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2013-04-30 11:52:23 PM  

Haliburton Cummings: OMGWTFBBQ RELEASES WTC DECADE AFTER PILL

false flag etc etc


A SECOND PENIS HAS HIT THE SOUTH TOWER
 
2013-04-30 11:52:32 PM  

Qellaqan: TomD9938: I wonder who we will have lost.

You know it isn't a zero-sum game.... right?

Girls and women who use this and who get abortions can go onto have children. Kids they maybe wouldn't have had if they were forced to have this one. Kids they in all likelihood will be better equipped to raise, since studies show women tend to make good judgements as to whether or not they can afford a child when they have an abortion. But no, lost kids.



No, no, no, don't you understand?  Our Christian nation needs a quiverfull!  We need more white, Christian babies!
 
2013-04-30 11:52:44 PM  

GoldSpider: PsiChick: If you're using any type of hormonal BC, you need an adult a doctor explaining to you exactly what it's going to do.

Let's be sure it's someone who is actually qualified to explain such things.


Yeah, on second thought, that makes sense.

skullkrusher: I still don't think a 13 year old is qualified to make decisions about what hormones she is gonna take even with the best sex ed evar.


See:Doctors. (Because I agree, but if she's at risk of getting pregnant, carrying to term is  far worse than taking the pill. And it makes you pretty damn sick.)

teenage mutant ninja rapist: I said it before. And though I only oberved 1 woman use it.
it made her violently ill. For 48 hours. So people of the opinion that it gives women the ability to have unprotected sex as they please are WRONG. It is a very massive dose of hormone.

no woman is gonna take up the morning after pill in leiu of actual birth control. Why would they?

besides that what business is it of your what someone else does with their body? or puts in it?

the answer is none


Actually, the symptoms are why I want kids to have supervision when taking it. Kids are stupid. I'd really, really like to minimize the 'kids did stupid shiat with Plan B' headlines.
 
2013-04-30 11:54:01 PM  
party at my house
 
2013-04-30 11:54:59 PM  

Anthracite: TheOnion: Popcorn Johnny: So it's not legal for a 15 year old to consent to sex, but it's just fine if she buys a morning after pill without parental permission? Not really understanding the logic behind that decision.

Should we also ban the purchase of contraception?

Also, it's legal for a 15 year old to have sex with another 15 year old.  And they do it all the time without worrying much about the law (and would continue to do so even if it were illegal).  Since this is going to happen anyway, we would at least like to limit the number of children produced from the activity.

You are assuming that a 15 yr old has the brains to make that decision. I highly doubt it. There is a reason why they can't drive, vote or drink legally at that age.


Because no 15 year olds get drunk, ever. Making something illegal does not make it stop.

And this doesn't matter anyway because no one's going to give the kid $40 to buy plan b.
 
2013-04-30 11:56:58 PM  

fusillade762: megarian: Begoggle: I just killed some skin cells by scratching myself.

YOU MONSTER

I'm going to clip my nails now AND THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO STOP ME!



Haha!  Joke's on you!  Nails are made of keratin, not living cells!

/Whew.  Dodged a bullet with that one.
//Now where did that powdered rhino horn go?
 
2013-04-30 11:57:28 PM  

megarian: teenage mutant ninja rapist: To be honest for the people reading this thinking im a prick or an mra let me put it like this.

I love women. I just dont want my childeren taken from me.
birth control for everyone that wants it. Its only the right thing to do.

but please ladies stop the persecution complex. Your are not discriminated against in north america in this day and age.
like I said. Male vs female is a farked up attitude.

so is getting knocked up and holding a mans feet to the fire for money because its easier than getting a job.

anyone reading this should know that feminist or mra.
they dont have your best interest at heart. They care more about a false principal than anything tangible

I have a question and I absolutely mean no snark:

What do you make of the pay gap between men and women at similar/identical jobs? I know it's a closing gap and not all-encompassing, but I'm just curious about your take on it. Thanks.


