward Korman of New York blasted the Obama administration for imposing the age-17 limit

 And now the Obama administration can't get the morning-after-being-blasted pill, it's only 4 years old!

Ha, ha, only joking.  We like to have fun here.  I'll just continue RTFA...


Half the nation's pregnancies every year are unintended

weblogs.sun-sentinel.com

Holy dickballs, that's farking awful.
 
2013-04-30 07:57:53 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: Kimothy: Good. Can't wait to see the fundies crying in their Cheerios over this one.

Just wait for all those high moral cashiers who refuse to check out any item they find morally objectionable.


Actually that's a quick way to law suite for either gender or age discrimination.  The only options they have is to not carry it (dunno what came from that one case), price gouge or to simply stock so little it is always sold out

The one thing to remember if its OTC: ha ha no insurance discount for you, pay the full price sucker
 
2013-04-30 07:58:05 PM  
Aboot time Americans. Plan B has no age limit in Canada and sold over the counter / on the shelves. This is the stuff that can help prevent future abortions. Great day for the
 
2013-04-30 07:58:35 PM  
 Somebody have some fun with this :-)
www.vitacost.com
 
2013-04-30 07:58:46 PM  
If I snort enough can I get high? How about grow boobs? Because I'm fine with either.
 
2013-04-30 07:58:58 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Rincewind53: Do you think Plan B is an abortifacient? It's not. It's emergency contraceptive, it prevents pregnancy from occuring, it doesn't terminate an already-existing pregnancy.

I know what it does, thanks.


So then I go back to my other question. Do you think condoms should require parental permission/notification? Condoms and Plan B do the same things, just at different times.
 
2013-04-30 07:59:12 PM  

TheOnion: Popcorn Johnny: So it's not legal for a 15 year old to consent to sex, but it's just fine if she buys a morning after pill without parental permission? Not really understanding the logic behind that decision.

Should we also ban the purchase of contraception?

Also, it's legal for a 15 year old to have sex with another 15 year old.  And they do it all the time without worrying much about the law (and would continue to do so even if it were illegal).  Since this is going to happen anyway, we would at least like to limit the number of children produced from the activity.


You are assuming that a 15 yr old has the brains to make that decision. I highly doubt it. There is a reason why they can't drive, vote or drink legally at that age.
 
2013-04-30 07:59:31 PM  
I just killed some skin cells by scratching myself.
 
2013-04-30 07:59:54 PM  
If you want to abort, you have to take Methotrexate.

/take 15mg of Methotrexate each week.
//Rheumatoid arthritis.
 
2013-04-30 07:59:55 PM  

ontariolightning: Aboot time Americans. Plan B has no age limit in Canada and sold over the counter / on the shelves. This is the stuff that can help prevent future abortions. Great day for the


So a thirteen year old in Canada can just walk up to the pharmacy counter and buy Plan B, no questions asked?
 
2013-04-30 08:00:27 PM  

TomD9938: I wonder who we will have lost.


Ah yes, the argument from potential. So the idea is that more people on the planet is inherently good, regardless of Earth's ability to support them? By that logic every fertile woman who refuses to have sex with me is a baby killer.

FILL THE PLANET ELBOW-TO-ELBOW WITH HUMANS!
 
2013-04-30 08:00:38 PM  
hopefully someone can figure out how to put it in the water supply of poor neighborhoods.
 
2013-04-30 08:01:09 PM  

Anthracite: You are assuming that a 15 yr old has the brains to make that decision. I highly doubt it. There is a reason why they can't drive, vote or drink legally at that age.


Or not.
 
2013-04-30 08:01:56 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: SilentStrider: Not if the kids are 18 or older.

You're pretty much making my point for me.


*re-reads*

Ahh.
My bad.
 
2013-04-30 08:02:06 PM  

Begoggle: I just killed some skin cells by scratching myself.


YOU MONSTER
 
2013-04-30 08:02:33 PM  

Rincewind53: Condoms and Plan B do the same things, just at different times.


Can you explain what you mean by this?
 
2013-04-30 08:02:45 PM  

CaptSacto: And the sound of conservative heads exploding was heard throughout the land.


...the freepers are moaning about how they need to show ID to get sudafed but kids can get RU-486 without a prescription.

One person noted that Plan B is not RU-486 and was ignored.
 
2013-04-30 08:02:47 PM  

Qellaqan: Girls and women who use this and who get abortions can go onto have children. Kids they maybe wouldn't have had if they were forced to have this one. Kids they in all likelihood will be better equipped to raise,


Right.   No one great ever grew up under difficult circumstances.
 
2013-04-30 08:02:49 PM  
See, while this will legitimately help some people, I know from seeing it firsthand at pharmacies in, shall we say, the less reputable neighborhoods of Providence, that there are people that will go in almost every other week to buy said drugs.  You'd think the girl would just tell the guys to use a condom or it's an extra $50.

\then again, same store had an issue with some crackhead coming in and literally shiatting all over the bathroom
\\it's easily the store I miss the least
 
2013-04-30 08:02:54 PM  

Kimothy: Good. Can't wait to see the fundies crying in their Cheerios over this one.


It's not quite a total victory, unfortunately, as the 15-or-older with ID limit is still in place. It'll be a proper victory when that age limit and ID requirement is lifted, and you can buy this like you'd buy aspirin.

Given our population demands, anything that avoids unwanted pregnancy should be as free as friggin' water at this point. But, again, there are knuckle-draggers that want to ensure that women who have sex out of wedlock are treated as less than human, and so they won't let something like this go without a fight.
 
2013-04-30 08:02:59 PM  

Anthracite: TheOnion: Popcorn Johnny: So it's not legal for a 15 year old to consent to sex, but it's just fine if she buys a morning after pill without parental permission? Not really understanding the logic behind that decision.

Should we also ban the purchase of contraception?

Also, it's legal for a 15 year old to have sex with another 15 year old.  And they do it all the time without worrying much about the law (and would continue to do so even if it were illegal).  Since this is going to happen anyway, we would at least like to limit the number of children produced from the activity.

You are assuming that a 15 yr old has the brains to make that decision. I highly doubt it. There is a reason why they can't drive, vote or drink legally at that age.


How much brain do you need to decide whether you should bear a child at 15?
 
2013-04-30 08:03:01 PM  

Anthracite: TheOnion: Popcorn Johnny: So it's not legal for a 15 year old to consent to sex, but it's just fine if she buys a morning after pill without parental permission? Not really understanding the logic behind that decision.

Should we also ban the purchase of contraception?

Also, it's legal for a 15 year old to have sex with another 15 year old.  And they do it all the time without worrying much about the law (and would continue to do so even if it were illegal).  Since this is going to happen anyway, we would at least like to limit the number of children produced from the activity.

You are assuming that a 15 yr old has the brains to make that decision. I highly doubt it. There is a reason why they can't drive, vote or drink legally at that age.


No he isn't.  He's (correctly) recognizing the fact that nothing is going to stop 15 year olds from farking.  This will reduce the number of pregnancies which will result.  There is no evidence or reason to believe that it will increase underage sex.
 
2013-04-30 08:03:26 PM  

Rincewind53: Do you think condoms should require parental permission/notification? Condoms and Plan B do the same things, just at different times.


For people under the age of consent? Yes they should.
 
2013-04-30 08:03:40 PM  
This is going to save taxpayers a ton of money in the long run and I'm all for it.
 
2013-04-30 08:03:53 PM  

Red Shirt Blues: When do they start selling Viagra OTC? Seems like it would be a nice counterbalance.


I know for sure that you can order viagra or cialis like research chemicals. Price all depends on the vendor.

Anyways hurray for the FDA doing something right!
 
2013-04-30 08:04:01 PM  

fusillade762: TomD9938: FILL THE PLANET ELBOW-TO-ELBOW WITH HUMANS!


I whole-heartedly support this initiative, if only to bring back bloodsport.
 
2013-04-30 08:04:31 PM  

Anthracite: TheOnion: Popcorn Johnny: So it's not legal for a 15 year old to consent to sex, but it's just fine if she buys a morning after pill without parental permission? Not really understanding the logic behind that decision.

Should we also ban the purchase of contraception?

Also, it's legal for a 15 year old to have sex with another 15 year old.  And they do it all the time without worrying much about the law (and would continue to do so even if it were illegal).  Since this is going to happen anyway, we would at least like to limit the number of children produced from the activity.

You are assuming that a 15 yr old has the brains to make that decision. I highly doubt it. There is a reason why they can't drive, vote or drink legally at that age.


I'm not assuming anything.  15 year olds have sex.  It's a fact.  The legality of the issue sure doesn't stop them either.  The only question is do we want them to be able to legally purchase protection.  If we say yes, we accept that they'll have sex, but the availability of protection should reduce the rate of STDs and unplanned pregnancy.  If we say no, we accept that they'll have sex, but pay the price of increased STDs and unplanned pregnancy for the benefit of...something.
 
2013-04-30 08:04:39 PM  

megarian: Begoggle: I just killed some skin cells by scratching myself.

YOU MONSTER


I'm going to clip my nails now AND THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO STOP ME!
 
2013-04-30 08:04:42 PM  

TomD9938: I wonder who we will have lost.


Didn't they already discover that the main reason the crime rate has gone down in the last 40 years is poor people are having fewer kids?
 
2013-04-30 08:04:53 PM  

FriarReb98: See, while this will legitimately help some people, I know from seeing it firsthand at pharmacies in, shall we say, the less reputable neighborhoods of Providence, that there are people that will go in almost every other week to buy said drugs.  You'd think the girl would just tell the guys to use a condom or it's an extra $50.

I

don't see who is not benefiting.
 
2013-04-30 08:05:44 PM  

mr lawson: Anthracite: You are assuming that a 15 yr old has the brains to make that decision. I highly doubt it. There is a reason why they can't drive, vote or drink legally at that age.

Or not.


The ability to attend college does not magically confer the maturity to make good decisions, but you knew that.
 
2013-04-30 08:06:12 PM  
Preg-Not
Embry-No
Nary a Carry
Nay, Family Way
Mom Bomb
Junior, Miss
Inconceivable!
Mommy Not
Fetus Fail
Kiddie Kill
Poppa Stopper
Womb Broom
Humpty Dumpty
Baby-Maybe
 
2013-04-30 08:06:28 PM  

KarmicDisaster: This is going to save taxpayers a ton of money in the long run and I'm all for it.


THIS.
 
2013-04-30 08:06:42 PM  

Rincewind53: So then I go back to my other question. Do you think condoms should require parental permission/notification? Condoms and Plan B do the same things, just at different times.


...given the shiatty quality of sex education in this country I'm going to be pedantic and pull a captain obvious here. Condoms protect against STDs too, Plan B does not.

/yes, I'm sure you already no this
//not so sure about the teenage girl who thinks she can bareback because she can get Plan B without telling her folks
 
2013-04-30 08:06:50 PM  

bingethinker: Didn't they already discover that the main reason the crime rate has gone down in the last 40 years is poor people are having fewer kids?


Can you provide a citation for this?
 
2013-04-30 08:07:01 PM  

Primitive Screwhead: Preg-Not
Embry-No
Nary a Carry
Nay, Family Way
Mom Bomb
Junior, Miss
Inconceivable!
Mommy Not
Fetus Fail
Kiddie Kill
Poppa Stopper
Womb Broom
Humpty Dumpty
Baby-Maybe


Winnar!
 
2013-04-30 08:07:06 PM  

bingethinker: Didn't they already discover that the main reason the crime rate has gone down in the last 40 years is poor people are having fewer kids?


yup. freakonomics at work.
/abortions lower crime rates and tax rates.
 
2013-04-30 08:07:18 PM  
Tide detergent will lose its crown as the most shoplifted item at Walgreens.

Maybe tons of pills will be stolen by fundies to keep them out of girls' mouths.
 
2013-04-30 08:08:06 PM  

TomD9938: Right. No one great ever grew up under difficult circumstances.


Well, then, we should enact policies that keep more and more people in poverty and need so their bootstrappy greatness can more fully manifest. Plus, that means rich people can get richer! A win-win if I've ever heard of one.
 
2013-04-30 08:08:19 PM  

KarmicDisaster: This is going to save taxpayers a ton of money in the long run and I'm all for it.


How do you think this will save taxpayers money?
 
2013-04-30 08:08:39 PM  

bingethinker: TomD9938: I wonder who we will have lost.

Didn't they already discover that the main reason the crime rate has gone down in the last 40 years is poor people are having fewer kids?


"Freakonomics" made that argument pretty well. Others have cited a correlation with banning lead in paint.
 
2013-04-30 08:08:41 PM  
But how will we properly shame our sluts??

The consequences will never be the same.
 
2013-04-30 08:08:45 PM  

bugontherug: bingethinker: Didn't they already discover that the main reason the crime rate has gone down in the last 40 years is poor people are having fewer kids?

Can you provide a citation for this?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalized_abortion_and_crime_effect
 
2013-04-30 08:09:08 PM  

Primitive Screwhead: Preg-Not
Embry-No
Nary a Carry
Nay, Family Way
Mom Bomb
Junior, Miss
Inconceivable!
Mommy Not
Fetus Fail
Kiddie Kill
Poppa Stopper
Womb Broom
Humpty Dumpty
Baby-Maybe


Nice. I prefer "Try Spartans. Getting the jobs that the Trojans couldn't do."
 
2013-04-30 08:09:11 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Tide detergent will lose its crown as the most shoplifted item at Walgreens.

Maybe tons of pills will be stolen by fundies to keep them out of girls' mouths.


Or stolen by the children of fundies to keep their parents from finding out they're sexually active and too stupid to use a condom.
 
2013-04-30 08:09:27 PM  

mr lawson: /abortions lower crime rates and tax rates.


imgs.xkcd.com

Not that I have another explanation for the data.
 
2013-04-30 08:09:59 PM  
www.charlock.org
 
2013-04-30 08:09:59 PM  

ultraholland: Obama's going to turn all teenagers into promiscuous atheist whores!!


Thanks, Obama! :)
 
2013-04-30 08:10:09 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Tide detergent will lose its crown as the most shoplifted item at Walgreens.

Maybe tons of pills will be stolen by fundies to keep them out of girls' mouths.


They'll keep them in the cabinet like they do razor blade and sometimes condoms
 
2013-04-30 08:10:19 PM  

bugontherug: KarmicDisaster: This is going to save taxpayers a ton of money in the long run and I'm all for it.

How do you think this will save taxpayers money?


Because generally it's those with the least ability to take care of kids that end up having the kids.  And when they need help, they look to public assistance.
 
2013-04-30 08:10:21 PM  

TomD9938: I wonder who we will have lost.


Exactly! This is why I think women who naturally have spontaneous miscarriages should be tried on charges of manslaughter. People (well, women) should do everything they can to make the womb a scientifically perfect environment for any potentially potential fertilized egg irregardless of weather or not they know they are pregnant. Because who knows?!? That egg that naturally was rejected could have been that one in 10^23 chance that the PERSON every egg is could have saved the world.

*fistbump*
 
2013-04-30 08:10:30 PM  
Remember folks - the Government is only supposed to "mind it's own business" when it comes to weapons you can slaughter other people with. When it comes to your own body, it should be all up in your business.
 
2013-04-30 08:10:45 PM  

Infernalist: bugontherug: bingethinker: Didn't they already discover that the main reason the crime rate has gone down in the last 40 years is poor people are having fewer kids?

Can you provide a citation for this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalized_abortion_and_crime_effect


Thank you.
 
2013-04-30 08:11:19 PM  
www.maureenmcgovern.com
APPROVES!
She's been waiting for this since 1973!
 
2013-04-30 08:11:24 PM  

Dimensio: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 346x369]

I am utterly disgusted by this news. Only a monstrous sociopath could look upon the above image and not recognize the sight of a precious human life whose willful termination is premeditated murder.


It looks like burnt cheese pizza with a bubble in the dough.
 
2013-04-30 08:11:30 PM  

bingethinker: TomD9938: I wonder who we will have lost.

Didn't they already discover that the main reason the crime rate has gone down in the last 40 years is poor people are having fewer kids?


We could just profile newborns and sterilize the appropriate (poor) candidates right at birth.

They wont remember a thing and they can fark like rabbits the rest of their lives and we wont have to worry about their hell-spawn getting their hands on our stuff.
 
2013-04-30 08:11:31 PM  

bugontherug: bingethinker: Didn't they already discover that the main reason the crime rate has gone down in the last 40 years is poor people are having fewer kids?

Can you provide a citation for this?


bugontherug: KarmicDisaster: This is going to save taxpayers a ton of money in the long run and I'm all for it.

How do you think this will save taxpayers money?


bugontherug: Rincewind53: Condoms and Plan B do the same things, just at different times.

Can you explain what you mean by this?



Do you really have no understanding of the issues which surround the topic under discussion?
 
2013-04-30 08:11:38 PM  
I can now see popped collar bros trying to weasel their way into unprotected sex: "I'm like totally clean. Besides, you can pill it tomorrow morning baby."

Still, this is gonna save taxpayers a hell of a lot of money. Thank goodness.
 
2013-04-30 08:11:41 PM  

bugontherug: ontariolightning: Aboot time Americans. Plan B has no age limit in Canada and sold over the counter / on the shelves. This is the stuff that can help prevent future abortions. Great day for the

So a thirteen year old in Canada can just walk up to the pharmacy counter and buy Plan B, no questions asked?


If you really want your day ruined, there are no limits on abortion in Canada. Third trimester? Legs in the stirrups, please.

No legal restrictions. Only access and funding problems I guess. You'd have to ask someone from America's hat whether I'm correct or not.
 
2013-04-30 08:12:15 PM  

Fjornir: mr lawson: /abortions lower crime rates and tax rates.

[imgs.xkcd.com image 459x185]

Not that I have another explanation for the data.


one of my favorites by him!
Have it posted above my monitor.
/B.S. Economics
 
2013-04-30 08:12:28 PM  

DarwiOdrade: BarkingUnicorn: Tide detergent will lose its crown as the most shoplifted item at Walgreens.

Maybe tons of pills will be stolen by fundies to keep them out of girls' mouths.

Or stolen by the children of fundies to keep their parents from finding out they're sexually active and too stupid to use a condom.


Seriously, this pill will not be put out on shelves even though the FDA says it can be.  It's too valuable and there will be too much demand for it.
 
2013-04-30 08:12:54 PM  

fusillade762: megarian: Begoggle: I just killed some skin cells by scratching myself.

YOU MONSTER

I'm going to clip my nails now AND THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO STOP ME!


This is why I support de-clawing for ALL MAMALS!

/the reptiles control all. They don't shed skin until it dies in mass quantities and they have to shed it via awesome boots.
 
2013-04-30 08:13:34 PM  

TomD9938: We could just profile newborns and sterilize the appropriate (poor) candidates right at birth.


Oh, I get it. Trollin trollin trollin, keep those doggies trollin.
 
2013-04-30 08:14:09 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: DarwiOdrade: BarkingUnicorn: Tide detergent will lose its crown as the most shoplifted item at Walgreens.

Maybe tons of pills will be stolen by fundies to keep them out of girls' mouths.

Or stolen by the children of fundies to keep their parents from finding out they're sexually active and too stupid to use a condom.

Seriously, this pill will not be put out on shelves even though the FDA says it can be.  It's too valuable and there will be too much demand for it.


Is there a patent on it, or are we going to see a 'generic' effect, where a dozen companies provide the same product under different names at increasingly cheaper prices?
 
2013-04-30 08:14:16 PM  

fusillade762: Just out of curiosity: how does a 15-year-old prove their age?


I'm guessing school ID cards. A lot of school districts put the DOB on them in addition to the student's picture.
 
2013-04-30 08:14:24 PM  

theorellior: TomD9938: We could just profile newborns and sterilize the appropriate (poor) candidates right at birth.

Oh, I get it. Trollin trollin trollin, keep those doggies trollin.


you say that like it is a bad idea?
 
2013-04-30 08:14:28 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: bugontherug: ontariolightning: Aboot time Americans. Plan B has no age limit in Canada and sold over the counter / on the shelves. This is the stuff that can help prevent future abortions. Great day for the

So a thirteen year old in Canada can just walk up to the pharmacy counter and buy Plan B, no questions asked?

If you really want your day ruined, there are no limits on abortion in Canada. Third trimester? Legs in the stirrups, please.

No legal restrictions. Only access and funding problems I guess. You'd have to ask someone from America's hat whether I'm correct or not.


I'm from America's Hat, and you're correct...though I don't think many doctors are willing to perform late-term abortions for no reason. But then again, who knows.
 
2013-04-30 08:16:23 PM  

Staffist: Kimothy: Good. Can't wait to see the fundies crying in their Cheerios over this one.

Really?


Yep. Sick of their obnoxious God in Government viewpoint that prevents or delays sensible decisions, especially about sex, drugs, alcohol, or control over your own body.
 
2013-04-30 08:16:43 PM  

Fjornir: mr lawson: /abortions lower crime rates and tax rates.

[imgs.xkcd.com image 459x185]

Not that I have another explanation for the data.


Freakanomics does a good job of laying out the case for that.  That unwanted children are more likely to end up involved in crime and reducing unwanted children has a follow on effect of reducing crime a couple of decades later.
 
2013-04-30 08:17:24 PM  

fusillade762: Just out of curiosity: how does a 15-year-old prove their age?


Well, in some states one can drive at 14 (15 in others)

Though i suspect the point is requiring ID will of course prevent many/most 15-year-olds from purchasing a legal OTC product.

(At what age can folks get non-driver State ID's? varies by state, I'm sure)
 
2013-04-30 08:18:15 PM  
Hmm. What's next?
Chewables? 

...dissolvables. "Have a wild night? Making her breakfast? Drop one of these in her OJ and you're good to go!"

It's possible I'm a terrible person.
 
2013-04-30 08:18:57 PM  
I am somewhat comforted that America is one of the few countries that does not regulate the sales of melatonin. You can find it on the shelves of must drug stores and it is in fact quite cheap relative.  The only reasons I state this is that I developed a dangerous pineal cyst which was endoscopically removed including the entire gland.  So I now require exogenous melattonin to trick myself that it in fact nighttime.  Just saying that it is a godsend that melatonin is OTC unlike other countries
 
2013-04-30 08:19:03 PM  
I sincerely doubt that a single 15 year old out there will have any issues at all getting this if they truly want it.

They have little issue getting their hands on cigarettes and/or liquor, after all.  I would suspect that the same 18+ crowd that enables their bad habits will be more than happy to help them with this, as well.
 
2013-04-30 08:19:30 PM  
Now, I'm not trolling nor am I trying to add to the flamewar above, and I do not have data to prove the following statement, so please be gentle.  As someone who works in the STD "industry" and has seen the growth in antibiotic-resistant strains of Gonorrhea as well as new resurgence in Syphilis cases, my only concern with the OTC status of Plan B would be it leading to a decrease in use of other contraceptive methods that prevent the spread of STDs as well as pregnancy.  If young people decide to use Plan B as Plan A and neglect to use other forms of contraception (it feels better without latex barriers, you know what I mean), this could be a very bad thing for our country (but job security for me?).
 
2013-04-30 08:20:04 PM  

megarian: /the reptiles control all.


