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(Chicago Trib)   Deaths from prescription drugs: thousands. Deaths from marijauna: none. No wait...we may have a late entry   (chicagotribune.com) divider line 178
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2013-05-01 02:01:20 AM

Old Man Winter: I've no doubt pot will be legal in all 50 in my lifetime and that doesn't t bother me especially when we start taxing the shiat out of it, which we will.
That said, people die from pot all the time, we just call it accidental deaths.  20 years back in high school I was at a party and we were all high.  One very normal kid got it in his head to jump out a window, lands wrong breaks his neck and dies a few days later.  Accident,.
Another friend  normally a very conscientious driver, had been smoking all day, got hungry, went to get food and tried to beat a train at a crossing.  Didn't make it.  Accident.
Those were just two I personally knew.  My mom used to tell me a story about when she was young in the late '60's.  On a roadtrip, her and a group had been driving and smoking and one guy gets them to stop on a stretch near a farm.  He wanted to see a bull up close.  Gored and repeatedly trampled.  Accident.
People do stupid things when they are high and consistent users consistently do stupid things.


Consistent idiots post consistently stupid things. Seek help.
 
2013-05-01 02:01:47 AM

ElFugawz: [25.media.tumblr.com image 318x291]

So smoking weed can't kill, but smoking cigarettes can?  You can't really OD on cigarettes either.

I am fine with smoking a little pot, but not just making shiat up to defend it.


BULLshiat. WIKI: It is unlikely that a person would overdose on nicotine through smoking alone, although overdose can occur through combined use of nicotine patches or nicotine gum and cigarettes at the same time.[7] Spilling a high concentration (about ~110mg, LD50 of 60-90mg) of nicotine onto the skin can cause intoxication or even death, since nicotine readily passes into the bloodstream following dermal contact.[71]

Try that with any amount of pure THC you can get your paws on (LD50=85 GRAMS for a 150lb human)... You can personally buy enough nicotine to kill someone at any corner store.

Ever watch a naive person smoke two whole cigarettes too quickly? It's not pretty. I mean, seizure, spasm, 8 hours on the floor. You obviously have never seen nicotine narcosis first hand. I have.

Nicotine is goddamn lethal and you should know that by now (fatherly frowny face for you)
 
2013-05-01 02:02:29 AM

Oldiron_79: The number 1 killer in the US is obeisity caused heart disease, and diabeetus complications is in like the top 10, and marijuana gives you the munchies, so how many countless millions of Americans have been killed by the munchies?


not enough

/apparently
// hands Oldiron the joint
/ and a bagful of sunflower seeds, some chocolate ice cream and half a dozen white castle sliders, four fried chickens and a coke
 
2013-05-01 02:07:03 AM

Hrist: CPXBRex: mjbok: Funny that within 20 seconds of each other we both used prohibition as a talking point, but used on either side of the spectrum.

If you're comparing coke, heroin, or alcohol you would have to do it based on percentage of population, not on raw numbers.  For example cocaine was made illegal in 1914 when the population was around 100 million, whereas today it is around 315 million.

Also you are comparing drastically different times in the US.  The infrastructure and supply chains (both legal and illegal) are not comparable from 100 years ago.  There just wouldn't have been the supply and the ways to get it from point a to point b (legal or not) back then that exist today.

I can't say for anything other than alcohol during the Prohibition, but per capita use of alcohol rose during Prohibition.  There was a decline for a bit but then, when organized crime came to dominate the illegal alcohol production and distribution, drinking reached all time per capita highs.

It's probably hard to find meaningful demographic information vis-a-vis cocaine and heroin use in the years immediately after the drugs became outlawed, but the data about Prohibition's effect on alcohol consumption is pretty easy to find.

Back in the day, cocaine and heroin usage weren't exactly big problems outside of a very few problem areas.  They were more than likely outlawed because someone fairly close to some lawmaker or politician got into it and screwed their lives up.  I'm not saying it was right or wrong, just saying.  At that time, recreational drug use wasn't really a very big thing.  It wasn't widely talked about.  I don't think it was until the middle of the 1900s when they were able to even test people for those substances anyway...so you'd pretty much have to rely on them telling you what they've done.  Otherwise they could be on about anything.  Are they drunk?  Do they have a cold?  Did they smoke a shiat ton of opium?  Are they having a stroke?  Who knows?

I actually ...


Spare us your babbling and ridiculous speculation.
 