My though is this.
it doesnt matter. Men and women work different jobs in different industires. I know women wanna complain that they work a job where a man with the same would make more. Oh well. As a man I basically cant work in child care.
oh well.

men and women arent the same and never will be. No matter how many equal rights you sign into law or how many anti discrimination laws exist. There will always be a difference. as far as legal standing goes. Equality needs to exists. Especially in family law. For the good of the child. And the grandparents.

trying to make every dollar and cent equal is a futile effort. Mabey not futile but I think that its really not the issue that it gets made out to be. Ive been the primary money maker and Ive been with women that earn more money than I do.

a couple should be a team. Working together. Different gender means different career options. For some its a good thing for some not so much. But I dont think you can make every buck earned totally equal. Every employee isnt equal.

its just money. With a roof and food at hand a couple should concentrate on loving and supporting eachother. Not competing for dollars made.

society as a whole values money to much.

your born with nothing. You die with nothing. What have you lost? Nothing.

just money. It will never be equal. Its the nature of the pay check.
 
2013-04-30 11:58:13 PM  

Infernalist: Primitive Screwhead: Preg-Not
Embry-No
Nary a Carry
Nay, Family Way
Mom Bomb
Junior, Miss
Inconceivable!
Mommy Not
Fetus Fail
Kiddie Kill
Poppa Stopper
Womb Broom
Humpty Dumpty
Baby-Maybe

Winnar!


You'd like to think so, wouldn't you!  You fell for one of the classic blunders!
 
2013-04-30 11:58:43 PM  
Well good.
 
2013-05-01 12:00:22 AM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: To be honest for the people reading this thinking im a prick or an mra let me put it like this.

I love women. I just dont want my childeren taken from me.
birth control for everyone that wants it. Its only the right thing to do.

but please ladies stop the persecution complex. Your are not discriminated against in north america in this day and age.
like I said. Male vs female is a farked up attitude.

so is getting knocked up and holding a mans feet to the fire for money because its easier than getting a job.

anyone reading this should know that feminist or mra.
they dont have your best interest at heart. They care more about a false principal than anything tangible


I've been watching the whole conversation and back and forth with you and I think folks on this site have been remarkably patient with you seeing as how you didn't listen to what they were saying and stuck stubbornly to your own beliefs on what you *thought* they were saying.  You seem to already know everything about how the world works and you have all the answers, why are you even here?  Go, live in the knowledge that you are absolutely right about everything and they are absolutely wrong!
 
2013-05-01 12:01:50 AM  
I'll sum this thread up as this:

Aren't we all glad our moms had us?

/love your mom
//and kiss her
 
2013-05-01 12:04:38 AM  
Do I have to enter my pasword every time I post or is it a conspiracy?  Sheesh.....
 
2013-05-01 12:06:20 AM  

TaterTot_HotDish: teenage mutant ninja rapist: To be honest for the people reading this thinking im a prick or an mra let me put it like this.

I love women. I just dont want my childeren taken from me.
birth control for everyone that wants it. Its only the right thing to do.

but please ladies stop the persecution complex. Your are not discriminated against in north america in this day and age.
like I said. Male vs female is a farked up attitude.

so is getting knocked up and holding a mans feet to the fire for money because its easier than getting a job.

anyone reading this should know that feminist or mra.
they dont have your best interest at heart. They care more about a false principal than anything tangible

I've been watching the whole conversation and back and forth with you and I think folks on this site have been remarkably patient with you seeing as how you didn't listen to what they were saying and stuck stubbornly to your own beliefs on what you *thought* they were saying.  You seem to already know everything about how the world works and you have all the answers, why are you even here?  Go, live in the knowledge that you are absolutely right about everything and they are absolutely wrong!


Patient with me? This is the internet. More importantly fark.
im not gonna change anyones mind. Probably nobody will change mind. My opinions are all based off of real world events that happend to me personally. So unless someone else can tell me how the situation effected them on a personal level than I gotta say I am right.

world of difference between an opinion that someone feels strongly about but has no connection to vs an opinion bsed off of shiat that actually happend to them
 
2013-05-01 12:07:12 AM  

HairBolus: fusillade762: Just out of curiosity: how does a 15-year-old prove their age?

show their tits?


