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2013-05-01 01:15:23 AM
Get the hook!

images.wikia.com
 
2013-05-01 01:15:57 AM

Greylight: we need to value both genders for the different things they bring to our society.


Genders don't bring anything to society, individuals do.
 
2013-05-01 01:16:12 AM

serpent_sky: I'm not. I think that in order to afford a woman the absolute right to control her own body, which is essential, and her own life, a man must be afforded the same freedom and rights and if a man wants to walk away, if a man would have aborted the fetus if it were his body, and does not want to be a parent, he should be able to walk away. The woman who makes her choice on her own should have to deal with it on her own, and not by obligating someone else to come along for 18 years if he doesn't want to.

It really is the only fair way. In no way can I be okay with compelling a woman to abort, nor to carry a pregnancy to term, as it's her body. But compelling a man to support a child he did not want is also wrong. There's really no way to do anything about the man who would want the child when the woman doesn't, but there is at least a way to allow a man to walk away in the way that a woman can choose to abort.


I'm female and completely okay with this as a proposed system. I'd like it if both parties stated their intentions for any knock-ups that might result prior to mating taking place, but not everybody finds the subtle change over some years from "we must not get knocked up" to "that wouldn't be a complete disaster" to "either way, I'll be with you forever," to  "maybe not today, but soon, could we?" to be particularly romantic pillow-talk.

If a woman gets knocked up, the father opts-out and she can't afford to raise the kid alone, she can choose abortion or open adoption and just be the kid's godmother or auntie. Open adoption is a surprisingly great option that the abortion/child support/various genders' rights debate tends to gloss over. And with the option of opt-out for both genders, it makes such things as single fatherhood by choice and couples who love one another but aren't ready for parenting and who decide instead to be loving godparents to an infertile couple's adopted kid much more likely and possible.

Also, I consider women who get knocked up on the sly to be letting the gender down, women who don't immediately consider equal-time custody the first option in child-support hearings to lack character and I, for one, intend to insist on a paternity test for my first kid despite my complete monogamy because women should take pride in their workmanship and encourage rigid quality-control standards. (Husband's an engineer. If it were possible to check future kid against ISO standards, I'd be looking into it.)
 
2013-05-01 01:16:12 AM

red5ish: ryant123: But Plan B doesn't prevent attachment.

QFT
Here comes the science:
Plan B prevents ovulation. Plan B contains a high dose of synthetic progestin which prevents the release of an egg from the ovary.


See the link I posted up about 4-5 posts.  From last summer.  Scientists still aren't sure how it works.  You shouldn't be, either.
 
2013-05-01 01:18:51 AM

SixPaperJoint: WTF why you so stupid?


Must be the company I keep.

It really doesn't matter to me.

Well, yes, it does.  II wish Plan B did have a third line of defense.  An 89% success rate is disappointing.
 
2013-05-01 01:21:37 AM

BarkingUnicorn: SixPaperJoint: WTF why you so stupid?

Must be the company I keep.

It really doesn't matter to me.

Well, yes, it does.  II wish Plan B did have a third line of defense.  An 89% success rate is disappointing.


Hey man...
images.fineartamerica.com

...even abstinence only works 99.999999% of the time.
 
2013-05-01 01:23:10 AM
The only problem I have with Plan B is I really can see some guys drugging girls with it.  I don't know if anyone has thought to do it yet, but it might not be a bad idea to make it have a really obvious taste, maybe even some dye so it can't be mixed in food.  That's probably a good idea for several drugs on the market.
 
2013-05-01 01:24:11 AM

SixPaperJoint: BarkingUnicorn: ryant123: BarkingUnicorn: ryant123: Popcorn Johnny: The Why Not Guy: It prevents conception from taking place.

Conception is fertilization. Plan B does not prevent fertilization.

That's wrong.

These pills can do any of three things depending on when in a woman's cycle they are taken:

1. prevent ovulation
2. prevent fertilization
3. prevent attachment

But Plan B doesn't prevent attachment. It doesn't do that. I'm not sure how many other ways to state the fact that it does not prevent attachment. Here is me trying: You are wrong. If you believe it prevents attachment, you believe a falsehood. If you say it prevents attachment, you are stating a falsehood. If you knowingly do so, it is not just a falsiloquium, it is a mendacium. I.e., you're lying.

