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2013-04-30 09:02:26 PM

Infernalist: LibertyHiller: I see a farkton of men arguing about this in every thread.

Hey, I've got a crazy idea: How about if everybody who isn't capable of bearing children shut the fark up about what you think someone else should do in the areas of birth control and pregnancy? If you can't do it, you don't get to have an opinion, per the Basic Rule of Life #7: Mind Your Own Farking Business.

Hey, some of my best friends are women.  promiscuous women at that.


so you're saying I got a shot with some of 'em?
 
2013-04-30 09:02:33 PM

Weaver95: Infernalist: Weaver95: Infernalist: Weaver95: why is this a big deal?

Because JESUS

I didn't see any mention of this in the new testament.

Well, you don't see anything in the New Testament about immigrants, gays or evolution, but that doesn't stop them from freaking on those subjects, either.

true.  the evangelicals don't actually worship the christian god(s), they follow a much older series of deities.  blood, death, greed...we've seen those gods before.


Best not to talk about it too loudly, people will freak out.
 
2013-04-30 09:02:38 PM
Dogs bark - but the caravan moves on.
You can be on the wrong side of history if you want - history doesn't care.
 
2013-04-30 09:02:42 PM

GoldSpider: aevorea: My issue is that a 15 year old could buy plan b but not certain types of cold medicines or decongestants.

Or that a school nurse can give your kid Plan B, but not Tylenol.


Tylenol should be illegal or proscription only. Its extremely dangerous if over used
 
2013-04-30 09:02:46 PM
time to remind a few people in here...

www.inquisitr.com
 
2013-04-30 09:03:11 PM

Raharu: Weaver95: Infernalist: Weaver95: why is this a big deal?

Because JESUS

I didn't see any mention of this in the new testament.

Dude, jesus talked about abortions ALL the time...

That was his BIG thing... Abortions and homo sex...


And rock and roll. He hated rock and roll.
 
2013-04-30 09:03:18 PM
PRINTABLE COUPONS!!!


No, I joke, but I'm actually a bit uneasy about this issue.

/Need to give it more thought
 
2013-04-30 09:03:21 PM
This pill should be sold with a box of condoms.
 
2013-04-30 09:03:36 PM

UsikFark: My guess is that most places will only accept "state or federally issued" ID.


Yeah and it is hell to buy beer when your not old enough too
 
2013-04-30 09:03:47 PM

make me some tea: Weaver95: Infernalist: Weaver95: why is this a big deal?

Because JESUS

I didn't see any mention of this in the new testament.

In the book of Matthew, Jesus clearly defines an embryo as a person with rights. Study it out!!!


ftfy
 
2013-04-30 09:03:52 PM

Infernalist: Weaver95: Infernalist: Weaver95: Infernalist: Weaver95: why is this a big deal?

Because JESUS

I didn't see any mention of this in the new testament.

Well, you don't see anything in the New Testament about immigrants, gays or evolution, but that doesn't stop them from freaking on those subjects, either.

true.  the evangelicals don't actually worship the christian god(s), they follow a much older series of deities.  blood, death, greed...we've seen those gods before.

Best not to talk about it too loudly, people will freak out.


I find the subject fascinating.  I've been trying to classify what modern evangelicals (and US 'christians') actually believe...and none of their politics match up with what Christ demanded of his followers.
 
2013-04-30 09:03:53 PM

LibertyHiller: I see a farkton of men arguing about this in every thread.

Hey, I've got a crazy idea: How about if everybody who isn't capable of bearing children shut the fark up about what you think someone else should do in the areas of birth control and pregnancy? If you can't do it, you don't get to have an opinion, per the Basic Rule of Life #7: Mind Your Own Farking Business.


Oh, you're looking for Preparation H. It's in Aisle 7, not here in the Plan B section.
 
2013-04-30 09:03:57 PM

Weaver95: Infernalist: LibertyHiller: I see a farkton of men arguing about this in every thread.

Hey, I've got a crazy idea: How about if everybody who isn't capable of bearing children shut the fark up about what you think someone else should do in the areas of birth control and pregnancy? If you can't do it, you don't get to have an opinion, per the Basic Rule of Life #7: Mind Your Own Farking Business.