It's not that hard to get a photo id with your birthdate from either the federal or state government in the USA.  You're not required to, but if you want one, it's not difficult.  Go to your local department of motor vehicles.  They issue identity cards that work like diver licenses except for that "able to drive a car" part.
 
2013-05-01 12:12:07 AM  

ciberido: HairBolus: fusillade762: Just out of curiosity: how does a 15-year-old prove their age?

show their tits?

It's not that hard to get a photo id with your birthdate from either the federal or state government in the USA.  You're not required to, but if you want one, it's not difficult.  Go to your local department of motor vehicles.  They issue identity cards that work like diver licenses except for that "able to drive a car" part.


You still have to prove who you are which requires a birth certificate which most likely is in the possession of your parents.

/can just imagine that conversation
 
2013-05-01 12:12:25 AM  

trialpha: Wasteland: trialpha: hardinparamedic: That's the point you're missing, though. It's not about you, or the man. It's about the offspring you created, and what's best for it.

If you're so concerned about what's best for the child, then why is the woman permitted to abort it in the first place? Why is it fair to the child that it can be destroyed for the sake of a woman, in effect, avoiding 9 months of discomfort?

Depends on what point in the process you consider it to have become a child.
(Be prepared to support your answer...)

I wasn't the one who brought up fairness to the child in this argument. My point is that if it is to be considered an actor in the decision as to whether or not it's fair to lock a man into paying child support to it prior to birth then it should be in the decision as to whether or not to abort it. Or, since it is not born, and thus doesn't have rights at all, it shouldn't be considered in either.



...which, again, depends on exactly what point in the process you consider it to have become a child.  "What's fair to the offspring you've created," that is, child support and related responsibilities, only requires one acknowledge personhood will begin once the child has actually been born.  The abortion-decision argument you've put forth requires that one assume personhood begins before then, at the time the decision is made; and the comparison fails, if one does not.
 
2013-05-01 12:12:49 AM  

serpent_sky: Popcorn Johnny: So it's not legal for a 15 year old to consent to sex, but it's just fine if she buys a morning after pill without parental permission? Not really understanding the logic behind that decision.

I'd say it works the same way as a 15-year-old is able to buy condoms.


Sometimes that is difficult.
 
2013-05-01 12:13:05 AM  
A lot of people arguing in favor of unwanted pregnancies. Not sure why.
Some seem to think that the Plan B pill is equivalent to abortion. That's factually incorrect.
 
2013-05-01 12:14:25 AM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: As a man I basically cant work in child care.


That's basically true(though not technically legally true), and a good point. Men are simply not trusted to care for children. At all.

Is it just an industry unwilling to accept gender equality that goes the "wrong" way? Men that want to work closely with children are pretty much just assumed to be creepy, potential child molesters. Which isn't to say that I want to work at a day care. I could barely stand myself as a child =p
 
2013-05-01 12:22:16 AM  

red5ish: A lot of people arguing in favor of unwanted pregnancies. Not sure why.
Some seem to think that the Plan B pill is equivalent to abortion. That's factually incorrect.


sometimes yes, sometimes no. Usually no.
 
2013-05-01 12:24:12 AM  

neongoats: teenage mutant ninja rapist: As a man I basically cant work in child care.

That's basically true(though not technically legally true), and a good point. Men are simply not trusted to care for children. At all.

Is it just an industry unwilling to accept gender equality that goes the "wrong" way? Men that want to work closely with children are pretty much just assumed to be creepy, potential child molesters. Which isn't to say that I want to work at a day care. I could barely stand myself as a child =p


This. I dont want to work in child care either. Nor be a school teacher. However I also know that it basically isnt an option.
women have whatever option they want. Men basically do to.
except for a few industries. Like child care and increasingly teaching.

it is what it is. I dont care. Nor do I biatch about it. Im just saying the double standard exists.
 
2013-05-01 12:24:48 AM  

neongoats: But what if you were ejaculating out the sperm that was supposed to be Jesus?


If Jesus is the son of God, and I was ejaculating a little Jesus-swimmer, that'd make me God himself.

/ off to the Politics tab!
 
2013-05-01 12:28:34 AM  

hardinparamedic: GoldSpider: So can she, but telling a woman who doesn't want to get pregnant to keep her legs closed is considered culturally regressive anymore.

