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2013-04-30 09:34:33 PM

Popcorn Johnny: By the way, I'm pro-abortion and an Atheist so lets stop labeling me based on my opinion on this.


Pro-Abortion?

You want more abortions?

No one is pro-abortion.

People are pro-choice.
 
2013-04-30 09:35:12 PM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: its no more hers than mine.


I never argued that it was. You brought this weird 'belong' aspect into it. My argument is that any decision about the pregnancy is solely hers. And that won't change until men can get pregnant.
 
2013-04-30 09:35:19 PM

Raharu: birth control should be a human right in the same vein as food and water


It should, but they do not make it easy.  I've written many times of the hell I went through trying to get sterilized before I just gave up.  Because I'm a woman who has not had any babies, nobody will do it, in case I "change my mind." I can even understand them thinking that was a possibility when I was in my early 20s, but by the time I hit my 30s, and there were records of years of me asking, I don't think it was an unreasonable request.  It honestly seems like it is easier to have a full on sex change than for an unmarried woman who has never had a baby to get her tubes tied.  (Even when I was married, which was the last time I bothered asking, they still said no.)

And some of the treatment I got from doctors was appalling. One grabbed me by the shoulders and yelled at me that she "would not let me make that mistake."  At the time, I was having a difficult time with the pill and we couldn't find one without side effects.  I finally shopped around until I found someone willing to give an IUD to someone who had never had a baby (which is also difficult, but has become less difficult over the years, as I understand.)  I remember asking the doctor if they would pay for the abortion if I ended up getting pregnant because they weren't allowing me to take control of my body.  And I asked if I had to go through menopause before anyone understood that I really and truly am never having kids (answer: "probably.")

So, yes, I agree. Birth control - whatever one chooses to use, so long as it is safe and effective - should be a human right.

At the same time, I do think there needs to be education about the morning after pill.  Such as the fact that it's not reliable as a sole method of birth control. (I have no idea if the price will change when it goes OTC, but the time I bought it, it was $75, so depending, that might be the first clue.)  It also has to be used correctly, when used, and moreso than most OTC medications.  I wish that the normal pill was available OTC, honestly, I'm just not sure if that is medically safe or sound, to be honest, since there can be side effects or it should not be used by women with high blood pressure or women who smoke.    

All of this said, you'd think those of us on both sides of the abortion issue would be happy about increased access to anything that will cut down on the number of abortions that are necessary.  As pro-choice as I am, I obviously think it's better if women don't have to have a surgical procedure if it can be avoided.  I know that isn't the case, but you'd think everyone's goal would be "less abortions necessary."
 
2013-04-30 09:35:39 PM

HairBolus: megarian: PistolGripPump: Now, I'm not trolling nor am I trying to add to the flamewar above, and I do not have data to prove the following statement, so please be gentle.  As someone who works in the STD "industry" and has seen the growth in antibiotic-resistant strains of Gonorrhea as well as new resurgence in Syphilis cases, my only concern with the OTC status of Plan B would be it leading to a decrease in use of other contraceptive methods that prevent the spread of STDs as well as pregnancy.  If young people decide to use Plan B as Plan A and neglect to use other forms of contraception (it feels better without latex barriers, you know what I mean), this could be a very bad thing for our country (but job security for me?).

That's...that's an extremely good point.

I've heard that for some people Plan B can make you feel like crap for a few day. For them it is unlikely to become the preferred form of birth control. Then again some people drink a lot and have a severe hangover the next day and for some that doesn't stop them from drinking so much.


That's a pretty interesting perspective that I haven't put much thought into.

Thanks. No snark intended.
 
2013-04-30 09:35:46 PM

theorellior: TomD9938: I wonder who we will have lost.

Probably another Hitler, thank God.


I love that argument against people that try to claim that the child that was aborted could've turned into Einstein. Probably equal chances it could've turned into Hitler.
 