Hey, some of my best friends are women.  promiscuous women at that.

so you're saying I got a shot with some of 'em?

static.gigwise.com
 
2013-04-30 09:04:44 PM
this is less disgusting than abortion, but a laissez faire attitude towards public health issues is as irresponsible as allowing banking to say "whatever I do what I want"

parents should be involved in the health of their children. "kids will be kids" is not parenting, and never has been. if boys act in an irresponsible way, you intervene. why shouldn't the same apply too girls? somehow, when sex is involved, both the fundies and the libtards get crazy unrealistic opinions... it's frustrating. if we can stop guns and violent video games going directly to kids, why not drugs with obvious areas where parents should be informed?

I'm sorry. just because you disagree with some (backwards) parents doesn't mean your way is right either.

I do know girls who got pregnant in high school and had their babies, so all the screeching about "ruined for life" is as equally damning from the moralist fundies as from the child killing left.

I appreciate the administration trying to have a measured response to the courts, however. bravo Obama.

/I like radical fundies as much as I like radical abortionists.
 
2013-04-30 09:05:01 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-30 09:05:05 PM

cchris_39: BarkingUnicorn: cchris_39: From the product insert:

4 CONTRAINDICATIONS 
Plan B One-Step is contraindicated for use in the case of known or suspected pregnancy.

Yeah, giving that to scared adolescent girls without any oversight sounds like some good science.

"Contraindicated" does not mean "dangerous."  It means, "Do not waste your money on Plan B if you're already pregnant, dumbass!"

No, you're thinking of "ineffective".  Contraindicated means increased risk of complications, to what degree in this case I freely admit I don't know, but would be interested if anyone does.


"Contraindication" is simply a reason to withhold a medicine, test, or procedure.  "Indication" is a valid reason to provide it.

"May cause harm" is a contraindication.
"Can't do any good" is another.
 
2013-04-30 09:05:14 PM

God-is-a-Taco: dmax:
I imagine somewhere is a room of rich old white men who are in agreement that there are only so many resources, but far too many people. The only answer is to let the bottom part of the Bell Curve dispose of itself. Smoking, reckless behavior, inadequate medical care access, etc...

Why would they want less poor, uneducated people? They're the ones that toil in their factories (sometimes illegally) and vote their puppets into power.
The intelligentsia is the enemy, not the working poor.


Go back to the starting contention: not enough resources in the world. There will always be class distinctions, but too many starving people creates a "need" that an open democratic society diverts its resources to address. Republicans are frank about cutting off resources, regardless of consequences. Democrats aren't overt about it - but this is a topic that transcends politics: there is only room on the lifeboat for a certain number of people, and the extras need to be pushed off if you take the long view.
 
2013-04-30 09:05:26 PM

LibertyHiller: I see a farkton of men arguing about this in every thread.

Hey, I've got a crazy idea: How about if everybody who isn't capable of bearing children shut the fark up about what you think someone else should do in the areas of birth control and pregnancy? If you can't do it, you don't get to have an opinion, per the Basic Rule of Life #7: Mind Your Own Farking Business.


Sure..just as soon as those who are capable of bearing take full financial responsibility of said children. However as soon as their crotch fruits start costing the rest of society........
 
2013-04-30 09:05:27 PM

Rincewind53: Popcorn Johnny: So it's not legal for a 15 year old to consent to sex, but it's just fine if she buys a morning after pill without parental permission? Not really understanding the logic behind that decision.

First, in most states, it's legal under many circumstances.
Second, your analogy is flawed. It's like saying "It's illegal for felons to own guns, therefore felons should be unable to receive medical treatment if they accidentally shoot themselves with a gun."


Hey, get your fancy logic out of this thread. Go take it to the sports tab.
 
2013-04-30 09:05:56 PM

Weaver95: Infernalist: Weaver95: Infernalist: Weaver95: Infernalist: Weaver95: why is this a big deal?

Because JESUS

I didn't see any mention of this in the new testament.