Oh boo hoo. People can have sex and not get pregnant. I know the thought of not being able to control the life of another person both terrifies and fills you with anger, but it is what it is.

That's what this really boils down to. Wanting to enforce your control and semblance of morality onto others.

The fact of the matter is, as a man, you made the conscious decision to penetrate her. You made the decision not to wear a condom and not use spermicide. You made the decision to vigorously thrust yourself for four or five seconds until you reached climax, and then you made the decision to ejaculate inside of her.

So tell me again how you didn't have a choice in the matter?

Hint: Babies don't come from the ass, mouth, or any other anatomical part you have a fetish for, buddy.


I made millions of 'hand-babies' reading this post.
 
2013-05-01 12:31:46 AM  

TomD9938: neongoats: But what if you were ejaculating out the sperm that was supposed to be Jesus?

If Jesus is the son of God, and I was ejaculating a little Jesus-swimmer, that'd make me God himself.

/ off to the Politics tab!


How do you figure. An all knowing, all seeing, all powerful god could just magick the winning sperm into the jesus sperm. Far easier than majicking up a body for Himself, with fully functional reproductive system.
 
2013-05-01 12:32:00 AM  

skullkrusher: PsiChick: kronicfeld: Popcorn Johnny: Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.

Which is why all other consumer transactions involving minors require parental consent?

I'm (and I hate myself for saying this) actually on the fundie side with this one. The pill does actually alter your hormones. If you're using any type of hormonal BC, you need an adult explaining to you exactly what it's going to do.

'Course, we could solve that problem with  realistic sex ed, but noo, it's 'Murika, Land of the Uneducated Free!

I still don't think a 13 year old is qualified to make decisions about what hormones she is gonna take even with the best sex ed evar.


And why not?  Just because "hormones" without any explanation of what there is to fear?
 
2013-05-01 12:34:38 AM  

ryant123: Popcorn Johnny: The Why Not Guy: It prevents conception from taking place.

Conception is fertilization. Plan B does not prevent fertilization.

That's wrong.


These pills can do any of three things depending on when in a woman's cycle they are taken:

1. prevent ovulation
2. prevent fertilization
3. prevent attachment
 
2013-05-01 12:36:12 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: 3. prevent attachment


socialnewsdaily.com
 
2013-05-01 12:36:42 AM  

neongoats: TomD9938: neongoats: But what if you were ejaculating out the sperm that was supposed to be Jesus?

If Jesus is the son of God, and I was ejaculating a little Jesus-swimmer, that'd make me God himself.

/ off to the Politics tab!

How do you figure. An all knowing, all seeing, all powerful god could just magick the winning sperm into the jesus sperm. Far easier than majicking up a body for Himself, with fully functional reproductive system.


So you're saying I'm more of a "Hitler-Baby" candidate then?
 
2013-05-01 12:37:00 AM  

moothemagiccow: And this doesn't matter anyway because no one's going to give the kid $40 to buy plan b.


Any pregnant 15 year-old is perfectly capable of getting forty bucks.
 
2013-05-01 12:38:34 AM  

Uranus Is Huge!: hardinparamedic: GoldSpider: So can she, but telling a woman who doesn't want to get pregnant to keep her legs closed is considered culturally regressive anymore.

Oh boo hoo. People can have sex and not get pregnant. I know the thought of not being able to control the life of another person both terrifies and fills you with anger, but it is what it is.

That's what this really boils down to. Wanting to enforce your control and semblance of morality onto others.

The fact of the matter is, as a man, you made the conscious decision to penetrate her. You made the decision not to wear a condom and not use spermicide. You made the decision to vigorously thrust yourself for four or five seconds until you reached climax, and then you made the decision to ejaculate inside of her.

So tell me again how you didn't have a choice in the matter?

Hint: Babies don't come from the ass, mouth, or any other anatomical part you have a fetish for, buddy.

I made millions of 'hand-babies' reading this post.


Every sperm is sacred
 
2013-05-01 12:39:53 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: Any pregnant 15 year-old is perfectly capable of getting forty bucks.


www.candywarehouse.com

//damn..I swallowed a filling.
 