Even the makers of Plan B say it "may."  So I wouldn't be so certain.

But now I find there is some recent research that casts doubt on that theory.

From your link:

It turns out that the politically charged debate over morning-after pills and abortion, a divisive issue in this election year, is probably rooted in outdated or incorrect scientific guesses about how the pills work. Because they block creation of fertilized eggs, they would not meet abortion opponents' definition of abortion-inducing drugs. In contrast a medication prescribed for terminating pregnancies, destroys implanted embryos.


WTF why you so stupid?


I interpreted him as saying the theory on which the doubt was cast was the theory that Plan B "may" disrupt implantation. Correct me if I'm wrong,  BarkingUnicorn.
 
2013-05-01 01:25:17 AM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: so our opinion is just as valid as yours is. Dont like it than dont have sex.
takes 2 to make a child. So its an issue that applies to both genders. Being a female doesnt make your thoughts on it more valid. Just cause its in your womb and gestates there doesnt mean you have more rights to it than the father.



Uh, yes, actually, having the uterus DOES make women's thoughts on this topic more valid and give us more rights than men.

Don''t like it?  Sucks to be you, I guess.
 
2013-05-01 01:29:33 AM

BarkingUnicorn: SixPaperJoint: WTF why you so stupid?

Must be the company I keep.

It really doesn't matter to me.

Well, yes, it does.  II wish Plan B did have a third line of defense.  An 89% success rate is disappointing.


Does god do you or your lived ones Pap?
 
2013-05-01 01:30:30 AM

ryant123: I interpreted him as saying the theory on which the doubt was cast was the theory that Plan B "may" disrupt implantation. Correct me if I'm wrong,  BarkingUnicorn.


You are not wrong.
 
2013-05-01 01:32:13 AM
Ya know, LOVED ones would have worked much better.

But my point was:

You are an ass and you should feel bad. Real bad
 
2013-05-01 01:32:57 AM

BarkingUnicorn: teenage mutant ninja rapist: BarkingUnicorn: Forgive me if you've read my solution before:

Temporarily sterilize everyone at birth.
Reverse sterilization when a person qualifies for a mortgage
Pay off the ones that can't be reversed for some reason.

Yeah, some will go broke after becoming fertile or breeding.  But a lot of shiat would be avoided.

I bet you cant wait to invade poland

Why?  You think Polacks would buy this solution?

We have enough people now that we can afford to be picky about who else comes into the world and the people who will raise them.  Indiscriminate breeding is bad for society, the species, the planet, and individuals who can't afford it.


Everything you said is true.
still what gives anyone the right to discriminate bredding rights based essentially on income. Cause thats what you suggest.
 
2013-05-01 01:33:07 AM

Primitive Screwhead: Preg-Not
Embry-No
Nary a Carry
Nay, Family Way
Mom Bomb
Junior, Miss
Inconceivable!
Mommy Not
Fetus Fail
Kiddie Kill
Poppa Stopper
Womb Broom
Humpty Dumpty
Baby-Maybe


Stop Pop
 
2013-05-01 01:33:33 AM

SixPaperJoint: BarkingUnicorn: SixPaperJoint: WTF why you so stupid?

Must be the company I keep.

It really doesn't matter to me.

Well, yes, it does.  II wish Plan B did have a third line of defense.  An 89% success rate is disappointing.

Does god do you or your lived ones Pap?


That reminds me of another classic from T-shirtHell.com.
 
2013-05-01 01:33:54 AM

BarkingUnicorn: ryant123: I interpreted him as saying the theory on which the doubt was cast was the theory that Plan B "may" disrupt implantation. Correct me if I'm wrong,  BarkingUnicorn.

You are not wrong.


George R.R. Martin, is that you?  I'm a big fan.
 
2013-05-01 01:35:25 AM
cruelty

informing your girl friend that you are sterile
after she tells you she is pregnant
 
2013-05-01 01:35:59 AM

HoratioGates: The only problem I have with Plan B is I really can see some guys drugging girls with it.  I don't know if anyone has thought to do it yet, but it might not be a bad idea to make it have a really obvious taste, maybe even some dye so it can't be mixed in food.  That's probably a good idea for several drugs on the market.