2013-05-01 02:09:40 AM

wildcardjack: TheJoe03: CPXBRex: About 1% of all traffic accidents can be attributed to cannabis use.

So it's not a big problem then.

Maybe not, but if they're in the center lane doing 45 in a 60 I'll be their farking cause of death.


About 98% of all raffic accidents can be attributed to morons. Most morons are Republican. Ergo...
 
2013-05-01 02:40:56 AM

LookForTheArrow: Ever watch a naive person smoke two whole cigarettes too quickly? It's not pretty. I mean, seizure, spasm, 8 hours on the floor


Wha?!?  From 2 smokes?
 
2013-05-01 02:54:15 AM

SlothB77: Only on fark do people believe no one has died from marijuana.


Not true at all, I've seen a lot of people on other forums and in person say it as well.
 
2013-05-01 03:06:38 AM

justoneznot: SlothB77: Only on fark do people believe no one has died from marijuana.

Not true at all, I've seen a lot of people on other forums and in person say it as well.


Probably because it's true.
 
2013-05-01 03:18:45 AM

chewd: LookForTheArrow: Ever watch a naive person smoke two whole cigarettes too quickly? It's not pretty. I mean, seizure, spasm, 8 hours on the floor

Wha?!?  From 2 smokes?


Yep, notice i didn't say lethal from 2 smokes, but a very, very ugly scene. take a non-smoker (yourself if you fit the bill and your nuts) and take two marlboro reds.. now, with nice deep pulls, smoke them both in 5-10 minutes.

Experience first-hand why nicotine is produced by plants... [to kill bugs dead].
 
2013-05-01 03:35:27 AM

Smoked: ladyfortuna: It didn't occur to me the first time I looked at this, but I once met someone who was bipolar and went off his meds and decided to smoke some pot because it was his birthday. I was interning with a police department and the apartment complex security called the PD up to handle it (rightly so, in my opinion). He was extremely mellow and I doubt he was a threat, but when the officers asked him the date and his address, he couldn't answer. Inability to answer those questions would scare the hell out of me. We ended up taking him to the hospital as a precaution; I suspect his wife who came home in the middle of all the excitement probably read him the riot act later...

He went off his meds. But you decided pot was the problem.


*I* didn't decide shiat. I was an intern taking notes. That would be the cops and the EMTs who took him to the hospital in the first place. I misspoke when I said 'we', there was an ambulance; I just forgot about that since it was seven years ago, and not even all that exciting compared to other stuff that went on. Also being bipolar doesn't make your forget where you are or the date, as far as I know...
 
2013-05-01 05:23:36 AM

4seasons85!: lewismarktwo: adenosine: Jument: Either way, you shouldn't be smoking anywhere in an apartment complex. Even if it's perfectly legal, it's a way stronger smell than cigarette smoke.

No, cigs smell way worse. My neighbors partake on occasion late at night and they are nothing compared to the prior guys that would smoke cigs. The main problem I have is that there is no way for me to lawfully buy some so I can join in on the fun.

Yep, cigs are way worse and smell permeates and lingers unlike cannabis.

Hell, I used to vape cannabis (even less smelly than smoking) when I had a strait edge roommate that claimed she could 'always smell it, every time, even on clothes afterwards'.  She was clueless.  I know because she would definitely have lectured me if she knew.

Also, driving while high on cannabis is simply not a real problem, but it is the new 'hey whoa, let's not let people just use cannabis freely' talkingpoint campaign.

I'm honestly curious why you don't think driving while high on pot is a problem. No snark. I have heard others say that and this is my biggest concern when it comes to legalizing pot. I lost a friend to a drunk driver so I am worried this will mean more impaired people on the road.




People that are falling asleep at the wheel. They need to be stopped. Think about all the children that will get to live. You don't hate the children, do you?
 
2013-05-01 08:25:38 AM
Death by sudden impact with the ground. Invalid headline.
 
2013-05-01 08:33:59 AM

Smoked: The Muthaship: I like hard drug users, they have the decency to OD once in a while.  Pot heads just soak up resources forever.

Another totalfarkhead. How much did you give to Rimjob this month?


Never paid a nickel.
 
2013-05-01 08:37:46 AM

scottydoesntknow: Actually subby, that's a death from the WAR on drugs. Thousands have been killed because of the war, not the actual plant.


Street trade of perscription drugs causes more deaths than street trade and international over pot.

The real tricky question is "how many people would suffer death-by-stoner if we didn't fire the shiats who weed up?"
 
