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2013-04-30 08:19:03 PM
I sincerely doubt that a single 15 year old out there will have any issues at all getting this if they truly want it.

They have little issue getting their hands on cigarettes and/or liquor, after all.  I would suspect that the same 18+ crowd that enables their bad habits will be more than happy to help them with this, as well.
 
2013-04-30 08:19:30 PM
Now, I'm not trolling nor am I trying to add to the flamewar above, and I do not have data to prove the following statement, so please be gentle.  As someone who works in the STD "industry" and has seen the growth in antibiotic-resistant strains of Gonorrhea as well as new resurgence in Syphilis cases, my only concern with the OTC status of Plan B would be it leading to a decrease in use of other contraceptive methods that prevent the spread of STDs as well as pregnancy.  If young people decide to use Plan B as Plan A and neglect to use other forms of contraception (it feels better without latex barriers, you know what I mean), this could be a very bad thing for our country (but job security for me?).
 
2013-04-30 08:20:04 PM

megarian: /the reptiles control all.


Paging Obama's Reptilian Master to the thread.
 
2013-04-30 08:20:25 PM

TheOnion: Anthracite: TheOnion: Popcorn Johnny: So it's not legal for a 15 year old to consent to sex, but it's just fine if she buys a morning after pill without parental permission? Not really understanding the logic behind that decision.

Should we also ban the purchase of contraception?

Also, it's legal for a 15 year old to have sex with another 15 year old.  And they do it all the time without worrying much about the law (and would continue to do so even if it were illegal).  Since this is going to happen anyway, we would at least like to limit the number of children produced from the activity.

You are assuming that a 15 yr old has the brains to make that decision. I highly doubt it. There is a reason why they can't drive, vote or drink legally at that age.

I'm not assuming anything.  15 year olds have sex.  It's a fact.  The legality of the issue sure doesn't stop them either.  The only question is do we want them to be able to legally purchase protection.  If we say yes, we accept that they'll have sex, but the availability of protection should reduce the rate of STDs and unplanned pregnancy.  If we say no, we accept that they'll have sex, but pay the price of increased STDs and unplanned pregnancy for the benefit of...something.


The average 15 year old today is far too busy playing Yu Gi Oh or Call or Duty or whatever nonsense the kids are into now, to be bothered socializing with females. I know more people today ranging in age from 16-30 that aren't having sex, and couldn't find someone to have sex with even if they wanted to, than in any other time in history, and most of them don't even care and don't want to try, so the whole hormones, human nature, kids are going to be kids argument is a load of bunk.
 
2013-04-30 08:20:40 PM

Rincewind53: So then I go back to my other question. Do you think condoms should require parental permission/notification? Condoms and Plan B do the same things, just at different times.


Not quite.  Condoms prevent the sperm from fertilizing the egg.  Plan B prevents the already fertilized egg from implanting in the uterus. For those who believe that life begins at fertilization Plan B is tantamount to infanticide.

/does not believe life begins at fertilization.
 
2013-04-30 08:21:29 PM
It'll be fun to watch conservatives whine and moan about how there needs to be more government oversight and regulation here, completely incapable of processing that cognitive dissonance.
 
2013-04-30 08:21:34 PM

PistolGripPump: Now, I'm not trolling nor am I trying to add to the flamewar above, and I do not have data to prove the following statement, so please be gentle.  As someone who works in the STD "industry" and has seen the growth in antibiotic-resistant strains of Gonorrhea as well as new resurgence in Syphilis cases, my only concern with the OTC status of Plan B would be it leading to a decrease in use of other contraceptive methods that prevent the spread of STDs as well as pregnancy.  If young people decide to use Plan B as Plan A and neglect to use other forms of contraception (it feels better without latex barriers, you know what I mean), this could be a very bad thing for our country (but job security for me?).


This is a solid point.  It bears repeating that this Plan B thing is only 'part' of a responsible approach to your sex life and shouldn't be seen as a silver bullet approach to safe sex.

In short, people still need to wear condoms and be careful who they bump uglies with.
 
2013-04-30 08:22:23 PM

Mr. Eugenides: Freakanomics does a good job of laying out the case for that.  That unwanted children are more likely to end up involved in crime and reducing unwanted children has a follow on effect of reducing crime a couple of decades later.