Well, you don't see anything in the New Testament about immigrants, gays or evolution, but that doesn't stop them from freaking on those subjects, either.

true.  the evangelicals don't actually worship the christian god(s), they follow a much older series of deities.  blood, death, greed...we've seen those gods before.

Best not to talk about it too loudly, people will freak out.

I find the subject fascinating.  I've been trying to classify what modern evangelicals (and US 'christians') actually believe...and none of their politics match up with what Christ demanded of his followers.


Ever since the 'prosperity doctrine' became popular, it's basically boiled down to 'pray your way to wealth'.

That's all they're about anymore.  Praying for personal prosperity and praying against things like the gays and abortion and the like.

They worship Mammon, but they don't know it yet.
 
2013-04-30 09:05:58 PM

hardinparamedic: cchris_39: No, you're thinking of "ineffective".  Contraindicated means increased risk of complications, to what degree in this case I freely admit I don't know, but would be interested if anyone does.

Actually, it says that because the FDA Considers it to be a Catagory X drug for Pregnancy, meaning it has either confirmed or has a high suspicion of causing either miscarriages or teratogenic effects to the developing embryo/fetus.


So more of a "if you want the baby don't take this" type of warning.  Thanks, good reasonable response.
 
2013-04-30 09:05:58 PM

make me some tea: Weaver95: Infernalist: Weaver95: why is this a big deal?

Because JESUS

I didn't see any mention of this in the new testament.

In the book of Matthew, Jesus clearly defines an embryo as a person with rights. Look it up Study it out!!!


Fixed.
 
2013-04-30 09:06:19 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Aarontology: Because they're two entirely different issues.

How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.


Nope. They dont. You have a right to keep a watchfull eye on your child. If you fail in that respect its your own damn fault.

birth control should be a human right in the same vein as food and water
 
2013-04-30 09:06:35 PM

Popcorn Johnny: TheOnion: So are you in favor of banning the sale of contraception or the morning after pill to 15 year olds in that jurisdiction?

Surely, you must agree that would cause more problems rather than solving them in terms of unplanned pregnancy and STD transmission, correct?

If it was up to me, we would have one age of consent for the entire country. Seems silly that what you do in one state makes you a rapist in another. That said, I don't agree with girls under the age of consent being able to purchase this without their parents knowledge. Maybe it should be that they don't need parental permission, but the parents are notified of the purchase after the fact.


What does the age of consent have to do with the purchase of a drug that's safe enough to be dispensed OTC?
 
2013-04-30 09:06:49 PM

legion_of_doo: this is less disgusting than abortion, but a laissez faire attitude towards public health issues is as irresponsible as allowing banking to say "whatever I do what I want"

parents should be involved in the health of their children. "kids will be kids" is not parenting, and never has been. if boys act in an irresponsible way, you intervene. why shouldn't the same apply too girls? somehow, when sex is involved, both the fundies and the libtards get crazy unrealistic opinions... it's frustrating. if we can stop guns and violent video games going directly to kids, why not drugs with obvious areas where parents should be informed?

I'm sorry. just because you disagree with some (backwards) parents doesn't mean your way is right either.

I do know girls who got pregnant in high school and had their babies, so all the screeching about "ruined for life" is as equally damning from the moralist fundies as from the child killing left.

I appreciate the administration trying to have a measured response to the courts, however. bravo Obama.

/I like radical fundies as much as I like radical abortionists.


What exactly is a radical abortionist?
 
2013-04-30 09:07:05 PM

make me some tea: it's amazing how right-wingers hate government regulation unless it's an issue they feel strongly about.


Those are big government social conservatives.
 
2013-04-30 09:07:32 PM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Popcorn Johnny: Aarontology: Because they're two entirely different issues.

How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.

Nope. They dont. You have a right to keep a watchfull eye on your child. If you fail in that respect its your own damn fault.

birth control should be a human right in the same vein as food and water

 
2013-04-30 09:07:47 PM

TheWhoppah: This pill should be sold with a box of condoms.


Drug store condoms cost more than gold by weight.

Rivetman1.0: UsikFark: My guess is that most places will only accept "state or federally issued" ID.

