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2013-04-30 10:08:55 PM  

GoldSpider: JenFromTheWood: And reiterated that while I do not condone her having sex (she hasn't yet) if something should ever happen and she has a reason to think contraception may have failed, to let me know immediately as she would now have a back up.

Now you may never know, on both counts.


As long as she's getting medical care and ensuring that nothing ill will come of her choices, does it even matter?
 
2013-04-30 10:09:18 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: UNC_Samurai: Heaven forbid a young women get access to contraception or fertilization prevention if her parents don't believe in providing it.

Who said she couldn't get it? I'm saying that the parents should be notified after she does.


So you're advocating an increased risk of child abuse?  Good to know.
 
2013-04-30 10:09:24 PM  

ryant123: TomD9938: ryant123: TomD9938: ryant123: If girls have sex, parents shouldn't be allowed to force them to compromise their health by going through an unwanted pregnancy, or to have their vaginas ripped apart in childbirth against their will.

And if my 15 year old wants to keep the baby?  Can I compel her to abort, seeing as I'd be the one raising another child?

Wait, it's against the law for you not to raise your child's kid?


I'm asking if the choice is mine (since she's in my custody) as to whether the birth happens.

Uh...no? Is that the obvious answer you were looking for?


Do you know this for a fact?  I genuinely don't know where the law is on this.

An abortion is just a medical procedure, that in this hypothetical, I have deemed necessary for my minor child.

Seems a simple matter of choice.
 
2013-04-30 10:09:31 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: I never ventured into what happens after the child is born.


Except legally they aren't a separate issue, not while laws are in place that automatically obligate an unwilling father to pay child support.
 
2013-04-30 10:09:36 PM  
Awesome.... we can have abortion parties.
 
2013-04-30 10:09:54 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: hardinparamedic: They already have. And they protect the rights of the minor to confidentiality when it comes to consensual sexual matters.

They've already passed laws based on a decision that was just made today? Wow, that's some effective governing. I guarantee you that there are going to be a lot of states passing laws requiring parental notification for this.


State law may not contravene or supersede established federal law in most cases.
 
2013-04-30 10:09:59 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: teenage mutant ninja rapist: It seemed to me that you think

Well it seems to you wrong. I never ventured into what happens after the child is born. That is, AGAIN, a whole separate issue and your insistence on putting me on the other side of whatever slight you perceived in your relationship does not make it my opinion. This personal sh*t you've got going on, which I'm not making fun of because we've all got our problems, has nothing to do with me or my argument. If you feel like a victim, my argument has nothing to do with it.


I dont feel like a victim. What I think is that the me first attitude that women in general. And yourself seem to have. Is causing this debate a big pile of problems. What should be a unified front is being wasted on an us vs them attitude.

my original point still stands. Just becuase the woman gestates doesnt make her opinion more valid or worth more than a mans.

sorry but it doesnt. You can frame it however you please.
but it takes 2 to tango. It takes a villiage to raise a child.
and nasty breakups aside the man is with her every step of the way.

like I said. Boy vs girl is a convenient way to divide and conquer dissent on the issue
 
2013-04-30 10:10:07 PM  

bemused outsider: I'd like to hear the ladies reaction to the FDA action.


They're all standing in line at Walgreens.
 
2013-04-30 10:11:10 PM  

GORDON: Awesome.... we can have abortion parties.


We already throw those here.

(There are a lot of stairs in our house.)
 
2013-04-30 10:11:11 PM  

gameshowhost: Thread's too long to read.  Can someone just tell me who's butthurt so far?  TYIA


i18.photobucket.com

Haven't had a chance to tabulate the forms yet - we're a little short handed tonight.
 
2013-04-30 10:11:34 PM  

UNC_Samurai: So you're advocating an increased risk of child abuse?  Good to know.


So I guess you're against schools notifying parents of what goes on, police notifying parents when their kid gets in trouble, setting curfews for kids, making kids do homework and ten thousand farking other things parents are entitled to know about the kids they raise.
 
