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(Chicago Trib)   Deaths from prescription drugs: thousands. Deaths from marijauna: none. No wait...we may have a late entry   (chicagotribune.com) divider line 178
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2013-04-30 09:30:57 PM

Old Man Winter: I've no doubt pot will be legal in all 50 in my lifetime and that doesn't t bother me especially when we start taxing the shiat out of it, which we will.
That said, people die from pot all the time, we just call it accidental deaths.  20 years back in high school I was at a party and we were all high.  One very normal kid got it in his head to jump out a window, lands wrong breaks his neck and dies a few days later.  Accident,.
Another friend  normally a very conscientious driver, had been smoking all day, got hungry, went to get food and tried to beat a train at a crossing.  Didn't make it.  Accident.
Those were just two I personally knew.  My mom used to tell me a story about when she was young in the late '60's.  On a roadtrip, her and a group had been driving and smoking and one guy gets them to stop on a stretch near a farm.  He wanted to see a bull up close.  Gored and repeatedly trampled.  Accident.
People do stupid things when they are high and consistent users consistently do stupid things.


Cool story bro. Smells like bullshait.
 
2013-04-30 09:32:50 PM
Someone who is not me smokes a lot and he says that there is no reason to deny that pot impairs judgment and people die of misadventures while intoxicated on pot while at the same time believing that it's criminalization is pretty goofy because it is neither inherently toxic nor is it more incapacitating than other drugs -- particularly alcohol -- that are already on the market.  Plus the weirdness of making it illegal to grow a plant.  "Let's outlaw NATURE!"
 
2013-04-30 09:33:30 PM

Alonjar: How much you want to bet he had commited some other horrible crime, like murder, and when the cops showed up he thought the jig was up.. and not just a pot call?

/Or hes a dumbass and tried to go out the window to hide for whatever reason, fell to his death


You are most likely right. Going thru the academy we were taught that when you effect a traffic stop, the violator will think you are stopping them for the worst thing they have done and probably will act accordingly. You think you are stopping  a guy for speeding and he thinks you know he committed a felony some time ago.

So methinks this guy had a skeleton in his closet. The weed may have just upped his paranoia.
 
2013-04-30 09:34:23 PM

scottydoesntknow: Actually subby, that's a death from the WAR on drugs. Thousands have been killed because of the war, not the actual plant.


That.

People do all sorts of stupid stuff when they are running away from cops like try to jump out of windows on to a garage roof and think they'll survive like in the movies. Drugs of any sort may make it more probable but many do things like that completely sober.

Then again we only have the cops' story.
 
2013-04-30 09:36:46 PM

Rezurok: What deaths are attributed to smoking that are directly caused by smoking? Granted, some deaths attributed to alcohol are really caused by drinking alcohol and THEN doing ____, but smoking? I'm having trouble coming up with a realistic example.


If you die of cancer and you smoked (pretty much ever) it is listed as a smoking related death.  Same thing with heart attacks, heart disease, hyper tension, etc.

I had a friend who died of cancer at a young age.  He never smoked.  Not once.  The coroner didn't believe it.

//Smoking is bad, no one denies that (anymore), but even though smoking can and does cause cancer not everyone who dies of cancer who smoked got cancer from smoking.
 
2013-04-30 09:37:52 PM
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hackhix: A Shambling Mound: Really? There is a clinical definition for "pothead?"

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Snoop is so baked he thinks he's the reincarnation of Bob Marley... who didn't die until Snoop was TEN.
 
2013-04-30 09:38:04 PM

Jument: Either way, you shouldn't be smoking anywhere in an apartment complex. Even if it's perfectly legal, it's a way stronger smell than cigarette smoke.


No, cigs smell way worse. My neighbors partake on occasion late at night and they are nothing compared to the prior guys that would smoke cigs. The main problem I have is that there is no way for me to lawfully buy some so I can join in on the fun.
 
2013-04-30 09:39:14 PM

CPXBRex: Someone who is not me smokes a lot and he says that there is no reason to deny that pot impairs judgment and people die of misadventures while intoxicated on pot while at the same time believing that it's criminalization is pretty goofy because it is neither inherently toxic nor is it more incapacitating than other drugs -- particularly alcohol -- that are already on the market.  Plus the weirdness of making it illegal to grow a plant.  "Let's outlaw NATURE!"


This is the thing that I don't get.  Plenty of people deny that there is any impairment, even though NORML admits that it does.  If NORML says anything bad about pot I think you can take it at face value, because it is not their goal to demonize weed.
 
2013-04-30 09:40:42 PM

CPXBRex: Oldiron_79: The number 1 killer in the US is obeisity caused heart disease, and diabeetus complications is in like the top 10, and marijuana gives you the munchies, so how many countless millions of Americans have been killed by the munchies?

Recently, someone did a study and found that potheads -- defined as people who smoke TEN or more joints a day, which is just farking crazy -- are the same weight as the general population.  So we can more or less rule that out.  ;D


Probably because they are sick. You'd have to be at home full time smoking to do that.
 