2013-04-30 09:36:06 PM

radarlove: I see a lot of folks in this thread claiming that Plan-B will help lower STD rates, and I have no earthly idea why.

It seems to me that if anything Plan-B would cause an increase in STDs. What kid is going to bother putting on a rubber when he's got a case of Baby-B-Gon in the trunk?

I predict an explosion in the number of reported cases of STDs in the coming few years.


You clearly have a bronze-age view of women's reproductive rights.
 
2013-04-30 09:36:06 PM
I should ask this. How many people are mad at the morning after pill being availiable to their daughters also have no problem with their sons being able to buy condoms?

when I was in high school they gave condoms away by the handfull.

morning after pill I think should be availiable in the same way.

unwanted reproduction has a far bigger effect on all of us than someones abstract concept of morale vs immoral
 
2013-04-30 09:36:14 PM
teenage mutant ninja rapist:

but your wrong. No penis no child.

The correct response would be no sperm no child.  Or all those couples who had artificial insemination wouldn't have kids.
 
2013-04-30 09:36:22 PM

Popcorn Johnny: By the way, I'm pro-abortion and an Atheist so lets stop labeling me based on my opinion on this.


OK. Everybody: STOP LABELING POPCORN JOHNNY! STOP IT RIGHT NOW!!
There. That ought to do it.
 
2013-04-30 09:36:30 PM

Raharu: Popcorn Johnny: make me some tea: How is it people do not understand the concept of consent?

A 15 year old can't legally consent to sex in almost the entire country.

and 15 year olds should totally be forced to carry the child to term why?

Because Jesus?
Because you said so?
Just because?


To teach them not to do that again.
 
2013-04-30 09:37:08 PM

Raharu: Pro-Abortion?

You want more abortions?

No one is pro-abortion.

People are pro-choice.


I stand by my choice of words, fark kids.
 
2013-04-30 09:37:25 PM

BafflerMeal: Infernalist: Dusk-You-n-Me: teenage mutant ninja rapist: Just cause its in your womb and gestates there doesnt mean you have more rights to it than the father.

That's exactly what it means. If you want men and women to have equal rights with regards to pregnancy figure out a way for men to get pregnant.

That isn't to say men can't even discuss this topic. But that's all it is, discussion.

I can live with just being part of the discussion, cause, let's be serious.  We'd go extinct as a species if men were the ones to have to go through child-birth.


Thanks man. I was about to have dinner.
now im gonna have vodka.

and its all your fault
 
2013-04-30 09:38:02 PM

serpent_sky: Raharu: birth control should be a human right in the same vein as food and water

It should, but they do not make it easy.  I've written many times of the hell I went through trying to get sterilized before I just gave up.  Because I'm a woman who has not had any babies, nobody will do it, in case I "change my mind." I can even understand them thinking that was a possibility when I was in my early 20s, but by the time I hit my 30s, and there were records of years of me asking, I don't think it was an unreasonable request.  It honestly seems like it is easier to have a full on sex change than for an unmarried woman who has never had a baby to get her tubes tied.  (Even when I was married, which was the last time I bothered asking, they still said no.)

And some of the treatment I got from doctors was appalling. One grabbed me by the shoulders and yelled at me that she "would not let me make that mistake."  At the time, I was having a difficult time with the pill and we couldn't find one without side effects.  I finally shopped around until I found someone willing to give an IUD to someone who had never had a baby (which is also difficult, but has become less difficult over the years, as I understand.)  I remember asking the doctor if they would pay for the abortion if I ended up getting pregnant because they weren't allowing me to take control of my body.  And I asked if I had to go through menopause before anyone understood that I really and truly am never having kids (answer: "probably.")

So, yes, I agree. Birth control - whatever one chooses to use, so long as it is safe and effective - should be a human right.

