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2013-04-30 08:47:13 PM

Mr. Eugenides: aevorea: My issue is that a 15 year old could buy plan b but not certain types of cold medicines or decongestants.

My issue is that I can't buy the good Sudafed without showing 5 forms of ID and submitting a blood and urine sample.


douchebag/hater: And yet Sudafed is kept behind the counter and I need an ID to buy it.


Hey Fjornir, are you a wizard? :-)
 
2013-04-30 08:47:34 PM

GoldSpider: Or that a school nurse can give your kid Plan B, but not Tylenol.


i.imgur.com

Do you know I know you have no idea what a school nurse can do?

School Nurses can't even give your kid neosporin without two things: A Doctor's standing order on file, and a parental permission slip either signed or obtained over the phone.

So no. They won't be handing out Plan B in bulk.
 
2013-04-30 08:47:46 PM

GoldSpider: aevorea: My issue is that a 15 year old could buy plan b but not certain types of cold medicines or decongestants.

Or that a school nurse can give your kid Plan B, but not Tylenol.


School nurses are not permitted to dispense any medication at all without parental consent.
 
2013-04-30 08:48:18 PM

cchris_39: From the product insert:

4 CONTRAINDICATIONS 
Plan B One-Step is contraindicated for use in the case of known or suspected pregnancy.

Yeah, giving that to scared adolescent girls without any oversight sounds like some good science.


"Contraindicated" does not mean "dangerous."  It means, "Do not waste your money on Plan B if you're already pregnant, dumbass!"
 
2013-04-30 08:48:39 PM

TheOnion: Would you rather see a theoretical and fantasy gain of the parental knowledge


no, he would rather see those sluts get their comeuppance
 
2013-04-30 08:48:46 PM

Mistymtnhop: GoldSpider: aevorea: My issue is that a 15 year old could buy plan b but not certain types of cold medicines or decongestants.

Or that a school nurse can give your kid Plan B, but not Tylenol.

School nurses are not permitted to dispense any medication at all without parental consent.


And students caught with a cough drop are in trouble.

as they should be.
 
2013-04-30 08:48:56 PM
Obligatory Patton Oswalt story. (NSFW, skip to 1:40ish)
 
2013-04-30 08:49:26 PM

make me some tea: Thisbymaster: make me some tea: Popcorn Johnny: Aarontology: Because they're two entirely different issues.

How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.

Minors still have a right to have control over their own body and their own future.

What about the parents who force the girl to have the kid against her will?

Sex is gonna happen. It's nature.

Murder and Rape is gonna happen.  it's nature.  See how that doesn't work?

How is it people do not understand the concept of consent?


It's got nothing to do with 'consent' and everything to do with the concept of 'sin'.  Sex is bad and people should only have it in the dark, quietly and neither party should enjoy it.

anything that enables people(ESPECIALLY WOMEN) to have sex safely is an evil tool of Satan and liberals.

You see, to them, a baby isn't a miracle of life and something to celebrate and carefully plan.  A baby is a PUNISHMENT for having sex outside of marriage.  "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time!"

That's what has them so riled up.  Nothing more or less than that.
 
2013-04-30 08:49:36 PM

Infernalist: Tumunga: jso2897: Tumunga: kronicfeld: Tumunga: Nope, the guvment is taking care of your kids now. Didn't you get the memo?

The government not overly regulating people's medical decisions and consumer transactions, nor conducting surveillance over children, is "taking care of your kids now"?

The government overly regulating my kid's snatch.

Your kid's snatch is YOUR territory, right?

Why don't you have a seat, right over there.

Not entirely mine, but I do have approval to sublet it to you.

LOL no, I'm sorry, this isn't 1659 and you don't own that preteen flesh.

You don't get to decide who gets in there.


But, if I keep it plugged it up with one of them there toys from the Walmart health section, ain't nobody gonna get in there.
 
2013-04-30 08:50:06 PM

jshine: Wessoman: cchris_39: From the product insert:

4 CONTRAINDICATIONS 
Plan B One-Step is contraindicated for use in the case of known or suspected pregnancy.

Yeah, giving that to scared adolescent girls without any oversight sounds like some good science.

And giving scared white people AR-15's is?

Do you know what a 'red herring' is?


Do you know what "Contraindicated" means? Besides, I was trying to troll.

SHEESH. Tough crowd.
 
2013-04-30 08:51:01 PM

jcooli09: Raharu: Contraceptives are one of the greatest boons humanity ever invented.

Making them available, allows for family planing without abortions.

People can have kids when they are ready, or never. Its up to them.