Paging Obama's Reptilian Master to the thread.
 
2013-04-30 08:20:25 PM  

TheOnion: Anthracite: TheOnion: Popcorn Johnny: So it's not legal for a 15 year old to consent to sex, but it's just fine if she buys a morning after pill without parental permission? Not really understanding the logic behind that decision.

Should we also ban the purchase of contraception?

Also, it's legal for a 15 year old to have sex with another 15 year old.  And they do it all the time without worrying much about the law (and would continue to do so even if it were illegal).  Since this is going to happen anyway, we would at least like to limit the number of children produced from the activity.

You are assuming that a 15 yr old has the brains to make that decision. I highly doubt it. There is a reason why they can't drive, vote or drink legally at that age.

I'm not assuming anything.  15 year olds have sex.  It's a fact.  The legality of the issue sure doesn't stop them either.  The only question is do we want them to be able to legally purchase protection.  If we say yes, we accept that they'll have sex, but the availability of protection should reduce the rate of STDs and unplanned pregnancy.  If we say no, we accept that they'll have sex, but pay the price of increased STDs and unplanned pregnancy for the benefit of...something.


The average 15 year old today is far too busy playing Yu Gi Oh or Call or Duty or whatever nonsense the kids are into now, to be bothered socializing with females. I know more people today ranging in age from 16-30 that aren't having sex, and couldn't find someone to have sex with even if they wanted to, than in any other time in history, and most of them don't even care and don't want to try, so the whole hormones, human nature, kids are going to be kids argument is a load of bunk.
 
2013-04-30 08:20:40 PM  

Rincewind53: So then I go back to my other question. Do you think condoms should require parental permission/notification? Condoms and Plan B do the same things, just at different times.


Not quite.  Condoms prevent the sperm from fertilizing the egg.  Plan B prevents the already fertilized egg from implanting in the uterus. For those who believe that life begins at fertilization Plan B is tantamount to infanticide.

/does not believe life begins at fertilization.
 
2013-04-30 08:21:29 PM  
It'll be fun to watch conservatives whine and moan about how there needs to be more government oversight and regulation here, completely incapable of processing that cognitive dissonance.
 
2013-04-30 08:21:34 PM  

PistolGripPump: Now, I'm not trolling nor am I trying to add to the flamewar above, and I do not have data to prove the following statement, so please be gentle.  As someone who works in the STD "industry" and has seen the growth in antibiotic-resistant strains of Gonorrhea as well as new resurgence in Syphilis cases, my only concern with the OTC status of Plan B would be it leading to a decrease in use of other contraceptive methods that prevent the spread of STDs as well as pregnancy.  If young people decide to use Plan B as Plan A and neglect to use other forms of contraception (it feels better without latex barriers, you know what I mean), this could be a very bad thing for our country (but job security for me?).


This is a solid point.  It bears repeating that this Plan B thing is only 'part' of a responsible approach to your sex life and shouldn't be seen as a silver bullet approach to safe sex.

In short, people still need to wear condoms and be careful who they bump uglies with.
 
2013-04-30 08:22:23 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: Freakanomics does a good job of laying out the case for that.  That unwanted children are more likely to end up involved in crime and reducing unwanted children has a follow on effect of reducing crime a couple of decades later.


I've read the book, got a copy of it on my shelf in front of me in fact. The statistics indicate that there is a correlation based on the data and that correlation remains when you isolate for the factors the authors were able to do regression analysis for.
 
2013-04-30 08:22:41 PM  

spman: TheOnion: Anthracite: TheOnion: Popcorn Johnny: So it's not legal for a 15 year old to consent to sex, but it's just fine if she buys a morning after pill without parental permission? Not really understanding the logic behind that decision.

Should we also ban the purchase of contraception?

Also, it's legal for a 15 year old to have sex with another 15 year old.  And they do it all the time without worrying much about the law (and would continue to do so even if it were illegal).  Since this is going to happen anyway, we would at least like to limit the number of children produced from the activity.

You are assuming that a 15 yr old has the brains to make that decision. I highly doubt it. There is a reason why they can't drive, vote or drink legally at that age.

I'm not assuming anything.  15 year olds have sex.  It's a fact.  The legality of the issue sure doesn't stop them either.  The only question is do we want them to be able to legally purchase protection.  If we say yes, we accept that they'll have sex, but the availability of protection should reduce the rate of STDs and unplanned pregnancy.  If we say no, we accept that they'll have sex, but pay the price of increased STDs and unplanned pregnancy for the benefit of...something.

The average 15 year old today is far too busy playing Yu Gi Oh or Call or Duty or whatever nonsense the kids are into now, to be bothered socializing with females. I know more people today ranging in age from 16-30 that aren't having sex, and couldn't find someone to have sex with even if they wanted to, than in any other time in history, and most of them don't even care and don't want to try, so the whole hormones, human nature, kids are going to be kids argument is a load of bunk.


Well, your anecdotal personal experience certainly trumps decades of scientific study and research, doesn't it?
 
2013-04-30 08:23:14 PM  
spman:

The average 15 year old today is far too busy playing Yu Gi Oh or Call or Duty or whatever nonsense the kids are into now, to be bothered socializing with females. I know more people today ranging in age from 16-30 that aren't having sex, and couldn't find someone to have sex with even if they wanted to, than in any other time in history, and most of them don't even care and don't want to try, so the whole hormones, human nature, kids are going to be kids argument is a load of bunk.

Are you serious?
 
2013-04-30 08:23:32 PM  

spman: and most of them don't even care and don't want to try, so the whole hormones, human nature, kids are going to be kids argument is a load of bunk.

 
2013-04-30 08:23:37 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: So it's not legal for a 15 year old to consent to sex, but it's just fine if she buys a morning after pill without parental permission? Not really understanding the logic behind that decision.


Some 15 year olds are impregnated by their parents.
 
2013-04-30 08:23:44 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.


Except that they don't, by federal law.

I cannot tell a parent anything related to their child's sexual activity - including medical information, without that child's permission if they are over 14 years of age.
 
2013-04-30 08:23:47 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Aarontology: Because they're two entirely different issues.

How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.


So you want them to watch?
 
2013-04-30 08:23:54 PM  

fusillade762: Just out of curiosity: how does a 15-year-old prove their age?


show their tits?
 
2013-04-30 08:24:09 PM  

PistolGripPump:  someone who works in the STD "industry"


Better not put that on your business card.
 
2013-04-30 08:24:35 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: Not quite.  Condoms prevent the sperm from fertilizing the egg.  Plan B prevents the already fertilized egg from implanting in the uterus.


Not quite. Plan B can also prevent ovulation. And fertilization.
 
2013-04-30 08:25:23 PM  
A victory for vaginas everywere.
 
2013-04-30 08:25:34 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Rincewind53: Do you think condoms should require parental permission/notification? Condoms and Plan B do the same things, just at different times.

For people under the age of consent? Yes they should.


If you don't want your kids having sex, using condoms, or buying Plan B, teach them not to do those things.  Why do we have to make up for your shiatty parenting?
 
2013-04-30 08:26:08 PM  

TomD9938: I wonder who we will have lost.


Exactly no one.
 
2013-04-30 08:26:16 PM  

Infernalist: Is there a patent on it, or are we going to see a 'generic' effect, where a dozen companies provide the same product under different names at increasingly cheaper prices?


If we see such price competition, it won't benefit consumers.  Walgreens will buy the cheapest product and sell it for as much as possible.  There won't be a dozen brands on the shelf any more than there are dozen brands of nicotine patches.
 
2013-04-30 08:26:49 PM  

Infernalist: Winnar!


Can't take credit that's all George Carlin. He had a bit about OTC birth control pills way back in '72
 
2013-04-30 08:26:57 PM  
Brought to you by the woman who was recently the well-respected governor of Kansas. Can you believe it?
 
2013-04-30 08:27:03 PM  
You people do realize that Plan B works by inhibiting ovulation, right?
 
2013-04-30 08:27:07 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: So it's not legal for a 15 year old to consent to sex, but it's just fine if she buys a morning after pill without parental permission? Not really understanding the logic behind that decision.


It's perfectly logical in GOP land where a GOPer's daughter is pregnant and he sneaks her over to an abortion state while covering it up.
 
2013-04-30 08:27:15 PM  

Kimothy: Staffist: Kimothy: Good. Can't wait to see the fundies crying in their Cheerios over this one.


Why would they cry?  Poor women are three times more likely to seek abortions than rich women and poor women are far more likely to vote Democrat. This will keep more potential Democrats from being born. The fundies are probably secretly overjoyed that the people most likely to seek abortions are those most likely to oppose them politically,  regardless of what they say.
 
2013-04-30 08:27:15 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Infernalist: Is there a patent on it, or are we going to see a 'generic' effect, where a dozen companies provide the same product under different names at increasingly cheaper prices?

If we see such price competition, it won't benefit consumers.  Walgreens will buy the cheapest product and sell it for as much as possible.  There won't be a dozen brands on the shelf any more than there are dozen brands of nicotine patches.


Well, I don't see why not.  I see a dozen different kinds of aspirin whenever I head to the store, why not this?
 
2013-04-30 08:27:19 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: Dr. Goldshnoz: You just watch, this is going to cause crime, destroy the innocence of our children, bring the wraith of god upon us, destroy american society, and cause the further advance the women's war on men.

You just watch.

I don't think so. According to Pat Robertson and the late (yay!) Jerry Falwell, homos are to blame for all those things. Homos and lezzies. Homos, lesbians, and pagans. Homos, lesbians, pagans, and...oh forget it.  Let's just call it "everyone who doesn't watch Pat Robertson".


Homos, lesbians and pagans! Oh my!
 
2013-04-30 08:27:48 PM  
Let's all go out tonight and create some unwanted pregnancies!
 
2013-04-30 08:27:53 PM  

kronicfeld: Tumunga: Nope, the guvment is taking care of your kids now. Didn't you get the memo?

The government not overly regulating people's medical decisions and consumer transactions, nor conducting surveillance over children, is "taking care of your kids now"?


The government overly regulating my kid's snatch.
 
2013-04-30 08:27:54 PM  

ManateeGag: cant wait to see the first commercial for it.


I wonder if it will look anything like this commercial for birth control.
 
2013-04-30 08:28:21 PM  

perigee: [www.maureenmcgovern.com image 437x600]
APPROVES!
She's been waiting for this since 1973!


Funnied and smarted.
/Hat's off.
 
2013-04-30 08:28:22 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: There won't be a dozen brands on the shelf any more than there are dozen brands of nicotine patches.


Nicoderm, Equate, Habitrol, Rugby, ...were you saying something?
 
2013-04-30 08:28:23 PM  

Rincewind53: Popcorn Johnny: So it's not legal for a 15 year old to consent to sex, but it's just fine if she buys a morning after pill without parental permission? Not really understanding the logic behind that decision.

First, in most states, it's legal under many circumstances.
Second, your analogy is flawed. It's like saying "It's illegal for felons to own guns, therefore felons should be unable to receive medical treatment if they accidentally shoot themselves with a gun."


In that circumstance the gunshot wound should be treated, obviously, but it should also be reported to the police, which is what happens. ...or parents, by analogy.
 
2013-04-30 08:28:27 PM  

MeanJean: You people do realize that Plan B works by inhibiting ovulation, right?


gasp  you're right.

Quick, tell me more.
 
2013-04-30 08:28:40 PM  
Good.

In the interests of both disclosure and giving someone something to be butthurt about, I will say that I am morally opposed to abortion, but there are a few reasons why I say that I think this is a good thing:

1) It's none of my business.
2) There are two things that I am sure of-there is a God, and I'm not him. I have no right to judge.
3) Since this prevents implantation, it's not strictly speaking abortion.
 
2013-04-30 08:28:58 PM  

bugontherug: ontariolightning: Aboot time Americans. Plan B has no age limit in Canada and sold over the counter / on the shelves. This is the stuff that can help prevent future abortions. Great day for the

So a thirteen year old in Canada can just walk up to the pharmacy counter and buy Plan B, no questions asked?


yes
 
2013-04-30 08:29:22 PM  

VaportrailFilms: Hmm. What's next?
Chewables? 

...dissolvables. "Have a wild night? Making her breakfast? Drop one of these in her OJ and you're good to go!"

It's possible I'm a terrible person.


No, you're not.  It's about damned time men were liberated from latex and surgery.

/window seat, please
 
2013-04-30 08:30:09 PM  
So know every time a prepare breakfast for ladyfriends who stay the night, there will be a secret ingredient.
 
2013-04-30 08:30:37 PM  
Void where prohibited.*


*and probably punishable by death in Texas.
 
2013-04-30 08:31:07 PM  

Qellaqan: TomD9938: I wonder who we will have lost.

You know it isn't a zero-sum game.... right?

Girls and women who use this and who get abortions can go onto have children. Kids they maybe wouldn't have had if they were forced to have this one. Kids they in all likelihood will be better equipped to raise, since studies show women tend to make good judgements as to whether or not they can afford a child when they have an abortion. But no, lost kids.

\fed the troll =(


Very nutritious feed though.
 
2013-04-30 08:31:32 PM  
i38.tinypic.com
 
2013-04-30 08:31:48 PM  

PistolGripPump: Now, I'm not trolling nor am I trying to add to the flamewar above, and I do not have data to prove the following statement, so please be gentle.  As someone who works in the STD "industry" and has seen the growth in antibiotic-resistant strains of Gonorrhea as well as new resurgence in Syphilis cases, my only concern with the OTC status of Plan B would be it leading to a decrease in use of other contraceptive methods that prevent the spread of STDs as well as pregnancy.  If young people decide to use Plan B as Plan A and neglect to use other forms of contraception (it feels better without latex barriers, you know what I mean), this could be a very bad thing for our country (but job security for me?).


It's certainly possible, but this is still a step in the right direction, IMO.
 
2013-04-30 08:31:58 PM  
My issue is that a 15 year old could buy plan b but not certain types of cold medicines or decongestants.
 
2013-04-30 08:32:56 PM  

Tumunga: kronicfeld: Tumunga: Nope, the guvment is taking care of your kids now. Didn't you get the memo?

The government not overly regulating people's medical decisions and consumer transactions, nor conducting surveillance over children, is "taking care of your kids now"?

The government overly regulating my kid's snatch.


Your kid's snatch is YOUR territory, right?

Why don't you have a seat, right over there.
 
2013-04-30 08:32:58 PM  

make me some tea: Popcorn Johnny: Aarontology: Because they're two entirely different issues.

How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.

Minors still have a right to have control over their own body and their own future.

What about the parents who force the girl to have the kid against her will?

Sex is gonna happen. It's nature.


Murder and Rape is gonna happen.  it's nature.  See how that doesn't work?
 
2013-04-30 08:33:03 PM  

aevorea: My issue is that a 15 year old could buy plan b but not certain types of cold medicines or decongestants.


that 15 year old can't get high on Plan B.

Blame it on our collective freak-out over drugs.
 
2013-04-30 08:33:55 PM  
Old The Onion article:

"Taco Bell Introduces New 'Morning After' Burrito."

THE CONTRACEPTIMELT

/classic
 
2013-04-30 08:34:23 PM  

rustypouch: So know every time a prepare breakfast for ladyfriends who stay the night, there will be a secret ingredient.


"These eggs taste great. What's your secret?"

"They've been fertilized, but only for one night..."

*wink*
 
2013-04-30 08:34:27 PM  

Infernalist: In short, people still need to wear condoms and be careful who they bump uglies with.


Yes, which is why schools need comprehensive sex ed, not just abstinence-only sex ed.
 
2013-04-30 08:34:30 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.


See, that's just one of those things that parents today have to warm up to.  Your kids have the right to hide anything they're up to from you, including medical conditions and medications they're taking, but you are still on the hook if they get themselves in legal trouble.
 
2013-04-30 08:35:54 PM  

jshine: Rincewind53: Popcorn Johnny: So it's not legal for a 15 year old to consent to sex, but it's just fine if she buys a morning after pill without parental permission? Not really understanding the logic behind that decision.

First, in most states, it's legal under many circumstances.
Second, your analogy is flawed. It's like saying "It's illegal for felons to own guns, therefore felons should be unable to receive medical treatment if they accidentally shoot themselves with a gun."

In that circumstance the gunshot wound should be treated, obviously, but it should also be reported to the police, which is what happens. ...or parents, by analogy.


And in the real world, consensual sexual acts between same-aged teenagers are treated completely different. Different federal and state laws regulate the disclosure of such information, one of which is the dreaded HIPAA. You're talking about a legally mandated reporting event, where a crime against someone has been committed.

Outside of small good old boy towns, prosecutions of like-aged teenagers for statutory rape are rare, and state laws have been changed to reflect the fact that the justice system should not be used to punish people by proxy for their bad parenting and parental revenge. Prosecutors have better things to do with their time.
 
2013-04-30 08:36:25 PM  

Dr. Goldshnoz: You just watch, this is going to cause crime, destroy the innocence of our children, bring the wraith of god upon us, destroy american society, and cause the further advance the women's war on men.

You just watch.


Im not looking forward to the wraith of God.  Hopefully my cleric has enough undead turning skills.
 
2013-04-30 08:36:36 PM  

spman: The average 15 year old today is far too busy playing Yu Gi Oh or Call or Duty or whatever nonsense the kids are into now, to be bothered socializing with females. I know more people today ranging in age from 16-30 that aren't having sex, and couldn't find someone to have sex with even if they wanted to, than in any other time in history, and most of them don't even care and don't want to try, so the whole hormones, human nature, kids are going to be kids argument is a load of bunk.


There are some 15 year olds who are not like the average 15 year old or 16-30 that you know. The fact that you ignore the problem does not make it go away.
 
2013-04-30 08:37:37 PM  
My favorite part about this is that it will probably do more to reduce abortion rates than any "pro-life" activism ever has. And just like that, an entire political movement is gone

[kaisersose.jpg]
 
2013-04-30 08:37:39 PM  

Infernalist: PistolGripPump: Now, I'm not trolling nor am I trying to add to the flamewar above, and I do not have data to prove the following statement, so please be gentle.  As someone who works in the STD "industry" and has seen the growth in antibiotic-resistant strains of Gonorrhea as well as new resurgence in Syphilis cases, my only concern with the OTC status of Plan B would be it leading to a decrease in use of other contraceptive methods that prevent the spread of STDs as well as pregnancy.  If young people decide to use Plan B as Plan A and neglect to use other forms of contraception (it feels better without latex barriers, you know what I mean), this could be a very bad thing for our country (but job security for me?).

This is a solid point.  It bears repeating that this Plan B thing is only 'part' of a responsible approach to your sex life and shouldn't be seen as a silver bullet approach to safe sex.

In short, people still need to wear condoms and be careful who they bump uglies with.


Just to drive the point home, let's include a condom in every Plan B package.  It won't prevent what you're trying to stop, of course, but it would associate prophylaxis with contraception.
 
2013-04-30 08:37:49 PM  

GoldSpider: Popcorn Johnny: How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.

See, that's just one of those things that parents today have to warm up to.  Your kids have the right to hide anything they're up to from you, including medical conditions and medications they're taking, but you are still on the hook if they get themselves in legal trouble.


You sound a lil whiny about the fact that you might have to help your kids when they make stupid mistakes.
 
2013-04-30 08:37:52 PM  
Like most of you, I predict much butthurt from rightwing whackjobs that spout right to life but have no problems with sending the military everywhere to kill folks they don't like.
 
2013-04-30 08:37:53 PM  

Dimensio: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 346x369]

I am utterly disgusted by this news. Only a monstrous sociopath could look upon the above image and not recognize the sight of a precious human life whose willful termination is premeditated murder.


I'm pro-choice. So depending on who that is exactly, I would terminate it post-haste. Well, that's a bit harsh... I would at least be indifferent to its feasibility. If it was me on the other hand, I would just ask if everyone would chill out and allow the precious zygote (that will become me) turn into the mediocre human that I am now.
 
2013-04-30 08:38:06 PM  
i64.photobucket.com


We're all gonna get laid!
 
2013-04-30 08:38:15 PM  

aevorea: My issue is that a 15 year old could buy plan b but not certain types of cold medicines or decongestants.


Or that a school nurse can give your kid Plan B, but not Tylenol.
 
2013-04-30 08:38:31 PM  
Contraceptives are one of the greatest boons humanity ever invented.

Making them available, allows for family planing without abortions.

People can have kids when they are ready, or never. Its up to them.
 
2013-04-30 08:38:45 PM  

aevorea: My issue is that a 15 year old could buy plan b but not certain types of cold medicines or decongestants.


Welp, I guess we can cross that bridge when 15 year olds are buying this in quantity and suddenly trailer parks are blowing up from fires in ghetto teen poontang labs...
 
2013-04-30 08:38:49 PM  

PistolGripPump: Now, I'm not trolling nor am I trying to add to the flamewar above, and I do not have data to prove the following statement, so please be gentle.  As someone who works in the STD "industry" and has seen the growth in antibiotic-resistant strains of Gonorrhea as well as new resurgence in Syphilis cases, my only concern with the OTC status of Plan B would be it leading to a decrease in use of other contraceptive methods that prevent the spread of STDs as well as pregnancy.  If young people decide to use Plan B as Plan A and neglect to use other forms of contraception (it feels better without latex barriers, you know what I mean), this could be a very bad thing for our country (but job security for me?).


That's...that's an extremely good point.
 
2013-04-30 08:38:50 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Infernalist: PistolGripPump: Now, I'm not trolling nor am I trying to add to the flamewar above, and I do not have data to prove the following statement, so please be gentle.  As someone who works in the STD "industry" and has seen the growth in antibiotic-resistant strains of Gonorrhea as well as new resurgence in Syphilis cases, my only concern with the OTC status of Plan B would be it leading to a decrease in use of other contraceptive methods that prevent the spread of STDs as well as pregnancy.  If young people decide to use Plan B as Plan A and neglect to use other forms of contraception (it feels better without latex barriers, you know what I mean), this could be a very bad thing for our country (but job security for me?).

This is a solid point.  It bears repeating that this Plan B thing is only 'part' of a responsible approach to your sex life and shouldn't be seen as a silver bullet approach to safe sex.

In short, people still need to wear condoms and be careful who they bump uglies with.

Just to drive the point home, let's include a condom in every Plan B package.  It won't prevent what you're trying to stop, of course, but it would associate prophylaxis with contraception.


This actually makes sense.  you should be on the phone right now to Trojan headquarters.
 
2013-04-30 08:38:51 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Just to drive the point home, let's include a condom in every Plan B package.  It won't prevent what you're trying to stop, of course, but it would associate prophylaxis with contraception.


That's a great idea.
 
2013-04-30 08:38:58 PM  

jso2897: Tumunga: kronicfeld: Tumunga: Nope, the guvment is taking care of your kids now. Didn't you get the memo?

The government not overly regulating people's medical decisions and consumer transactions, nor conducting surveillance over children, is "taking care of your kids now"?

The government overly regulating my kid's snatch.

Your kid's snatch is YOUR territory, right?

Why don't you have a seat, right over there.


Not entirely mine, but I do have approval to sublet it to you.
 