At the same time, I do think there needs to be education about the morning after pill.  Such as the fact that it's not reliable as a sole method of birth control. (I have no idea if the price will change when it goes OTC, but the time I bought it, it was $75, so depending, that might be the first clue.)  It also has to be used correctly, when used, and mo ...


I have no kids, but I could go get a vasectomy scheduled tomorrow if I wanted. Just another way our society treats the ladies differently from men.
 
2013-04-30 09:38:58 PM
Show her how much you care...

www.visualphotos.com

Nothing says "good morning" like a Plan B Smoothie

 
2013-04-30 09:39:02 PM

Raharu: Popcorn Johnny: By the way, I'm pro-abortion and an Atheist so lets stop labeling me based on my opinion on this.

Pro-Abortion?

You want more abortions?

No one is pro-abortion.

People are pro-choice.


There are people who favor compulsory abortion in certain circumstances.
 
2013-04-30 09:39:12 PM
This should be a null issue. Sad that it is not.

Ofc, I would go about this a completely different way. We can have a national vote. Up or down on legislating any and all birth control. However...

1. Only women can qualify to vote.
2. You have to be able to support a child to qualify to vote (pick some monetary amount, like $40k salary a year).
3. If you vote yes to any birth control, good for you. You and your spouse are off the hook.
3. By voting "No" to the morning after pill (or whatever), you and your spouse give up a chunk of money equal to your share of supporting all the unwed mothers needing child support money.

There, problem solved. Not even 1% of hard core Bible thumpers will vote no to the morning after pill, or anything else, if their money is at risk. End of discussion.
 
2013-04-30 09:39:18 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Raharu: Popcorn Johnny: make me some tea: How is it people do not understand the concept of consent?

A 15 year old can't legally consent to sex in almost the entire country.

and 15 year olds should totally be forced to carry the child to term why?

Because Jesus?
Because you said so?
Just because?

To teach them not to do that again.


Gotta shame dem sluts!
 
2013-04-30 09:40:36 PM

Raharu: I have no kids, but I could go get a vasectomy scheduled tomorrow if I wanted. Just another way our society treats the ladies differently from men.


And an adult woman can get a tubal ligation scheduled tomorrow if she wanted.  I'm not sure what you're getting at with this line.
 
2013-04-30 09:42:05 PM

kidgenius: theorellior: TomD9938: I wonder who we will have lost.

Probably another Hitler, thank God.

I love that argument against people that try to claim that the child that was aborted could've turned into Einstein. Probably equal chances it could've turned into Hitler.


And by extension, the people Hitler killed were no loss of human potential either.

After all, we don't know what was lost, so nothing really was.
 
2013-04-30 09:42:15 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: teenage mutant ninja rapist: its no more hers than mine.

I never argued that it was. You brought this weird 'belong' aspect into it. My argument is that any decision about the pregnancy is solely hers. And that won't change until men can get pregnant.


It really isnt solely hers. a man could refuse sex.
Ya I felt stupid typing that.
but it could happen.
even still your original point was men should shut up about the entire topic cause they dont get pregnant.

my point is they are just as involved as females for a variety of reasons. Atleast a good man is.
when it comes to childeren discounting the other gender is a poor attitude to take.

pro birth control for all. Pro sex ed. Pro not being discounted in the situation because the biology is different.

figure were on the same side and were arguing about semantics
 
2013-04-30 09:43:15 PM

Primitive Screwhead: Preg-Not
Embry-No
Nary a Carry
Nay, Family Way
Mom Bomb
Junior, Miss
Inconceivable!
Mommy Not
Fetus Fail
Kiddie Kill
Poppa Stopper
Womb Broom
Humpty Dumpty
Baby-Maybe


I LOL'd
 
2013-04-30 09:43:45 PM

BarkingUnicorn: UNC_Samurai: Raharu: BarkingUnicorn: Raharu: teenage mutant ninja rapist: Popcorn Johnny: Aarontology: Because they're two entirely different issues.

How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.