Yes, and oppressing their use is a  brand of evil.

SO MUCH ------------------------------>^^THIS^^
 
2013-04-30 08:51:06 PM

Tumunga: But, if I keep it plugged it up with one of them there toys from the Walmart health section, ain't nobody gonna get in there.


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Is this why you're not allowed to be in 100 feet of a school anymore?
 
2013-04-30 08:51:15 PM

Tumunga: Infernalist: Tumunga: jso2897: Tumunga: kronicfeld: Tumunga: Nope, the guvment is taking care of your kids now. Didn't you get the memo?

The government not overly regulating people's medical decisions and consumer transactions, nor conducting surveillance over children, is "taking care of your kids now"?

The government overly regulating my kid's snatch.

Your kid's snatch is YOUR territory, right?

Why don't you have a seat, right over there.

Not entirely mine, but I do have approval to sublet it to you.

LOL no, I'm sorry, this isn't 1659 and you don't own that preteen flesh.

You don't get to decide who gets in there.

But, if I keep it plugged it up with one of them there toys from the Walmart health section, ain't nobody gonna get in there.


lol yeah, shoulda guessed you weren't serious.
 
2013-04-30 08:51:34 PM
So, if a chick pulls a gang-bang-train, how many pills should she take?
 
2013-04-30 08:52:04 PM

Amos Quito: So, if a chick pulls a gang-bang-train, how many pills should she take?


Planning Friday's entertainment?
 
2013-04-30 08:52:19 PM
Or that a school nurse can give your kid Plan B, but not Tylenol.

Just once, I wish I could actually say what I actually think about "people" like you without getting banned from Fark.
 
2013-04-30 08:52:39 PM
I can already see the arguments of how girls are now whores with this pill.

I use condoms. With their logic, I'm a big whore as well.
 
2013-04-30 08:53:46 PM

Jackson Herring: Or that a school nurse can give your kid Plan B, but not Tylenol.

Just once, I wish I could actually say what I actually think about "people" like you without getting banned from Fark.


It's only 24 hours. LET THE HATE FLOW THROUGH YOU!
 
2013-04-30 08:53:49 PM

WizardofToast: I can already see the arguments of how girls are now whores with this pill.

I use condoms. With their logic, I'm a big whore as well.


Hell, I'm a big ol' man-whore.  Of course, guys who screw around a lot are idolized and held up as 'manly' and 'virile'.  Girls who do it are treated like shiat and looked down upon.

Yes, I'm a guy.  No, I don't give a shiat.  Tired of the double-standards.
 
2013-04-30 08:54:48 PM

Amos Quito: So, if a chick pulls a gang-bang-train, how many pills should she take?


It prevents implantation, so even if everybody on the entire Football Team coats her cervix with showstopping daubers, one is all she will need.

Pretty neat, huh?
 
2013-04-30 08:54:52 PM
There was a time a single aspirin would prevent teen pregnancy.
 
2013-04-30 08:55:22 PM

Amos Quito: So, if a chick pulls a gang-bang-train, how many pills should she take?


Yes.
 
2013-04-30 08:55:37 PM

PistolGripPump: Now, I'm not trolling nor am I trying to add to the flamewar above, and I do not have data to prove the following statement, so please be gentle.  As someone who works in the STD "industry" and has seen the growth in antibiotic-resistant strains of Gonorrhea as well as new resurgence in Syphilis cases, my only concern with the OTC status of Plan B would be it leading to a decrease in use of other contraceptive methods that prevent the spread of STDs as well as pregnancy.  If young people decide to use Plan B as Plan A and neglect to use other forms of contraception (it feels better without latex barriers, you know what I mean), this could be a very bad thing for our country (but job security for me?).


Kidding, kinda, you could contend that the OTC Plan B is part of a plan to decrease the undereducated population. 1) less babies and 2) more spread of a disease until, in the long run like with TB, it becomes impossible to treat and causes sterilization of those who contract it, like chlamydia. (And, therefore, less babies)

I imagine somewhere is a room of rich old white men who are in agreement that there are only so many resources, but far too many people. The only answer is to let the bottom part of the Bell Curve dispose of itself. Smoking, reckless behavior, inadequate medical care access, etc...

With that theory, and my tinfoil hat tipped at a rakish angle, it somehow makes sense...
 
2013-04-30 08:56:34 PM

amquelbettamin: There was a time a single aspirin would prevent teen pregnancy.


A few punches in the stomach or a tumble down the stairs worked, too.

I liked the good old days.
 