2013-05-01 12:41:52 AM  
so a girl can get a morning after pill but can't get her ear pierced or take a Tylenol in school without permission from their parents.

go figure.
 
2013-05-01 12:45:05 AM  
Forgive me if you've read my solution before:

Temporarily sterilize everyone at birth.
Reverse sterilization when a person qualifies for a mortgage
Pay off the ones that can't be reversed for some reason.

Yeah, some will go broke after becoming fertile or breeding.  But a lot of shiat would be avoided.
 
2013-05-01 12:47:58 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: Forgive me if you've read my solution before:

Temporarily sterilize everyone at birth.
Reverse sterilization when a person qualifies for a mortgage
Pay off the ones that can't be reversed for some reason.

Yeah, some will go broke after becoming fertile or breeding.  But a lot of shiat would be avoided.


I bet you cant wait to invade poland
 
2013-05-01 12:54:41 AM  

Infernalist: legion_of_doo: this is less disgusting than abortion, but a laissez faire attitude towards public health issues is as irresponsible as allowing banking to say "whatever I do what I want"

parents should be involved in the health of their children. "kids will be kids" is not parenting, and never has been. if boys act in an irresponsible way, you intervene. why shouldn't the same apply too girls? somehow, when sex is involved, both the fundies and the libtards get crazy unrealistic opinions... it's frustrating. if we can stop guns and violent video games going directly to kids, why not drugs with obvious areas where parents should be informed?

I'm sorry. just because you disagree with some (backwards) parents doesn't mean your way is right either.

I do know girls who got pregnant in high school and had their babies, so all the screeching about "ruined for life" is as equally damning from the moralist fundies as from the child killing left.

I appreciate the administration trying to have a measured response to the courts, however. bravo Obama.

/I like radical fundies as much as I like radical abortionists.

What exactly is a radical abortionist?


A figment of his imagination.
 
2013-05-01 12:54:58 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: ryant123: Popcorn Johnny: The Why Not Guy: It prevents conception from taking place.

Conception is fertilization. Plan B does not prevent fertilization.

That's wrong.

These pills can do any of three things depending on when in a woman's cycle they are taken:

1. prevent ovulation
2. prevent fertilization
3. prevent attachment


But Plan B doesn't prevent attachment. It doesn't do that. I'm not sure how many other ways to state the fact that it does not prevent attachment. Here is me trying: You are wrong. If you believe it prevents attachment, you believe a falsehood. If you say it prevents attachment, you are stating a falsehood. If you knowingly do so, it is not just a falsiloquium, it is a mendacium. I.e., you're lying.
 
2013-05-01 12:56:05 AM  
You probably don't have to go back much further than your great grandmother to see 15-year  old girls getting married and having kids. It's still quite usual in many parts of the world.
 
2013-05-01 12:58:57 AM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: BarkingUnicorn: Forgive me if you've read my solution before:

Temporarily sterilize everyone at birth.
Reverse sterilization when a person qualifies for a mortgage
Pay off the ones that can't be reversed for some reason.

Yeah, some will go broke after becoming fertile or breeding.  But a lot of shiat would be avoided.

I bet you cant wait to invade poland


Why?  You think Polacks would buy this solution?

We have enough people now that we can afford to be picky about who else comes into the world and the people who will raise them.  Indiscriminate breeding is bad for society, the species, the planet, and individuals who can't afford it.
 
2013-05-01 01:00:07 AM  

ryant123: BarkingUnicorn: ryant123: Popcorn Johnny: The Why Not Guy: It prevents conception from taking place.

Conception is fertilization. Plan B does not prevent fertilization.

That's wrong.

These pills can do any of three things depending on when in a woman's cycle they are taken:

1. prevent ovulation
2. prevent fertilization
3. prevent attachment

But Plan B doesn't prevent attachment. It doesn't do that. I'm not sure how many other ways to state the fact that it does not prevent attachment. Here is me trying: You are wrong. If you believe it prevents attachment, you believe a falsehood. If you say it prevents attachment, you are stating a falsehood. If you knowingly do so, it is not just a falsiloquium, it is a mendacium. I.e., you're lying.