Ah. So its a problem cause men.

got it
 
2013-05-01 01:36:07 AM

ciberido: teenage mutant ninja rapist: so our opinion is just as valid as yours is. Dont like it than dont have sex.
takes 2 to make a child. So its an issue that applies to both genders. Being a female doesnt make your thoughts on it more valid. Just cause its in your womb and gestates there doesnt mean you have more rights to it than the father.


Uh, yes, actually, having the uterus DOES make women's thoughts on this topic more valid and give us more rights than men.

Don''t like it?  Sucks to be you, I guess.


We get paid more for the same work, so I guess it balances out.


/we don't really
 
2013-05-01 01:37:05 AM

ciberido: teenage mutant ninja rapist: so our opinion is just as valid as yours is. Dont like it than dont have sex.
takes 2 to make a child. So its an issue that applies to both genders. Being a female doesnt make your thoughts on it more valid. Just cause its in your womb and gestates there doesnt mean you have more rights to it than the father.


Uh, yes, actually, having the uterus DOES make women's thoughts on this topic more valid and give us more rights than men.

Don''t like it?  Sucks to be you, I guess.


If that was the case then this wouldnt be a topic now would it.
 
2013-05-01 01:39:47 AM
745 comments on this topic?  Really?

(adds 1 to that)
 
2013-05-01 01:40:46 AM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Infernalist: Rivetman1.0: teenage mutant ninja rapist: Who never had any sex ed

No, what should be told is how important talking to your children about reproduction and sex before this unplanned and unwanted pregnancy occurs.

lol yeah, their idea of 'talking about sex' comes down to "DON'T YOU FARKING FARK AROUND, YOU SLUT!" if a girl..

If a guy, then it's "Do whatever, just don't get caught, boy."

Meh. Some people are like that. Though I only have a son.


Thank God.
 
2013-05-01 01:42:42 AM
BarkingUnicorn:

Awesome!


You get yellow warning #3 as best troll while dunk!

I have Civ game to attend to. Thanks, for a second I thought you might... well, you know.


Thread jack/

New to Civ5, is Gandhi as bad as they say?
 
2013-05-01 01:43:17 AM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: BarkingUnicorn: teenage mutant ninja rapist: BarkingUnicorn: Forgive me if you've read my solution before:

Temporarily sterilize everyone at birth.
Reverse sterilization when a person qualifies for a mortgage
Pay off the ones that can't be reversed for some reason.

Yeah, some will go broke after becoming fertile or breeding.  But a lot of shiat would be avoided.

I bet you cant wait to invade poland

Why?  You think Polacks would buy this solution?

We have enough people now that we can afford to be picky about who else comes into the world and the people who will raise them.  Indiscriminate breeding is bad for society, the species, the planet, and individuals who can't afford it.

Everything you said is true.
still what gives anyone the right to discriminate bredding rights based essentially on income. Cause thats what you suggest.


Who needs a right?  All that is necessary is sufficient agreement.  Currently, Octomom has it.  Is that good?
 
2013-05-01 01:46:28 AM
Does anyone know how far along research into a MALE birth control pill is?  I know a lot of women either (a) flake and neglect to take their birth control or (b) genuinely try to take it properly but screw it up or (c) try to use pregnancy to hook a man, but are forced to have an abortion when he chooses to bail. (Not ALL women do this, of course, but it would be interesting to see what effect a non-condom based male BC method has on pregnancy rates. )
 
2013-05-01 01:46:40 AM

ciberido: teenage mutant ninja rapist: Infernalist: Rivetman1.0: teenage mutant ninja rapist: Who never had any sex ed

No, what should be told is how important talking to your children about reproduction and sex before this unplanned and unwanted pregnancy occurs.

lol yeah, their idea of 'talking about sex' comes down to "DON'T YOU FARKING FARK AROUND, YOU SLUT!" if a girl..

If a guy, then it's "Do whatever, just don't get caught, boy."

Meh. Some people are like that. Though I only have a son.

Thank God.


Yep. Real intelligence there.

this is what comes from arguing with a female of any kind.
no solutions. Just petty insults.
 