2013-04-30 08:56:34 PM
why is this a big deal?
 
2013-04-30 08:56:44 PM

Popcorn Johnny: So it's not legal for a 15 year old to consent to sex, but it's just fine if she buys a morning after pill without parental permission? Not really understanding the logic behind that decision.


And she better not smoke after sex!
 
2013-04-30 08:56:56 PM
I didn't read thread, but I'm confused as to how someone "proves" they're 15 to some random person at the check-out.
It sounds like it will just be the cashier's judgement, which means it won't be handed out to anyone without a driver's license.
 
2013-04-30 08:56:59 PM
This is going to confuse the heck out of the teen age anchor baby mommas
 
2013-04-30 08:57:03 PM

Weaver95: why is this a big deal?


Because JESUS
 
2013-04-30 08:57:10 PM

BarkingUnicorn: cchris_39: From the product insert:

4 CONTRAINDICATIONS 
Plan B One-Step is contraindicated for use in the case of known or suspected pregnancy.

Yeah, giving that to scared adolescent girls without any oversight sounds like some good science.

"Contraindicated" does not mean "dangerous."  It means, "Do not waste your money on Plan B if you're already pregnant, dumbass!"


No, you're thinking of "ineffective".  Contraindicated means increased risk of complications, to what degree in this case I freely admit I don't know, but would be interested if anyone does.
 
2013-04-30 08:57:25 PM

WizardofToast: I can already see the arguments of how girls are now whores with this pill.

I use condoms. With their logic, I'm a big whore as well.


Don't be silly, only the chattel can be sluts.
 
2013-04-30 08:57:45 PM

19 Kilo: ghetto teen poontang lab


I haven't checked, but there has to be a website where people can make their own concert T-shirts with these awesome band names.
 
2013-04-30 08:57:47 PM

Infernalist: Weaver95: why is this a big deal?

Because JESUS


I didn't see any mention of this in the new testament.
 
2013-04-30 08:57:50 PM

Igor Jakovsky: Dr. Goldshnoz: You just watch, this is going to cause crime, destroy the innocence of our children, bring the wraith of god upon us, destroy american society, and cause the further advance the women's war on men.

You just watch.

Im not looking forward to the wraith of God.  Hopefully my cleric has enough undead turning skills.


I can handle a wraith.

*takes off earrings*
 
2013-04-30 08:57:52 PM

Descartes: Popcorn Johnny: So it's not legal for a 15 year old to consent to sex, but it's just fine if she buys a morning after pill without parental permission? Not really understanding the logic behind that decision.

And she better not smoke after sex!


If she does, she's doing it way too fast
 
2013-04-30 08:58:18 PM

Wessoman: Amos Quito: So, if a chick pulls a gang-bang-train, how many pills should she take?

It prevents implantation, so even if everybody on the entire Football Team coats her cervix with showstopping daubers, one is all she will need.


Plan B include penicillin?
 
2013-04-30 08:58:49 PM

Weaver95: Infernalist: Weaver95: why is this a big deal?

Because JESUS

I didn't see any mention of this in the new testament.


Well, you don't see anything in the New Testament about immigrants, gays or evolution, but that doesn't stop them from freaking on those subjects, either.
 
2013-04-30 08:59:13 PM

douchebag/hater: And yet Sudafed is kept behind the counter and I need an ID to buy it.


If it turns out that Plan B can be used to make meth, no doubt it will be handled similarly. But you knew that.
 
2013-04-30 08:59:31 PM

Infernalist: make me some tea: Thisbymaster: make me some tea: Popcorn Johnny: Aarontology: Because they're two entirely different issues.

How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.

Minors still have a right to have control over their own body and their own future.

What about the parents who force the girl to have the kid against her will?

Sex is gonna happen. It's nature.

Murder and Rape is gonna happen.  it's nature.  See how that doesn't work?

How is it people do not understand the concept of consent?

It's got nothing to do with 'consent' and everything to do with the concept of 'sin'.  Sex is bad and people should only have it in the dark, quietly and neither party should enjoy it.

anything that enables people(ESPECIALLY WOMEN) to have sex safely is an evil tool of Satan and liberals.

You see, to them, a baby isn't a miracle of life and something to celebrate and carefully plan.  A baby is a PUNISHMENT for having sex outside of marriage.  "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time!"

That's what has them so riled up.  Nothing more or less than that.


That does make sense, actually.

I was watching the debate on PBS Newshour over this issue tonight, the crazyeyes antiabortion lady was using the Philly abortion doctor trial as an excuse to advocate putting limitations on abortion clinics all over the country.