Yeah and it is hell to buy beer when your not old enough too


If you're savvy, you're savvy. I saw an Asian guy get turned down (when the Washington LCB still ran the single-purpose stores) because he was consulting with his girl in front of the big window (about a dozen feet from the cashier) before he went in. He shows his ID, and the cashier says "I can't sell to you until I see her id." Turns out she lost it and she was totally over 21, but he didn't get the booze that time.
 
2013-04-30 09:07:50 PM

Weaver95: Infernalist: LibertyHiller: I see a farkton of men arguing about this in every thread.

Hey, I've got a crazy idea: How about if everybody who isn't capable of bearing children shut the fark up about what you think someone else should do in the areas of birth control and pregnancy? If you can't do it, you don't get to have an opinion, per the Basic Rule of Life #7: Mind Your Own Farking Business.

Hey, some of my best friends are women.  promiscuous women at that.

so you're saying I got a shot with some of 'em?


If you're with some of them, you should get a shot.
 
2013-04-30 09:08:06 PM

Weaver95: Infernalist: Weaver95: why is this a big deal?

Because JESUS

I didn't see any mention of this in the new testament.



What, you never heard of the Plan-Beatitudes?

"Blessed are the whores, for they shall be contracepted".
 
2013-04-30 09:08:41 PM
Adoptable babies are going to be hard to come by in the near future.
I see this blowing gaskets to the power of X with the bible thumper crowd.
 
2013-04-30 09:08:53 PM

Infernalist: legion_of_doo: this is less disgusting than abortion, but a laissez faire attitude towards public health issues is as irresponsible as allowing banking to say "whatever I do what I want"

parents should be involved in the health of their children. "kids will be kids" is not parenting, and never has been. if boys act in an irresponsible way, you intervene. why shouldn't the same apply too girls? somehow, when sex is involved, both the fundies and the libtards get crazy unrealistic opinions... it's frustrating. if we can stop guns and violent video games going directly to kids, why not drugs with obvious areas where parents should be informed?

I'm sorry. just because you disagree with some (backwards) parents doesn't mean your way is right either.

I do know girls who got pregnant in high school and had their babies, so all the screeching about "ruined for life" is as equally damning from the moralist fundies as from the child killing left.

I appreciate the administration trying to have a measured response to the courts, however. bravo Obama.

/I like radical fundies as much as I like radical abortionists.

What exactly is a radical abortionist?


n abortion doctor who rides into the operating room on a skateboard, and does a few sick stunts before he performs the procedure.
 
2013-04-30 09:08:57 PM

LibertyHiller: I see a farkton of men arguing about this in every thread.

Hey, I've got a crazy idea: How about if everybody who isn't capable of bearing children shut the fark up about what you think someone else should do in the areas of birth control and pregnancy? If you can't do it, you don't get to have an opinion, per the Basic Rule of Life #7: Mind Your Own Farking Business.


B.S.
 
2013-04-30 09:09:26 PM

Rivetman1.0: Adoptable babies are going to be hard to come by in the near future.
I see this blowing gaskets to the power of X with the bible thumper crowd.


Adoptions cover about 200k kids per year.

Want to guess how many abortions we have per year?
 
2013-04-30 09:09:41 PM
Infernalist:

Ever since the 'prosperity doctrine' became popular, it's basically boiled down to 'pray your way to wealth'.

That's all they're about anymore.  Praying for personal prosperity and praying against things like the gays and abortion and the like.

They worship Mammon, but they don't know it yet.


oh I think some of them understand exactly what they're doing and who it is they really worship.  they just don't care.  so long as the $$$ rolls in, they're good with corrupting the bible to serve their purposes.

I honestly think the pagans, for all their faults, are a more honest faith.  scattered and perhaps leaderless, they don't seem to be greedy or destructive as the organized mainstream evangelicals and their twisted perverse idea of Christ. I wish I could speak more about the Buddhists but I haven't actually had much contact with them.
 