2013-04-30 10:11:44 PM  

digitalrain: I am asking if you are cool with the idea of parents aborting their unborn child because it is the
"wrong" gender. Or, extrapolating a little further, if DNA testing of the amniotic fluid (which does
carry the baby's cells) shows that the baby has the genetic predisposition for the "wrong" color
eyes or hair, would you be okay with aborting for those reason as well?


If you're asking my personal opinion, yes, I have a problem with abortion (not birth control or emergency contraception) being used for eugenics purposes. Being pro-choice does not make me cheer for abortions to happen. However, I do not have ANY problem with a person terminating their pregnancy if they learn their offspring will have a terminal or eventually fatal disease, like Huntingdon's Chorea or IEMs.

However, that's my personal opinion. And I sure as hell won't use it to force my will on others to control their womb.

Popcorn Johnny: They've already passed laws based on a decision that was just made today? Wow, that's some effective governing. I guarantee you that there are going to be a lot of states passing laws requiring parental notification for this.


That's nice. In reality, however, they passed laws around 10 years back for emergency contraception in many states which do not require parental permission or notification.
 
2013-04-30 10:12:26 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: UNC_Samurai: So you're advocating an increased risk of child abuse?  Good to know.

So I guess you're against schools notifying parents of what goes on, police notifying parents when their kid gets in trouble, setting curfews for kids, making kids do homework and ten thousand farking other things parents are entitled to know about the kids they raise.


At a certain age, you start losing your rights over your kids.  You should probably start working on accepting that.
 
2013-04-30 10:12:36 PM  

Infernalist: As long as she's getting medical care and ensuring that nothing ill will come of her choices, does it even matter?


I'll let Mom answer that one.
 
2013-04-30 10:12:58 PM  

Harry_Seldon: TomD9938: And if my 15 year old wants to keep the baby?

Papa don't preach.


funny clicky
 
2013-04-30 10:13:40 PM  
In other news:

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2013-04-30 10:13:53 PM  

GoldSpider: Infernalist: As long as she's getting medical care and ensuring that nothing ill will come of her choices, does it even matter?

I'll let Mom answer that one.


Is she cute?
 
2013-04-30 10:13:57 PM  

hardinparamedic: solitary: AWESOME!!

(you know the "morning after pill" is just 2 double doses of an ordinary contraceptive pill - right?)

That's really a dangerous statement - it's not. You increase your risk of Venous Thrombembolism and Pulmonary Embolism, as well as contraceptive failure in an emergency situation, by quad-dosing your birth control pill, which is estridol and progestrin. The Plan B Pill is <a data-cke-saved-href="<a href=" href="<a href=" http:="" en.wikipedia.org="" wiki="" levonorgestrel"="" target="_blank">levonorgestrel. 

They used to use the massive doses of combined hormonal birth control, but they stopped doing so in favor of levonorgestrel because it was not only safer, but vastly more effective.


I'm glad you updated my horrifically outdated information!  Thanks :)
 
2013-04-30 10:14:05 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Just becuase the woman gestates doesnt make her opinion more valid or worth more than a mans.


It's not about opinions, it's about decisions. And the decision to keep or abort a baby is solely the woman's. That's all I've been saying this entire time.

GoldSpider: Except legally they aren't a separate issue, not while laws are in place that automatically obligate an unwilling father to pay child support.


The only choice a man gets is whether or not to consent to sex. The woman gets the same choice. After they've both decided yes, what to do with a pregnancy is solely the woman's decision. That rubs a lot of men the wrong way because hey that's not equal! You know what else isn't equal? HOW BABIES ARE MADE. Women get pregnant, they get to make the decision that follows. That is, AGAIN, all I've been saying this whole time.
 
2013-04-30 10:14:29 PM  

TomD9938: Do you know this for a fact?  I genuinely don't know where the law is on this.


If you have a well funded organization behind you, you can have an injunction placed against someone getting an abortion, but those have traditionally been overturned by Federal Appellate courts unless the abortion was being forced upon the pregnant woman, and the woman herself was requesting it.
 