2013-05-01 01:47:21 AM
I'm honestly amazed at the number of "parents have the right to know what their children are doing!!" posts. Do you think all parents are calm, rational and sensible who will agreeable take their daughter to the drug store to buy Plan B?

Think about this for a minute. How would your parents have reacted if you had told them you needed this when you were a teenager?

I once asked my mother a question about sex. She grabbed my arm, squeezed, dug in her nails so she could pull me close in for an angry, hissing "nice people don't talk about those things" lecture. I had a bruise for days. She also thought you couldn't use tampons if you were a virgin. Was this a person who should be giving anyone advice and guidance about sex? How do you think she would have reacted to the news that I needed the morning after pill? What sort of physical and emotional abuse would have followed?

Think about the reality, not about the parents portrayed on TV.
 
2013-05-01 01:47:39 AM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: HoratioGates: The only problem I have with Plan B is I really can see some guys drugging girls with it.  I don't know if anyone has thought to do it yet, but it might not be a bad idea to make it have a really obvious taste, maybe even some dye so it can't be mixed in food.  That's probably a good idea for several drugs on the market.

Ah. So its a problem cause men.

got it


I expect parents of both sexes will slip Plan B to their daughters.  But mainly, it will be men doing it.
 
2013-05-01 01:47:57 AM

BarkingUnicorn: red5ish: ryant123: But Plan B doesn't prevent attachment.

QFT
Here comes the science:
Plan B prevents ovulation. Plan B contains a high dose of synthetic progestin which prevents the release of an egg from the ovary.

See the link I posted up about 4-5 posts.  From last summer.  Scientists still aren't sure how it works.  You shouldn't be, either.


Your argument is all over the place. First you believed that Plan B blocked the attachment of fertilized eggs. I quote you:

This quibbling over placental attachment is cowardly nonsense.  A fertilized egg contains the DNA of a unique human being.  Plan B is to kill it before it becomes too troublesome.  Deal with that.

Then you've linked to an article which states:

The notion that morning-after pills prevent eggs from implanting stems from the Food and Drug Administration's decision during the drug-approval process to mention that possibility on the label - despite lack of scientific proof, scientists say, and objections by the manufacturer of Plan B, the pill on the market the longest. Leading scientists say studies since then provide strong evidence that Plan B does not prevent implantation, and no proof that a newer type of pill, Ella, does.  Some abortion opponents said they remain unconvinced.

And from that you somehow come to the conclusion that scientists aren't sure how it works, when in fact it is abortion opponents who don't know how it works. The abortion opponents believe a statement made in absence of proof. That's how religion works, not science.

You have aggressively stated "Deal with that." and told me "Scientists still aren't sure how it works.  You shouldn't be, either." I appreciate your enthusiasm but advise you to get your facts straight before getting in my face.

My original statement:   Less unwanted pregnancies. Less abortions. I don't see a downside to this.

I stand by that.
 
2013-05-01 01:48:42 AM
The age 15 limit is retarded.  Do you want girls younger than that to have a farking child to take care of?  What the fark is wrong with you?!!
 
2013-05-01 01:49:50 AM

yourmomlovestetris: Does anyone know how far along research into a MALE birth control pill is?


It has been perfected. It's active ingredient is a carefully placed punch in the nards.
 
2013-05-01 01:51:04 AM

yourmomlovestetris: Does anyone know how far along research into a MALE birth control pill is?  I know a lot of women either (a) flake and neglect to take their birth control or (b) genuinely try to take it properly but screw it up or (c) try to use pregnancy to hook a man, but are forced to have an abortion when he chooses to bail. (Not ALL women do this, of course, but it would be interesting to see what effect a non-condom based male BC method has on pregnancy rates. )


There's a fascinating technique that involves injecting a gel substance into the vas deferens.  Sperm are killed as they pass through it.  IDK how that affects their taste. But it's supposed to last up to 10 years between injections. It's used in India and the FDA is looking at it for the U. S.
 
2013-05-01 01:52:28 AM

BarkingUnicorn: teenage mutant ninja rapist: HoratioGates: The only problem I have with Plan B is I really can see some guys drugging girls with it.  I don't know if anyone has thought to do it yet, but it might not be a bad idea to make it have a really obvious taste, maybe even some dye so it can't be mixed in food.  That's probably a good idea for several drugs on the market.