2013-04-30 08:39:58 PM  
From the product insert:

4 CONTRAINDICATIONS 
Plan B One-Step is contraindicated for use in the case of known or suspected pregnancy.


Yeah, giving that to scared adolescent girls without any oversight sounds like some good science.
 
2013-04-30 08:40:04 PM  

rustypouch: So know every time a prepare breakfast for ladyfriends who stay the night, there will be a secret ingredient.


--Posted from my iPhone
 
2013-04-30 08:40:18 PM  

GoldSpider: aevorea: My issue is that a 15 year old could buy plan b but not certain types of cold medicines or decongestants.

Or that a school nurse can give your kid Plan B, but not Tylenol.


[Citation Needed]

And you know what... Its no worse then making sure kids have access to condoms...

You trolling tit.
 
2013-04-30 08:40:49 PM  

Tumunga: jso2897: Tumunga: kronicfeld: Tumunga: Nope, the guvment is taking care of your kids now. Didn't you get the memo?

The government not overly regulating people's medical decisions and consumer transactions, nor conducting surveillance over children, is "taking care of your kids now"?

The government overly regulating my kid's snatch.

Your kid's snatch is YOUR territory, right?

Why don't you have a seat, right over there.

Not entirely mine, but I do have approval to sublet it to you.


LOL no, I'm sorry, this isn't 1659 and you don't own that preteen flesh.

You don't get to decide who gets in there.
 
2013-04-30 08:40:56 PM  
15 years old?  Damn, and I just bought the domain name for Flintstones' Chewable Plan B.  I was hoping to get the younger demographic.
 
2013-04-30 08:41:02 PM  
OK, libtards, but the next time there's a natural disaster, here's another thing to blame it on.

/besides weather patterns
//or plate tectonics
 
2013-04-30 08:41:05 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: So it's not legal for a 15 year old to consent to sex, but it's just fine if she buys a morning after pill without parental permission? Not really understanding the logic behind that decision.


I'd say it works the same way as a 15-year-old is able to buy condoms.
 
2013-04-30 08:41:07 PM  

aevorea: My issue is that a 15 year old could buy plan b but not certain types of cold medicines or decongestants.


My issue is that I can't buy the good Sudafed without showing 5 forms of ID and submitting a blood and urine sample.
 
2013-04-30 08:41:10 PM  
Now that the FDA has decided, what do opponents call their fallback option?
 
2013-04-30 08:41:25 PM  

Infernalist: I sincerely doubt that a single 15 year old out there will have any issues at all getting this if they truly want it.

They have little issue getting their hands on cigarettes and/or liquor, after all.  I would suspect that the same 18+ crowd that enables their bad habits will be more than happy to help them with this, as well.


i.imgur.com


And now, a CSB from me...

A friend of mine is a pharmacy tech. He told me one day a wild eyed man ran up to the window and breathlessly shouted "I need the plan B! I need the plan B!"

/D.C. v. Heller will be overturned right after Roe v. Wade
//It's over. Get over it.
 
2013-04-30 08:41:38 PM  

Infernalist: You sound a lil whiny about the fact that you might have to help your kids when they make stupid mistakes.


Thanks to the law, I won't even know when they make stupid mistakes until I'm on the hook for a fine or something.

/Glad I don't have kids.
 
2013-04-30 08:42:02 PM  

cchris_39: From the product insert:

4 CONTRAINDICATIONS 
Plan B One-Step is contraindicated for use in the case of known or suspected pregnancy.

Yeah, giving that to scared adolescent girls without any oversight sounds like some good science.


And giving scared white people AR-15's is?
 
2013-04-30 08:42:59 PM  

GoldSpider: Infernalist: You sound a lil whiny about the fact that you might have to help your kids when they make stupid mistakes.

Thanks to the law, I won't even know when they make stupid mistakes until I'm on the hook for a fine or something.

/Glad I don't have kids.


Trust me, we all are too.

/very glad.
 
2013-04-30 08:43:19 PM  

GoldSpider: Infernalist: You sound a lil whiny about the fact that you might have to help your kids when they make stupid mistakes.

Thanks to the law, I won't even know when they make stupid mistakes until I'm on the hook for a fine or something.

/Glad I don't have kids.


lol somehow I don't think you're ever going to have to worry about that lil problem, boyo.
 
2013-04-30 08:43:28 PM  

Raharu: And you know what... Its no worse then making sure kids have access to condoms...


Except a condom isn't a drug.
 
2013-04-30 08:43:54 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Good.

In the interests of both disclosure and giving someone something to be butthurt about, I will say that I am morally opposed to abortion, but there are a few reasons why I say that I think this is a good thing:

1) It's none of my business.
2) There are two things that I am sure of-there is a God, and I'm not him. I have no right to judge.
3) Since this prevents implantation, it's not strictly speaking abortion.


3 out of 4 ain't bad
 
2013-04-30 08:43:55 PM  
Neat
 
2013-04-30 08:44:12 PM  
And yet Sudafed is kept behind the counter and I need an ID to buy it.
 
2013-04-30 08:44:29 PM  

basemetal: Hell yeah, now you can roofie them at night and Plan B them in the morning.


images.crystalscomments.com
 
2013-04-30 08:44:30 PM  

GoldSpider: Popcorn Johnny: How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.

See, that's just one of those things that parents today have to warm up to.  Your kids have the right to hide anything they're up to from you, including medical conditions and medications they're taking, but you are still on the hook if they get themselves in legal trouble.


Well, no.  Tattoos and piercings generally require parental consent, for instance.  Driver's learning permit too, in many States.

It's no skin off my ass if your kid gets a tat or a DL. But society has a strong interest in minimizing teen pregnancies.  Parental consent does not stand in its way, but refusal does.  So refusal has to go.
 
2013-04-30 08:44:33 PM  

bugontherug: ontariolightning: Aboot time Americans. Plan B has no age limit in Canada and sold over the counter / on the shelves. This is the stuff that can help prevent future abortions. Great day for the

So a thirteen year old in Canada can just walk up to the pharmacy counter and buy Plan B, no questions asked?


You are seriously over thinking this, so I am going to ask you a simple question:  Why would a thirteen year old girl (I assume you mean girl) buy plan B?

The answer is very simple. She buys plan B because she is sexually a active. If a thirteen year old is sexually active, buying plan B is the very least of her problems. And if your daughter is having sex at thirteen years old, you have either monumentally failed as a parent or you are a child molester. Either way, plan B is the very least of that girl's
 
2013-04-30 08:44:36 PM  
There was a story on this a couple weeks ago that had some anecdotal reports from a pharmacy in Seattle and random women. The pharmacist said they'd order the thing and it'd just expire before anyone bought it. Women recoiled at the $40-50 price.
 
2013-04-30 08:44:38 PM  

aevorea: My issue is that a 15 year old could buy plan b but not certain types of cold medicines or decongestants.


Yeah, try buying more than one box of sudafed at a time. Farking meth cookers.
 
2013-04-30 08:44:52 PM  
Nice overpopulation will be a thing of the past in the next couple of decades
 
2013-04-30 08:45:17 PM  
What is the farking deal with people and sudafed?  Seriously?  Is it like liquid gold or something?  Whine whine whine.


Blame the white trash meth-heads for your having to sign a legal document in order to get Sudafed.  for fark's sake.
 
2013-04-30 08:45:22 PM  

douchebag/hater: And yet Sudafed is kept behind the counter and I need an ID to buy it.


Well you're welcome to freebase the plan B estrogen compounds, I guess.
 
2013-04-30 08:45:51 PM  

Raharu: Contraceptives are one of the greatest boons humanity ever invented.

Making them available, allows for family planing without abortions.

People can have kids when they are ready, or never. Its up to them.


Yes, and oppressing their use is a brand of evil.
 
2013-04-30 08:46:11 PM  

GoldSpider: Raharu: And you know what... Its no worse then making sure kids have access to condoms...

Except a condom isn't a drug.


Except most have spermicide. And there are Latex allergies. Which means they are MORE unsafe than Plan B, which is essentially hormones.

So am I right in saying your argument kinda disappeared?
 
2013-04-30 08:46:41 PM  

louiedog: Now that the FDA has decided, what do opponents call their fallback option?


Plan DOA?
 
2013-04-30 08:46:48 PM  

Thisbymaster: make me some tea: Popcorn Johnny: Aarontology: Because they're two entirely different issues.

How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.

Minors still have a right to have control over their own body and their own future.

What about the parents who force the girl to have the kid against her will?

Sex is gonna happen. It's nature.

Murder and Rape is gonna happen.  it's nature.  See how that doesn't work?


How is it people do not understand the concept of consent?
 
2013-04-30 08:46:53 PM  

Wessoman: cchris_39: From the product insert:

4 CONTRAINDICATIONS 
Plan B One-Step is contraindicated for use in the case of known or suspected pregnancy.

Yeah, giving that to scared adolescent girls without any oversight sounds like some good science.

And giving scared white people AR-15's is?


Do you know what a 'red herring' is?
 
2013-04-30 08:47:02 PM  

GoldSpider: Popcorn Johnny: How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.

See, that's just one of those things that parents today have to warm up to.  Your kids have the right to hide anything they're up to from you, including medical conditions and medications they're taking, but you are still on the hook if they get themselves in legal trouble.


If my now 19 year old daughter had gotten pregnant at 15,  could I have insisted (since it would have been me paying the freight for a new baby) on an abortion or adoption?

I never looked into it... I just told her she'd be moving to her mothers if she got pregnant.
 
2013-04-30 08:47:11 PM  

GoldSpider: Raharu: And you know what... Its no worse then making sure kids have access to condoms...

Except a condom isn't a drug.


That's what your going with?
 
2013-04-30 08:47:13 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: aevorea: My issue is that a 15 year old could buy plan b but not certain types of cold medicines or decongestants.

My issue is that I can't buy the good Sudafed without showing 5 forms of ID and submitting a blood and urine sample.


douchebag/hater: And yet Sudafed is kept behind the counter and I need an ID to buy it.


Hey Fjornir, are you a wizard? :-)
 
2013-04-30 08:47:34 PM  

GoldSpider: Or that a school nurse can give your kid Plan B, but not Tylenol.


i.imgur.com

Do you know I know you have no idea what a school nurse can do?

School Nurses can't even give your kid neosporin without two things: A Doctor's standing order on file, and a parental permission slip either signed or obtained over the phone.

So no. They won't be handing out Plan B in bulk.
 
2013-04-30 08:47:46 PM  

GoldSpider: aevorea: My issue is that a 15 year old could buy plan b but not certain types of cold medicines or decongestants.

Or that a school nurse can give your kid Plan B, but not Tylenol.


School nurses are not permitted to dispense any medication at all without parental consent.
 
2013-04-30 08:48:18 PM  

cchris_39: From the product insert:

4 CONTRAINDICATIONS 
Plan B One-Step is contraindicated for use in the case of known or suspected pregnancy.

Yeah, giving that to scared adolescent girls without any oversight sounds like some good science.


"Contraindicated" does not mean "dangerous."  It means, "Do not waste your money on Plan B if you're already pregnant, dumbass!"
 
2013-04-30 08:48:39 PM  

TheOnion: Would you rather see a theoretical and fantasy gain of the parental knowledge


no, he would rather see those sluts get their comeuppance
 
2013-04-30 08:48:46 PM  

Mistymtnhop: GoldSpider: aevorea: My issue is that a 15 year old could buy plan b but not certain types of cold medicines or decongestants.

Or that a school nurse can give your kid Plan B, but not Tylenol.

School nurses are not permitted to dispense any medication at all without parental consent.


And students caught with a cough drop are in trouble.

as they should be.
 
2013-04-30 08:48:56 PM  
Obligatory Patton Oswalt story. (NSFW, skip to 1:40ish)
 
2013-04-30 08:49:26 PM  

make me some tea: Thisbymaster: make me some tea: Popcorn Johnny: Aarontology: Because they're two entirely different issues.

How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.

Minors still have a right to have control over their own body and their own future.

What about the parents who force the girl to have the kid against her will?

Sex is gonna happen. It's nature.

Murder and Rape is gonna happen.  it's nature.  See how that doesn't work?

How is it people do not understand the concept of consent?


It's got nothing to do with 'consent' and everything to do with the concept of 'sin'.  Sex is bad and people should only have it in the dark, quietly and neither party should enjoy it.

anything that enables people(ESPECIALLY WOMEN) to have sex safely is an evil tool of Satan and liberals.

You see, to them, a baby isn't a miracle of life and something to celebrate and carefully plan.  A baby is a PUNISHMENT for having sex outside of marriage.  "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time!"

That's what has them so riled up.  Nothing more or less than that.
 
2013-04-30 08:49:36 PM  

Infernalist: Tumunga: jso2897: Tumunga: kronicfeld: Tumunga: Nope, the guvment is taking care of your kids now. Didn't you get the memo?

The government not overly regulating people's medical decisions and consumer transactions, nor conducting surveillance over children, is "taking care of your kids now"?

The government overly regulating my kid's snatch.

Your kid's snatch is YOUR territory, right?

Why don't you have a seat, right over there.

Not entirely mine, but I do have approval to sublet it to you.

LOL no, I'm sorry, this isn't 1659 and you don't own that preteen flesh.

You don't get to decide who gets in there.


But, if I keep it plugged it up with one of them there toys from the Walmart health section, ain't nobody gonna get in there.
 
2013-04-30 08:50:06 PM  

jshine: Wessoman: cchris_39: From the product insert:

4 CONTRAINDICATIONS 
Plan B One-Step is contraindicated for use in the case of known or suspected pregnancy.

Yeah, giving that to scared adolescent girls without any oversight sounds like some good science.

And giving scared white people AR-15's is?

Do you know what a 'red herring' is?


Do you know what "Contraindicated" means? Besides, I was trying to troll.

SHEESH. Tough crowd.
 
2013-04-30 08:51:01 PM  

jcooli09: Raharu: Contraceptives are one of the greatest boons humanity ever invented.

Making them available, allows for family planing without abortions.

People can have kids when they are ready, or never. Its up to them.

Yes, and oppressing their use is a  brand of evil.

SO MUCH ------------------------------>^^THIS^^
 
2013-04-30 08:51:06 PM  

Tumunga: But, if I keep it plugged it up with one of them there toys from the Walmart health section, ain't nobody gonna get in there.


img243.imageshack.us
Is this why you're not allowed to be in 100 feet of a school anymore?
 
2013-04-30 08:51:15 PM  

Tumunga: Infernalist: Tumunga: jso2897: Tumunga: kronicfeld: Tumunga: Nope, the guvment is taking care of your kids now. Didn't you get the memo?

The government not overly regulating people's medical decisions and consumer transactions, nor conducting surveillance over children, is "taking care of your kids now"?

The government overly regulating my kid's snatch.

Your kid's snatch is YOUR territory, right?

Why don't you have a seat, right over there.

Not entirely mine, but I do have approval to sublet it to you.

LOL no, I'm sorry, this isn't 1659 and you don't own that preteen flesh.

You don't get to decide who gets in there.

But, if I keep it plugged it up with one of them there toys from the Walmart health section, ain't nobody gonna get in there.


lol yeah, shoulda guessed you weren't serious.
 
2013-04-30 08:51:34 PM  
So, if a chick pulls a gang-bang-train, how many pills should she take?
 
2013-04-30 08:52:04 PM  

Amos Quito: So, if a chick pulls a gang-bang-train, how many pills should she take?


Planning Friday's entertainment?
 
2013-04-30 08:52:19 PM  
Or that a school nurse can give your kid Plan B, but not Tylenol.

Just once, I wish I could actually say what I actually think about "people" like you without getting banned from Fark.
 
2013-04-30 08:52:39 PM  
I can already see the arguments of how girls are now whores with this pill.

I use condoms. With their logic, I'm a big whore as well.
 
2013-04-30 08:53:46 PM  

Jackson Herring: Or that a school nurse can give your kid Plan B, but not Tylenol.

Just once, I wish I could actually say what I actually think about "people" like you without getting banned from Fark.


It's only 24 hours. LET THE HATE FLOW THROUGH YOU!
 
2013-04-30 08:53:49 PM  

WizardofToast: I can already see the arguments of how girls are now whores with this pill.

I use condoms. With their logic, I'm a big whore as well.


Hell, I'm a big ol' man-whore.  Of course, guys who screw around a lot are idolized and held up as 'manly' and 'virile'.  Girls who do it are treated like shiat and looked down upon.

Yes, I'm a guy.  No, I don't give a shiat.  Tired of the double-standards.
 
2013-04-30 08:54:48 PM  

Amos Quito: So, if a chick pulls a gang-bang-train, how many pills should she take?


It prevents implantation, so even if everybody on the entire Football Team coats her cervix with showstopping daubers, one is all she will need.

Pretty neat, huh?
 
2013-04-30 08:54:52 PM  
There was a time a single aspirin would prevent teen pregnancy.
 
2013-04-30 08:55:22 PM  

Amos Quito: So, if a chick pulls a gang-bang-train, how many pills should she take?


Yes.
 
2013-04-30 08:55:37 PM  

PistolGripPump: Now, I'm not trolling nor am I trying to add to the flamewar above, and I do not have data to prove the following statement, so please be gentle.  As someone who works in the STD "industry" and has seen the growth in antibiotic-resistant strains of Gonorrhea as well as new resurgence in Syphilis cases, my only concern with the OTC status of Plan B would be it leading to a decrease in use of other contraceptive methods that prevent the spread of STDs as well as pregnancy.  If young people decide to use Plan B as Plan A and neglect to use other forms of contraception (it feels better without latex barriers, you know what I mean), this could be a very bad thing for our country (but job security for me?).


Kidding, kinda, you could contend that the OTC Plan B is part of a plan to decrease the undereducated population. 1) less babies and 2) more spread of a disease until, in the long run like with TB, it becomes impossible to treat and causes sterilization of those who contract it, like chlamydia. (And, therefore, less babies)

I imagine somewhere is a room of rich old white men who are in agreement that there are only so many resources, but far too many people. The only answer is to let the bottom part of the Bell Curve dispose of itself. Smoking, reckless behavior, inadequate medical care access, etc...

With that theory, and my tinfoil hat tipped at a rakish angle, it somehow makes sense...
 
2013-04-30 08:56:34 PM  

amquelbettamin: There was a time a single aspirin would prevent teen pregnancy.


A few punches in the stomach or a tumble down the stairs worked, too.

I liked the good old days.
 
2013-04-30 08:56:34 PM  
why is this a big deal?
 
2013-04-30 08:56:44 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: So it's not legal for a 15 year old to consent to sex, but it's just fine if she buys a morning after pill without parental permission? Not really understanding the logic behind that decision.


And she better not smoke after sex!
 
2013-04-30 08:56:56 PM  
I didn't read thread, but I'm confused as to how someone "proves" they're 15 to some random person at the check-out.
It sounds like it will just be the cashier's judgement, which means it won't be handed out to anyone without a driver's license.
 
2013-04-30 08:56:59 PM  
This is going to confuse the heck out of the teen age anchor baby mommas
 
2013-04-30 08:57:03 PM  

Weaver95: why is this a big deal?


Because JESUS
 
2013-04-30 08:57:10 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: cchris_39: From the product insert:

4 CONTRAINDICATIONS 
Plan B One-Step is contraindicated for use in the case of known or suspected pregnancy.

Yeah, giving that to scared adolescent girls without any oversight sounds like some good science.

"Contraindicated" does not mean "dangerous."  It means, "Do not waste your money on Plan B if you're already pregnant, dumbass!"


No, you're thinking of "ineffective".  Contraindicated means increased risk of complications, to what degree in this case I freely admit I don't know, but would be interested if anyone does.
 
2013-04-30 08:57:25 PM  

WizardofToast: I can already see the arguments of how girls are now whores with this pill.

I use condoms. With their logic, I'm a big whore as well.


Don't be silly, only the chattel can be sluts.
 
2013-04-30 08:57:45 PM  

19 Kilo: ghetto teen poontang lab


I haven't checked, but there has to be a website where people can make their own concert T-shirts with these awesome band names.
 
2013-04-30 08:57:47 PM  

Infernalist: Weaver95: why is this a big deal?

Because JESUS


I didn't see any mention of this in the new testament.
 
2013-04-30 08:57:50 PM  

Igor Jakovsky: Dr. Goldshnoz: You just watch, this is going to cause crime, destroy the innocence of our children, bring the wraith of god upon us, destroy american society, and cause the further advance the women's war on men.

You just watch.

Im not looking forward to the wraith of God.  Hopefully my cleric has enough undead turning skills.


I can handle a wraith.

*takes off earrings*
 
2013-04-30 08:57:52 PM  

Descartes: Popcorn Johnny: So it's not legal for a 15 year old to consent to sex, but it's just fine if she buys a morning after pill without parental permission? Not really understanding the logic behind that decision.

And she better not smoke after sex!


If she does, she's doing it way too fast
 
2013-04-30 08:58:18 PM  

Wessoman: Amos Quito: So, if a chick pulls a gang-bang-train, how many pills should she take?

It prevents implantation, so even if everybody on the entire Football Team coats her cervix with showstopping daubers, one is all she will need.


Plan B include penicillin?
 
2013-04-30 08:58:49 PM  

Weaver95: Infernalist: Weaver95: why is this a big deal?

Because JESUS

I didn't see any mention of this in the new testament.


Well, you don't see anything in the New Testament about immigrants, gays or evolution, but that doesn't stop them from freaking on those subjects, either.
 
2013-04-30 08:59:13 PM  

douchebag/hater: And yet Sudafed is kept behind the counter and I need an ID to buy it.


If it turns out that Plan B can be used to make meth, no doubt it will be handled similarly. But you knew that.
 
2013-04-30 08:59:31 PM  

Infernalist: make me some tea: Thisbymaster: make me some tea: Popcorn Johnny: Aarontology: Because they're two entirely different issues.

How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.

Minors still have a right to have control over their own body and their own future.

What about the parents who force the girl to have the kid against her will?

Sex is gonna happen. It's nature.

Murder and Rape is gonna happen.  it's nature.  See how that doesn't work?

How is it people do not understand the concept of consent?

It's got nothing to do with 'consent' and everything to do with the concept of 'sin'.  Sex is bad and people should only have it in the dark, quietly and neither party should enjoy it.

anything that enables people(ESPECIALLY WOMEN) to have sex safely is an evil tool of Satan and liberals.

You see, to them, a baby isn't a miracle of life and something to celebrate and carefully plan.  A baby is a PUNISHMENT for having sex outside of marriage.  "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time!"

That's what has them so riled up.  Nothing more or less than that.


That does make sense, actually.

I was watching the debate on PBS Newshour over this issue tonight, the crazyeyes antiabortion lady was using the Philly abortion doctor trial as an excuse to advocate putting limitations on abortion clinics all over the country.

By her logic, if a restaurant makes their patrons sick, chicken and beef should be banned from restaurants in the entire city because they might contain pathogens and the preparers might not be following health codes, and they all should have to close by 6pm and they can't advertise because it's a public health risk!!!

Also, it's amazing how right-wingers hate government regulation unless it's an issue they feel strongly about.
 
2013-04-30 08:59:31 PM  

cchris_39: No, you're thinking of "ineffective".  Contraindicated means increased risk of complications, to what degree in this case I freely admit I don't know, but would be interested if anyone does.