2013-04-30 09:10:02 PM

jso2897: Infernalist: legion_of_doo: this is less disgusting than abortion, but a laissez faire attitude towards public health issues is as irresponsible as allowing banking to say "whatever I do what I want"

parents should be involved in the health of their children. "kids will be kids" is not parenting, and never has been. if boys act in an irresponsible way, you intervene. why shouldn't the same apply too girls? somehow, when sex is involved, both the fundies and the libtards get crazy unrealistic opinions... it's frustrating. if we can stop guns and violent video games going directly to kids, why not drugs with obvious areas where parents should be informed?

I'm sorry. just because you disagree with some (backwards) parents doesn't mean your way is right either.

I do know girls who got pregnant in high school and had their babies, so all the screeching about "ruined for life" is as equally damning from the moralist fundies as from the child killing left.

I appreciate the administration trying to have a measured response to the courts, however. bravo Obama.

/I like radical fundies as much as I like radical abortionists.

What exactly is a radical abortionist?

n abortion doctor who rides into the operating room on a skateboard, and does a few sick stunts before he performs the procedure.


THAT'S XTREME
 
2013-04-30 09:10:10 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Wessoman: Amos Quito: So, if a chick pulls a gang-bang-train, how many pills should she take?

It prevents implantation, so even if everybody on the entire Football Team coats her cervix with showstopping daubers, one is all she will need.

Plan B include penicillin?



No, you're thinking of PENIScillin, which comes first.

Plan B comes second.

/Will she swallow?
 
2013-04-30 09:10:12 PM

Raharu: teenage mutant ninja rapist: Popcorn Johnny: Aarontology: Because they're two entirely different issues.

How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.

Nope. They dont. You have a right to keep a watchfull eye on your child. If you fail in that respect its your own damn fault.

birth control should be a human right in the same vein as food and water


Just jumped right the cliff with the shark, didn't you?

Not everything you think people deserve is a human right.
 
2013-04-30 09:11:20 PM

Weaver95: Infernalist: LibertyHiller: I see a farkton of men arguing about this in every thread.

Hey, I've got a crazy idea: How about if everybody who isn't capable of bearing children shut the fark up about what you think someone else should do in the areas of birth control and pregnancy? If you can't do it, you don't get to have an opinion, per the Basic Rule of Life #7: Mind Your Own Farking Business.

Hey, some of my best friends are women.  promiscuous women at that.

so you're saying I got a shot with some of 'em?


That entire argument is stupid. And women know its stupid.
yes men cant bear childeren. However we can father them. And often have to foot the bill for them.

so our opinion is just as valid as yours is. Dont like it than dont have sex.
takes 2 to make a child. So its an issue that applies to both genders. Being a female doesnt make your thoughts on it more valid. Just cause its in your womb and gestates there doesnt mean you have more rights to it than the father.

again dont like that fact. Than dont breed
 
2013-04-30 09:11:38 PM
This thread has turned out to be exactly as much fun as I expected.
 
2013-04-30 09:11:50 PM

Infernalist: THAT'S XTREME


Comming soon to Fox: Xtreme Abortions Docs :The Reality Show.
 
2013-04-30 09:12:11 PM

megarian: PistolGripPump: Now, I'm not trolling nor am I trying to add to the flamewar above, and I do not have data to prove the following statement, so please be gentle.  As someone who works in the STD "industry" and has seen the growth in antibiotic-resistant strains of Gonorrhea as well as new resurgence in Syphilis cases, my only concern with the OTC status of Plan B would be it leading to a decrease in use of other contraceptive methods that prevent the spread of STDs as well as pregnancy.  If young people decide to use Plan B as Plan A and neglect to use other forms of contraception (it feels better without latex barriers, you know what I mean), this could be a very bad thing for our country (but job security for me?).

That's...that's an extremely good point.


I've heard that for some people Plan B can make you feel like crap for a few day. For them it is unlikely to become the preferred form of birth control. Then again some people drink a lot and have a severe hangover the next day and for some that doesn't stop them from drinking so much.
 
2013-04-30 09:12:16 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Raharu: teenage mutant ninja rapist: Popcorn Johnny: Aarontology: Because they're two entirely different issues.

How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.

Nope. They dont. You have a right to keep a watchfull eye on your child. If you fail in that respect its your own damn fault.

birth control should be a human right in the same vein as food and water

Just jumped right the cliff with the shark, didn't you?