Ah. So its a problem cause men.

got it

I expect parents of both sexes will slip Plan B to their daughters.  But mainly, it will be men doing it.


I give my kids medicine to prevent many undesirable health conditions. Thanks to vaccinations they are much less likely to catch polio, mumps, rubella, and pregnancy via her birth control pills. How is this any different?
 
2013-05-01 01:52:33 AM

BarkingUnicorn: teenage mutant ninja rapist: HoratioGates: The only problem I have with Plan B is I really can see some guys drugging girls with it.  I don't know if anyone has thought to do it yet, but it might not be a bad idea to make it have a really obvious taste, maybe even some dye so it can't be mixed in food.  That's probably a good idea for several drugs on the market.

Ah. So its a problem cause men.

got it

I expect parents of both sexes will slip Plan B to their daughters.  But mainly, it will be men doing it.


Like I said before. Plan b comes with side effects. Some can be serious.

when exactly is it that females will take responsibility for themselves and stop passing the buck onto men?
 
2013-05-01 01:56:42 AM

serpent_sky: serpent_sky: GoldSpider: Raharu: I have no kids, but I could go get a vasectomy scheduled tomorrow if I wanted. Just another way our society treats the ladies differently from men.

And an adult woman can get a tubal ligation scheduled tomorrow if she wanted.  I'm not sure what you're getting at with this line.

See my post... not really.

I tried for years, with Planned Parenthood and multiple private doctors, and they all said no.  They are not eager to do tubal ligations or Essure on women in general, but especially not women who have never had a baby, and especially not young women who have never had a baby.  Men have it significantly easier when it comes to getting a vasectomy - they're not considered as high of a risk for "changing their minds."  (And while I am sure <i>some</i> women do change their mind, I don't imagine all that many people have surgery that can't be reversed without giving it a lot of thought and changed minds are probably very rare.)

It's really not easy, and most doctors won't agree to do it.


I tried without success as well. One doctor said "oh no dear, not until you've had your children." Another said, "no, then you couldn't have children" as if I didn't know that a tubal meant not having children. That's why I want it you stupid biatch.

For some reason, most people don't believe a woman who says she never wants to have children. She's immediately told she'll change her mind. I've had people I've just met tell me there must be something wrong with me or that I'm not a "real" woman.

So no, a adult woman cannot get a tubal tomorrow.

I LOVE my current doctor because when I called for my first appointment with her, wanting to discuss Essure, I asked the receptionist if it was a requirement that I already had children. She said "no, the only requirement is that you don't want to have children in the future." The doctor never questioned my desire to never have children, she just answered my questions, made some additional recommendations and then did what I decided I wanted. That's a very rare thing.
 
2013-05-01 01:56:51 AM
All these headaches could be avoided if pharma companies would just develop a pill that prevents men from being able to get girls pregnant. I strongly believe that if a male contraceptive pill existed, not only would it be available over the counter right away, you'd find it in gumball machines in every bar in America. That shiat would outsell aspirin.
 
2013-05-01 01:57:43 AM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Bah. Nice try girly. Women are proffesional victims.


Ah, now we see your true colors.  Up until now, you could at least pretend you were about (your conception of) equal rights.

But you've lost plausible deniability now.  You flat-out admitted you simply hate women.

Not sure why you revealed yourself when you had been working so hard earlier to maintain a facade, but thank you.
 
2013-05-01 01:59:43 AM

Dusk-You-n-Me: teenage mutant ninja rapist: Bah. Nice try girly. Women are proffesional victims.
I pointed out a double standard. If genders were reversed you would be up in arms.

I'm a guy. So much for everything you assumed about me.


I'd guess that to a misogynist like ninja rapist, "girly" is about the worst insult he can imagine.
 
2013-05-01 02:00:34 AM

Without Fail: Primitive Screwhead: Preg-Not
Embry-No
Nary a Carry
Nay, Family Way
Mom Bomb
Junior, Miss
Inconceivable!
Mommy Not
Fetus Fail
Kiddie Kill
Poppa Stopper
Womb Broom
Humpty Dumpty
Baby-Maybe

Stop Pop


Blastula Bane
Uterine Sol
 
2013-05-01 02:03:12 AM

jst3p: BarkingUnicorn: teenage mutant ninja rapist: HoratioGates: The only problem I have with Plan B is I really can see some guys drugging girls with it.  I don't know if anyone has thought to do it yet, but it might not be a bad idea to make it have a really obvious taste, maybe even some dye so it can't be mixed in food.  That's probably a good idea for several drugs on the market.