By her logic, if a restaurant makes their patrons sick, chicken and beef should be banned from restaurants in the entire city because they might contain pathogens and the preparers might not be following health codes, and they all should have to close by 6pm and they can't advertise because it's a public health risk!!!

Also, it's amazing how right-wingers hate government regulation unless it's an issue they feel strongly about.
 
2013-04-30 08:59:31 PM

cchris_39: No, you're thinking of "ineffective".  Contraindicated means increased risk of complications, to what degree in this case I freely admit I don't know, but would be interested if anyone does.


Actually, it says that because the FDA Considers it to be a Catagory X drug for Pregnancy, meaning it has either confirmed or has a high suspicion of causing either miscarriages or teratogenic effects to the developing embryo/fetus.
 
2013-04-30 08:59:51 PM

Weaver95: Infernalist: Weaver95: why is this a big deal?

Because JESUS

I didn't see any mention of this in the new testament.


Dude, jesus talked about abortions ALL the time...

That was his BIG thing... Abortions and homo sex...
 
2013-04-30 08:59:52 PM

megarian: Exactly! This is why I think women who naturally have spontaneous miscarriages should be tried on charges of manslaughter. People (well, women) should do everything they can to make the womb a scientifically perfect environment for any potentially potential fertilized egg irregardless of weather or not they know they are pregnant. Because who knows?!? That egg that naturally was rejected could have been that one in 10^23 chance that the PERSON every egg is could have saved the world.


Just miscarriages? Man, you're not thinking big enough. Just think about every egg which goes to waste each time a woman has her period? You're talking about each woman being responsible for  dozens of lives being lost!
 
2013-04-30 08:59:53 PM
I see a farkton of men arguing about this in every thread.

Hey, I've got a crazy idea: How about if everybody who isn't capable of bearing children shut the fark up about what you think someone else should do in the areas of birth control and pregnancy? If you can't do it, you don't get to have an opinion, per the Basic Rule of Life #7: Mind Your Own Farking Business.
 
2013-04-30 08:59:58 PM

Weaver95: why is this a big deal?


The slippery slope got slipperier.
 
2013-04-30 09:00:20 PM

Bathia_Mapes: fusillade762: Just out of curiosity: how does a 15-year-old prove their age?

I'm guessing school ID cards. A lot of school districts put the DOB on them in addition to the student's picture.


My guess is this bill brings guilt/parental involvement into it by making kids have to ask where the hell their birth certificate is so they can get a non-driver's ID. I had one at 15 or so because it was required for a school trip out of state. ID issued by the school, even a college, might not have DOB, and some fundie might consider keeping it off in some states "for the children." My guess is that most places will only accept "state or federally issued" ID.
 
2013-04-30 09:00:32 PM
dmax:
I imagine somewhere is a room of rich old white men who are in agreement that there are only so many resources, but far too many people. The only answer is to let the bottom part of the Bell Curve dispose of itself. Smoking, reckless behavior, inadequate medical care access, etc...

Why would they want less poor, uneducated people? They're the ones that toil in their factories (sometimes illegally) and vote their puppets into power.
The intelligentsia is the enemy, not the working poor.
 
2013-04-30 09:00:37 PM

Weaver95: Infernalist: Weaver95: why is this a big deal?

Because JESUS

I didn't see any mention of this in the new testament.


In the book of Matthew, Jesus clearly defines an embryo as a person with rights. Look it up!!!
 
2013-04-30 09:00:39 PM

Infernalist: Weaver95: Infernalist: Weaver95: why is this a big deal?

Because JESUS

I didn't see any mention of this in the new testament.

Well, you don't see anything in the New Testament about immigrants, gays or evolution, but that doesn't stop them from freaking on those subjects, either.


true.  the evangelicals don't actually worship the christian god(s), they follow a much older series of deities.  blood, death, greed...we've seen those gods before.
 
2013-04-30 09:01:29 PM

LibertyHiller: I see a farkton of men arguing about this in every thread.

Hey, I've got a crazy idea: How about if everybody who isn't capable of bearing children shut the fark up about what you think someone else should do in the areas of birth control and pregnancy? If you can't do it, you don't get to have an opinion, per the Basic Rule of Life #7: Mind Your Own Farking Business.


Hey, some of my best friends are women.  promiscuous women at that.
 
2013-04-30 09:02:06 PM

Amos Quito: So, if a chick pulls a gang-bang-train, how many pills should she take?


To get her in the mood before the camera starts rolling or to prevent a pregnancy afterward?
 
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