Nope. They dont. You have a right to keep a watchfull eye on your child. If you fail in that respect its your own damn fault.

birth control should be a human right in the same vein as food and water

Just jumped right the cliff with the shark, didn't you?

Not everything you think people deserve is a human right.

True, but you know what. I honestly believe birth control is one of the best things ever invented.
Giving women and men the ability to enjoy themselves, and yet not be shackled to biology, opens so many doors.

Actually, the UN has taken the position that reproductive health is a human right.  This includes birth control.  And that's absolutely the correct position, because easy, safe, and affordable access to reproductive health goods and services is a matter not only of individual health and welfare, but it's also a significant public health issue.

Fark the UN, too.  Health and well-being are not human rights.  It is not incumbent upon others to provide them to you.  It may be in the self-interest of others, but that's a different story.


I, too, once thought positive rights were bullshiat.  Then I grew up and got out of the dumb college libertarian mindset.

Rights come with duties; it's why we can have nice things.  In this case, it's our duty as a society to provide people with access to fertilization prevention.
 
2013-04-30 09:43:50 PM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: even still your original point was men should shut up about the entire topic cause they dont get pregnant.


Exactly.  Men don't need reproductive rights.
 
2013-04-30 09:43:54 PM

GoldSpider: Raharu: I have no kids, but I could go get a vasectomy scheduled tomorrow if I wanted. Just another way our society treats the ladies differently from men.

And an adult woman can get a tubal ligation scheduled tomorrow if she wanted.  I'm not sure what you're getting at with this line.


To be fair, a vasectomy has few to any lingering effects and no long term impact on the patient.

Hysterectomies and tubal ligation surgery have a well-documented history of having massive impact on the patient long term, both physically and on a hormonal level.  Many patients report massive personality changes afterward due to swings in hormone levels in the body.

Further, for a guy, it's a few hundred bucks to do, and undo.  For women, not so much.
 
2013-04-30 09:43:55 PM

GoldSpider: Raharu: I have no kids, but I could go get a vasectomy scheduled tomorrow if I wanted. Just another way our society treats the ladies differently from men.

And an adult woman can get a tubal ligation scheduled tomorrow if she wanted.  I'm not sure what you're getting at with this line.


http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2012/07/getting_your_ tu bes_tied_why_do_young_women_have_a_hard_time_getting_sterilized_.html

Its actually way fairly difficult for some people.
 
2013-04-30 09:44:27 PM

serpent_sky: Raharu: birth control should be a human right in the same vein as food and water

It should, but they do not make it easy.  I've written many times of the hell I went through trying to get sterilized before I just gave up.  Because I'm a woman who has not had any babies, nobody will do it, in case I "change my mind." I can even understand them thinking that was a possibility when I was in my early 20s, but by the time I hit my 30s, and there were records of years of me asking, I don't think it was an unreasonable request.  It honestly seems like it is easier to have a full on sex change than for an unmarried woman who has never had a baby to get her tubes tied.  (Even when I was married, which was the last time I bothered asking, they still said no.)

And some of the treatment I got from doctors was appalling. One grabbed me by the shoulders and yelled at me that she "would not let me make that mistake."  At the time, I was having a difficult time with the pill and we couldn't find one without side effects.  I finally shopped around until I found someone willing to give an IUD to someone who had never had a baby (which is also difficult, but has become less difficult over the years, as I understand.)  I remember asking the doctor if they would pay for the abortion if I ended up getting pregnant because they weren't allowing me to take control of my body.  And I asked if I had to go through menopause before anyone understood that I really and truly am never having kids (answer: "probably.")

So, yes, I agree. Birth control - whatever one chooses to use, so long as it is safe and effective - should be a human right.