Ah. So its a problem cause men.

got it

I expect parents of both sexes will slip Plan B to their daughters.  But mainly, it will be men doing it.

I give my kids medicine to prevent many undesirable health conditions. Thanks to vaccinations they are much less likely to catch polio, mumps, rubella, and pregnancy via her birth control pills. How is this any different?


What I expect is this:

"Mom, I'm pregnant!"
Mom slips Plan B into cereal.
Girl's still pregnant, with possible side effects

The boyfriends will slip it to them within 24 hours of sex.
 
2013-05-01 02:03:57 AM

Phins: I LOVE my current doctor because when I called for my first appointment with her, wanting to discuss Essure, I asked the receptionist if it was a requirement that I already had children. She said "no, the only requirement is that you don't want to have children in the future." The doctor never questioned my desire to never have children, she just answered my questions, made some additional recommendations and then did what I decided I wanted. That's a very rare thing.


In 2008, my SO and I were looking to become permanently child-free, despite neither of us having kids. We were just married. We went to an info session at the local Kaiser Permanente and they said, "You can do either a tubal ligation, a vasectomy, or both. Both are permanent; the TL is an invasive procedure that has a longer recovery period. Neither requires you to have consent of your spouse. TL has a 12-month waiting period, the vasectomy 6 weeks. What do you want to do?" Vasectomy it was! But this was in CA, so it may be more difficult in the more "woman exist solely to birth babies" states.
 
2013-05-01 02:05:04 AM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Like I said before. Plan b comes with side effects. Some can be serious.


Possible side effects:
Nausea, abdominal pain, fatigue, headache, menstrual change, dizziness, breast tenderness, vomiting, diarrhea.

When the alternative is an unwanted pregnancy these possible side effects are trivial.
 
2013-05-01 02:05:39 AM

Biological Ali: GoldSpider: Dusk-You-n-Me: Well it's immature, juvenile and unnecessary, but go for it if you'd like.

But "legally-binding" when told to a man.  Got it.

You don't even know what the hell you're trying to say anymore, do you?


From other threads I've gathered that  GoldSpider is a concern troll.    You can never be sure he means anything he says.  So I wouldn't suggest getting too involved in any discussion with him.

/and yes, his focus in other threads, as in this one, seems to be women's issues: abortion, birth control, rape, etc.  He's derailed quite a few Fark threads.
 
2013-05-01 02:06:39 AM

BarkingUnicorn: jst3p: BarkingUnicorn: teenage mutant ninja rapist: HoratioGates: The only problem I have with Plan B is I really can see some guys drugging girls with it.  I don't know if anyone has thought to do it yet, but it might not be a bad idea to make it have a really obvious taste, maybe even some dye so it can't be mixed in food.  That's probably a good idea for several drugs on the market.

Ah. So its a problem cause men.

got it

I expect parents of both sexes will slip Plan B to their daughters.  But mainly, it will be men doing it.

I give my kids medicine to prevent many undesirable health conditions. Thanks to vaccinations they are much less likely to catch polio, mumps, rubella, and pregnancy via her birth control pills. How is this any different?

What I expect is this:

"Mom, I'm pregnant!"
Mom slips Plan B into cereal.
Girl's still pregnant, with possible side effects

The boyfriends will slip it to them within 24 hours of sex.



Well, then, you go get an abortion. Christ, just because someone learns to make scrambled eggs at home doesn't mean they don't occassionally still go over to Denny's.
 
2013-05-01 02:09:40 AM

red5ish: teenage mutant ninja rapist: Like I said before. Plan b comes with side effects. Some can be serious.

Possible side effects:
Nausea, abdominal pain, fatigue, headache, menstrual change, dizziness, breast tenderness, vomiting, diarrhea.

When the alternative is an unwanted pregnancy these possible side effects are trivial.