From the Plan B website

Plan B One-Step® is one pill that has a higher dose of levonorgestrel, a hormone found in many birth control pills that healthcare professionals have been prescribing for several decades. Plan B One-Step® works in a similar way to help prevent pregnancy from happening. It works mainly by stopping the release of an egg from the ovary. It is possible that Plan B One-Step® may also work by preventing fertilization of an egg (the uniting of the sperm with the egg) or by preventing attachment (implantation) to the uterus (womb).
 
2013-05-01 01:00:32 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: teenage mutant ninja rapist: BarkingUnicorn: Forgive me if you've read my solution before:

Temporarily sterilize everyone at birth.
Reverse sterilization when a person qualifies for a mortgage
Pay off the ones that can't be reversed for some reason.

Yeah, some will go broke after becoming fertile or breeding.  But a lot of shiat would be avoided.

I bet you cant wait to invade poland

Why?  You think Polacks would buy this solution?


Would this be the final solution?
 
2013-05-01 01:01:39 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: You think Polacks would buy this solution?


Nah, it doesn't have quite the same degree of "finality" that they're used to in their solutions.
 
2013-05-01 01:02:31 AM  

skullkrusher: ryant123: BarkingUnicorn: ryant123: Popcorn Johnny: The Why Not Guy: It prevents conception from taking place.

Conception is fertilization. Plan B does not prevent fertilization.

That's wrong.

These pills can do any of three things depending on when in a woman's cycle they are taken:

1. prevent ovulation
2. prevent fertilization
3. prevent attachment

But Plan B doesn't prevent attachment. It doesn't do that. I'm not sure how many other ways to state the fact that it does not prevent attachment. Here is me trying: You are wrong. If you believe it prevents attachment, you believe a falsehood. If you say it prevents attachment, you are stating a falsehood. If you knowingly do so, it is not just a falsiloquium, it is a mendacium. I.e., you're lying.

From the Plan B website

Plan B One-Step® is one pill that has a higher dose of levonorgestrel, a hormone found in many birth control pills that healthcare professionals have been prescribing for several decades. Plan B One-Step® works in a similar way to help prevent pregnancy from happening. It works mainly by stopping the release of an egg from the ovary. It is possible that Plan B One-Step® may also work by preventing fertilization of an egg (the uniting of the sperm with the egg) or by preventing attachment (implantation) to the uterus (womb).


ohsnapflowchart.jpg
 
2013-05-01 01:04:50 AM  

skullkrusher: It is possible that Plan B One-Step® may also work by preventing fertilization of an egg (the uniting of the sperm with the egg) or by preventing attachment (implantation) to the uterus (womb).


LLLLLLLLLLIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIES AND CONSPIRACYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!

*secures tin foil condom*
 
2013-05-01 01:05:17 AM  

BarkingUnicorn:

Why you be so stupid?

 
2013-05-01 01:06:28 AM  

ryant123: BarkingUnicorn: ryant123: Popcorn Johnny: The Why Not Guy: It prevents conception from taking place.

Conception is fertilization. Plan B does not prevent fertilization.

That's wrong.

These pills can do any of three things depending on when in a woman's cycle they are taken:

1. prevent ovulation
2. prevent fertilization
3. prevent attachment

But Plan B doesn't prevent attachment. It doesn't do that. I'm not sure how many other ways to state the fact that it does not prevent attachment. Here is me trying: You are wrong. If you believe it prevents attachment, you believe a falsehood. If you say it prevents attachment, you are stating a falsehood. If you knowingly do so, it is not just a falsiloquium, it is a mendacium. I.e., you're lying.


Even the makers of Plan B say it "may."  So I wouldn't be so certain.

But now I find there is some recent research that casts doubt on that theory.
 
2013-05-01 01:11:16 AM  

Harry_Seldon: BarkingUnicorn: teenage mutant ninja rapist: BarkingUnicorn: Forgive me if you've read my solution before:

Temporarily sterilize everyone at birth.
Reverse sterilization when a person qualifies for a mortgage
Pay off the ones that can't be reversed for some reason.

Yeah, some will go broke after becoming fertile or breeding.  But a lot of shiat would be avoided.