At the same time, I do think there needs to be education about the morning after pill.  Such as the fact that it's not reliable as a sole method of birth control. (I have no idea if the price will change when it goes OTC, but the time I bought it, it was $75, so depending, that might be the first clue.)  It also has to be used correctly, when used, and moreso than most OTC medications.  I wish that the normal pill was available OTC, honestly, I'm just not sure if that is medically safe or sound, to be honest, since there can be side effects or it should not be used by women with high blood pressure or women who smoke.    

All of this said, you'd think those of us on both sides of the abortion issue would be happy about increased access to anything that will cut down on the number of abortions that are necessary.  As pro-choice as I am, I obviously think it's better if women don't have to have a surgical procedure if it can be avoided.  I know that isn't the case, but you'd think everyone's goal would be "less abortions necessary."


YES! This!

No one would tie my tubes. And because I have not had a child, no IUD for me.

Until recently...after 5 years of searching. My pills were extremely expensive because I *had insurance*. Yeah. And I have endometriosis. And I'm Kind of poor. And kids are weird. So yeah, IUD time. $50 a month every month for a Yaz knockoff that makes me sick? No thanks.
 
2013-04-30 09:44:32 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Raharu: Popcorn Johnny: By the way, I'm pro-abortion and an Atheist so lets stop labeling me based on my opinion on this.

Pro-Abortion?

You want more abortions?

No one is pro-abortion.

People are pro-choice.

There are people who favor compulsory abortion in certain circumstances.


You should ignore those voices - sooner or later, they are going to start telling you to set things on fire if you pay attention to them.
 
2013-04-30 09:45:01 PM

serpent_sky: Raharu: birth control should be a human right in the same vein as food and water

It should, but they do not make it easy.  I've written many times of the hell I went through trying to get sterilized before I just gave up.  Because I'm a woman who has not had any babies, nobody will do it, in case I "change my mind." I can even understand them thinking that was a possibility when I was in my early 20s, but by the time I hit my 30s, and there were records of years of me asking, I don't think it was an unreasonable request.  It honestly seems like it is easier to have a full on sex change than for an unmarried woman who has never had a baby to get her tubes tied.  (Even when I was married, which was the last time I bothered asking, they still said no.)


Isn't that so the Doctor who does the procedure doesn't get a lawsuit from a younger woman who changed their mind about having kids?  Gotta love our tort system.
 
2013-04-30 09:45:48 PM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: BafflerMeal: Infernalist: Dusk-You-n-Me: teenage mutant ninja rapist: Just cause its in your womb and gestates there doesnt mean you have more rights to it than the father.

That's exactly what it means. If you want men and women to have equal rights with regards to pregnancy figure out a way for men to get pregnant.

That isn't to say men can't even discuss this topic. But that's all it is, discussion.

I can live with just being part of the discussion, cause, let's be serious.  We'd go extinct as a species if men were the ones to have to go through child-birth.

Thanks man. I was about to have dinner.
now im gonna have vodka.

and its all your fault



Hey, you looked like you needed to lose a few pounds.  Just doing my part.
 
2013-04-30 09:45:59 PM

GoldSpider: You clearly have a bronze-age view of women's reproductive rights.


How so?
 
2013-04-30 09:46:19 PM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: It really isnt solely hers. a man could refuse sex.


Yes, he could! Then he's made his choice and we wouldn't be having a discussion about pregnancy at all! See how that works?

teenage mutant ninja rapist: even still your original point was men should shut up about the entire topic cause they dont get pregnant.


No, someone else posted that. My original and remaining point is that women get pregnant so they get to make the decision on what to do with that pregnancy. That's it.

teenage mutant ninja rapist: figure were on the same side and were arguing about semantics


I believe we are on the same side but you took my comments to mean that the man has no say after the pregnancy, and that's not what I meant nor what I believe. That's a whole separate thing.
 
2013-04-30 09:46:24 PM
Can it be paid for with food stamps?

THIS IS IMPORTANT!
 
2013-04-30 09:46:31 PM

UNC_Samurai: In this case, it's our duty as a society to provide people with access to fertilization prevention.