I've read the book, got a copy of it on my shelf in front of me in fact. The statistics indicate that there is a correlation based on the data and that correlation remains when you isolate for the factors the authors were able to do regression analysis for.
 
2013-04-30 08:22:41 PM

spman: TheOnion: Anthracite: TheOnion: Popcorn Johnny: So it's not legal for a 15 year old to consent to sex, but it's just fine if she buys a morning after pill without parental permission? Not really understanding the logic behind that decision.

Should we also ban the purchase of contraception?

Also, it's legal for a 15 year old to have sex with another 15 year old.  And they do it all the time without worrying much about the law (and would continue to do so even if it were illegal).  Since this is going to happen anyway, we would at least like to limit the number of children produced from the activity.

You are assuming that a 15 yr old has the brains to make that decision. I highly doubt it. There is a reason why they can't drive, vote or drink legally at that age.

I'm not assuming anything.  15 year olds have sex.  It's a fact.  The legality of the issue sure doesn't stop them either.  The only question is do we want them to be able to legally purchase protection.  If we say yes, we accept that they'll have sex, but the availability of protection should reduce the rate of STDs and unplanned pregnancy.  If we say no, we accept that they'll have sex, but pay the price of increased STDs and unplanned pregnancy for the benefit of...something.

The average 15 year old today is far too busy playing Yu Gi Oh or Call or Duty or whatever nonsense the kids are into now, to be bothered socializing with females. I know more people today ranging in age from 16-30 that aren't having sex, and couldn't find someone to have sex with even if they wanted to, than in any other time in history, and most of them don't even care and don't want to try, so the whole hormones, human nature, kids are going to be kids argument is a load of bunk.


Well, your anecdotal personal experience certainly trumps decades of scientific study and research, doesn't it?
 
2013-04-30 08:23:14 PM
spman:

The average 15 year old today is far too busy playing Yu Gi Oh or Call or Duty or whatever nonsense the kids are into now, to be bothered socializing with females. I know more people today ranging in age from 16-30 that aren't having sex, and couldn't find someone to have sex with even if they wanted to, than in any other time in history, and most of them don't even care and don't want to try, so the whole hormones, human nature, kids are going to be kids argument is a load of bunk.

Are you serious?
 
2013-04-30 08:23:32 PM

spman: and most of them don't even care and don't want to try, so the whole hormones, human nature, kids are going to be kids argument is a load of bunk.

 
2013-04-30 08:23:37 PM

Popcorn Johnny: So it's not legal for a 15 year old to consent to sex, but it's just fine if she buys a morning after pill without parental permission? Not really understanding the logic behind that decision.


Some 15 year olds are impregnated by their parents.
 
2013-04-30 08:23:44 PM

Popcorn Johnny: How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.


Except that they don't, by federal law.

I cannot tell a parent anything related to their child's sexual activity - including medical information, without that child's permission if they are over 14 years of age.
 
2013-04-30 08:23:47 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Aarontology: Because they're two entirely different issues.

How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.


So you want them to watch?
 
2013-04-30 08:23:54 PM

fusillade762: Just out of curiosity: how does a 15-year-old prove their age?


show their tits?
 
2013-04-30 08:24:09 PM

PistolGripPump:  someone who works in the STD "industry"


Better not put that on your business card.
 
2013-04-30 08:24:35 PM

Mr. Eugenides: Not quite.  Condoms prevent the sperm from fertilizing the egg.  Plan B prevents the already fertilized egg from implanting in the uterus.


Not quite. Plan B can also prevent ovulation. And fertilization.
 
2013-04-30 08:25:23 PM
A victory for vaginas everywere.
 
2013-04-30 08:25:34 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Rincewind53: Do you think condoms should require parental permission/notification? Condoms and Plan B do the same things, just at different times.

For people under the age of consent? Yes they should.


If you don't want your kids having sex, using condoms, or buying Plan B, teach them not to do those things.  Why do we have to make up for your shiatty parenting?
 
2013-04-30 08:26:08 PM

TomD9938: I wonder who we will have lost.


Exactly no one.
 
2013-04-30 08:26:16 PM

Infernalist: Is there a patent on it, or are we going to see a 'generic' effect, where a dozen companies provide the same product under different names at increasingly cheaper prices?