2013-04-30 10:14:35 PM  

digitalrain: I am asking if you are cool with the idea of parents aborting their unborn child because it is the
"wrong" gender. Or, extrapolating a little further, if DNA testing of the amniotic fluid (which does
carry the baby's cells) shows that the baby has the genetic predisposition for the "wrong" color
eyes or hair, would you be okay with aborting for those reason as well?


If you are pro-choice, you are pro-choice.  What difference does it make what reason someone has for aborting? It's their life and their choice.
 
2013-04-30 10:14:37 PM  
Ugh. The derp is to strong in this thread.

my point is this.

birth control is a human right. We have the technology.
the morning after pill is a serious thing to put in ones body.
so before forming an opinion one should read up on it.

and a baby belongs to a father just as much as a mother. Therefore both opinions are valid.

and if women disagree. They should be happy to forfeit child support payments because afterall. It belongs to them not him
 
2013-04-30 10:14:58 PM  

Infernalist: State law may not contravene or supersede established federal law in most cases.


You need to read the HIPPA law that was posted above.
 
2013-04-30 10:15:40 PM  
/yes I know it's fake
 
2013-04-30 10:16:09 PM  

solitary: I'm glad you updated my horrifically outdated information!  Thanks :)


Sorry, link fail there but not a problem.

My Ex had a scare and did that, and her GYN had a fit when she found out.

Dusk-You-n-Me: GoldSpider: Except legally they aren't a separate issue, not while laws are in place that automatically obligate an unwilling father to pay child support.

The only choice a man gets is whether or not to consent to sex. The woman gets the same choice. After they've both decided yes, what to do with a pregnancy is solely the woman's decision. That rubs a lot of men the wrong way because hey that's not equal! You know what else isn't equal? HOW BABIES ARE MADE. Women get pregnant, they get to make the decision that follows. That is, AGAIN, all I've been saying this whole time.


Not sure if you're arguing with a troll, or a Men's Rights Activist follower.
 
2013-04-30 10:16:09 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Women get pregnant, they get to make the decision that follows.


For the next 9 months, and 18 years.  Sounds reasonable to me.
 
2013-04-30 10:16:48 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Aarontology: Because they're two entirely different issues.

How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.


I hate to break it to you poopsie but parents haven't known what their teenagers have been doing since forever.
 
2013-04-30 10:17:07 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: You need to read the HIPPA law that was posted above.


HIPAA defers to state law in the absence of any federal laws at that time. This new law will supercede that, and HIPAA will have to be amended as a result.
 
2013-04-30 10:17:51 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: UNC_Samurai: So you're advocating an increased risk of child abuse?  Good to know.

So I guess you're against schools notifying parents of what goes on, police notifying parents when their kid gets in trouble, setting curfews for kids, making kids do homework and ten thousand farking other things parents are entitled to know about the kids they raise.


Nice strawman.  Let's go back and look at what the good doctor posted, and you've ignored repeatedly:

hardinparamedic: Special Privacy Protections
Two important provisions of the HIPAA privacy rule allow minors who are treated as "individuals" to request special privacy protections. First, these minors may request that health care providers and health plans communicate with them in a confidential manner: by e-mail rather than by phone, or at a place other than their home, for example. Also, they may request limitations on disclosure of information for treatment, payment or health care operations that could ordinarily occur without their authorization, although the extent to which providers and plans are required to honor such requests varies by the type of request and to whom it is made. These requests may be particularly important when a minor believes that disclosure of information would result in specific danger.

The privacy rule allows a health care provider or health plan not to treat a parent as a minor's personal representative, given a reasonable belief that the parent has subjected or may subject the minor to domestic violence, abuse or neglect, or that treating the parent as the personal representative could endanger the minor. The provider or plan must also decide that it is not in the minor's best interest to treat the parent as the personal representative. In addition, the rule allows a licensed health care professional to deny a parent who is a personal representative access to a minor's protected health information if, in the professional's judgment, access would likely cause substantial harm to the minor or someone else. Finally, it allows a provider or health plan to disclose a minor's protected health information in order to prevent or diminish an imminent threat to the health and safety of a person or the public. These provisions apply to adults as well as minors but have different implications for minors, specifically with respect to disclosure of information to parents.