I bet you cant wait to invade poland

Why?  You think Polacks would buy this solution?

Would this be the final solution?


Please.  This is the land of equal opportunity.  Everyone would have the chance to breed.
 
2013-05-01 01:12:05 AM  

ryant123: But Plan B doesn't prevent attachment.


QFT
Here comes the science:
Plan B prevents ovulation. Plan B contains a high dose of synthetic progestin which prevents the release of an egg from the ovary.
 
2013-05-01 01:13:14 AM  
I do believe on the whole there is a need to consider men's rights as a gender, if not for equality, then for the overall health of society. With all due respect to the posters expousing feminist ideals and simultaneously dismissing men for identifying that sociatel experiences for men are not in fact advantaged or even equitable in all regards: Slow the fark down and consider the absolute hypocrisy, we need to value both genders for the different things they bring to our society.

For the men upset about child care without control over abortion choices: fark you! You have a choice to use birth control. If you bring a child into this society it is no longer just about yours, the woman's, and the child's rights, it impacts MY life as well. You get choice, you get the responsibility, NOT me!
 
2013-05-01 01:14:51 AM  

skullkrusher: ryant123: BarkingUnicorn: ryant123: Popcorn Johnny: The Why Not Guy: It prevents conception from taking place.

Conception is fertilization. Plan B does not prevent fertilization.

That's wrong.

These pills can do any of three things depending on when in a woman's cycle they are taken:

1. prevent ovulation
2. prevent fertilization
3. prevent attachment

But Plan B doesn't prevent attachment. It doesn't do that. I'm not sure how many other ways to state the fact that it does not prevent attachment. Here is me trying: You are wrong. If you believe it prevents attachment, you believe a falsehood. If you say it prevents attachment, you are stating a falsehood. If you knowingly do so, it is not just a falsiloquium, it is a mendacium. I.e., you're lying.

From the Plan B website

Plan B One-Step® is one pill that has a higher dose of levonorgestrel, a hormone found in many birth control pills that healthcare professionals have been prescribing for several decades. Plan B One-Step® works in a similar way to help prevent pregnancy from happening. It works mainly by stopping the release of an egg from the ovary. It is possible that Plan B One-Step® may also work by preventing fertilization of an egg (the uniting of the sperm with the egg) or by preventing attachment (implantation) to the uterus (womb).


That's probably mandated by the FDA or something. It's still  wrong

After The Times asked about this issue, A.D.A.M., the firm that writes medical entries for the National Institutes of Health Web site, deleted passages suggesting emergency contraceptives could disrupt implantation. The Times, which uses A.D.A.M.'s content on its health Web page, updated its site. The medical editor in chief of the Web site for the Mayo Clinic, Dr. Roger W. Harms, said "we are champing at the bit" to revise the entry if the Food and Drug Administration changes labels or other agencies make official pronouncements.
 
2013-05-01 01:15:02 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: ryant123: BarkingUnicorn: ryant123: Popcorn Johnny: The Why Not Guy: It prevents conception from taking place.

Conception is fertilization. Plan B does not prevent fertilization.

That's wrong.

These pills can do any of three things depending on when in a woman's cycle they are taken:

1. prevent ovulation
2. prevent fertilization
3. prevent attachment

But Plan B doesn't prevent attachment. It doesn't do that. I'm not sure how many other ways to state the fact that it does not prevent attachment. Here is me trying: You are wrong. If you believe it prevents attachment, you believe a falsehood. If you say it prevents attachment, you are stating a falsehood. If you knowingly do so, it is not just a falsiloquium, it is a mendacium. I.e., you're lying.

Even the makers of Plan B say it "may."  So I wouldn't be so certain.

But now I find there is some recent research that casts doubt on that theory.


From your link:

It turns out that the politically charged debate over morning-after pills and abortion, a divisive issue in this election year, is probably rooted in outdated or incorrect scientific guesses about how the pills work. Because they block creation of fertilized eggs, they would not meet abortion opponents' definition of abortion-inducing drugs. In contrast a medication prescribed for terminating pregnancies, destroys implanted embryos.


WTF why you so stupid?
 
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