2013-04-30 09:41:42 PM

Old Man Winter: I've no doubt pot will be legal in all 50 in my lifetime and that doesn't t bother me especially when we start taxing the shiat out of it, which we will.
That said, people die from pot all the time, we just call it accidental deaths.  20 years back in high school I was at a party and we were all high.  One very normal kid got it in his head to jump out a window, lands wrong breaks his neck and dies a few days later.  Accident,.
Another friend  normally a very conscientious driver, had been smoking all day, got hungry, went to get food and tried to beat a train at a crossing.  Didn't make it.  Accident.
Those were just two I personally knew.  My mom used to tell me a story about when she was young in the late '60's.  On a roadtrip, her and a group had been driving and smoking and one guy gets them to stop on a stretch near a farm.  He wanted to see a bull up close.  Gored and repeatedly trampled.  Accident.
People do stupid things when they are high and consistent users consistently do stupid things.


there is a strong possibility that these same people were simply prone to doing stupid things. in time they would have done the same or similar things after a few drinks, if they were tired, on a dare, or just because they did stupid things. "People do stupid things when they are high and consistent users consistently do stupid things." is a broad brush statement that goes from Dumb to Dumber. Congratulations.
 
2013-04-30 09:45:01 PM

mjbok: For all of the deaths that attributed to smoking and alcohol that really are not because of them, this seems fair.


Smokes and booze kill plenty of people on their own, not need to pump up the stats.
 
2013-04-30 09:45:14 PM

mjbok: This is the thing that I don't get.  Plenty of people deny that there is any impairment, even though NORML admits that it does.  If NORML says anything bad about pot I think you can take it at face value, because it is not their goal to demonize weed.


Yeah, clearly, I agree.  It really just goes against anyone's experience who has not only used it (and suffered fairly huge losses in their ability to concentrate and coordinate) or even simply seen it used and watched their high friends bumble about giggling.  The idea that you're not impaired while high is downright bizarre to me.
 
2013-04-30 09:46:59 PM

KrispyKritter: there is a strong possibility that these same people were simply prone to doing stupid things. in time they would have done the same or similar things after a few drinks


There's two parts to your statement, one of which (IMHO) is true and the other is not.  People that do stupid stuff when they're high might do the same stupid things when they're drunk.  Probably a high percentage.  However of that group the majority would not do said stupid things if not drunk or high.  Just like alcohol is a contributing factor, so is weed, though I would say alcohol leads more to reckless behavior whereas weed leads more to asinine behavior, both of which can be dangerous.
 
Al!
2013-04-30 09:48:49 PM

SlothB77: Only on fark do people believe no one has died from marijuana.


That's ridiculous.  THC is remarkably safe: http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/thc_data_sheet.shtml

According to that page, and assuming similar LD50 in humans (a stretch, I know...), a 175lb human would have to ingest 521.4 grams of pure THC to have a likely chance of a fatality.  Think about what it would take to come up with that much pure THC and tell me people OD on pot.  I'd be impressed if anyone in the world could smoke half of that in a single day.

Also: http://www.oregon.gov/Pharmacy/Imports/Marijuana/Public/DeathsFromMar i juanaV17FDAdrugs.pdf

That's a study done on fatalities related to marijuana compared to 17 other FDA approved drugs.  They found zero deaths directly caused by pot.  Every other drug had numerous deaths directly attributed to it.  For instance, Viagra had 2254 deaths directly tied to the drug itself, and Ritalin had 121.  Marinol even had 4 deaths in the study, yet pot had zero.
 
2013-04-30 09:50:18 PM

scottydoesntknow: Actually subby, that's a death from the WAR on drugs. Thousands have been killed because of the war, not the actual plant.




Blood for the Blood god.

We like our bloody sacrifices more than the Aztecs.
 
2013-04-30 09:51:57 PM

Al!: SlothB77: Only on fark do people believe no one has died from marijuana.

That's ridiculous.  THC is remarkably safe: http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/thc_data_sheet.shtml

According to that page, and assuming similar LD50 in humans (a stretch, I know...), a 175lb human would have to ingest 521.4 grams of pure THC to have a likely chance of a fatality.  Think about what it would take to come up with that much pure THC and tell me people OD on pot.  I'd be impressed if anyone in the world could smoke half of that in a single day.

Also: http://www.oregon.gov/Pharmacy/Imports/Marijuana/Public/DeathsFromMar i juanaV17FDAdrugs.pdf

That's a study done on fatalities related to marijuana compared to 17 other FDA approved drugs.  They found zero deaths directly caused by pot.  Every other drug had numerous deaths directly attributed to it.  For instance, Viagra had 2254 deaths directly tied to the drug itself, and Ritalin had 121.  Marinol even had 4 deaths in the study, yet pot had zero.


If you tried ODing by smoking pot and had an infinite supply to do it with you would die of carbon monoxide poisoning from inhaling farking smoke before you died of THC overdose.
 