If it's in the interests of preventing abuse, physical or otherwise, then it's legal (and a moral imperative) to NOT disclose the information to the parents.
 
2013-04-30 10:18:25 PM  
Meh.....  When the baby daddy gets to say yes or no then it will be equal.  Pro Choice™ is needs to be bilateral.  Kobe's squeeze is prolly more prone to be prolife than Bubba's.
 
2013-04-30 10:18:27 PM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: But how will we properly shame our sluts??

The consequences will never be the same.


I'm sure the teabaggers oops sorry small government conservatives will insist we have agents at every check out counter to make sure they feel appropriately disgusting to good moral decent people.
 
2013-04-30 10:18:31 PM  

mr lawson: /yes I know it's fake


I was just about to pop it on because I was CERTAIN that he traveled to 2015, but the pic completely made me doubt my memory.  Good shoop, and an even better troll!
 
2013-04-30 10:18:32 PM  

bemused outsider: sigh.

Another room heavily populated with men/boys trying to determine and exercise their authority over the deployment and use of women's uterus'

Guys.
Once you make your "deposit", it's no longer your choice.
The only control over reproductive rights that you have is who/where/when you take your best shot.  Or not.

I'd like to hear the ladies reaction to the FDA action.  Not the guy's reaction.

/kinda sad, really.


It's pretty awesome.
 
2013-04-30 10:19:00 PM  

hardinparamedic: Popcorn Johnny: You need to read the HIPPA law that was posted above.

HIPAA defers to state law in the absence of any federal laws at that time. This new law will supercede that, and HIPAA will have to be amended as a result.


Yeah, what he said.
 
2013-04-30 10:19:10 PM  

hardinparamedic: HIPAA defers to state law in the absence of any federal laws at that time. This new law will supercede that, and HIPAA will have to be amended as a result.


From HIPPA....

If a state or other law explicitly requires information to be disclosed to a parent, the rule allows a health care provider to comply with that law and to disclose the information.
 
2013-04-30 10:19:11 PM  

GoldSpider: For the next 9 months, and 18 years.  Sounds reasonable to me.


I don't know what this means but I think we're good.

hardinparamedic: Not sure if you're arguing with a troll, or a Men's Rights Activist follower.


You're telling me.
 
2013-04-30 10:19:46 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: UNC_Samurai: So you're advocating an increased risk of child abuse?  Good to know.

So I guess you're against schools notifying parents of what goes on, police notifying parents when their kid gets in trouble, setting curfews for kids, making kids do homework and ten thousand farking other things parents are entitled to know about the kids they raise.


Johnny, it's not about what parents are entitled to know.  It's about what society expects from parents.

You're expected to make sure your kid stays out of trouble, does homework, gets home by 10, etc.  So of course, you have to be told when you're failing.

When it comes to abortion, it isn't necessary to inform you.  If you're down with it, it will happen.  If you're opposed to it, it will happen.  The only way it won't happen is if your child doesn't want it to happen.

Society overwhelmingly disfavors pregnant teens and teen mothers.  You lose.
 
2013-04-30 10:19:50 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: teenage mutant ninja rapist: Just becuase the woman gestates doesnt make her opinion more valid or worth more than a mans.

It's not about opinions, it's about decisions. And the decision to keep or abort a baby is solely the woman's. That's all I've been saying this entire time.

GoldSpider: Except legally they aren't a separate issue, not while laws are in place that automatically obligate an unwilling father to pay child support.

The only choice a man gets is whether or not to consent to sex. The woman gets the same choice. After they've both decided yes, what to do with a pregnancy is solely the woman's decision. That rubs a lot of men the wrong way because hey that's not equal! You know what else isn't equal? HOW BABIES ARE MADE. Women get pregnant, they get to make the decision that follows. That is, AGAIN, all I've been saying this whole time.


If a woman loves and cares for the man she is with than it is not her choice. It is a joint choice. Ultimatley falling on her yes. But still a woman has the choice to never become pregant if she wishes. Condoms tubes tied. IUDs depovera? The pill.

men have condoms. Crap shoot at best. So our opinion matters just as much
 
2013-04-30 10:20:13 PM  

hardinparamedic: Dusk-You-n-Me: GoldSpider: Except legally they aren't a separate issue, not while laws are in place that automatically obligate an unwilling father to pay child support.