And parents have a right to know what their children are doing.
 
2013-04-30 09:47:02 PM

GoldSpider: teenage mutant ninja rapist: even still your original point was men should shut up about the entire topic cause they dont get pregnant.

Exactly.  Men don't need reproductive rights.


I do. I want the right to have an abortion. Just in case, you understand.
 
2013-04-30 09:47:17 PM

GoldSpider: Raharu: I have no kids, but I could go get a vasectomy scheduled tomorrow if I wanted. Just another way our society treats the ladies differently from men.

And an adult woman can get a tubal ligation scheduled tomorrow if she wanted.  I'm not sure what you're getting at with this line.


See my post... not really.

I tried for years, with Planned Parenthood and multiple private doctors, and they all said no.  They are not eager to do tubal ligations or Essure on women in general, but especially not women who have never had a baby, and especially not young women who have never had a baby.  Men have it significantly easier when it comes to getting a vasectomy - they're not considered as high of a risk for "changing their minds."  (And while I am sure <i>some</i> women do change their mind, I don't imagine all that many people have surgery that can't be reversed without giving it a lot of thought and changed minds are probably very rare.)

It's really not easy, and most doctors won't agree to do it.
 
2013-04-30 09:47:24 PM
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-04-30 09:47:58 PM

radarlove: GoldSpider: You clearly have a bronze-age view of women's reproductive rights.

How so?


He's inserting the words of the 'liberal' that lives in his brain.  Since no one in reality would actually say that, he has to substitute fantasy instead.
 
2013-04-30 09:48:22 PM

legion_of_doo: this is less disgusting than abortion, but a laissez faire attitude towards public health issues is as irresponsible as allowing banking to say "whatever I do what I want"

parents should be involved in the health of their children. "kids will be kids" is not parenting, and never has been.<b>if boys act in an irresponsible way, you intervene. why shouldn't the same apply too girls? </b>somehow, when sex is involved, both the fundies and the libtards get crazy unrealistic opinions... it's frustrating. if we can stop guns and violent video games going directly to kids, why not drugs with obvious areas where parents should be informed?

I'm sorry. just because you disagree with some (backwards) parents doesn't mean your way is right either.

I do know girls who got pregnant in high school and had their babies, so all the screeching about "ruined for life" is as equally damning from the moralist fundies as from the child killing left.

I appreciate the administration trying to have a measured response to the courts, however. bravo Obama.

/I like radical fundies as much as I like radical abortionists.


It is the same. If boys have sex, parents shouldn't be able to beat the shiat out of them. If girls have sex, parents shouldn't be allowed to force them to compromise their health by going through an unwanted pregnancy, or to have their vaginas ripped apart in childbirth against their will.
 
2013-04-30 09:48:56 PM

GoldSpider: teenage mutant ninja rapist: even still your original point was men should shut up about the entire topic cause they dont get pregnant.

Exactly.  Men don't need reproductive rights.


Yes they do.
girl gets pregnant she has options. Guy gets girl pregnant his option is what she decides.
You want equality between the sexes and this is a big road block to it.
women have many birth control options. Men have 1.

like I said before. Just cause a woman gestates doesnt mean it doesnt effect men. Child spends 9 months in woman.
child lives on earth longer than both parents hopefully.

its an issue that both sides have real need to remedy as best as possible.

its a human issue not a he vs she issue.

stop being so sexist :-P
 
2013-04-30 09:48:56 PM

Infernalist: To be fair, a vasectomy has few to any lingering effects and no long term impact on the patient.


It's considered a minimally invasive procedure, and completely irrelevant to the point I was responding to.

Raharu: http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2012/07/getting_your_ tu bes_tied_why_do_young_women_have_a_hard_time_getting_sterilized_.html

Its actually way fairly difficult for some people.


Some doctors recommend alternatives.  Clearly this is an outrage.
 