If we see such price competition, it won't benefit consumers.  Walgreens will buy the cheapest product and sell it for as much as possible.  There won't be a dozen brands on the shelf any more than there are dozen brands of nicotine patches.
 
2013-04-30 08:26:49 PM

Infernalist: Winnar!


Can't take credit that's all George Carlin. He had a bit about OTC birth control pills way back in '72
 
2013-04-30 08:26:57 PM
Brought to you by the woman who was recently the well-respected governor of Kansas. Can you believe it?
 
2013-04-30 08:27:03 PM
You people do realize that Plan B works by inhibiting ovulation, right?
 
2013-04-30 08:27:07 PM

Popcorn Johnny: So it's not legal for a 15 year old to consent to sex, but it's just fine if she buys a morning after pill without parental permission? Not really understanding the logic behind that decision.


It's perfectly logical in GOP land where a GOPer's daughter is pregnant and he sneaks her over to an abortion state while covering it up.
 
2013-04-30 08:27:15 PM

Kimothy: Staffist: Kimothy: Good. Can't wait to see the fundies crying in their Cheerios over this one.


Why would they cry?  Poor women are three times more likely to seek abortions than rich women and poor women are far more likely to vote Democrat. This will keep more potential Democrats from being born. The fundies are probably secretly overjoyed that the people most likely to seek abortions are those most likely to oppose them politically,  regardless of what they say.
 
2013-04-30 08:27:15 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Infernalist: Is there a patent on it, or are we going to see a 'generic' effect, where a dozen companies provide the same product under different names at increasingly cheaper prices?

If we see such price competition, it won't benefit consumers.  Walgreens will buy the cheapest product and sell it for as much as possible.  There won't be a dozen brands on the shelf any more than there are dozen brands of nicotine patches.


Well, I don't see why not.  I see a dozen different kinds of aspirin whenever I head to the store, why not this?
 
2013-04-30 08:27:19 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: Dr. Goldshnoz: You just watch, this is going to cause crime, destroy the innocence of our children, bring the wraith of god upon us, destroy american society, and cause the further advance the women's war on men.

You just watch.

I don't think so. According to Pat Robertson and the late (yay!) Jerry Falwell, homos are to blame for all those things. Homos and lezzies. Homos, lesbians, and pagans. Homos, lesbians, pagans, and...oh forget it.  Let's just call it "everyone who doesn't watch Pat Robertson".


Homos, lesbians and pagans! Oh my!
 
2013-04-30 08:27:48 PM
Let's all go out tonight and create some unwanted pregnancies!
 
2013-04-30 08:27:53 PM

kronicfeld: Tumunga: Nope, the guvment is taking care of your kids now. Didn't you get the memo?

The government not overly regulating people's medical decisions and consumer transactions, nor conducting surveillance over children, is "taking care of your kids now"?


The government overly regulating my kid's snatch.
 
2013-04-30 08:27:54 PM

ManateeGag: cant wait to see the first commercial for it.


I wonder if it will look anything like this commercial for birth control.
 
2013-04-30 08:28:21 PM

perigee: [www.maureenmcgovern.com image 437x600]
APPROVES!
She's been waiting for this since 1973!


Funnied and smarted.
/Hat's off.
 
2013-04-30 08:28:22 PM

BarkingUnicorn: There won't be a dozen brands on the shelf any more than there are dozen brands of nicotine patches.


Nicoderm, Equate, Habitrol, Rugby, ...were you saying something?
 
2013-04-30 08:28:23 PM

Rincewind53: Popcorn Johnny: So it's not legal for a 15 year old to consent to sex, but it's just fine if she buys a morning after pill without parental permission? Not really understanding the logic behind that decision.

First, in most states, it's legal under many circumstances.
Second, your analogy is flawed. It's like saying "It's illegal for felons to own guns, therefore felons should be unable to receive medical treatment if they accidentally shoot themselves with a gun."


In that circumstance the gunshot wound should be treated, obviously, but it should also be reported to the police, which is what happens. ...or parents, by analogy.
 
2013-04-30 08:28:27 PM

MeanJean: You people do realize that Plan B works by inhibiting ovulation, right?


gasp  you're right.

Quick, tell me more.
 
2013-04-30 08:28:40 PM
Good.