2013-05-01 09:54:28 AM
Deaths from marijuana equals zero? Says who? A considerable portion of the population is allergic to many components found in cannabis. For some (such as myself) exposure can be fatal. It's also been linked to renal failure and electrolyte imbalances that can be dangerous. For all the good things you hear about marijuana it's amazing how much people disregard the rest of the medical research.
 
2013-05-01 10:18:50 AM

xkillyourfacex: Deaths from marijuana equals zero? Says who? A considerable portion of the population is allergic to many components found in cannabis. For some (such as myself) exposure can be fatal. It's also been linked to renal failure and electrolyte imbalances that can be dangerous. For all the good things you hear about marijuana it's amazing how much people disregard the rest of the medical research.


If it must be said, so be it. You can not, ok those who are not deathly allergic to pot, smoke a lethal dose of pot like drinking a lethal dose of alcohol. For health issues is not a reason to arrest people for smoking pot, drink to much coffee can have health issues but we do not arrest people for coffee drinking. Pot intoxication is not a reason to arrest people for pot, we do not arrest people for buying alcohol. Anything outside moderation is dangerous, pot, alcohol, cigs, coffee, bacon, butter, beef and so on.
 
2013-05-01 10:20:50 AM

TheJoe03: Mr. Eugenides: TheJoe03: CPXBRex: About 1% of all traffic accidents can be attributed to cannabis use.

So it's not a big problem then.

There were 36,000 traffic fatalities in the US last year.  By your math, 360 are because of marijuana use.  So I guess that blows the whole "pot doesn't kill people" theory.

Not my math and dude said they were traffic accidents, not fatalities. Seems certain people are reaching really hard to justify their shiatty views on marijuana.


If you think there were only 36,000 accidents last year you must be smoking some really good stuff.
 
2013-05-01 11:21:55 AM
So is this the point where the Drug War officially jumped the shark?
 
2013-05-01 11:32:52 AM

scottydoesntknow: Actually subby, that's a death from the WAR on drugs. Thousands have been killed because of the war, not the actual plant.


THIS
close thread, delete all the rest of the comments
/PS if you support the war on drugs, you support gang shootings, addiction and the murder of innocent citizens
/thanks
 
2013-05-01 12:06:41 PM

8zo: teenage mutant ninja rapist: ladyfortuna: It didn't occur to me the first time I looked at this, but I once met someone who was bipolar and went off his meds and decided to smoke some pot because it was his birthday. I was interning with a police department and the apartment complex security called the PD up to handle it (rightly so, in my opinion). He was extremely mellow and I doubt he was a threat, but when the officers asked him the date and his address, he couldn't answer. Inability to answer those questions would scare the hell out of me. We ended up taking him to the hospital as a precaution; I suspect his wife who came home in the middle of all the excitement probably read him the riot act later...

He was mellow? The first thing everyone involved should have done was mind their own damned business.
he was mellow. Not harming anyone.

why the need to hassle the man?

there isnt one. If he wasnt a danger to himself or others.
everyone else should have farked off and let him be

Excellent call, because someone who is "mellow" and cannot remember the date of where they live could not possibly be having a real medical problem like a stroke!


That's a pretty big jump there, straight to stroke.

Maybe I should just call an ambulance every time I see someone with a flushed face, after all, that's one of the symptoms of heart attack!

"Can't remember the date or where they live" - Sounds like some great weed, to me.
 
2013-05-01 12:08:49 PM

TheJoe03: CPXBRex: About 1% of all traffic accidents can be attributed to cannabis use.

So it's not a big problem then.


I'm curious. By attributed, do you mean "caused by" or "associated with"?

Because someone who has cannabis in their system and is hit by some other dumbass is automatically at fault.  I always wonder what happens if you account for the rate at which intoxicated drivers are hit by people who are just f*cking stupid in their own right.
 
2013-05-01 12:27:41 PM

Kingly Weevil: I'm curious. By attributed, do you mean "caused by" or "associated with"?

Because someone who has cannabis in their system and is hit by some other dumbass is automatically at fault.  I always wonder what happens if you account for the rate at which intoxicated drivers are hit by people who are just f*cking stupid in their own right.


It's a really good question, but I don't have a really good answer.  From what I read, about 1% of traffic accidents are "caused" by someone who is judged to have been high at the time.  (And as someone else said, it's really hard to judge if someone is intoxicated by cannabis so that number could easily be a lowball figure.)  But, like you said, intoxication is considered an aggravating cause, regardless of whether or not the intoxicated person was in the wrong.  That would require more research than I'm willing to do right now.