Actually, it says that because the FDA Considers it to be a Catagory X drug for Pregnancy, meaning it has either confirmed or has a high suspicion of causing either miscarriages or teratogenic effects to the developing embryo/fetus.
 
2013-04-30 08:59:51 PM  

Weaver95: Infernalist: Weaver95: why is this a big deal?

Because JESUS

I didn't see any mention of this in the new testament.


Dude, jesus talked about abortions ALL the time...

That was his BIG thing... Abortions and homo sex...
 
2013-04-30 08:59:52 PM  

megarian: Exactly! This is why I think women who naturally have spontaneous miscarriages should be tried on charges of manslaughter. People (well, women) should do everything they can to make the womb a scientifically perfect environment for any potentially potential fertilized egg irregardless of weather or not they know they are pregnant. Because who knows?!? That egg that naturally was rejected could have been that one in 10^23 chance that the PERSON every egg is could have saved the world.


Just miscarriages? Man, you're not thinking big enough. Just think about every egg which goes to waste each time a woman has her period? You're talking about each woman being responsible for  dozens of lives being lost!
 
2013-04-30 08:59:53 PM  
I see a farkton of men arguing about this in every thread.

Hey, I've got a crazy idea: How about if everybody who isn't capable of bearing children shut the fark up about what you think someone else should do in the areas of birth control and pregnancy? If you can't do it, you don't get to have an opinion, per the Basic Rule of Life #7: Mind Your Own Farking Business.
 
2013-04-30 08:59:58 PM  

Weaver95: why is this a big deal?


The slippery slope got slipperier.
 
2013-04-30 09:00:20 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: fusillade762: Just out of curiosity: how does a 15-year-old prove their age?

I'm guessing school ID cards. A lot of school districts put the DOB on them in addition to the student's picture.


My guess is this bill brings guilt/parental involvement into it by making kids have to ask where the hell their birth certificate is so they can get a non-driver's ID. I had one at 15 or so because it was required for a school trip out of state. ID issued by the school, even a college, might not have DOB, and some fundie might consider keeping it off in some states "for the children." My guess is that most places will only accept "state or federally issued" ID.
 
2013-04-30 09:00:32 PM  
dmax:
I imagine somewhere is a room of rich old white men who are in agreement that there are only so many resources, but far too many people. The only answer is to let the bottom part of the Bell Curve dispose of itself. Smoking, reckless behavior, inadequate medical care access, etc...

Why would they want less poor, uneducated people? They're the ones that toil in their factories (sometimes illegally) and vote their puppets into power.
The intelligentsia is the enemy, not the working poor.
 
2013-04-30 09:00:37 PM  

Weaver95: Infernalist: Weaver95: why is this a big deal?

Because JESUS

I didn't see any mention of this in the new testament.


In the book of Matthew, Jesus clearly defines an embryo as a person with rights. Look it up!!!
 
2013-04-30 09:00:39 PM  

Infernalist: Weaver95: Infernalist: Weaver95: why is this a big deal?

Because JESUS

I didn't see any mention of this in the new testament.

Well, you don't see anything in the New Testament about immigrants, gays or evolution, but that doesn't stop them from freaking on those subjects, either.


true.  the evangelicals don't actually worship the christian god(s), they follow a much older series of deities.  blood, death, greed...we've seen those gods before.
 
2013-04-30 09:01:29 PM  

LibertyHiller: I see a farkton of men arguing about this in every thread.

Hey, I've got a crazy idea: How about if everybody who isn't capable of bearing children shut the fark up about what you think someone else should do in the areas of birth control and pregnancy? If you can't do it, you don't get to have an opinion, per the Basic Rule of Life #7: Mind Your Own Farking Business.


Hey, some of my best friends are women.  promiscuous women at that.
 
2013-04-30 09:02:06 PM  

Amos Quito: So, if a chick pulls a gang-bang-train, how many pills should she take?


To get her in the mood before the camera starts rolling or to prevent a pregnancy afterward?
 
2013-04-30 09:02:26 PM  

Infernalist: LibertyHiller: I see a farkton of men arguing about this in every thread.

Hey, I've got a crazy idea: How about if everybody who isn't capable of bearing children shut the fark up about what you think someone else should do in the areas of birth control and pregnancy? If you can't do it, you don't get to have an opinion, per the Basic Rule of Life #7: Mind Your Own Farking Business.

Hey, some of my best friends are women.  promiscuous women at that.


so you're saying I got a shot with some of 'em?
 
2013-04-30 09:02:33 PM  

Weaver95: Infernalist: Weaver95: Infernalist: Weaver95: why is this a big deal?

Because JESUS

I didn't see any mention of this in the new testament.

Well, you don't see anything in the New Testament about immigrants, gays or evolution, but that doesn't stop them from freaking on those subjects, either.

true.  the evangelicals don't actually worship the christian god(s), they follow a much older series of deities.  blood, death, greed...we've seen those gods before.


Best not to talk about it too loudly, people will freak out.
 
2013-04-30 09:02:38 PM  
Dogs bark - but the caravan moves on.
You can be on the wrong side of history if you want - history doesn't care.
 
2013-04-30 09:02:42 PM  

GoldSpider: aevorea: My issue is that a 15 year old could buy plan b but not certain types of cold medicines or decongestants.

Or that a school nurse can give your kid Plan B, but not Tylenol.


Tylenol should be illegal or proscription only. Its extremely dangerous if over used
 
2013-04-30 09:02:46 PM  
time to remind a few people in here...

www.inquisitr.com
 
2013-04-30 09:03:11 PM  

Raharu: Weaver95: Infernalist: Weaver95: why is this a big deal?

Because JESUS

I didn't see any mention of this in the new testament.

Dude, jesus talked about abortions ALL the time...

That was his BIG thing... Abortions and homo sex...


And rock and roll. He hated rock and roll.
 
2013-04-30 09:03:18 PM  
PRINTABLE COUPONS!!!


No, I joke, but I'm actually a bit uneasy about this issue.

/Need to give it more thought
 
2013-04-30 09:03:21 PM  
This pill should be sold with a box of condoms.
 
2013-04-30 09:03:36 PM  

UsikFark: My guess is that most places will only accept "state or federally issued" ID.


Yeah and it is hell to buy beer when your not old enough too
 
2013-04-30 09:03:47 PM  

make me some tea: Weaver95: Infernalist: Weaver95: why is this a big deal?

Because JESUS

I didn't see any mention of this in the new testament.

In the book of Matthew, Jesus clearly defines an embryo as a person with rights. Study it out!!!


ftfy
 
2013-04-30 09:03:52 PM  

Infernalist: Weaver95: Infernalist: Weaver95: Infernalist: Weaver95: why is this a big deal?

Because JESUS

I didn't see any mention of this in the new testament.

Well, you don't see anything in the New Testament about immigrants, gays or evolution, but that doesn't stop them from freaking on those subjects, either.

true.  the evangelicals don't actually worship the christian god(s), they follow a much older series of deities.  blood, death, greed...we've seen those gods before.

Best not to talk about it too loudly, people will freak out.


I find the subject fascinating.  I've been trying to classify what modern evangelicals (and US 'christians') actually believe...and none of their politics match up with what Christ demanded of his followers.
 
2013-04-30 09:03:53 PM  

LibertyHiller: I see a farkton of men arguing about this in every thread.

Hey, I've got a crazy idea: How about if everybody who isn't capable of bearing children shut the fark up about what you think someone else should do in the areas of birth control and pregnancy? If you can't do it, you don't get to have an opinion, per the Basic Rule of Life #7: Mind Your Own Farking Business.


Oh, you're looking for Preparation H. It's in Aisle 7, not here in the Plan B section.
 
2013-04-30 09:03:57 PM  

Weaver95: Infernalist: LibertyHiller: I see a farkton of men arguing about this in every thread.

Hey, I've got a crazy idea: How about if everybody who isn't capable of bearing children shut the fark up about what you think someone else should do in the areas of birth control and pregnancy? If you can't do it, you don't get to have an opinion, per the Basic Rule of Life #7: Mind Your Own Farking Business.

Hey, some of my best friends are women.  promiscuous women at that.

so you're saying I got a shot with some of 'em?

static.gigwise.com
 
2013-04-30 09:04:44 PM  
this is less disgusting than abortion, but a laissez faire attitude towards public health issues is as irresponsible as allowing banking to say "whatever I do what I want"

parents should be involved in the health of their children. "kids will be kids" is not parenting, and never has been. if boys act in an irresponsible way, you intervene. why shouldn't the same apply too girls? somehow, when sex is involved, both the fundies and the libtards get crazy unrealistic opinions... it's frustrating. if we can stop guns and violent video games going directly to kids, why not drugs with obvious areas where parents should be informed?

I'm sorry. just because you disagree with some (backwards) parents doesn't mean your way is right either.

I do know girls who got pregnant in high school and had their babies, so all the screeching about "ruined for life" is as equally damning from the moralist fundies as from the child killing left.

I appreciate the administration trying to have a measured response to the courts, however. bravo Obama.

/I like radical fundies as much as I like radical abortionists.
 
2013-04-30 09:05:01 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-30 09:05:05 PM  

cchris_39: BarkingUnicorn: cchris_39: From the product insert:

4 CONTRAINDICATIONS 
Plan B One-Step is contraindicated for use in the case of known or suspected pregnancy.

Yeah, giving that to scared adolescent girls without any oversight sounds like some good science.

"Contraindicated" does not mean "dangerous."  It means, "Do not waste your money on Plan B if you're already pregnant, dumbass!"

No, you're thinking of "ineffective".  Contraindicated means increased risk of complications, to what degree in this case I freely admit I don't know, but would be interested if anyone does.


"Contraindication" is simply a reason to withhold a medicine, test, or procedure.  "Indication" is a valid reason to provide it.

"May cause harm" is a contraindication.
"Can't do any good" is another.
 
2013-04-30 09:05:14 PM  

God-is-a-Taco: dmax:
I imagine somewhere is a room of rich old white men who are in agreement that there are only so many resources, but far too many people. The only answer is to let the bottom part of the Bell Curve dispose of itself. Smoking, reckless behavior, inadequate medical care access, etc...

Why would they want less poor, uneducated people? They're the ones that toil in their factories (sometimes illegally) and vote their puppets into power.
The intelligentsia is the enemy, not the working poor.


Go back to the starting contention: not enough resources in the world. There will always be class distinctions, but too many starving people creates a "need" that an open democratic society diverts its resources to address. Republicans are frank about cutting off resources, regardless of consequences. Democrats aren't overt about it - but this is a topic that transcends politics: there is only room on the lifeboat for a certain number of people, and the extras need to be pushed off if you take the long view.
 
2013-04-30 09:05:26 PM  

LibertyHiller: I see a farkton of men arguing about this in every thread.

Hey, I've got a crazy idea: How about if everybody who isn't capable of bearing children shut the fark up about what you think someone else should do in the areas of birth control and pregnancy? If you can't do it, you don't get to have an opinion, per the Basic Rule of Life #7: Mind Your Own Farking Business.


Sure..just as soon as those who are capable of bearing take full financial responsibility of said children. However as soon as their crotch fruits start costing the rest of society........
 
2013-04-30 09:05:27 PM  

Rincewind53: Popcorn Johnny: So it's not legal for a 15 year old to consent to sex, but it's just fine if she buys a morning after pill without parental permission? Not really understanding the logic behind that decision.

First, in most states, it's legal under many circumstances.
Second, your analogy is flawed. It's like saying "It's illegal for felons to own guns, therefore felons should be unable to receive medical treatment if they accidentally shoot themselves with a gun."


Hey, get your fancy logic out of this thread. Go take it to the sports tab.
 
2013-04-30 09:05:56 PM  

Weaver95: Infernalist: Weaver95: Infernalist: Weaver95: Infernalist: Weaver95: why is this a big deal?

Because JESUS

I didn't see any mention of this in the new testament.

Well, you don't see anything in the New Testament about immigrants, gays or evolution, but that doesn't stop them from freaking on those subjects, either.

true.  the evangelicals don't actually worship the christian god(s), they follow a much older series of deities.  blood, death, greed...we've seen those gods before.

Best not to talk about it too loudly, people will freak out.

I find the subject fascinating.  I've been trying to classify what modern evangelicals (and US 'christians') actually believe...and none of their politics match up with what Christ demanded of his followers.


Ever since the 'prosperity doctrine' became popular, it's basically boiled down to 'pray your way to wealth'.

That's all they're about anymore.  Praying for personal prosperity and praying against things like the gays and abortion and the like.

They worship Mammon, but they don't know it yet.
 
2013-04-30 09:05:58 PM  

hardinparamedic: cchris_39: No, you're thinking of "ineffective".  Contraindicated means increased risk of complications, to what degree in this case I freely admit I don't know, but would be interested if anyone does.

Actually, it says that because the FDA Considers it to be a Catagory X drug for Pregnancy, meaning it has either confirmed or has a high suspicion of causing either miscarriages or teratogenic effects to the developing embryo/fetus.


So more of a "if you want the baby don't take this" type of warning.  Thanks, good reasonable response.
 
2013-04-30 09:05:58 PM  

make me some tea: Weaver95: Infernalist: Weaver95: why is this a big deal?

Because JESUS

I didn't see any mention of this in the new testament.

In the book of Matthew, Jesus clearly defines an embryo as a person with rights. Look it up Study it out!!!


Fixed.
 
2013-04-30 09:06:19 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Aarontology: Because they're two entirely different issues.

How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.


Nope. They dont. You have a right to keep a watchfull eye on your child. If you fail in that respect its your own damn fault.

birth control should be a human right in the same vein as food and water
 
2013-04-30 09:06:35 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: TheOnion: So are you in favor of banning the sale of contraception or the morning after pill to 15 year olds in that jurisdiction?

Surely, you must agree that would cause more problems rather than solving them in terms of unplanned pregnancy and STD transmission, correct?

If it was up to me, we would have one age of consent for the entire country. Seems silly that what you do in one state makes you a rapist in another. That said, I don't agree with girls under the age of consent being able to purchase this without their parents knowledge. Maybe it should be that they don't need parental permission, but the parents are notified of the purchase after the fact.


What does the age of consent have to do with the purchase of a drug that's safe enough to be dispensed OTC?
 
2013-04-30 09:06:49 PM  

legion_of_doo: this is less disgusting than abortion, but a laissez faire attitude towards public health issues is as irresponsible as allowing banking to say "whatever I do what I want"

parents should be involved in the health of their children. "kids will be kids" is not parenting, and never has been. if boys act in an irresponsible way, you intervene. why shouldn't the same apply too girls? somehow, when sex is involved, both the fundies and the libtards get crazy unrealistic opinions... it's frustrating. if we can stop guns and violent video games going directly to kids, why not drugs with obvious areas where parents should be informed?

I'm sorry. just because you disagree with some (backwards) parents doesn't mean your way is right either.

I do know girls who got pregnant in high school and had their babies, so all the screeching about "ruined for life" is as equally damning from the moralist fundies as from the child killing left.

I appreciate the administration trying to have a measured response to the courts, however. bravo Obama.

/I like radical fundies as much as I like radical abortionists.


What exactly is a radical abortionist?
 
2013-04-30 09:07:05 PM  

make me some tea: it's amazing how right-wingers hate government regulation unless it's an issue they feel strongly about.


Those are big government social conservatives.
 
2013-04-30 09:07:32 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Popcorn Johnny: Aarontology: Because they're two entirely different issues.

How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.

Nope. They dont. You have a right to keep a watchfull eye on your child. If you fail in that respect its your own damn fault.

birth control should be a human right in the same vein as food and water

 
2013-04-30 09:07:47 PM  

TheWhoppah: This pill should be sold with a box of condoms.


Drug store condoms cost more than gold by weight.

Rivetman1.0: UsikFark: My guess is that most places will only accept "state or federally issued" ID.

Yeah and it is hell to buy beer when your not old enough too


If you're savvy, you're savvy. I saw an Asian guy get turned down (when the Washington LCB still ran the single-purpose stores) because he was consulting with his girl in front of the big window (about a dozen feet from the cashier) before he went in. He shows his ID, and the cashier says "I can't sell to you until I see her id." Turns out she lost it and she was totally over 21, but he didn't get the booze that time.
 
2013-04-30 09:07:50 PM  

Weaver95: Infernalist: LibertyHiller: I see a farkton of men arguing about this in every thread.

Hey, I've got a crazy idea: How about if everybody who isn't capable of bearing children shut the fark up about what you think someone else should do in the areas of birth control and pregnancy? If you can't do it, you don't get to have an opinion, per the Basic Rule of Life #7: Mind Your Own Farking Business.

Hey, some of my best friends are women.  promiscuous women at that.

so you're saying I got a shot with some of 'em?


If you're with some of them, you should get a shot.
 
2013-04-30 09:08:06 PM  

Weaver95: Infernalist: Weaver95: why is this a big deal?

Because JESUS

I didn't see any mention of this in the new testament.



What, you never heard of the Plan-Beatitudes?

"Blessed are the whores, for they shall be contracepted".
 
2013-04-30 09:08:41 PM  
Adoptable babies are going to be hard to come by in the near future.
I see this blowing gaskets to the power of X with the bible thumper crowd.
 
2013-04-30 09:08:53 PM  

Infernalist: legion_of_doo: this is less disgusting than abortion, but a laissez faire attitude towards public health issues is as irresponsible as allowing banking to say "whatever I do what I want"

parents should be involved in the health of their children. "kids will be kids" is not parenting, and never has been. if boys act in an irresponsible way, you intervene. why shouldn't the same apply too girls? somehow, when sex is involved, both the fundies and the libtards get crazy unrealistic opinions... it's frustrating. if we can stop guns and violent video games going directly to kids, why not drugs with obvious areas where parents should be informed?

I'm sorry. just because you disagree with some (backwards) parents doesn't mean your way is right either.

I do know girls who got pregnant in high school and had their babies, so all the screeching about "ruined for life" is as equally damning from the moralist fundies as from the child killing left.

I appreciate the administration trying to have a measured response to the courts, however. bravo Obama.

/I like radical fundies as much as I like radical abortionists.

What exactly is a radical abortionist?


n abortion doctor who rides into the operating room on a skateboard, and does a few sick stunts before he performs the procedure.
 
2013-04-30 09:08:57 PM  

LibertyHiller: I see a farkton of men arguing about this in every thread.

Hey, I've got a crazy idea: How about if everybody who isn't capable of bearing children shut the fark up about what you think someone else should do in the areas of birth control and pregnancy? If you can't do it, you don't get to have an opinion, per the Basic Rule of Life #7: Mind Your Own Farking Business.


B.S.
 
2013-04-30 09:09:26 PM  

Rivetman1.0: Adoptable babies are going to be hard to come by in the near future.
I see this blowing gaskets to the power of X with the bible thumper crowd.


Adoptions cover about 200k kids per year.

Want to guess how many abortions we have per year?
 
2013-04-30 09:09:41 PM  
Infernalist:

Ever since the 'prosperity doctrine' became popular, it's basically boiled down to 'pray your way to wealth'.

That's all they're about anymore.  Praying for personal prosperity and praying against things like the gays and abortion and the like.

They worship Mammon, but they don't know it yet.


oh I think some of them understand exactly what they're doing and who it is they really worship.  they just don't care.  so long as the $$$ rolls in, they're good with corrupting the bible to serve their purposes.

I honestly think the pagans, for all their faults, are a more honest faith.  scattered and perhaps leaderless, they don't seem to be greedy or destructive as the organized mainstream evangelicals and their twisted perverse idea of Christ. I wish I could speak more about the Buddhists but I haven't actually had much contact with them.
 
2013-04-30 09:10:02 PM  

jso2897: Infernalist: legion_of_doo: this is less disgusting than abortion, but a laissez faire attitude towards public health issues is as irresponsible as allowing banking to say "whatever I do what I want"

parents should be involved in the health of their children. "kids will be kids" is not parenting, and never has been. if boys act in an irresponsible way, you intervene. why shouldn't the same apply too girls? somehow, when sex is involved, both the fundies and the libtards get crazy unrealistic opinions... it's frustrating. if we can stop guns and violent video games going directly to kids, why not drugs with obvious areas where parents should be informed?

I'm sorry. just because you disagree with some (backwards) parents doesn't mean your way is right either.

I do know girls who got pregnant in high school and had their babies, so all the screeching about "ruined for life" is as equally damning from the moralist fundies as from the child killing left.

I appreciate the administration trying to have a measured response to the courts, however. bravo Obama.

/I like radical fundies as much as I like radical abortionists.

What exactly is a radical abortionist?

n abortion doctor who rides into the operating room on a skateboard, and does a few sick stunts before he performs the procedure.


THAT'S XTREME
 
2013-04-30 09:10:10 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Wessoman: Amos Quito: So, if a chick pulls a gang-bang-train, how many pills should she take?

It prevents implantation, so even if everybody on the entire Football Team coats her cervix with showstopping daubers, one is all she will need.

Plan B include penicillin?



No, you're thinking of PENIScillin, which comes first.

Plan B comes second.

/Will she swallow?
 
2013-04-30 09:10:12 PM  

Raharu: teenage mutant ninja rapist: Popcorn Johnny: Aarontology: Because they're two entirely different issues.

How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.

Nope. They dont. You have a right to keep a watchfull eye on your child. If you fail in that respect its your own damn fault.

birth control should be a human right in the same vein as food and water


Just jumped right the cliff with the shark, didn't you?

Not everything you think people deserve is a human right.
 
2013-04-30 09:11:20 PM  

Weaver95: Infernalist: LibertyHiller: I see a farkton of men arguing about this in every thread.

Hey, I've got a crazy idea: How about if everybody who isn't capable of bearing children shut the fark up about what you think someone else should do in the areas of birth control and pregnancy? If you can't do it, you don't get to have an opinion, per the Basic Rule of Life #7: Mind Your Own Farking Business.

Hey, some of my best friends are women.  promiscuous women at that.

so you're saying I got a shot with some of 'em?


That entire argument is stupid. And women know its stupid.
yes men cant bear childeren. However we can father them. And often have to foot the bill for them.

so our opinion is just as valid as yours is. Dont like it than dont have sex.
takes 2 to make a child. So its an issue that applies to both genders. Being a female doesnt make your thoughts on it more valid. Just cause its in your womb and gestates there doesnt mean you have more rights to it than the father.

again dont like that fact. Than dont breed
 
2013-04-30 09:11:38 PM  
This thread has turned out to be exactly as much fun as I expected.
 
2013-04-30 09:11:50 PM  

Infernalist: THAT'S XTREME


Comming soon to Fox: Xtreme Abortions Docs :The Reality Show.
 
2013-04-30 09:12:11 PM  

megarian: PistolGripPump: Now, I'm not trolling nor am I trying to add to the flamewar above, and I do not have data to prove the following statement, so please be gentle.  As someone who works in the STD "industry" and has seen the growth in antibiotic-resistant strains of Gonorrhea as well as new resurgence in Syphilis cases, my only concern with the OTC status of Plan B would be it leading to a decrease in use of other contraceptive methods that prevent the spread of STDs as well as pregnancy.  If young people decide to use Plan B as Plan A and neglect to use other forms of contraception (it feels better without latex barriers, you know what I mean), this could be a very bad thing for our country (but job security for me?).