In the interests of both disclosure and giving someone something to be butthurt about, I will say that I am morally opposed to abortion, but there are a few reasons why I say that I think this is a good thing:

1) It's none of my business.
2) There are two things that I am sure of-there is a God, and I'm not him. I have no right to judge.
3) Since this prevents implantation, it's not strictly speaking abortion.
 
2013-04-30 08:28:58 PM

bugontherug: ontariolightning: Aboot time Americans. Plan B has no age limit in Canada and sold over the counter / on the shelves. This is the stuff that can help prevent future abortions. Great day for the

So a thirteen year old in Canada can just walk up to the pharmacy counter and buy Plan B, no questions asked?


yes
 
2013-04-30 08:29:22 PM

VaportrailFilms: Hmm. What's next?
Chewables? 

...dissolvables. "Have a wild night? Making her breakfast? Drop one of these in her OJ and you're good to go!"

It's possible I'm a terrible person.


No, you're not.  It's about damned time men were liberated from latex and surgery.

/window seat, please
 
2013-04-30 08:30:09 PM
So know every time a prepare breakfast for ladyfriends who stay the night, there will be a secret ingredient.
 
2013-04-30 08:30:37 PM
Void where prohibited.*


*and probably punishable by death in Texas.
 
2013-04-30 08:31:07 PM

Qellaqan: TomD9938: I wonder who we will have lost.

You know it isn't a zero-sum game.... right?

Girls and women who use this and who get abortions can go onto have children. Kids they maybe wouldn't have had if they were forced to have this one. Kids they in all likelihood will be better equipped to raise, since studies show women tend to make good judgements as to whether or not they can afford a child when they have an abortion. But no, lost kids.

\fed the troll =(


Very nutritious feed though.
 
2013-04-30 08:31:32 PM
i38.tinypic.com
 
2013-04-30 08:31:48 PM

PistolGripPump: Now, I'm not trolling nor am I trying to add to the flamewar above, and I do not have data to prove the following statement, so please be gentle.  As someone who works in the STD "industry" and has seen the growth in antibiotic-resistant strains of Gonorrhea as well as new resurgence in Syphilis cases, my only concern with the OTC status of Plan B would be it leading to a decrease in use of other contraceptive methods that prevent the spread of STDs as well as pregnancy.  If young people decide to use Plan B as Plan A and neglect to use other forms of contraception (it feels better without latex barriers, you know what I mean), this could be a very bad thing for our country (but job security for me?).


It's certainly possible, but this is still a step in the right direction, IMO.
 
2013-04-30 08:31:58 PM
My issue is that a 15 year old could buy plan b but not certain types of cold medicines or decongestants.
 
2013-04-30 08:32:56 PM

Tumunga: kronicfeld: Tumunga: Nope, the guvment is taking care of your kids now. Didn't you get the memo?

The government not overly regulating people's medical decisions and consumer transactions, nor conducting surveillance over children, is "taking care of your kids now"?

The government overly regulating my kid's snatch.


Your kid's snatch is YOUR territory, right?

Why don't you have a seat, right over there.
 
2013-04-30 08:32:58 PM

make me some tea: Popcorn Johnny: Aarontology: Because they're two entirely different issues.

How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.

Minors still have a right to have control over their own body and their own future.

What about the parents who force the girl to have the kid against her will?

Sex is gonna happen. It's nature.


Murder and Rape is gonna happen.  it's nature.  See how that doesn't work?
 
2013-04-30 08:33:03 PM

aevorea: My issue is that a 15 year old could buy plan b but not certain types of cold medicines or decongestants.


that 15 year old can't get high on Plan B.

Blame it on our collective freak-out over drugs.
 
2013-04-30 08:33:55 PM
Old The Onion article:

"Taco Bell Introduces New 'Morning After' Burrito."

THE CONTRACEPTIMELT

/classic
 
2013-04-30 08:34:23 PM

rustypouch: So know every time a prepare breakfast for ladyfriends who stay the night, there will be a secret ingredient.


"These eggs taste great. What's your secret?"

"They've been fertilized, but only for one night..."

*wink*
 
2013-04-30 08:34:27 PM

Infernalist: In short, people still need to wear condoms and be careful who they bump uglies with.


Yes, which is why schools need comprehensive sex ed, not just abstinence-only sex ed.
 
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