I was just saying, though, that a certain number of traffic accidents, and thus fatalities, are caused by cannabis consumption and the official number is about 1%.
 
2013-05-01 12:32:22 PM

A Shambling Mound: Rezurok: mjbok: For all of the deaths that attributed to smoking and alcohol that really are not because of them, this seems fair.

What deaths are attributed to smoking that are directly caused by smoking?  Granted, some deaths attributed to alcohol are really caused by drinking alcohol and THEN doing ____, but smoking?  I'm having trouble coming up with a realistic example.

I don't think it seems unreasonable to suggest that not every case of cancer in smokers was actually caused by smoking. It's probably wrong in the case of specific studies that likely already account for it, but it sure doesn't seem unreasonable.


mjbok: Rezurok: What deaths are attributed to smoking that are directly caused by smoking? Granted, some deaths attributed to alcohol are really caused by drinking alcohol and THEN doing ____, but smoking? I'm having trouble coming up with a realistic example.

If you die of cancer and you smoked (pretty much ever) it is listed as a smoking related death.  Same thing with heart attacks, heart disease, hyper tension, etc.

I had a friend who died of cancer at a young age.  He never smoked.  Not once.  The coroner didn't believe it.

//Smoking is bad, no one denies that (anymore), but even though smoking can and does cause cancer not everyone who dies of cancer who smoked got cancer from smoking.


While I agree with both of you to an extent, the problem is it's a matter of probabilities.  Smoking vastly increases your odds of cancer, hypertension, heart disease, etc.  How are you to sort out which are a direct result and which are not?  The best you can do is figure the mortality rate by disease for nonsmokers vs smokers, and try to work out how many deaths were likely to have been smoking related.  I'd honestly be surprised if the numbers don't reflect that already.  Also, that coroner sounds like an asshole.
 
2013-05-01 02:50:51 PM

Mr. Eugenides: If you think there were only 36,000 accidents last year you must be smoking some really good stuff.


Huh? All I did was correct you by saying the guy I was responding to said accidents, while you started talking about traffic fatalities. Keep up.
 
2013-05-01 03:04:47 PM

Oldiron_79: The number 1 killer in the US is obeisity caused heart disease, and diabeetus complications is in like the top 10, and marijuana gives you the munchies, so how many countless millions of Americans have been killed by the munchies?


Good question.  Did you know that the #1 cause of death worldwide is birth?

/I don't take life too seriously, I know I won't make it out alive.
 
2013-05-01 03:31:10 PM

A Shambling Mound: Alternately, you could say that cops killed a guy because he was smoking weed.

It's just as totally inaccurate but does have a nice ring to it.


How do you know they didn't throw him out the window themselves? Yeah, "found him" laying on the roof.
 
2013-05-01 04:59:01 PM

LookForTheArrow: ElFugawz: [25.media.tumblr.com image 318x291]

So smoking weed can't kill, but smoking cigarettes can?  You can't really OD on cigarettes either.

I am fine with smoking a little pot, but not just making shiat up to defend it.

BULLshiat. WIKI: It is unlikely that a person would overdose on nicotine through smoking alone, although overdose can occur through combined use of nicotine patches or nicotine gum and cigarettes at the same time.[7] Spilling a high concentration (about ~110mg, LD50 of 60-90mg) of nicotine onto the skin can cause intoxication or even death, since nicotine readily passes into the bloodstream following dermal contact.[71]

Try that with any amount of pure THC you can get your paws on (LD50=85 GRAMS for a 150lb human)... You can personally buy enough nicotine to kill someone at any corner store.

Ever watch a naive person smoke two whole cigarettes too quickly? It's not pretty. I mean, seizure, spasm, 8 hours on the floor. You obviously have never seen nicotine narcosis first hand. I have.

Nicotine is goddamn lethal and you should know that by now (fatherly frowny face for you)


I had a friend in high school that took an entire Lucky Strike in one hit through a gallon jug gravity bong, that was funny as heck!  Of course this was the same idiot friend that snorted Binaca on a dare and spaz'd out in algebra class.  He was fun to hang out with but did some really dumb shiat.
 
2013-05-01 05:41:46 PM

Rezurok: I'd honestly be surprised if the numbers don't reflect that already. Also, that coroner sounds like an asshole.


They don't.  He was.
 
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