That's...that's an extremely good point.


I've heard that for some people Plan B can make you feel like crap for a few day. For them it is unlikely to become the preferred form of birth control. Then again some people drink a lot and have a severe hangover the next day and for some that doesn't stop them from drinking so much.
 
2013-04-30 09:12:16 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Raharu: teenage mutant ninja rapist: Popcorn Johnny: Aarontology: Because they're two entirely different issues.

How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.

Nope. They dont. You have a right to keep a watchfull eye on your child. If you fail in that respect its your own damn fault.

birth control should be a human right in the same vein as food and water

Just jumped right the cliff with the shark, didn't you?

Not everything you think people deserve is a human right.


True, but you know what. I honestly believe birth control is one of the best things ever invented.
Giving women and men the ability to enjoy themselves, and yet not be shackled to biology, opens so many doors.
 
2013-04-30 09:12:17 PM  

Weaver95: Infernalist:

Ever since the 'prosperity doctrine' became popular, it's basically boiled down to 'pray your way to wealth'.

That's all they're about anymore.  Praying for personal prosperity and praying against things like the gays and abortion and the like.

They worship Mammon, but they don't know it yet.

oh I think some of them understand exactly what they're doing and who it is they really worship.  they just don't care.  so long as the $$$ rolls in, they're good with corrupting the bible to serve their purposes.

I honestly think the pagans, for all their faults, are a more honest faith.  scattered and perhaps leaderless, they don't seem to be greedy or destructive as the organized mainstream evangelicals and their twisted perverse idea of Christ. I wish I could speak more about the Buddhists but I haven't actually had much contact with them.


I don't actually blame the uncorruptible  core of Christianity.  It's the blasted 'people' that always make things go bad.  Religion is just the guise and excuse they use for their own malicious actions.
 
2013-04-30 09:12:22 PM  

evaned: megarian: Exactly! This is why I think women who naturally have spontaneous miscarriages should be tried on charges of manslaughter. People (well, women) should do everything they can to make the womb a scientifically perfect environment for any potentially potential fertilized egg irregardless of weather or not they know they are pregnant. Because who knows?!? That egg that naturally was rejected could have been that one in 10^23 chance that the PERSON every egg is could have saved the world.

Just miscarriages? Man, you're not thinking big enough. Just think about every egg which goes to waste each time a woman has her period? You're talking about each woman being responsible for  dozens of lives being lost!


OMG you're right! I doughnut believe in science but I would believe in donating those eggs to woman that had cancers of the lady parts and can't have the children they were destin to have!
 
2013-04-30 09:12:41 PM  

Amos Quito: Weaver95: Infernalist: Weaver95: why is this a big deal?

Because JESUS

I didn't see any mention of this in the new testament.


What, you never heard of the Plan-Beatitudes?

"Blessed are the whores, for they shall be contracepted".


I remember the Litanies of Levitation from the Adeptus Mechanicus:

//Strike the rune of activation to rouse the machine-spirit//
It is by the will of the Omnissiah that the plate acquires energy
It is by the energy of the plate that the machine
acquires activation
It is by the activation of the machine that the Omnissiah speaks
That the plate acquires function
That the function acquires velocity and altitude
That the grav-plate then rises
Oh, arise, arise!
It is by the will of the Omnissiah that the grav-plate
now functions.
//All praise the machine-spirit!//
 
2013-04-30 09:13:09 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Raharu: teenage mutant ninja rapist: Popcorn Johnny: Aarontology: Because they're two entirely different issues.

How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.

Nope. They dont. You have a right to keep a watchfull eye on your child. If you fail in that respect its your own damn fault.

birth control should be a human right in the same vein as food and water

Just jumped right the cliff with the shark, didn't you?

Not everything you think people deserve is a human right.


Tell that to me when youve got a 14 year old daughter with child. Who never had any sex ed. Or any options after getting knocked up
 
2013-04-30 09:13:19 PM  
Maureen McGovern approves...

//now...this is too obscure.
 
2013-04-30 09:13:24 PM  

TomD9938: theorellior: TomD9938: I wonder who we will have lost.

Probably another Hitler, thank God.

Aside from his love of committing genocide, Hitler had a lot going for him.


the man knew how to put on a good parade.

I like his tailors also. those Nazis wore a fine uniform.

shame about the horrific genocide.

/forced abortions might have been better since a conceptus is just a parasite, amirite?
 
2013-04-30 09:14:12 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Just cause its in your womb and gestates there doesnt mean you have more rights to it than the father.


That's exactly what it means. If you want men and women to have equal rights with regards to pregnancy figure out a way for men to get pregnant.

That isn't to say men can't even discuss this topic. But that's all it is, discussion.
 
2013-04-30 09:14:50 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: Kimothy: Good. Can't wait to see the fundies crying in their Cheerios over this one.

Just wait for all those high moral cashiers who refuse to check out any item they find morally objectionable.


It would probably help some fatties out.

"Ma'am, I am not going to sell you this pizza. You'll have to buy your fatty foods elsewhere."

"Awww, dammit, the other Walmart is all the way across town! My amigo and my lungs can't handle that trip."
 
2013-04-30 09:15:07 PM  

ginkor: [i.imgur.com image 640x360]


1-media-cdn.foolz.us
 
2013-04-30 09:15:20 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: teenage mutant ninja rapist: Just cause its in your womb and gestates there doesnt mean you have more rights to it than the father.

That's exactly what it means. If you want men and women to have equal rights with regards to pregnancy figure out a way for men to get pregnant.

That isn't to say men can't even discuss this topic. But that's all it is, discussion.


I can live with just being part of the discussion, cause, let's be serious.  We'd go extinct as a species if men were the ones to have to go through child-birth.
 
2013-04-30 09:16:22 PM  

TomD9938: make me some tea: it's amazing how right-wingers hate government regulation unless it's an issue they feel strongly about.

Those are big government social conservatives.


...with the full support of the Republican Party.
 
2013-04-30 09:17:20 PM  

mr lawson: Infernalist: THAT'S XTREME

Comming soon to Fox: Xtreme Abortions Docs :The Reality Show.


I bet they play Edward 40-hands and trap one of them in a church wearing nothing but the bottles.
 
2013-04-30 09:17:37 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Who never had any sex ed


No, what should be told is how important talking to your children about reproduction and sex before this unplanned and unwanted pregnancy occurs.
 
2013-04-30 09:18:18 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: teenage mutant ninja rapist: Just cause its in your womb and gestates there doesnt mean you have more rights to it than the father.

That's exactly what it means. If you want men and women to have equal rights with regards to pregnancy figure out a way for men to get pregnant.

That isn't to say men can't even discuss this topic. But that's all it is, discussion.


Wrong. Cause it wouldnt be a child without a man.
just like it wouldnt be child without a woman.

takes 2 genders to make a child. Being the female doesnt make it more yours than his. I know you feel it does.

but your wrong. No penis no child.
it effects both genders equally
 
2013-04-30 09:18:27 PM  

Raharu: BarkingUnicorn: Raharu: teenage mutant ninja rapist: Popcorn Johnny: Aarontology: Because they're two entirely different issues.

How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.

Nope. They dont. You have a right to keep a watchfull eye on your child. If you fail in that respect its your own damn fault.

birth control should be a human right in the same vein as food and water

Just jumped right the cliff with the shark, didn't you?

Not everything you think people deserve is a human right.

True, but you know what. I honestly believe birth control is one of the best things ever invented.
Giving women and men the ability to enjoy themselves, and yet not be shackled to biology, opens so many doors.


Actually, the UN has taken the position that reproductive health is a human right.  This includes birth control.  And that's absolutely the correct position, because easy, safe, and affordable access to reproductive health goods and services is a matter not only of individual health and welfare, but it's also a significant public health issue.
 
2013-04-30 09:18:47 PM  
legion_of_doo:
parents should be involved in the health of their children. [more text goes here]

If parents were involved with the health of their children, or involved with their children in general, these pills wouldn't be used very often.
Unfortunately, it's not yet legal to give beatings to bad parents, so we have stuff like this.

It's a good move, just not the ideal one.
 
2013-04-30 09:19:07 PM  

dmax: PistolGripPump: Now, I'm not trolling nor am I trying to add to the flamewar above, and I do not have data to prove the following statement, so please be gentle.  As someone who works in the STD "industry" and has seen the growth in antibiotic-resistant strains of Gonorrhea as well as new resurgence in Syphilis cases, my only concern with the OTC status of Plan B would be it leading to a decrease in use of other contraceptive methods that prevent the spread of STDs as well as pregnancy.  If young people decide to use Plan B as Plan A and neglect to use other forms of contraception (it feels better without latex barriers, you know what I mean), this could be a very bad thing for our country (but job security for me?).

Kidding, kinda, you could contend that the OTC Plan B is part of a plan to decrease the undereducated population. 1) less babies and 2) more spread of a disease until, in the long run like with TB, it becomes impossible to treat and causes sterilization of those who contract it, like chlamydia. (And, therefore, less babies)

I imagine somewhere is a room of rich old white men who are in agreement that there are only so many resources, but far too many people. The only answer is to let the bottom part of the Bell Curve dispose of itself. Smoking, reckless behavior, inadequate medical care access, etc...

With that theory, and my tinfoil hat tipped at a rakish angle, it somehow makes sense...


Add in legalization of drugs to maintain to keep this population in...........hold on a second, there's someone knocking on my front door <carrier lost>
 
2013-04-30 09:19:15 PM  

Rivetman1.0: teenage mutant ninja rapist: Who never had any sex ed

No, what should be told is how important talking to your children about reproduction and sex before this unplanned and unwanted pregnancy occurs.


lol yeah, their idea of 'talking about sex' comes down to "DON'T YOU FARKING FARK AROUND, YOU SLUT!" if a girl..

If a guy, then it's "Do whatever, just don't get caught, boy."
 
2013-04-30 09:20:02 PM  

Infernalist: I can live with just being part of the discussion, cause, let's be serious.  We'd go extinct as a species if men were the ones to have to go through child-birth.


Oh speak for yourself. I've been on a Taco Truck pubcrawl. I've birthed many things after a Vegas buffet binge, I'll tell ya.
 
2013-04-30 09:20:14 PM  

make me some tea: TomD9938: make me some tea: it's amazing how right-wingers hate government regulation unless it's an issue they feel strongly about.

Those are big government social conservatives.

...with the full support of the Republican Party.


Yeah, they like the votes (some 20% or so) but the fundies can swing Democratic in the right areas.

Politically, they're largely one trick ponies.
 
2013-04-30 09:20:26 PM  

Rivetman1.0: teenage mutant ninja rapist: Who never had any sex ed

No, what should be told is how important talking to your children about reproduction and sex before this unplanned and unwanted pregnancy occurs.


Atleast have one or the other.

no sex ed. Ok but make birth control availiable. No birth control ok. Make sure everyone knows how sex works.

but to have neither is a recipe for failure. No matter how you look at it.

if your only argument to the contrary is the bible.
shut up and go read it
 
2013-04-30 09:20:36 PM  

Wessoman: Infernalist: I can live with just being part of the discussion, cause, let's be serious.  We'd go extinct as a species if men were the ones to have to go through child-birth.

Oh speak for yourself. I've been on a Taco Truck pubcrawl. I've birthed many things after a Vegas buffet binge, I'll tell ya.


Well, there's a visual that's begging for a tequila black-out.
 
2013-04-30 09:20:53 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Wrong. Cause it wouldnt be a child without a man.
just like it wouldnt be child without a woman.


The first part is correct. The second part is the key. Men have one choice, whether or not to consent to sex. Women get two choices. Whether or not to consent to sex and what to do if a pregnancy is the result. Until men get pregnant, they have no control over the second choice.
 
2013-04-30 09:21:08 PM  
Fun Fact: Did you know the Romans may have had a very effective form of birth control?
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2676/did-the-ancient-romans -u se-a-natural-herb-for-birth-control
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silphium
Overgrazing combined with Overharvesting may have led to its extinction
 
2013-04-30 09:22:29 PM  
And thus, the Golden Age of Butt Sex came to an end. -_-
 
2013-04-30 09:22:49 PM  
How long until Republicans rename this "The Murder Pill"?
 
2013-04-30 09:23:03 PM  

TaterTot_HotDish: If you don't want your kids having sex, using condoms, or buying Plan B, teach them not to do those things.  Why do we have to make up for your shiatty parenting?


Lets just do away with the drinking age too, right?
 
2013-04-30 09:23:19 PM  

Infernalist: Rivetman1.0: teenage mutant ninja rapist: Who never had any sex ed

No, what should be told is how important talking to your children about reproduction and sex before this unplanned and unwanted pregnancy occurs.

lol yeah, their idea of 'talking about sex' comes down to "DON'T YOU FARKING FARK AROUND, YOU SLUT!" if a girl..

If a guy, then it's "Do whatever, just don't get caught, boy."


Meh. Some people are like that. Though I only have a son.
most of me sex ed came from my mother.

always very honest and factual talks. I would like to think I could have those same talks with a daughter if it came to it.

god knows I would prefer to teach my childeren about sex than leave it in the hands of "educators"
 
2013-04-30 09:23:20 PM  

Captain Steroid: And thus, the Golden Age of Butt Sex came to an end. -_-


I'm sure if you ask nicely, she'll keep strapping it on.  NTTAWWT
 
2013-04-30 09:23:21 PM  

Moonfisher: ginkor: [i.imgur.com image 640x360]

[1-media-cdn.foolz.us image 535x356]


Wait - are you questioning that some white boy from Arizona cares deeply and sincerely about black baies? How dare you, sir? It's cynicism like yours that causes kittens and puppies to die of broken hearts.
 
2013-04-30 09:23:55 PM  
Wasn't this approved before?
 
2013-04-30 09:24:25 PM  

Leonard_Cohen: Wasn't this approved before?


Not for OTC sales.
 
2013-04-30 09:24:48 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: TaterTot_HotDish: If you don't want your kids having sex, using condoms, or buying Plan B, teach them not to do those things.  Why do we have to make up for your shiatty parenting?

Lets just do away with the drinking age too, right?


And no more clean cheese either - we need to stop the picnic apes.
 
2013-04-30 09:24:52 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: teenage mutant ninja rapist: Wrong. Cause it wouldnt be a child without a man.
just like it wouldnt be child without a woman.

The first part is correct. The second part is the key. Men have one choice, whether or not to consent to sex. Women get two choices. Whether or not to consent to sex and what to do if a pregnancy is the result. Until men get pregnant, they have no control over the second choice.


Thats true. Still doesnt mean a child belongs more to woman than man. Its a 50 50 situation to make a baby.
 
2013-04-30 09:26:21 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Still doesnt mean a child belongs more to woman than man.


Who said anything about belong?

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Its a 50 50 situation to make a baby.


And it's a 100-0 situation to carry it to term.
 
2013-04-30 09:26:26 PM  

Free Radical: How long until Republicans rename this "The Murder Pill"?


Its been done already, its not like this pill is a new invention.

To be fair, its not like they understand how things like The Plan B pill even work.


http://greenleegazette.blogspot.com/2011/10/rachel-maddow-teaches-mi tt -romney-about.html
 
2013-04-30 09:26:35 PM  
gavinstephens.files.wordpress.com

Make it so.

 
2013-04-30 09:26:58 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Dusk-You-n-Me: teenage mutant ninja rapist: Wrong. Cause it wouldnt be a child without a man.
just like it wouldnt be child without a woman.

The first part is correct. The second part is the key. Men have one choice, whether or not to consent to sex. Women get two choices. Whether or not to consent to sex and what to do if a pregnancy is the result. Until men get pregnant, they have no control over the second choice.

Thats true. Still doesnt mean a child belongs more to woman than man. Its a 50 50 situation to make a baby.


Wait a minute. I was unaware that children "belonged" to anybody. Didn't we fight a war about that, back in the 1860s? Or am I confucian?
 
2013-04-30 09:27:21 PM  

make me some tea: How is it people do not understand the concept of consent?


A 15 year old can't legally consent to sex in almost the entire country.
 
2013-04-30 09:28:01 PM  

UNC_Samurai: Raharu: BarkingUnicorn: Raharu: teenage mutant ninja rapist: Popcorn Johnny: Aarontology: Because they're two entirely different issues.

How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.

Nope. They dont. You have a right to keep a watchfull eye on your child. If you fail in that respect its your own damn fault.

birth control should be a human right in the same vein as food and water

Just jumped right the cliff with the shark, didn't you?

Not everything you think people deserve is a human right.

True, but you know what. I honestly believe birth control is one of the best things ever invented.
Giving women and men the ability to enjoy themselves, and yet not be shackled to biology, opens so many doors.

Actually, the UN has taken the position that reproductive health is a human right.  This includes birth control.  And that's absolutely the correct position, because easy, safe, and affordable access to reproductive health goods and services is a matter not only of individual health and welfare, but it's also a significant public health issue.


Fark the UN, too.  Health and well-being are not human rights.  It is not incumbent upon others to provide them to you.  It may be in the self-interest of others, but that's a different story.
 
2013-04-30 09:28:03 PM  
I don't know if I can deal with one of these threads AND a Zimmerman thread all in one day.
 
2013-04-30 09:28:03 PM  

jso2897: teenage mutant ninja rapist: Dusk-You-n-Me: teenage mutant ninja rapist: Wrong. Cause it wouldnt be a child without a man.
just like it wouldnt be child without a woman.

The first part is correct. The second part is the key. Men have one choice, whether or not to consent to sex. Women get two choices. Whether or not to consent to sex and what to do if a pregnancy is the result. Until men get pregnant, they have no control over the second choice.

Thats true. Still doesnt mean a child belongs more to woman than man. Its a 50 50 situation to make a baby.

Wait a minute. I was unaware that children "belonged" to anybody. Didn't we fight a war about that, back in the 1860s? Or am I confucian?


Is 'custody' a form of ownership?  Can a child legally 'refuse' to go home with their parents without merit?
 
2013-04-30 09:28:52 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Its a 50 50 situation to make a baby.


and an 80 / 20 to house, clothe and feed one
 
2013-04-30 09:29:39 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Dusk-You-n-Me: teenage mutant ninja rapist: Wrong. Cause it wouldnt be a child without a man.
just like it wouldnt be child without a woman.

The first part is correct. The second part is the key. Men have one choice, whether or not to consent to sex. Women get two choices. Whether or not to consent to sex and what to do if a pregnancy is the result. Until men get pregnant, they have no control over the second choice.

Thats true. Still doesnt mean a child belongs more to woman than man. Its a 50 50 situation to make a baby.


Well, it might be 50/50 if the guy had to carry it for 4 or 5 months and give birth to it, then feed it from his own flesh afterwards.

Penguins, now that's a 50/50 split. But humans? Nope. More like 99/1.
 
2013-04-30 09:29:45 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: make me some tea: How is it people do not understand the concept of consent?

A 15 year old can't legally consent to sex in almost the entire country.


True - and the female body rejects it if it's not legitimate sex. So no babby is formed.
 
2013-04-30 09:30:37 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: TaterTot_HotDish: If you don't want your kids having sex, using condoms, or buying Plan B, teach them not to do those things.  Why do we have to make up for your shiatty parenting?

Lets just do away with the drinking age too, right?


Really?!  You lost tiger.
It's time to stop posting. You have work tomorrow.
Go to bed.

/We should at least consider lowering it to the voting age, and military service age.
 
2013-04-30 09:30:46 PM  

PistolGripPump: Now, I'm not trolling nor am I trying to add to the flamewar above, and I do not have data to prove the following statement, so please be gentle.  As someone who works in the STD "industry" and has seen the growth in antibiotic-resistant strains of Gonorrhea as well as new resurgence in Syphilis cases, my only concern with the OTC status of Plan B would be it leading to a decrease in use of other contraceptive methods that prevent the spread of STDs as well as pregnancy.  If young people decide to use Plan B as Plan A and neglect to use other forms of contraception (it feels better without latex barriers, you know what I mean), this could be a very bad thing for our country (but job security for me?).


Came in here to say THIS.

I see a lot of folks in this thread claiming that Plan-B will help lower STD rates, and I have no earthly idea why.

It seems to me that if anything Plan-B would cause an increase in STDs.  What kid is going to bother putting on a rubber when he's got a case of Baby-B-Gon in the trunk?

I predict an explosion in the number of reported cases of STDs in the coming few years.
 
2013-04-30 09:31:15 PM  

Amos Quito: Weaver95: Infernalist: Weaver95: why is this a big deal?

Because JESUS

I didn't see any mention of this in the new testament.


What, you never heard of the Plan-Beatitudes?

"Blessed are the whores sluts, for they shall be contracepted".


Whores get paid.
 
2013-04-30 09:31:15 PM  

Leonard_Cohen: Wasn't this approved before?


It's been non-prescription for patients over 18 for quite a while, but it was kept behind the pharmacist's counter.  Minors needed a prescription.  Now it can go on the open shelves and minors as young as 15 can get it with proof of age.
 
2013-04-30 09:31:27 PM  

Raharu: birth control should be a human right in the same vein as food and water


Oh, that explains a lot.  Because people die without birth control in the same way they would die without food and water.

Look, I'm not one of these bible-thumping anti-abortion whackjobs; their methods exacerbate the problem of unwanted children.  I get that and I support abortion rights.  The only problem I have with all this is this apparent effort to keep parents in the dark about their child's health.
 
2013-04-30 09:32:06 PM  
By the way, I'm pro-abortion and an Atheist so lets stop labeling me based on my opinion on this.
 
2013-04-30 09:32:12 PM  

Dimensio: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 346x369]

I am utterly disgusted by this news. Only a monstrous sociopath could look upon the above image and not recognize the sight of a precious human life whose willful termination is premeditated murder.


I know - I hate people who don't recognize that human beings are defined by what they LOOK LIKE, not some weird criteria like DNA.

/Next thing you know, they'll be saying that the blacks are people!
 
2013-04-30 09:32:29 PM  

Infernalist: jso2897: teenage mutant ninja rapist: Dusk-You-n-Me: teenage mutant ninja rapist: Wrong. Cause it wouldnt be a child without a man.
just like it wouldnt be child without a woman.

The first part is correct. The second part is the key. Men have one choice, whether or not to consent to sex. Women get two choices. Whether or not to consent to sex and what to do if a pregnancy is the result. Until men get pregnant, they have no control over the second choice.

Thats true. Still doesnt mean a child belongs more to woman than man. Its a 50 50 situation to make a baby.

Wait a minute. I was unaware that children "belonged" to anybody. Didn't we fight a war about that, back in the 1860s? Or am I confucian?

Is 'custody' a form of ownership?  Can a child legally 'refuse' to go home with their parents without merit?


Your heart's in the right place - don't let me get on your nerves, friend. I'm just having some fun.
Like I said before - dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
 
2013-04-30 09:32:39 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: make me some tea: How is it people do not understand the concept of consent?

A 15 year old can't legally consent to sex in almost the entire country.


and 15 year olds should totally be forced to carry the child to term why?

Because Jesus?
Because you said so?
Just because?
 