The only choice a man gets is whether or not to consent to sex. The woman gets the same choice. After they've both decided yes, what to do with a pregnancy is solely the woman's decision. That rubs a lot of men the wrong way because hey that's not equal! You know what else isn't equal? HOW BABIES ARE MADE. Women get pregnant, they get to make the decision that follows. That is, AGAIN, all I've been saying this whole time.

Not sure if you're arguing with a troll, or a Men's Rights Activist follower.


Is it just me, or have the MRA folks really amped up their misogyny in the last year or so?
 
2013-04-30 10:20:31 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Ugh. The derp is to strong in this thread.


If the FDA ruling included that the medicine had to be administered by a gay black muslim using some sort of airgun, this thread would have exploded the interwebs.
 
2013-04-30 10:20:53 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Aarontology: Because they're two entirely different issues.

How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.


Which amendment is that in?
 
2013-04-30 10:21:02 PM  

Hobodeluxe: Popcorn Johnny: Aarontology: Because they're two entirely different issues.

How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.

I hate to break it to you poopsie but parents haven't known what their teenagers have been doing since forever.


Truer words have never been spoken.

When we finally do have the technology to monitor everything our kids do 24/7, the species is done for.
 
2013-04-30 10:21:05 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: TaterTot_HotDish: If you don't want your kids having sex, using condoms, or buying Plan B, teach them not to do those things.  Why do we have to make up for your shiatty parenting?

Lets just do away with the drinking age too, right?


It's not quite the same thing - alcohol is a poison that can kill you.  Alcohol kills lots and lots of young people every year.  Condoms and Plan B actually protect your health.

Having said that, yes, I think the drinking age should be much, much lower... having spent time in countries with effectively no drinking age I think they have a much less farked up attitude about alcohol than we do.

The world is a scary place with lots of dangers... if your 15 year old kid is making bad decisions, it might be because you didn't prepare him/her for life.

So yes -- if you want your kids to act a certain way, teach them to act that way.  Don't expect society to act as your kid's parent because you aren't any good at the job.
 
2013-04-30 10:21:35 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: I don't know what this means but I think we're good.


So you're OK with obligating an unwilling father to pay for 18 years of child support.  Understood.
 
2013-04-30 10:22:05 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: But still a woman has the choice to never become pregant if she wishes


And the man has the same exact choice on whether or not to consent to sex. See how that works? AGAIN? I don't know how many times I have to go over this, then you retreat just a bit, then come right back with the same bullsh*t.

teenage mutant ninja rapist: men have condoms. Crap shoot at best.


Yes men are the real victim here.

Jesus christ with you guys.
 
2013-04-30 10:22:20 PM  

Krieghund: Which amendment is that in?


Huh??
 
2013-04-30 10:23:01 PM  
If they were really smart, they'd make Plan-B get you HIGH AS F*CK.
 
2013-04-30 10:23:21 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Society overwhelmingly disfavors pregnant teens and teen mothers.  You lose.


Oh okay, so it's up to the government to raise our kids. Thanks for giving me the official Fark position.
 
2013-04-30 10:23:38 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Ugh. The derp is to strong in this thread.

my point is this.

birth control is a human right. We have the technology.
the morning after pill is a serious thing to put in ones body.
so before forming an opinion one should read up on it.

and a baby belongs to a father just as much as a mother. Therefore both opinions are valid.

and if women disagree. They should be happy to forfeit child support payments because afterall. It belongs to them not him


If the woman is on public assistance and forfeits child support, they cut her benefits (I know at least food stamps are cut by $100...that's a lot of food). My sister wanted nothing to do with the dad and wanted to be solely responsible, but she was penalized.

Not saying it's right or wrong...just saying.

Also, this is true in MI. I have no idea about anywhere else.
 
2013-04-30 10:23:55 PM  

GoldSpider: So you're OK with obligating an unwilling father to pay for 18 years of child support.  Understood.


He should have been unwilling to have sex. That was his one choice.
 
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