Not everything you think people deserve is a human right.


True, but you know what. I honestly believe birth control is one of the best things ever invented.
Giving women and men the ability to enjoy themselves, and yet not be shackled to biology, opens so many doors.
 
2013-04-30 09:12:17 PM

Weaver95: Infernalist:

Ever since the 'prosperity doctrine' became popular, it's basically boiled down to 'pray your way to wealth'.

That's all they're about anymore.  Praying for personal prosperity and praying against things like the gays and abortion and the like.

They worship Mammon, but they don't know it yet.

oh I think some of them understand exactly what they're doing and who it is they really worship.  they just don't care.  so long as the $$$ rolls in, they're good with corrupting the bible to serve their purposes.

I honestly think the pagans, for all their faults, are a more honest faith.  scattered and perhaps leaderless, they don't seem to be greedy or destructive as the organized mainstream evangelicals and their twisted perverse idea of Christ. I wish I could speak more about the Buddhists but I haven't actually had much contact with them.


I don't actually blame the uncorruptible  core of Christianity.  It's the blasted 'people' that always make things go bad.  Religion is just the guise and excuse they use for their own malicious actions.
 
2013-04-30 09:12:22 PM

evaned: megarian: Exactly! This is why I think women who naturally have spontaneous miscarriages should be tried on charges of manslaughter. People (well, women) should do everything they can to make the womb a scientifically perfect environment for any potentially potential fertilized egg irregardless of weather or not they know they are pregnant. Because who knows?!? That egg that naturally was rejected could have been that one in 10^23 chance that the PERSON every egg is could have saved the world.

Just miscarriages? Man, you're not thinking big enough. Just think about every egg which goes to waste each time a woman has her period? You're talking about each woman being responsible for  dozens of lives being lost!


OMG you're right! I doughnut believe in science but I would believe in donating those eggs to woman that had cancers of the lady parts and can't have the children they were destin to have!
 
2013-04-30 09:12:41 PM

Amos Quito: Weaver95: Infernalist: Weaver95: why is this a big deal?

Because JESUS

I didn't see any mention of this in the new testament.


What, you never heard of the Plan-Beatitudes?

"Blessed are the whores, for they shall be contracepted".


I remember the Litanies of Levitation from the Adeptus Mechanicus:

//Strike the rune of activation to rouse the machine-spirit//
It is by the will of the Omnissiah that the plate acquires energy
It is by the energy of the plate that the machine
acquires activation
It is by the activation of the machine that the Omnissiah speaks
That the plate acquires function
That the function acquires velocity and altitude
That the grav-plate then rises
Oh, arise, arise!
It is by the will of the Omnissiah that the grav-plate
now functions.
//All praise the machine-spirit!//
 
2013-04-30 09:13:09 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Raharu: teenage mutant ninja rapist: Popcorn Johnny: Aarontology: Because they're two entirely different issues.

How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.

Nope. They dont. You have a right to keep a watchfull eye on your child. If you fail in that respect its your own damn fault.

birth control should be a human right in the same vein as food and water

Just jumped right the cliff with the shark, didn't you?

Not everything you think people deserve is a human right.


Tell that to me when youve got a 14 year old daughter with child. Who never had any sex ed. Or any options after getting knocked up
 
2013-04-30 09:13:19 PM
Maureen McGovern approves...

//now...this is too obscure.
 
2013-04-30 09:13:24 PM

TomD9938: theorellior: TomD9938: I wonder who we will have lost.

Probably another Hitler, thank God.

Aside from his love of committing genocide, Hitler had a lot going for him.


the man knew how to put on a good parade.

I like his tailors also. those Nazis wore a fine uniform.

shame about the horrific genocide.

/forced abortions might have been better since a conceptus is just a parasite, amirite?
 
2013-04-30 09:14:12 PM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Just cause its in your womb and gestates there doesnt mean you have more rights to it than the father.


That's exactly what it means. If you want men and women to have equal rights with regards to pregnancy figure out a way for men to get pregnant.

That isn't to say men can't even discuss this topic. But that's all it is, discussion.
 
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