2013-04-30 09:32:58 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: teenage mutant ninja rapist: Still doesnt mean a child belongs more to woman than man.

Who said anything about belong?

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Its a 50 50 situation to make a baby.

And it's a 100-0 situation to carry it to term.


No it isnt.
its in a womans body 100%
but a good man is with her. As she puts weight on. As she has strange cravings. As she becomes emotional and thinks shes ugly. As mabey friends and family judge her.

a good man is with her to feel the baby kick. To argue about names. To watch him be born. To help her along the way in whatever way possible.

she may be pregnant. But he is with you the entire time.
atleast a worthwhile man is.

no person is an island unto themselves.

I felt my boy kick. I watched as the doc cut her open to remove my son with the cord wrapped around his neck 4 times.

its no more hers than mine.
just cause its in the woman. Doesnt mean that the man wasnt there and involved the entire time
 
2013-04-30 09:33:20 PM  

Infernalist: Dusk-You-n-Me: teenage mutant ninja rapist: Just cause its in your womb and gestates there doesnt mean you have more rights to it than the father.

That's exactly what it means. If you want men and women to have equal rights with regards to pregnancy figure out a way for men to get pregnant.

That isn't to say men can't even discuss this topic. But that's all it is, discussion.

I can live with just being part of the discussion, cause, let's be serious.  We'd go extinct as a species if men were the ones to have to go through child-birth.


www.40daydetox.com
 
2013-04-30 09:34:20 PM  

Raharu: teenage mutant ninja rapist: Popcorn Johnny: Aarontology: Because they're two entirely different issues.

How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.

Nope. They dont. You have a right to keep a watchfull eye on your child. If you fail in that respect its your own damn fault.

birth control should be a human right in the same vein as food and water


It already is.  You have the right to not f*ck and to not be f*cked.  Ta-da.  Birth control.
 
2013-04-30 09:34:33 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: By the way, I'm pro-abortion and an Atheist so lets stop labeling me based on my opinion on this.


Pro-Abortion?

You want more abortions?

No one is pro-abortion.

People are pro-choice.
 
2013-04-30 09:35:12 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: its no more hers than mine.


I never argued that it was. You brought this weird 'belong' aspect into it. My argument is that any decision about the pregnancy is solely hers. And that won't change until men can get pregnant.
 
2013-04-30 09:35:19 PM  

Raharu: birth control should be a human right in the same vein as food and water


It should, but they do not make it easy.  I've written many times of the hell I went through trying to get sterilized before I just gave up.  Because I'm a woman who has not had any babies, nobody will do it, in case I "change my mind." I can even understand them thinking that was a possibility when I was in my early 20s, but by the time I hit my 30s, and there were records of years of me asking, I don't think it was an unreasonable request.  It honestly seems like it is easier to have a full on sex change than for an unmarried woman who has never had a baby to get her tubes tied.  (Even when I was married, which was the last time I bothered asking, they still said no.)

And some of the treatment I got from doctors was appalling. One grabbed me by the shoulders and yelled at me that she "would not let me make that mistake."  At the time, I was having a difficult time with the pill and we couldn't find one without side effects.  I finally shopped around until I found someone willing to give an IUD to someone who had never had a baby (which is also difficult, but has become less difficult over the years, as I understand.)  I remember asking the doctor if they would pay for the abortion if I ended up getting pregnant because they weren't allowing me to take control of my body.  And I asked if I had to go through menopause before anyone understood that I really and truly am never having kids (answer: "probably.")

So, yes, I agree. Birth control - whatever one chooses to use, so long as it is safe and effective - should be a human right.

At the same time, I do think there needs to be education about the morning after pill.  Such as the fact that it's not reliable as a sole method of birth control. (I have no idea if the price will change when it goes OTC, but the time I bought it, it was $75, so depending, that might be the first clue.)  It also has to be used correctly, when used, and moreso than most OTC medications.  I wish that the normal pill was available OTC, honestly, I'm just not sure if that is medically safe or sound, to be honest, since there can be side effects or it should not be used by women with high blood pressure or women who smoke.    

All of this said, you'd think those of us on both sides of the abortion issue would be happy about increased access to anything that will cut down on the number of abortions that are necessary.  As pro-choice as I am, I obviously think it's better if women don't have to have a surgical procedure if it can be avoided.  I know that isn't the case, but you'd think everyone's goal would be "less abortions necessary."
 
2013-04-30 09:35:39 PM  

HairBolus: megarian: PistolGripPump: Now, I'm not trolling nor am I trying to add to the flamewar above, and I do not have data to prove the following statement, so please be gentle.  As someone who works in the STD "industry" and has seen the growth in antibiotic-resistant strains of Gonorrhea as well as new resurgence in Syphilis cases, my only concern with the OTC status of Plan B would be it leading to a decrease in use of other contraceptive methods that prevent the spread of STDs as well as pregnancy.  If young people decide to use Plan B as Plan A and neglect to use other forms of contraception (it feels better without latex barriers, you know what I mean), this could be a very bad thing for our country (but job security for me?).

That's...that's an extremely good point.

I've heard that for some people Plan B can make you feel like crap for a few day. For them it is unlikely to become the preferred form of birth control. Then again some people drink a lot and have a severe hangover the next day and for some that doesn't stop them from drinking so much.


That's a pretty interesting perspective that I haven't put much thought into.

Thanks. No snark intended.
 
2013-04-30 09:35:46 PM  

theorellior: TomD9938: I wonder who we will have lost.

Probably another Hitler, thank God.


I love that argument against people that try to claim that the child that was aborted could've turned into Einstein. Probably equal chances it could've turned into Hitler.
 
2013-04-30 09:36:06 PM  

radarlove: I see a lot of folks in this thread claiming that Plan-B will help lower STD rates, and I have no earthly idea why.

It seems to me that if anything Plan-B would cause an increase in STDs. What kid is going to bother putting on a rubber when he's got a case of Baby-B-Gon in the trunk?

I predict an explosion in the number of reported cases of STDs in the coming few years.


You clearly have a bronze-age view of women's reproductive rights.
 
2013-04-30 09:36:06 PM  
I should ask this. How many people are mad at the morning after pill being availiable to their daughters also have no problem with their sons being able to buy condoms?

when I was in high school they gave condoms away by the handfull.

morning after pill I think should be availiable in the same way.

unwanted reproduction has a far bigger effect on all of us than someones abstract concept of morale vs immoral
 
2013-04-30 09:36:14 PM  
teenage mutant ninja rapist:

but your wrong. No penis no child.

The correct response would be no sperm no child.  Or all those couples who had artificial insemination wouldn't have kids.
 
2013-04-30 09:36:22 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: By the way, I'm pro-abortion and an Atheist so lets stop labeling me based on my opinion on this.


OK. Everybody: STOP LABELING POPCORN JOHNNY! STOP IT RIGHT NOW!!
There. That ought to do it.
 
2013-04-30 09:36:30 PM  

Raharu: Popcorn Johnny: make me some tea: How is it people do not understand the concept of consent?

A 15 year old can't legally consent to sex in almost the entire country.

and 15 year olds should totally be forced to carry the child to term why?

Because Jesus?
Because you said so?
Just because?


To teach them not to do that again.
 
2013-04-30 09:37:08 PM  

Raharu: Pro-Abortion?

You want more abortions?

No one is pro-abortion.

People are pro-choice.


I stand by my choice of words, fark kids.
 
2013-04-30 09:37:25 PM  

BafflerMeal: Infernalist: Dusk-You-n-Me: teenage mutant ninja rapist: Just cause its in your womb and gestates there doesnt mean you have more rights to it than the father.

That's exactly what it means. If you want men and women to have equal rights with regards to pregnancy figure out a way for men to get pregnant.

That isn't to say men can't even discuss this topic. But that's all it is, discussion.

I can live with just being part of the discussion, cause, let's be serious.  We'd go extinct as a species if men were the ones to have to go through child-birth.


Thanks man. I was about to have dinner.
now im gonna have vodka.

and its all your fault
 
2013-04-30 09:38:02 PM  

serpent_sky: Raharu: birth control should be a human right in the same vein as food and water

It should, but they do not make it easy.  I've written many times of the hell I went through trying to get sterilized before I just gave up.  Because I'm a woman who has not had any babies, nobody will do it, in case I "change my mind." I can even understand them thinking that was a possibility when I was in my early 20s, but by the time I hit my 30s, and there were records of years of me asking, I don't think it was an unreasonable request.  It honestly seems like it is easier to have a full on sex change than for an unmarried woman who has never had a baby to get her tubes tied.  (Even when I was married, which was the last time I bothered asking, they still said no.)

And some of the treatment I got from doctors was appalling. One grabbed me by the shoulders and yelled at me that she "would not let me make that mistake."  At the time, I was having a difficult time with the pill and we couldn't find one without side effects.  I finally shopped around until I found someone willing to give an IUD to someone who had never had a baby (which is also difficult, but has become less difficult over the years, as I understand.)  I remember asking the doctor if they would pay for the abortion if I ended up getting pregnant because they weren't allowing me to take control of my body.  And I asked if I had to go through menopause before anyone understood that I really and truly am never having kids (answer: "probably.")

So, yes, I agree. Birth control - whatever one chooses to use, so long as it is safe and effective - should be a human right.

At the same time, I do think there needs to be education about the morning after pill.  Such as the fact that it's not reliable as a sole method of birth control. (I have no idea if the price will change when it goes OTC, but the time I bought it, it was $75, so depending, that might be the first clue.)  It also has to be used correctly, when used, and mo ...


I have no kids, but I could go get a vasectomy scheduled tomorrow if I wanted. Just another way our society treats the ladies differently from men.
 
2013-04-30 09:38:58 PM  
Show her how much you care...

www.visualphotos.com

Nothing says "good morning" like a Plan B Smoothie

 
2013-04-30 09:39:02 PM  

Raharu: Popcorn Johnny: By the way, I'm pro-abortion and an Atheist so lets stop labeling me based on my opinion on this.

Pro-Abortion?

You want more abortions?

No one is pro-abortion.

People are pro-choice.


There are people who favor compulsory abortion in certain circumstances.
 
2013-04-30 09:39:12 PM  
This should be a null issue. Sad that it is not.

Ofc, I would go about this a completely different way. We can have a national vote. Up or down on legislating any and all birth control. However...

1. Only women can qualify to vote.
2. You have to be able to support a child to qualify to vote (pick some monetary amount, like $40k salary a year).
3. If you vote yes to any birth control, good for you. You and your spouse are off the hook.
3. By voting "No" to the morning after pill (or whatever), you and your spouse give up a chunk of money equal to your share of supporting all the unwed mothers needing child support money.

There, problem solved. Not even 1% of hard core Bible thumpers will vote no to the morning after pill, or anything else, if their money is at risk. End of discussion.
 
2013-04-30 09:39:18 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Raharu: Popcorn Johnny: make me some tea: How is it people do not understand the concept of consent?

A 15 year old can't legally consent to sex in almost the entire country.

and 15 year olds should totally be forced to carry the child to term why?

Because Jesus?
Because you said so?
Just because?

To teach them not to do that again.


Gotta shame dem sluts!
 
2013-04-30 09:40:36 PM  

Raharu: I have no kids, but I could go get a vasectomy scheduled tomorrow if I wanted. Just another way our society treats the ladies differently from men.


And an adult woman can get a tubal ligation scheduled tomorrow if she wanted.  I'm not sure what you're getting at with this line.
 
2013-04-30 09:42:05 PM  

kidgenius: theorellior: TomD9938: I wonder who we will have lost.

Probably another Hitler, thank God.

I love that argument against people that try to claim that the child that was aborted could've turned into Einstein. Probably equal chances it could've turned into Hitler.


And by extension, the people Hitler killed were no loss of human potential either.

After all, we don't know what was lost, so nothing really was.
 
2013-04-30 09:42:15 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: teenage mutant ninja rapist: its no more hers than mine.

I never argued that it was. You brought this weird 'belong' aspect into it. My argument is that any decision about the pregnancy is solely hers. And that won't change until men can get pregnant.


It really isnt solely hers. a man could refuse sex.
Ya I felt stupid typing that.
but it could happen.
even still your original point was men should shut up about the entire topic cause they dont get pregnant.

my point is they are just as involved as females for a variety of reasons. Atleast a good man is.
when it comes to childeren discounting the other gender is a poor attitude to take.

pro birth control for all. Pro sex ed. Pro not being discounted in the situation because the biology is different.

figure were on the same side and were arguing about semantics
 
2013-04-30 09:43:15 PM  

Primitive Screwhead: Preg-Not
Embry-No
Nary a Carry
Nay, Family Way
Mom Bomb
Junior, Miss
Inconceivable!
Mommy Not
Fetus Fail
Kiddie Kill
Poppa Stopper
Womb Broom
Humpty Dumpty
Baby-Maybe


I LOL'd
 
2013-04-30 09:43:45 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: UNC_Samurai: Raharu: BarkingUnicorn: Raharu: teenage mutant ninja rapist: Popcorn Johnny: Aarontology: Because they're two entirely different issues.

How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.

Nope. They dont. You have a right to keep a watchfull eye on your child. If you fail in that respect its your own damn fault.

birth control should be a human right in the same vein as food and water

Just jumped right the cliff with the shark, didn't you?

Not everything you think people deserve is a human right.

True, but you know what. I honestly believe birth control is one of the best things ever invented.
Giving women and men the ability to enjoy themselves, and yet not be shackled to biology, opens so many doors.

Actually, the UN has taken the position that reproductive health is a human right.  This includes birth control.  And that's absolutely the correct position, because easy, safe, and affordable access to reproductive health goods and services is a matter not only of individual health and welfare, but it's also a significant public health issue.

Fark the UN, too.  Health and well-being are not human rights.  It is not incumbent upon others to provide them to you.  It may be in the self-interest of others, but that's a different story.


I, too, once thought positive rights were bullshiat.  Then I grew up and got out of the dumb college libertarian mindset.

Rights come with duties; it's why we can have nice things.  In this case, it's our duty as a society to provide people with access to fertilization prevention.
 
2013-04-30 09:43:50 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: even still your original point was men should shut up about the entire topic cause they dont get pregnant.


Exactly.  Men don't need reproductive rights.
 
2013-04-30 09:43:54 PM  

GoldSpider: Raharu: I have no kids, but I could go get a vasectomy scheduled tomorrow if I wanted. Just another way our society treats the ladies differently from men.

And an adult woman can get a tubal ligation scheduled tomorrow if she wanted.  I'm not sure what you're getting at with this line.


To be fair, a vasectomy has few to any lingering effects and no long term impact on the patient.

Hysterectomies and tubal ligation surgery have a well-documented history of having massive impact on the patient long term, both physically and on a hormonal level.  Many patients report massive personality changes afterward due to swings in hormone levels in the body.

Further, for a guy, it's a few hundred bucks to do, and undo.  For women, not so much.
 
2013-04-30 09:43:55 PM  

GoldSpider: Raharu: I have no kids, but I could go get a vasectomy scheduled tomorrow if I wanted. Just another way our society treats the ladies differently from men.

And an adult woman can get a tubal ligation scheduled tomorrow if she wanted.  I'm not sure what you're getting at with this line.


http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2012/07/getting_your_ tu bes_tied_why_do_young_women_have_a_hard_time_getting_sterilized_.html

Its actually way fairly difficult for some people.
 
2013-04-30 09:44:27 PM  

serpent_sky: Raharu: birth control should be a human right in the same vein as food and water

It should, but they do not make it easy.  I've written many times of the hell I went through trying to get sterilized before I just gave up.  Because I'm a woman who has not had any babies, nobody will do it, in case I "change my mind." I can even understand them thinking that was a possibility when I was in my early 20s, but by the time I hit my 30s, and there were records of years of me asking, I don't think it was an unreasonable request.  It honestly seems like it is easier to have a full on sex change than for an unmarried woman who has never had a baby to get her tubes tied.  (Even when I was married, which was the last time I bothered asking, they still said no.)

And some of the treatment I got from doctors was appalling. One grabbed me by the shoulders and yelled at me that she "would not let me make that mistake."  At the time, I was having a difficult time with the pill and we couldn't find one without side effects.  I finally shopped around until I found someone willing to give an IUD to someone who had never had a baby (which is also difficult, but has become less difficult over the years, as I understand.)  I remember asking the doctor if they would pay for the abortion if I ended up getting pregnant because they weren't allowing me to take control of my body.  And I asked if I had to go through menopause before anyone understood that I really and truly am never having kids (answer: "probably.")

So, yes, I agree. Birth control - whatever one chooses to use, so long as it is safe and effective - should be a human right.

At the same time, I do think there needs to be education about the morning after pill.  Such as the fact that it's not reliable as a sole method of birth control. (I have no idea if the price will change when it goes OTC, but the time I bought it, it was $75, so depending, that might be the first clue.)  It also has to be used correctly, when used, and moreso than most OTC medications.  I wish that the normal pill was available OTC, honestly, I'm just not sure if that is medically safe or sound, to be honest, since there can be side effects or it should not be used by women with high blood pressure or women who smoke.    

All of this said, you'd think those of us on both sides of the abortion issue would be happy about increased access to anything that will cut down on the number of abortions that are necessary.  As pro-choice as I am, I obviously think it's better if women don't have to have a surgical procedure if it can be avoided.  I know that isn't the case, but you'd think everyone's goal would be "less abortions necessary."


YES! This!

No one would tie my tubes. And because I have not had a child, no IUD for me.

Until recently...after 5 years of searching. My pills were extremely expensive because I *had insurance*. Yeah. And I have endometriosis. And I'm Kind of poor. And kids are weird. So yeah, IUD time. $50 a month every month for a Yaz knockoff that makes me sick? No thanks.
 
2013-04-30 09:44:32 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Raharu: Popcorn Johnny: By the way, I'm pro-abortion and an Atheist so lets stop labeling me based on my opinion on this.

Pro-Abortion?

You want more abortions?

No one is pro-abortion.

People are pro-choice.

There are people who favor compulsory abortion in certain circumstances.


You should ignore those voices - sooner or later, they are going to start telling you to set things on fire if you pay attention to them.
 
2013-04-30 09:45:01 PM  

serpent_sky: Raharu: birth control should be a human right in the same vein as food and water

It should, but they do not make it easy.  I've written many times of the hell I went through trying to get sterilized before I just gave up.  Because I'm a woman who has not had any babies, nobody will do it, in case I "change my mind." I can even understand them thinking that was a possibility when I was in my early 20s, but by the time I hit my 30s, and there were records of years of me asking, I don't think it was an unreasonable request.  It honestly seems like it is easier to have a full on sex change than for an unmarried woman who has never had a baby to get her tubes tied.  (Even when I was married, which was the last time I bothered asking, they still said no.)


Isn't that so the Doctor who does the procedure doesn't get a lawsuit from a younger woman who changed their mind about having kids?  Gotta love our tort system.
 
2013-04-30 09:45:48 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: BafflerMeal: Infernalist: Dusk-You-n-Me: teenage mutant ninja rapist: Just cause its in your womb and gestates there doesnt mean you have more rights to it than the father.

That's exactly what it means. If you want men and women to have equal rights with regards to pregnancy figure out a way for men to get pregnant.

That isn't to say men can't even discuss this topic. But that's all it is, discussion.

I can live with just being part of the discussion, cause, let's be serious.  We'd go extinct as a species if men were the ones to have to go through child-birth.

Thanks man. I was about to have dinner.
now im gonna have vodka.

and its all your fault



Hey, you looked like you needed to lose a few pounds.  Just doing my part.
 
2013-04-30 09:45:59 PM  

GoldSpider: You clearly have a bronze-age view of women's reproductive rights.


How so?
 
2013-04-30 09:46:19 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: It really isnt solely hers. a man could refuse sex.


Yes, he could! Then he's made his choice and we wouldn't be having a discussion about pregnancy at all! See how that works?

teenage mutant ninja rapist: even still your original point was men should shut up about the entire topic cause they dont get pregnant.


No, someone else posted that. My original and remaining point is that women get pregnant so they get to make the decision on what to do with that pregnancy. That's it.

teenage mutant ninja rapist: figure were on the same side and were arguing about semantics


I believe we are on the same side but you took my comments to mean that the man has no say after the pregnancy, and that's not what I meant nor what I believe. That's a whole separate thing.
 
2013-04-30 09:46:24 PM  
Can it be paid for with food stamps?

THIS IS IMPORTANT!
 
2013-04-30 09:46:31 PM  

UNC_Samurai: In this case, it's our duty as a society to provide people with access to fertilization prevention.


And parents have a right to know what their children are doing.
 
2013-04-30 09:47:02 PM  

GoldSpider: teenage mutant ninja rapist: even still your original point was men should shut up about the entire topic cause they dont get pregnant.

Exactly.  Men don't need reproductive rights.


I do. I want the right to have an abortion. Just in case, you understand.
 
2013-04-30 09:47:17 PM  

GoldSpider: Raharu: I have no kids, but I could go get a vasectomy scheduled tomorrow if I wanted. Just another way our society treats the ladies differently from men.

And an adult woman can get a tubal ligation scheduled tomorrow if she wanted.  I'm not sure what you're getting at with this line.


See my post... not really.

I tried for years, with Planned Parenthood and multiple private doctors, and they all said no.  They are not eager to do tubal ligations or Essure on women in general, but especially not women who have never had a baby, and especially not young women who have never had a baby.  Men have it significantly easier when it comes to getting a vasectomy - they're not considered as high of a risk for "changing their minds."  (And while I am sure <i>some</i> women do change their mind, I don't imagine all that many people have surgery that can't be reversed without giving it a lot of thought and changed minds are probably very rare.)

It's really not easy, and most doctors won't agree to do it.
 
2013-04-30 09:47:24 PM  
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-04-30 09:47:58 PM  

radarlove: GoldSpider: You clearly have a bronze-age view of women's reproductive rights.

How so?


He's inserting the words of the 'liberal' that lives in his brain.  Since no one in reality would actually say that, he has to substitute fantasy instead.
 
2013-04-30 09:48:22 PM  

legion_of_doo: this is less disgusting than abortion, but a laissez faire attitude towards public health issues is as irresponsible as allowing banking to say "whatever I do what I want"

parents should be involved in the health of their children. "kids will be kids" is not parenting, and never has been.<b>if boys act in an irresponsible way, you intervene. why shouldn't the same apply too girls? </b>somehow, when sex is involved, both the fundies and the libtards get crazy unrealistic opinions... it's frustrating. if we can stop guns and violent video games going directly to kids, why not drugs with obvious areas where parents should be informed?

I'm sorry. just because you disagree with some (backwards) parents doesn't mean your way is right either.

I do know girls who got pregnant in high school and had their babies, so all the screeching about "ruined for life" is as equally damning from the moralist fundies as from the child killing left.

I appreciate the administration trying to have a measured response to the courts, however. bravo Obama.

/I like radical fundies as much as I like radical abortionists.


It is the same. If boys have sex, parents shouldn't be able to beat the shiat out of them. If girls have sex, parents shouldn't be allowed to force them to compromise their health by going through an unwanted pregnancy, or to have their vaginas ripped apart in childbirth against their will.
 