2013-04-30 09:48:57 PM

Raharu: GoldSpider: Raharu: I have no kids, but I could go get a vasectomy scheduled tomorrow if I wanted. Just another way our society treats the ladies differently from men.

And an adult woman can get a tubal ligation scheduled tomorrow if she wanted.  I'm not sure what you're getting at with this line.

http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2012/07/getting_your_ tu bes_tied_why_do_young_women_have_a_hard_time_getting_sterilized_.html

Its actually way fairly difficult for some people.


With good reason. It's a medically risky and  irreversable procedure.

GoldSpider: Exactly.  Men don't need reproductive rights


Oh STFU, you idiot. You know thats not what she meant when she told you to take your MRA doubespeak elsewhere.
 
2013-04-30 09:49:02 PM

Popcorn Johnny: UNC_Samurai: In this case, it's our duty as a society to provide people with access to fertilization prevention.

And parents have a right to know what their children are doing.


Not really, no.  Not when it comes to medical stuff.  Didn't we go through this already?
 
2013-04-30 09:50:36 PM

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I am utterly disgusted by this news. Only a monstrous sociopath could look upon the above image and not recognize the sight of a precious human life whose willful termination is premeditated murder.

-------------------------------

No kidding man, I prefer waiting a few months and then just snipping the spinal cords when they're born.
 
2013-04-30 09:51:24 PM

Red Shirt Blues: When do they start selling Viagra OTC? Seems like it would be a nice counterbalance.


For kicks, go to the store at 2am and buy:
tgm123.com
lamar.colostate.edu
img1.shopimg.ca
 
2013-04-30 09:51:35 PM

Raharu: BarkingUnicorn: Raharu: Popcorn Johnny: make me some tea: How is it people do not understand the concept of consent?

A 15 year old can't legally consent to sex in almost the entire country.

and 15 year olds should totally be forced to carry the child to term why?

Because Jesus?
Because you said so?
Just because?

To teach them not to do that again.

Gotta shame dem sluts!


No, shame is unnecessary if the pain is sufficient.

Besides, while she's pregnant nobody will want to fark her.
 
2013-04-30 09:51:38 PM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Yes they do.
girl gets pregnant she has options. Guy gets girl pregnant his option is what she decides.
You want equality between the sexes and this is a big road block to it.


We were so close too. sigh
 
2013-04-30 09:51:41 PM
TLDR thread.  Has anyone suggested binding it with flouride in the drinking water in the top twenty five most dangerous zip codes?
 
2013-04-30 09:52:13 PM

Infernalist: Not really, no.  Not when it comes to medical stuff.  Didn't we go through this already?


You're 100% wrong and would know that if you spent 2.5 seconds researching it.

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2013-04-30 09:52:16 PM

ryant123: If girls have sex, parents shouldn't be allowed to force them to compromise their health by going through an unwanted pregnancy, or to have their vaginas ripped apart in childbirth against their will.


And if my 15 year old wants to keep the baby?  Can I compel her to abort, seeing as I'd be the one raising another child?
 
2013-04-30 09:52:47 PM

Igor Jakovsky: Isn't that so the Doctor who does the procedure doesn't get a lawsuit from a younger woman who changed their mind about having kids?  Gotta love our tort system


I assume as much, but I would think that would be easily enough solved with some legal documents.

They perform sex change operations on people - use similar forms for someone who wants to be sterilized.  I offered to get letters from my therapist and sign documents absolving the doctor of any responsibility if I ever changed my mind (knowing that I wouldn't) and they still wouldn't do it.  I stood there and flat-out said, "If I should ever find myself pregnant, I will absolutely abort" and they just didn't care.

There should be no options for suing a doctor for performing elective surgery. Even if they put in safeguards of making someone wait, say, 6 months or a year, having them consult with a psychiatrist, and having them sign documents that they have no grounds to sue would be progress for those of us denied the rights to truly and fully control our reproductive system (and shut it down permanently.)
 
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