Plus, aren't those the same side effects pregnant women go through? So, it's a wash.
 
2013-05-01 02:09:43 AM

shortymac: AWESOME!!!!!

This means less abortions and teen pregnancy!

/Sadly most pro-life/anti-abortionist will not get that


The anti abortion thumpers aren't concerned about "abortions" in this case. Their goal is to stop people from farking, unless it's in the dark, with wedding rings on, in the missionary position, in silence, under the blankets, with only the pubic areas exposed and touching, and only when ab-so-farking-lutely necessary to impregnate the female. Otherwise there will be CONSEQUENCES! *cue fiery pits of hell music*

Anti-sex, anti-fun, anti-abortion. It's a package deal.
 
2013-05-01 02:11:16 AM

Mike Chewbacca: But this was in CA, so it may be more difficult in the more "woman exist solely to birth babies" states.


Which are the "women exist solely to make sammiches" states? This interests me more.
 
2013-05-01 02:11:57 AM

BarkingUnicorn: UNC_Samurai: Raharu: BarkingUnicorn: Raharu: teenage mutant ninja rapist: Popcorn Johnny: Aarontology: Because they're two entirely different issues.

How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.

Nope. They dont. You have a right to keep a watchfull eye on your child. If you fail in that respect its your own damn fault.

birth control should be a human right in the same vein as food and water

Just jumped right the cliff with the shark, didn't you?

Not everything you think people deserve is a human right.

True, but you know what. I honestly believe birth control is one of the best things ever invented.
Giving women and men the ability to enjoy themselves, and yet not be shackled to biology, opens so many doors.

Actually, the UN has taken the position that reproductive health is a human right.  This includes birth control.  And that's absolutely the correct position, because easy, safe, and affordable access to reproductive health goods and services is a matter not only of individual health and welfare, but it's also a significant public health issue.

Fark the UN, too.  Health and well-being are not human rights.  It is not incumbent upon others to provide them to you.  It may be in the self-interest of others, but that's a different story.


How sociopathic of you.
 
2013-05-01 02:12:00 AM

stoli n coke: BarkingUnicorn: jst3p: BarkingUnicorn: teenage mutant ninja rapist: HoratioGates: The only problem I have with Plan B is I really can see some guys drugging girls with it.  I don't know if anyone has thought to do it yet, but it might not be a bad idea to make it have a really obvious taste, maybe even some dye so it can't be mixed in food.  That's probably a good idea for several drugs on the market.

Ah. So its a problem cause men.

got it

I expect parents of both sexes will slip Plan B to their daughters.  But mainly, it will be men doing it.

I give my kids medicine to prevent many undesirable health conditions. Thanks to vaccinations they are much less likely to catch polio, mumps, rubella, and pregnancy via her birth control pills. How is this any different?

What I expect is this:

"Mom, I'm pregnant!"
Mom slips Plan B into cereal.
Girl's still pregnant, with possible side effects

The boyfriends will slip it to them within 24 hours of sex.


Well, then, you go get an abortion. Christ, just because someone learns to make scrambled eggs at home doesn't mean they don't occassionally still go over to Denny's.


Well, if an abortion will make Mom feel better about becoming a grandma, fine.  IDK what the boyfriend's gonna do.
 
2013-05-01 02:13:25 AM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: neongoats: teenage mutant ninja rapist: As a man I basically cant work in child care.

That's basically true(though not technically legally true), and a good point. Men are simply not trusted to care for children. At all.

Is it just an industry unwilling to accept gender equality that goes the "wrong" way? Men that want to work closely with children are pretty much just assumed to be creepy, potential child molesters. Which isn't to say that I want to work at a day care. I could barely stand myself as a child =p

This. I dont want to work in child care either. Nor be a school teacher. However I also know that it basically isnt an option.
women have whatever option they want. Men basically do to.
except for a few industries. Like child care and increasingly teaching.

it is what it is. I dont care. Nor do I biatch about it. Im just saying the double standard exists.


Yeah, that totally sucks for guys. Meanwhile:

media.tumblr.com
www.scarletknights.com
mlb.mlb.com
upload.wikimedia.org

But it totally farking sucks that men have a difficult time getting low-wage jobs working day care.

www.american-buddha.com
 
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