2013-04-30 09:48:56 PM  

GoldSpider: teenage mutant ninja rapist: even still your original point was men should shut up about the entire topic cause they dont get pregnant.

Exactly.  Men don't need reproductive rights.


Yes they do.
girl gets pregnant she has options. Guy gets girl pregnant his option is what she decides.
You want equality between the sexes and this is a big road block to it.
women have many birth control options. Men have 1.

like I said before. Just cause a woman gestates doesnt mean it doesnt effect men. Child spends 9 months in woman.
child lives on earth longer than both parents hopefully.

its an issue that both sides have real need to remedy as best as possible.

its a human issue not a he vs she issue.

stop being so sexist :-P
 
2013-04-30 09:48:56 PM  

Infernalist: To be fair, a vasectomy has few to any lingering effects and no long term impact on the patient.


It's considered a minimally invasive procedure, and completely irrelevant to the point I was responding to.

Raharu: http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2012/07/getting_your_ tu bes_tied_why_do_young_women_have_a_hard_time_getting_sterilized_.html

Its actually way fairly difficult for some people.


Some doctors recommend alternatives.  Clearly this is an outrage.
 
2013-04-30 09:48:57 PM  

Raharu: GoldSpider: Raharu: I have no kids, but I could go get a vasectomy scheduled tomorrow if I wanted. Just another way our society treats the ladies differently from men.

And an adult woman can get a tubal ligation scheduled tomorrow if she wanted.  I'm not sure what you're getting at with this line.

http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2012/07/getting_your_ tu bes_tied_why_do_young_women_have_a_hard_time_getting_sterilized_.html

Its actually way fairly difficult for some people.


With good reason. It's a medically risky and  irreversable procedure.

GoldSpider: Exactly.  Men don't need reproductive rights


Oh STFU, you idiot. You know thats not what she meant when she told you to take your MRA doubespeak elsewhere.
 
2013-04-30 09:49:02 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: UNC_Samurai: In this case, it's our duty as a society to provide people with access to fertilization prevention.

And parents have a right to know what their children are doing.


Not really, no.  Not when it comes to medical stuff.  Didn't we go through this already?
 
2013-04-30 09:50:36 PM  

Dimensio: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 346x369]

I am utterly disgusted by this news. Only a monstrous sociopath could look upon the above image and not recognize the sight of a precious human life whose willful termination is premeditated murder.

-------------------------------

No kidding man, I prefer waiting a few months and then just snipping the spinal cords when they're born.
 
2013-04-30 09:51:24 PM  

Red Shirt Blues: When do they start selling Viagra OTC? Seems like it would be a nice counterbalance.


For kicks, go to the store at 2am and buy:
tgm123.com
lamar.colostate.edu
img1.shopimg.ca
 
2013-04-30 09:51:35 PM  

Raharu: BarkingUnicorn: Raharu: Popcorn Johnny: make me some tea: How is it people do not understand the concept of consent?

A 15 year old can't legally consent to sex in almost the entire country.

and 15 year olds should totally be forced to carry the child to term why?

Because Jesus?
Because you said so?
Just because?

To teach them not to do that again.

Gotta shame dem sluts!


No, shame is unnecessary if the pain is sufficient.

Besides, while she's pregnant nobody will want to fark her.
 
2013-04-30 09:51:38 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Yes they do.
girl gets pregnant she has options. Guy gets girl pregnant his option is what she decides.
You want equality between the sexes and this is a big road block to it.


We were so close too. sigh
 
2013-04-30 09:51:41 PM  
TLDR thread.  Has anyone suggested binding it with flouride in the drinking water in the top twenty five most dangerous zip codes?
 
2013-04-30 09:52:13 PM  

Infernalist: Not really, no.  Not when it comes to medical stuff.  Didn't we go through this already?


You're 100% wrong and would know that if you spent 2.5 seconds researching it.

Link
 
2013-04-30 09:52:16 PM  

ryant123: If girls have sex, parents shouldn't be allowed to force them to compromise their health by going through an unwanted pregnancy, or to have their vaginas ripped apart in childbirth against their will.


And if my 15 year old wants to keep the baby?  Can I compel her to abort, seeing as I'd be the one raising another child?
 
2013-04-30 09:52:47 PM  

Igor Jakovsky: Isn't that so the Doctor who does the procedure doesn't get a lawsuit from a younger woman who changed their mind about having kids?  Gotta love our tort system


I assume as much, but I would think that would be easily enough solved with some legal documents.

They perform sex change operations on people - use similar forms for someone who wants to be sterilized.  I offered to get letters from my therapist and sign documents absolving the doctor of any responsibility if I ever changed my mind (knowing that I wouldn't) and they still wouldn't do it.  I stood there and flat-out said, "If I should ever find myself pregnant, I will absolutely abort" and they just didn't care.

There should be no options for suing a doctor for performing elective surgery. Even if they put in safeguards of making someone wait, say, 6 months or a year, having them consult with a psychiatrist, and having them sign documents that they have no grounds to sue would be progress for those of us denied the rights to truly and fully control our reproductive system (and shut it down permanently.)
 
2013-04-30 09:53:32 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: We were so close too. sigh


He's wrong how?

phillistine: TLDR thread.  Has anyone suggested binding it with flouride in the drinking water in the top twenty five most dangerous zip codes?


Newsletter, STAT!
 
2013-04-30 09:53:41 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Infernalist: Not really, no.  Not when it comes to medical stuff.  Didn't we go through this already?

You're 100% wrong and would know that if you spent 2.5 seconds researching it.

Link


There are three situations when the parent would not be the minor's personal representative under the Privacy Rule. These exceptions are:
When the minor is the one who consents to care and the consent of the parent is not required under State or other applicable law
 
2013-04-30 09:53:47 PM  

imgod2u: Red Shirt Blues: When do they start selling Viagra OTC? Seems like it would be a nice counterbalance.

For kicks, go to the store at 2am and buy:
[tgm123.com image 850x676]
[lamar.colostate.edu image 544x640]
[img1.shopimg.ca image 850x850]


I've never really focused on that poster before. The leer on that car's "face" is positively lewd.
Of course, that was back when she was hot.
 
2013-04-30 09:54:03 PM  
I still don't get why the host has to sing every other song.
 
2013-04-30 09:54:22 PM  

GoldSpider: He's wrong how?


I already covered it. Like three goddamn times.
 
2013-04-30 09:54:34 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: I still don't get why the host has to sing every other song.


Because JESUS
 
2013-04-30 09:55:10 PM  
Plan A: Catholic girl virginity.
 
2013-04-30 09:55:20 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Infernalist: Not really, no.  Not when it comes to medical stuff.  Didn't we go through this already?

You're 100% wrong and would know that if you spent 2.5 seconds researching it.

Link


Maybe you should have spent more than 2.5 seconds reading that link.
 
2013-04-30 09:56:11 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: UNC_Samurai: In this case, it's our duty as a society to provide people with access to fertilization prevention.

And parents have a right to know what their children are doing.


This. When I was a teenager, my folks always knew EXACTLY what I was up to.


No, really.


I mean it - stop laughing.
 
2013-04-30 09:56:17 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: teenage mutant ninja rapist: It really isnt solely hers. a man could refuse sex.

Yes, he could! Then he's made his choice and we wouldn't be having a discussion about pregnancy at all! See how that works?

teenage mutant ninja rapist: even still your original point was men should shut up about the entire topic cause they dont get pregnant.

No, someone else posted that. My original and remaining point is that women get pregnant so they get to make the decision on what to do with that pregnancy. That's it.

teenage mutant ninja rapist: figure were on the same side and were arguing about semantics

I believe we are on the same side but you took my comments to mean that the man has no say after the pregnancy, and that's not what I meant nor what I believe. That's a whole separate thing.


I take the issue personally. Cause it causes me headaches and pain on a daily basis when it comes to my boy.

many women including my ex seem to view a child as being theirs! Not ours. But theirs.

it pisses me off cause the entire time she was pregnant I was there to. The day he was born I was at the hospital before she was.

and from waht ive read so far. It seemed to me that you think since its the woman that carries the child. Shes more entitled to an opinion on the issue than a male is. Therefore a child belongs more to her than him. And I wanted to point out that gestation aside men are there to. Every step of the way in many cases.

Being one gender or another doesnt make an opinion more or less valid. Atleast I dont see it that way. And I dont see it that way because of my own personal experience
 
2013-04-30 09:56:19 PM  
For poor people, OTC Plan B is the best argument for condoms ever.

Plan B costs between $25 and $75 and you get one shot.

Condoms are $10 for a 12-pack.

Poor people ARE capable of math.
 
2013-04-30 09:56:39 PM  
sigh.

Another room heavily populated with men/boys trying to determine and exercise their authority over the deployment and use of women's uterus'

Guys.
Once you make your "deposit", it's no longer your choice.
The only control over reproductive rights that you have is who/where/when you take your best shot.  Or not.

I'd like to hear the ladies reaction to the FDA action.  Not the guy's reaction.

/kinda sad, really.
 
2013-04-30 09:56:59 PM  

Infernalist: There are three situations when the parent would not be the minor's personal representative under the Privacy Rule. These exceptions are:
When the minor is the one who consents to care and the consent of the parent is not required under State or other applicable law


That means that there can be situations that don't require consent, that's a hell of a lot different than the claim you made that parents don't have access to their kids medical care. This is clearly a situation where parents should have to be notified.
 
2013-04-30 09:57:18 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Infernalist: Not really, no.  Not when it comes to medical stuff.  Didn't we go through this already?

You're 100% wrong and would know that if you spent 2.5 seconds researching it.

Link


Except had you actually spent 2.5 seconds researching the applicable laws pertaining to where adolescent children are acting as individuals and not as a part of a parent-child-provider relationship, you'd realize that there is a major exception to the law requiring parents have access to that information without their permission..

Minors Acting as Individuals
A minor is considered "the individual" who can exercise rights under the rule in one of three circumstances. The first situation-and the one that is likely to occur most often-is when the minor has the right to consent to health care and has consented, such as when a minor has consented to treatment of an STD under a state minor consent law. The second situation is when the minor may legally receive the care without parental consent, and the minor or another individual or a court has consented to the care, such as when a minor has requested and received court approval to have an abortion without parental consent or notification. The third situation is when a parent has assented to an agreement of confidentiality between the health care provider and the minor, which occurs most often when an adolescent is seen by a physician who knows the family. In each of these circumstances, the parent is not the personal representative of the minor and does not automatically have the right of access to health information specific to the situation, unless the minor requests that the parent act as the personal representative and have access.

Parents' Access to Information
A minor who is considered "the individual" may exercise most of the same rights as an adult under the regulation, with one important exception. Provisions that are specific to unemancipated minors determine whether a parent who is not the minor's personal representative under the rule may have access to the minor's protected health information. On this issue, the HIPAA privacy rule defers to "state or other applicable law."

If a state or other law explicitly requires information to be disclosed to a parent, the rule allows a health care provider to comply with that law and to disclose the information. If a state or other law explicitly permits, but does not require, information to be disclosed to a parent, the rule allows a provider to exercise discretion to disclose or not. If a state or other law prohibits disclosure of information or records to a parent without the minor's consent, the rule does not allow a provider to disclose without the minor's permission. If state or other law is silent on the question of parents' access, a provider or health plan has discretion to determine whether to grant access to a parent who requests it. Although some comments on the proposed rule suggested that this decision should be made by the treating provider, the rule does not require this. In most situations of direct clinical care, it would be desirable for the treating provider to make determinations about access to a minor's protected health information. Where this is not feasible or appropriate, such as when health plans receive requests for records, the rule stipulates that at a minimum the determination must be made by a licensed health care professional exercising professional judgment.

Special Privacy Protections
Two important provisions of the HIPAA privacy rule allow minors who are treated as "individuals" to request special privacy protections. First, these minors may request that health care providers and health plans communicate with them in a confidential manner: by e-mail rather than by phone, or at a place other than their home, for example.Also, they may request limitations on disclosure of information for treatment, payment or health care operations that could ordinarily occur without their authorization, although the extent to which providers and plans are required to honor such requests varies by the type of request and to whom it is made. These requests may be particularly important when a minor believes that disclosure of information would result in specific danger.

The privacy rule allows a health care provider or health plan not to treat a parent as a minor's personal representative, given a reasonable belief that the parent has subjected or may subject the minor to domestic violence, abuse or neglect, or that treating the parent as the personal representative could endanger the minor. The provider or plan must also decide that it is not in the minor's best interest to treat the parent as the personal representative. In addition, the rule allows a licensed health care professional to deny a parent who is a personal representative access to a minor's protected health information if, in the professional's judgment, access would likely cause substantial harm to the minor or someone else. Finally, it allows a provider or health plan to disclose a minor's protected health information in order to prevent or diminish an imminent threat to the health and safety of a person or the public. These provisions apply to adults as well as minors but have different implications for minors, specifically with respect to disclosure of information to parents.
 
2013-04-30 09:57:42 PM  

Infernalist: Popcorn Johnny: Infernalist: Not really, no.  Not when it comes to medical stuff.  Didn't we go through this already?

You're 100% wrong and would know that if you spent 2.5 seconds researching it.

Link

There are three situations when the parent would not be the minor's personal representative under the Privacy Rule. These exceptions are:
When the minor is the one who consents to care and the consent of the parent is not required under State or other applicable law


Heaven forbid a young women get access to contraception or fertilization prevention if her parents don't believe in providing it.

It sucks that there are situations where parents stand between their children and their children's health, but that is EXACTLY why everyone should have the right to reproductive health.
 
2013-04-30 09:57:46 PM  

TomD9938: ryant123: If girls have sex, parents shouldn't be allowed to force them to compromise their health by going through an unwanted pregnancy, or to have their vaginas ripped apart in childbirth against their will.

And if my 15 year old wants to keep the baby?  Can I compel her to abort, seeing as I'd be the one raising another child?


Wait, it's against the law for you not to raise your child's kid?
 
2013-04-30 09:57:51 PM  

Infernalist: radarlove: GoldSpider: You clearly have a bronze-age view of women's reproductive rights.

How so?

He's inserting the words of the 'liberal' that lives in his brain.  Since no one in reality would actually say that, he has to substitute fantasy instead.


Yeah, I didn't really understand where that statement of his tied in at all with my statements about the potential increase in STD risks.

Apparently thinking kids should wear rubbers when they f*ck to keep from getting AIDS makes me a bible thumping, woman-stoning zealot.

FARK is always teaching me new things.
 
2013-04-30 09:57:52 PM  

TheOnion: Anthracite: TheOnion: Popcorn Johnny: So it's not legal for a 15 year old to consent to sex, but it's just fine if she buys a morning after pill without parental permission? Not really understanding the logic behind that decision.

Should we also ban the purchase of contraception?

Also, it's legal for a 15 year old to have sex with another 15 year old.  And they do it all the time without worrying much about the law (and would continue to do so even if it were illegal).  Since this is going to happen anyway, we would at least like to limit the number of children produced from the activity.

You are assuming that a 15 yr old has the brains to make that decision. I highly doubt it. There is a reason why they can't drive, vote or drink legally at that age.

I'm not assuming anything.  15 year olds have sex.  It's a fact.  The legality of the issue sure doesn't stop them either.  The only question is do we want them to be able to legally purchase protection.  If we say yes, we accept that they'll have sex, but the availability of protection should reduce the rate of STDs and unplanned pregnancy.  If we say no, we accept that they'll have sex, but pay the price of increased STDs and unplanned pregnancy for the benefit of...something.


I told my daughter about this tonight. And reiterated that while I do not condone her having sex (she hasn't yet) if something should ever happen and she has a reason to think contraception may have failed, to let me know immediately as she would now have a back up. We've also discussed how this is by no means a get out of being knocked up free pill, it is something I would help her get should the need arise. Communication helps tremendously.
 
2013-04-30 09:57:54 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Popcorn Johnny: Infernalist: Not really, no.  Not when it comes to medical stuff.  Didn't we go through this already?

You're 100% wrong and would know that if you spent 2.5 seconds researching it.

Link

Maybe you should have spent more than 2.5 seconds reading that link.


If only more Farkers were as wise Uni...

/curtsies
 
2013-04-30 09:57:56 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Infernalist: There are three situations when the parent would not be the minor's personal representative under the Privacy Rule. These exceptions are:
When the minor is the one who consents to care and the consent of the parent is not required under State or other applicable law

That means that there can be situations that don't require consent, that's a hell of a lot different than the claim you made that parents don't have access to their kids medical care. This is clearly a situation where parents should have to be notified.


I'd bother responding, but hardinparamedic has it covered.
 
2013-04-30 09:59:07 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: I already covered it. Like three goddamn times.


Dusk-You-n-Me: My argument is that any decision about the pregnancy is solely hers. And that won't change until men can get pregnant.


So then the statement "Guy gets girl pregnant his option is what she decides." is precisely what that means.
 
2013-04-30 09:59:08 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: That means that there can be situations that don't require consent, that's a hell of a lot different than the claim you made that parents don't have access to their kids medical care. This is clearly a situation where parents should have to be notified.


Except that HIPAA and State Laws say otherwise. Even when you move the goalposts, this doesn't change.

Funny how that works, isn't it?

Please. Just admit you were wrong and move on. Admit that IN YOUR OPINION, they should be, and the law actually says something QUITE different than your Jailhouse Lawyer understanding of it?
 
2013-04-30 09:59:25 PM  

Dimensio: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 346x369]

I am utterly disgusted by this news. Only a monstrous sociopath could look upon the above image and not recognize the sight of a precious human life whose willful termination is premeditated murder.


There was an article posted here on Fark last week I think about couples in AUS aborting their babies
because they turned out not to be the gender they wanted.

Are you cool with that?
 
2013-04-30 09:59:48 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: It seemed to me that you think


Well it seems to you wrong. I never ventured into what happens after the child is born. That is, AGAIN, a whole separate issue and your insistence on putting me on the other side of whatever slight you perceived in your relationship does not make it my opinion. This personal sh*t you've got going on, which I'm not making fun of because we've all got our problems, has nothing to do with me or my argument. If you feel like a victim, my argument has nothing to do with it.
 
2013-04-30 10:00:22 PM  

serpent_sky: Igor Jakovsky: Isn't that so the Doctor who does the procedure doesn't get a lawsuit from a younger woman who changed their mind about having kids?  Gotta love our tort system

I assume as much, but I would think that would be easily enough solved with some legal documents.

They perform sex change operations on people - use similar forms for someone who wants to be sterilized.  I offered to get letters from my therapist and sign documents absolving the doctor of any responsibility if I ever changed my mind (knowing that I wouldn't) and they still wouldn't do it.  I stood there and flat-out said, "If I should ever find myself pregnant, I will absolutely abort" and they just didn't care.

There should be no options for suing a doctor for performing elective surgery. Even if they put in safeguards of making someone wait, say, 6 months or a year, having them consult with a psychiatrist, and having them sign documents that they have no grounds to sue would be progress for those of us denied the rights to truly and fully control our reproductive system (and shut it down permanently.)


I agree wholeheartedly.
 
2013-04-30 10:00:54 PM  
It would be great if it had an option that cured hangovers. It's probably going to be needed most of the time.
 
2013-04-30 10:00:58 PM  

GoldSpider: So then the statement "Guy gets girl pregnant his option is what she decides." is precisely what that means.


Uh, yeah. I've been consistent about that this entire time.
 
2013-04-30 10:01:06 PM  

JenFromTheWood: TheOnion: Anthracite: TheOnion: Popcorn Johnny: So it's not legal for a 15 year old to consent to sex, but it's just fine if she buys a morning after pill without parental permission? Not really understanding the logic behind that decision.

Should we also ban the purchase of contraception?

Also, it's legal for a 15 year old to have sex with another 15 year old.  And they do it all the time without worrying much about the law (and would continue to do so even if it were illegal).  Since this is going to happen anyway, we would at least like to limit the number of children produced from the activity.

You are assuming that a 15 yr old has the brains to make that decision. I highly doubt it. There is a reason why they can't drive, vote or drink legally at that age.

I'm not assuming anything.  15 year olds have sex.  It's a fact.  The legality of the issue sure doesn't stop them either.  The only question is do we want them to be able to legally purchase protection.  If we say yes, we accept that they'll have sex, but the availability of protection should reduce the rate of STDs and unplanned pregnancy.  If we say no, we accept that they'll have sex, but pay the price of increased STDs and unplanned pregnancy for the benefit of...something.

I told my daughter about this tonight. And reiterated that while I do not condone her having sex (she hasn't yet) if something should ever happen and she has a reason to think contraception may have failed, to let me know immediately as she would now have a back up. We've also discussed how this is by no means a get out of being knocked up free pill, it is something I would help her get should the need arise. Communication helps tremendously.


Congratulations.  You have just become an infinitely better parent than these assholes.
 
2013-04-30 10:01:15 PM  

ryant123: TomD9938: ryant123: If girls have sex, parents shouldn't be allowed to force them to compromise their health by going through an unwanted pregnancy, or to have their vaginas ripped apart in childbirth against their will.

And if my 15 year old wants to keep the baby?  Can I compel her to abort, seeing as I'd be the one raising another child?

Wait, it's against the law for you not to raise your child's kid?



I'm asking if the choice is mine (since she's in my custody) as to whether the birth happens.
 
2013-04-30 10:01:32 PM  
If a state or other law explicitly requires information to be disclosed to a parent, the rule allows a health care provider to comply with that law and to disclose the information.

Guess states are just going to have to pass their own laws.
 
2013-04-30 10:01:36 PM  

digitalrain: There was an article posted here on Fark last week I think about couples in AUS aborting their babies
because they turned out not to be the gender they wanted.

Are you cool with that?


And there was also, in that same article, enough information to let one know that only ONE case of that had occured in a clinic in Austrailia, and that parents seeking that to occur are generally turned away. And that 94% of all abortions in Austrailia happen below 12 weeks of gestation.

But, that's just being honest, you know...
 
2013-04-30 10:02:09 PM  

digitalrain: Dimensio: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 346x369]

I am utterly disgusted by this news. Only a monstrous sociopath could look upon the above image and not recognize the sight of a precious human life whose willful termination is premeditated murder.

There was an article posted here on Fark last week I think about couples in AUS aborting their babies
because they turned out not to be the gender they wanted.

Are you cool with that?


Correct me if I'm wrong here, but isn't there a medical procedure out already that all but guarantees a certain sex if you like in with an in-vitro birth?

Here we go:   http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2010/apr/03/sex-selection-babi e s
 
2013-04-30 10:02:55 PM  

radarlove: Yeah, I didn't really understand where that statement of his tied in at all with my statements about the potential increase in STD risks.


i3.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-04-30 10:03:21 PM  

UNC_Samurai: Heaven forbid a young women get access to contraception or fertilization prevention if her parents don't believe in providing it.


Who said she couldn't get it? I'm saying that the parents should be notified after she does.
 
2013-04-30 10:03:45 PM  
Eh I should point out the crowd that thinks the morning after pill is a get out of pregnant free card.


the one time I saw a girl take it she spent 48 hours in horrible stomach pain. Threw up and was very miserable about it.

its a massive rush of hormones. Very unhealthy.
certainly not something a woman would want to take for the hell of it rather than use a condom.

1 time shell use it out of ignorance. After than she will know better.

it aint a magic pill
 
2013-04-30 10:03:49 PM  

TomD9938: ryant123: TomD9938: ryant123: If girls have sex, parents shouldn't be allowed to force them to compromise their health by going through an unwanted pregnancy, or to have their vaginas ripped apart in childbirth against their will.

And if my 15 year old wants to keep the baby?  Can I compel her to abort, seeing as I'd be the one raising another child?

Wait, it's against the law for you not to raise your child's kid?


I'm asking if the choice is mine (since she's in my custody) as to whether the birth happens.


Uh...no? Is that the obvious answer you were looking for?
 
2013-04-30 10:04:30 PM  
AWESOME!!

(you know the "morning after pill" is just 2 double doses of an ordinary contraceptive pill - right?)
 
2013-04-30 10:04:34 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: If a state or other law explicitly requires information to be disclosed to a parent, the rule allows a health care provider to comply with that law and to disclose the information.

Guess states are just going to have to pass their own laws.


They already have. And they protect the rights of the minor to confidentiality when it comes to consensual sexual matters.

The fact is that HIPAA now stacks its self along relatively toothless State laws (minor fine, complaint to board of provider which discloses) and stacks on massive monitary fines and banishment from participation in federal programs for violators.
 
2013-04-30 10:04:57 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: UNC_Samurai: Heaven forbid a young women get access to contraception or fertilization prevention if her parents don't believe in providing it.

Who said she couldn't get it? I'm saying that the parents should be notified after she does.


Well, get right on passing those state laws, then.
 
2013-04-30 10:05:24 PM  

hardinparamedic: digitalrain: There was an article posted here on Fark last week I think about couples in AUS aborting their babies
because they turned out not to be the gender they wanted.

Are you cool with that?

And there was also, in that same article, enough information to let one know that only ONE case of that had occured in a clinic in Austrailia, and that parents seeking that to occur are generally turned away. And that 94% of all abortions in Austrailia happen below 12 weeks of gestation.

But, that's just being honest, you know...


I'm not questioning the frequency of it happening nor how late into the pregnancy it happens.

I am asking if you are cool with the idea of parents aborting their unborn child because it is the
"wrong" gender. Or, extrapolating a little further, if DNA testing of the amniotic fluid (which does
carry the baby's cells) shows that the baby has the genetic predisposition for the "wrong" color
eyes or hair, would you be okay with aborting for those reason as well?
 
2013-04-30 10:05:47 PM  

TomD9938: And if my 15 year old wants to keep the baby? Can I compel her to abort, seeing as I'd be the one raising another child?

Wait, it's against the law for you not to raise your child's kid?


I think it's legal to inform the social workers at the hospital that you have no intention of providing resources for any child except your own, at which point they can look at a clearly unprepared 15-year-old and start really pushing the 'adoption' option.

If more parents told their kids what mine did, which was "If you choose to have sex, we will make sure contraception is available, and if you get pregnant, we will support whatever choice you make that doesn't end in us raising a grandkid," there'd be a lot more abstinent or contraceptive-using teens. Too many families have short generations these days.
 
2013-04-30 10:05:53 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: make me some tea: How is it people do not understand the concept of consent?

A 15 year old can't legally consent to sex in almost the entire country.


That's a murky issue, but I believe that it's generally accepted that if the sexual partner is close in age, consent can be given.

I mean, otherwise we might as well throw 75% of our teenagers in jail for statutory rape.
 
2013-04-30 10:06:39 PM  

make me some tea: Popcorn Johnny: make me some tea: How is it people do not understand the concept of consent?

A 15 year old can't legally consent to sex in almost the entire country.

That's a murky issue, but I believe that it's generally accepted that if the sexual partner is close in age, consent can be given.

I mean, otherwise we might as well throw 75% of our teenagers in jail for statutory rape.


Don't think that hasn't crossed their minds.
 
2013-04-30 10:06:44 PM  

JenFromTheWood: And reiterated that while I do not condone her having sex (she hasn't yet) if something should ever happen and she has a reason to think contraception may have failed, to let me know immediately as she would now have a back up.


Now you may never know, on both counts.
 
2013-04-30 10:07:00 PM  
Thread's too long to read.  Can someone just tell me who's butthurt so far?  TYIA
 
2013-04-30 10:07:00 PM  

TomD9938: ryant123: If girls have sex, parents shouldn't be allowed to force them to compromise their health by going through an unwanted pregnancy, or to have their vaginas ripped apart in childbirth against their will.

And if my 15 year old wants to keep the baby?  Can I compel her to abort, seeing as I'd be the one raising another child?


Coerced abortions are illegal in every state regardless of one's relationship to the mother.

The state will seek child support from the minor mom's parents if the father can't be found.  If he is found but can't pay, the state can go after his parents.
 
2013-04-30 10:07:15 PM  

TomD9938: And if my 15 year old wants to keep the baby?


Papa don't preach.
 
2013-04-30 10:07:41 PM  

GoldSpider: radarlove: Yeah, I didn't really understand where that statement of his tied in at all with my statements about the potential increase in STD risks.

[i3.kym-cdn.com image 255x232]


My sarcasm-meter works just fine and apparently other folks didn't pick up on it either if you were just being sarcastic and glib.

Maybe you should work on your delivery or, if you actually meant what you said, perhaps you should explain your reasons why instead of posting pictures of Prof. Frink.
 
2013-04-30 10:07:46 PM  

hardinparamedic: They already have. And they protect the rights of the minor to confidentiality when it comes to consensual sexual matters.


They've already passed laws based on a decision that was just made today? Wow, that's some effective governing. I guarantee you that there are going to be a lot of states passing laws requiring parental notification for this.
 
2013-04-30 10:08:30 PM  

solitary: AWESOME!!

(you know the "morning after pill" is just 2 double doses of an ordinary contraceptive pill - right?)


That's really a dangerous statement - it's not. You increase your risk of Venous Thrombembolism and Pulmonary Embolism, as well as contraceptive failure in an emergency situation, by quad-dosing your birth control pill, which is estridol and progestrin. The Plan B Pill is <a data-cke-saved-href="<a href=" href="<a href=" http:="" en.wikipedia.org="" wiki="" levonorgestrel"="" target="_blank">levonorgestrel. 

They used to use the massive doses of combined hormonal birth control, but they stopped doing so in favor of levonorgestrel because it was not only safer, but vastly more effective.
 
2013-04-30 10:08:55 PM  

GoldSpider: JenFromTheWood: And reiterated that while I do not condone her having sex (she hasn't yet) if something should ever happen and she has a reason to think contraception may have failed, to let me know immediately as she would now have a back up.

Now you may never know, on both counts.


As long as she's getting medical care and ensuring that nothing ill will come of her choices, does it even matter?
 
2013-04-30 10:09:18 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: UNC_Samurai: Heaven forbid a young women get access to contraception or fertilization prevention if her parents don't believe in providing it.

Who said she couldn't get it? I'm saying that the parents should be notified after she does.


So you're advocating an increased risk of child abuse?  Good to know.
 
2013-04-30 10:09:24 PM  

ryant123: TomD9938: ryant123: TomD9938: ryant123: If girls have sex, parents shouldn't be allowed to force them to compromise their health by going through an unwanted pregnancy, or to have their vaginas ripped apart in childbirth against their will.

And if my 15 year old wants to keep the baby?  Can I compel her to abort, seeing as I'd be the one raising another child?

Wait, it's against the law for you not to raise your child's kid?


I'm asking if the choice is mine (since she's in my custody) as to whether the birth happens.

Uh...no? Is that the obvious answer you were looking for?


Do you know this for a fact?  I genuinely don't know where the law is on this.

An abortion is just a medical procedure, that in this hypothetical, I have deemed necessary for my minor child.

Seems a simple matter of choice.
 
2013-04-30 10:09:31 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: I never ventured into what happens after the child is born.


Except legally they aren't a separate issue, not while laws are in place that automatically obligate an unwilling father to pay child support.
 
2013-04-30 10:09:36 PM  
Awesome.... we can have abortion parties.
 
2013-04-30 10:09:54 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: hardinparamedic: They already have. And they protect the rights of the minor to confidentiality when it comes to consensual sexual matters.

They've already passed laws based on a decision that was just made today? Wow, that's some effective governing. I guarantee you that there are going to be a lot of states passing laws requiring parental notification for this.


State law may not contravene or supersede established federal law in most cases.
 
2013-04-30 10:09:59 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: teenage mutant ninja rapist: It seemed to me that you think

Well it seems to you wrong. I never ventured into what happens after the child is born. That is, AGAIN, a whole separate issue and your insistence on putting me on the other side of whatever slight you perceived in your relationship does not make it my opinion. This personal sh*t you've got going on, which I'm not making fun of because we've all got our problems, has nothing to do with me or my argument. If you feel like a victim, my argument has nothing to do with it.


I dont feel like a victim. What I think is that the me first attitude that women in general. And yourself seem to have. Is causing this debate a big pile of problems. What should be a unified front is being wasted on an us vs them attitude.

my original point still stands. Just becuase the woman gestates doesnt make her opinion more valid or worth more than a mans.

sorry but it doesnt. You can frame it however you please.
but it takes 2 to tango. It takes a villiage to raise a child.
and nasty breakups aside the man is with her every step of the way.

like I said. Boy vs girl is a convenient way to divide and conquer dissent on the issue
 
2013-04-30 10:10:07 PM  

bemused outsider: I'd like to hear the ladies reaction to the FDA action.


They're all standing in line at Walgreens.
 
2013-04-30 10:11:10 PM  

GORDON: Awesome.... we can have abortion parties.


We already throw those here.

(There are a lot of stairs in our house.)
 
2013-04-30 10:11:11 PM  

gameshowhost: Thread's too long to read.  Can someone just tell me who's butthurt so far?  TYIA


i18.photobucket.com

Haven't had a chance to tabulate the forms yet - we're a little short handed tonight.
 
2013-04-30 10:11:34 PM  

UNC_Samurai: So you're advocating an increased risk of child abuse?  Good to know.


So I guess you're against schools notifying parents of what goes on, police notifying parents when their kid gets in trouble, setting curfews for kids, making kids do homework and ten thousand farking other things parents are entitled to know about the kids they raise.
 
2013-04-30 10:11:44 PM  

digitalrain: I am asking if you are cool with the idea of parents aborting their unborn child because it is the
"wrong" gender. Or, extrapolating a little further, if DNA testing of the amniotic fluid (which does
carry the baby's cells) shows that the baby has the genetic predisposition for the "wrong" color
eyes or hair, would you be okay with aborting for those reason as well?


If you're asking my personal opinion, yes, I have a problem with abortion (not birth control or emergency contraception) being used for eugenics purposes. Being pro-choice does not make me cheer for abortions to happen. However, I do not have ANY problem with a person terminating their pregnancy if they learn their offspring will have a terminal or eventually fatal disease, like Huntingdon's Chorea or IEMs.

However, that's my personal opinion. And I sure as hell won't use it to force my will on others to control their womb.

Popcorn Johnny: They've already passed laws based on a decision that was just made today? Wow, that's some effective governing. I guarantee you that there are going to be a lot of states passing laws requiring parental notification for this.


That's nice. In reality, however, they passed laws around 10 years back for emergency contraception in many states which do not require parental permission or notification.
 
2013-04-30 10:12:26 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: UNC_Samurai: So you're advocating an increased risk of child abuse?  Good to know.

So I guess you're against schools notifying parents of what goes on, police notifying parents when their kid gets in trouble, setting curfews for kids, making kids do homework and ten thousand farking other things parents are entitled to know about the kids they raise.


At a certain age, you start losing your rights over your kids.  You should probably start working on accepting that.
 
2013-04-30 10:12:36 PM  

Infernalist: As long as she's getting medical care and ensuring that nothing ill will come of her choices, does it even matter?


I'll let Mom answer that one.
 
2013-04-30 10:12:58 PM  

Harry_Seldon: TomD9938: And if my 15 year old wants to keep the baby?

Papa don't preach.


funny clicky
 
2013-04-30 10:13:40 PM  
In other news:

sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2013-04-30 10:13:53 PM  

GoldSpider: Infernalist: As long as she's getting medical care and ensuring that nothing ill will come of her choices, does it even matter?

I'll let Mom answer that one.


Is she cute?
 
2013-04-30 10:13:57 PM  

hardinparamedic: solitary: AWESOME!!

(you know the "morning after pill" is just 2 double doses of an ordinary contraceptive pill - right?)

That's really a dangerous statement - it's not. You increase your risk of Venous Thrombembolism and Pulmonary Embolism, as well as contraceptive failure in an emergency situation, by quad-dosing your birth control pill, which is estridol and progestrin. The Plan B Pill is <a data-cke-saved-href="<a href=" href="<a href=" http:="" en.wikipedia.org="" wiki="" levonorgestrel"="" target="_blank">levonorgestrel. 

They used to use the massive doses of combined hormonal birth control, but they stopped doing so in favor of levonorgestrel because it was not only safer, but vastly more effective.


I'm glad you updated my horrifically outdated information!  Thanks :)
 
2013-04-30 10:14:05 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Just becuase the woman gestates doesnt make her opinion more valid or worth more than a mans.


It's not about opinions, it's about decisions. And the decision to keep or abort a baby is solely the woman's. That's all I've been saying this entire time.

GoldSpider: Except legally they aren't a separate issue, not while laws are in place that automatically obligate an unwilling father to pay child support.


The only choice a man gets is whether or not to consent to sex. The woman gets the same choice. After they've both decided yes, what to do with a pregnancy is solely the woman's decision. That rubs a lot of men the wrong way because hey that's not equal! You know what else isn't equal? HOW BABIES ARE MADE. Women get pregnant, they get to make the decision that follows. That is, AGAIN, all I've been saying this whole time.
 
2013-04-30 10:14:29 PM  

TomD9938: Do you know this for a fact?  I genuinely don't know where the law is on this.


If you have a well funded organization behind you, you can have an injunction placed against someone getting an abortion, but those have traditionally been overturned by Federal Appellate courts unless the abortion was being forced upon the pregnant woman, and the woman herself was requesting it.
 
2013-04-30 10:14:35 PM  

digitalrain: I am asking if you are cool with the idea of parents aborting their unborn child because it is the
"wrong" gender. Or, extrapolating a little further, if DNA testing of the amniotic fluid (which does
carry the baby's cells) shows that the baby has the genetic predisposition for the "wrong" color
eyes or hair, would you be okay with aborting for those reason as well?


If you are pro-choice, you are pro-choice.  What difference does it make what reason someone has for aborting? It's their life and their choice.
 
2013-04-30 10:14:37 PM  
Ugh. The derp is to strong in this thread.

my point is this.

birth control is a human right. We have the technology.
the morning after pill is a serious thing to put in ones body.
so before forming an opinion one should read up on it.

and a baby belongs to a father just as much as a mother. Therefore both opinions are valid.

and if women disagree. They should be happy to forfeit child support payments because afterall. It belongs to them not him
 
2013-04-30 10:14:58 PM  

Infernalist: State law may not contravene or supersede established federal law in most cases.


You need to read the HIPPA law that was posted above.
 
2013-04-30 10:15:40 PM  
/yes I know it's fake
 
2013-04-30 10:16:09 PM  

solitary: I'm glad you updated my horrifically outdated information!  Thanks :)


Sorry, link fail there but not a problem.

My Ex had a scare and did that, and her GYN had a fit when she found out.

Dusk-You-n-Me: GoldSpider: Except legally they aren't a separate issue, not while laws are in place that automatically obligate an unwilling father to pay child support.

The only choice a man gets is whether or not to consent to sex. The woman gets the same choice. After they've both decided yes, what to do with a pregnancy is solely the woman's decision. That rubs a lot of men the wrong way because hey that's not equal! You know what else isn't equal? HOW BABIES ARE MADE. Women get pregnant, they get to make the decision that follows. That is, AGAIN, all I've been saying this whole time.


Not sure if you're arguing with a troll, or a Men's Rights Activist follower.
 
2013-04-30 10:16:09 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Women get pregnant, they get to make the decision that follows.


For the next 9 months, and 18 years.  Sounds reasonable to me.
 
2013-04-30 10:16:48 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Aarontology: Because they're two entirely different issues.

How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.


I hate to break it to you poopsie but parents haven't known what their teenagers have been doing since forever.
 
2013-04-30 10:17:07 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: You need to read the HIPPA law that was posted above.


HIPAA defers to state law in the absence of any federal laws at that time. This new law will supercede that, and HIPAA will have to be amended as a result.
 
2013-04-30 10:17:51 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: UNC_Samurai: So you're advocating an increased risk of child abuse?  Good to know.

So I guess you're against schools notifying parents of what goes on, police notifying parents when their kid gets in trouble, setting curfews for kids, making kids do homework and ten thousand farking other things parents are entitled to know about the kids they raise.


Nice strawman.  Let's go back and look at what the good doctor posted, and you've ignored repeatedly:

hardinparamedic: Special Privacy Protections
Two important provisions of the HIPAA privacy rule allow minors who are treated as "individuals" to request special privacy protections. First, these minors may request that health care providers and health plans communicate with them in a confidential manner: by e-mail rather than by phone, or at a place other than their home, for example. Also, they may request limitations on disclosure of information for treatment, payment or health care operations that could ordinarily occur without their authorization, although the extent to which providers and plans are required to honor such requests varies by the type of request and to whom it is made. These requests may be particularly important when a minor believes that disclosure of information would result in specific danger.

The privacy rule allows a health care provider or health plan not to treat a parent as a minor's personal representative, given a reasonable belief that the parent has subjected or may subject the minor to domestic violence, abuse or neglect, or that treating the parent as the personal representative could endanger the minor. The provider or plan must also decide that it is not in the minor's best interest to treat the parent as the personal representative. In addition, the rule allows a licensed health care professional to deny a parent who is a personal representative access to a minor's protected health information if, in the professional's judgment, access would likely cause substantial harm to the minor or someone else. Finally, it allows a provider or health plan to disclose a minor's protected health information in order to prevent or diminish an imminent threat to the health and safety of a person or the public. These provisions apply to adults as well as minors but have different implications for minors, specifically with respect to disclosure of information to parents.


If it's in the interests of preventing abuse, physical or otherwise, then it's legal (and a moral imperative) to NOT disclose the information to the parents.
 
2013-04-30 10:18:25 PM  
Meh.....  When the baby daddy gets to say yes or no then it will be equal.  Pro Choice™ is needs to be bilateral.  Kobe's squeeze is prolly more prone to be prolife than Bubba's.
 
2013-04-30 10:18:27 PM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: But how will we properly shame our sluts??

The consequences will never be the same.


I'm sure the teabaggers oops sorry small government conservatives will insist we have agents at every check out counter to make sure they feel appropriately disgusting to good moral decent people.
 
2013-04-30 10:18:31 PM  

mr lawson: /yes I know it's fake


I was just about to pop it on because I was CERTAIN that he traveled to 2015, but the pic completely made me doubt my memory.  Good shoop, and an even better troll!
 
2013-04-30 10:18:32 PM  

bemused outsider: sigh.

Another room heavily populated with men/boys trying to determine and exercise their authority over the deployment and use of women's uterus'

Guys.
Once you make your "deposit", it's no longer your choice.
The only control over reproductive rights that you have is who/where/when you take your best shot.  Or not.

I'd like to hear the ladies reaction to the FDA action.  Not the guy's reaction.

/kinda sad, really.


It's pretty awesome.
 
2013-04-30 10:19:00 PM  

hardinparamedic: Popcorn Johnny: You need to read the HIPPA law that was posted above.

HIPAA defers to state law in the absence of any federal laws at that time. This new law will supercede that, and HIPAA will have to be amended as a result.


Yeah, what he said.
 
2013-04-30 10:19:10 PM  

hardinparamedic: HIPAA defers to state law in the absence of any federal laws at that time. This new law will supercede that, and HIPAA will have to be amended as a result.


From HIPPA....

If a state or other law explicitly requires information to be disclosed to a parent, the rule allows a health care provider to comply with that law and to disclose the information.
 
2013-04-30 10:19:11 PM  

GoldSpider: For the next 9 months, and 18 years.  Sounds reasonable to me.


I don't know what this means but I think we're good.

hardinparamedic: Not sure if you're arguing with a troll, or a Men's Rights Activist follower.


You're telling me.
 
2013-04-30 10:19:46 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: UNC_Samurai: So you're advocating an increased risk of child abuse?  Good to know.

So I guess you're against schools notifying parents of what goes on, police notifying parents when their kid gets in trouble, setting curfews for kids, making kids do homework and ten thousand farking other things parents are entitled to know about the kids they raise.


Johnny, it's not about what parents are entitled to know.  It's about what society expects from parents.

You're expected to make sure your kid stays out of trouble, does homework, gets home by 10, etc.  So of course, you have to be told when you're failing.

When it comes to abortion, it isn't necessary to inform you.  If you're down with it, it will happen.  If you're opposed to it, it will happen.  The only way it won't happen is if your child doesn't want it to happen.

Society overwhelmingly disfavors pregnant teens and teen mothers.  You lose.
 
2013-04-30 10:19:50 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: teenage mutant ninja rapist: Just becuase the woman gestates doesnt make her opinion more valid or worth more than a mans.

It's not about opinions, it's about decisions. And the decision to keep or abort a baby is solely the woman's. That's all I've been saying this entire time.

GoldSpider: Except legally they aren't a separate issue, not while laws are in place that automatically obligate an unwilling father to pay child support.

The only choice a man gets is whether or not to consent to sex. The woman gets the same choice. After they've both decided yes, what to do with a pregnancy is solely the woman's decision. That rubs a lot of men the wrong way because hey that's not equal! You know what else isn't equal? HOW BABIES ARE MADE. Women get pregnant, they get to make the decision that follows. That is, AGAIN, all I've been saying this whole time.


If a woman loves and cares for the man she is with than it is not her choice. It is a joint choice. Ultimatley falling on her yes. But still a woman has the choice to never become pregant if she wishes. Condoms tubes tied. IUDs depovera? The pill.

men have condoms. Crap shoot at best. So our opinion matters just as much
 
2013-04-30 10:20:13 PM  

hardinparamedic: Dusk-You-n-Me: GoldSpider: Except legally they aren't a separate issue, not while laws are in place that automatically obligate an unwilling father to pay child support.

The only choice a man gets is whether or not to consent to sex. The woman gets the same choice. After they've both decided yes, what to do with a pregnancy is solely the woman's decision. That rubs a lot of men the wrong way because hey that's not equal! You know what else isn't equal? HOW BABIES ARE MADE. Women get pregnant, they get to make the decision that follows. That is, AGAIN, all I've been saying this whole time.

Not sure if you're arguing with a troll, or a Men's Rights Activist follower.


Is it just me, or have the MRA folks really amped up their misogyny in the last year or so?
 
2013-04-30 10:20:31 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Ugh. The derp is to strong in this thread.


If the FDA ruling included that the medicine had to be administered by a gay black muslim using some sort of airgun, this thread would have exploded the interwebs.
 
2013-04-30 10:20:53 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Aarontology: Because they're two entirely different issues.

How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.


Which amendment is that in?