2013-04-30 09:52:04 PM

adenosine: Jument: Either way, you shouldn't be smoking anywhere in an apartment complex. Even if it's perfectly legal, it's a way stronger smell than cigarette smoke.

No, cigs smell way worse. My neighbors partake on occasion late at night and they are nothing compared to the prior guys that would smoke cigs. The main problem I have is that there is no way for me to lawfully buy some so I can join in on the fun.


Yep, cigs are way worse and smell permeates and lingers unlike cannabis.

Hell, I used to vape cannabis (even less smelly than smoking) when I had a strait edge roommate that claimed she could 'always smell it, every time, even on clothes afterwards'.  She was clueless.  I know because she would definitely have lectured me if she knew.

Also, driving while high on cannabis is simply not a real problem, but it is the new 'hey whoa, let's not let people just use cannabis freely' talkingpoint campaign.
 
2013-04-30 09:54:03 PM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: ladyfortuna: It didn't occur to me the first time I looked at this, but I once met someone who was bipolar and went off his meds and decided to smoke some pot because it was his birthday. I was interning with a police department and the apartment complex security called the PD up to handle it (rightly so, in my opinion). He was extremely mellow and I doubt he was a threat, but when the officers asked him the date and his address, he couldn't answer. Inability to answer those questions would scare the hell out of me. We ended up taking him to the hospital as a precaution; I suspect his wife who came home in the middle of all the excitement probably read him the riot act later...

He was mellow? The first thing everyone involved should have done was mind their own damned business.
he was mellow. Not harming anyone.

why the need to hassle the man?

there isnt one. If he wasnt a danger to himself or others.
everyone else should have farked off and let him be


I didn't control in any way, shape or form, what the rules of his apartment complex were, especially when he decided to start the festivities off on the sidewalk outside the building. They had cause to call the police, who had cause after ~15 minutes of questioning him, to take him to the damn hospital. Guy wasn't right in the head at that poiny, believe me. If his wife hadn't shown up, he probably would have been in cuffs in the back of the cruiser rather than the ambulance.
 
2013-04-30 09:58:20 PM

lewismarktwo: Also, driving while high on cannabis is simply not a real problem,


How is it not a real problem?  Even though the effect is less than alcohol it does impair you.
 
2013-04-30 10:01:46 PM

Al!: That's ridiculous.  THC is remarkably safe: http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/thc_data_sheet.shtml


I honestly think people talk through each other about this subject so much that communication is almost impossible.

It is absolutely true that THC is functionally non-toxic and no one has died from ingesting THC.

But most people smoke it, and that's all kinds of bad for your health.  Plus, people do die from accidents caused by errors in judgment and lack of coordination caused by pot.  These are both standards of conversation that are used for cigarettes and alcohol.  When we say "so many people are killed by cigarettes", we do not generally mean that they died of nicotine poisoning.  We count, primarily, those medical conditions arising from smoking.  Same with alcohol.  Not a lot of people die directly from alcohol poisoning -- we count auto wrecks, too.

So, when people say people die of pot, they mean that in the same sense that we also say people die of smoking tobacco or drinking and driving.  Which is normal.

This means when someone says, "No one dies from THC!" they look irrational because they are ignoring the common way that people talk about drug deaths which take into account not only being poisoned by the drug but fatal actions taken while under the drug's intoxicating effects.
 
2013-04-30 10:03:15 PM

mjbok: How is it not a real problem?  Even though the effect is less than alcohol it does impair you.


Is stoned driving a real problem? Seems like minor issue.
 
2013-04-30 10:06:02 PM

TheJoe03: Is stoned driving a real problem? Seems like minor issue.


About 1% of all traffic accidents can be attributed to cannabis use.  I guess it depends on your definition of a "minor problem" but 400 dead people a year is pretty serious to me.
 
2013-04-30 10:17:08 PM
hey hold it your not supposed to be running in here someone could get hurt...

Also the last time I saw somebody smoke pot, they went insane farked everyone near them then though they could fly and jumped out the window

/No wait that was meth
 
2013-04-30 10:18:21 PM

mjbok: lewismarktwo: Also, driving while high on cannabis is simply not a real problem,

How is it not a real problem?  Even though the effect is less than alcohol it does impair you.


Because if it ever impairs you enough to be a real problem then the last thing you want to do is something involved like driving.  So you don't.
 
2013-04-30 10:21:46 PM

lewismarktwo: mjbok: lewismarktwo: Also, driving while high on cannabis is simply not a real problem,

How is it not a real problem?  Even though the effect is less than alcohol it does impair you.

Because if it ever impairs you enough to be a real problem then the last thing you want to do is something involved like driving.  So you don't.


Sorry as someone that has driven with stoned people, they will and they shouldn't

/Do not operate vehicles when stoned
//Also drunk
///Also drunk and stoned
 
2013-04-30 10:22:31 PM

CPXBRex: TheJoe03: Is stoned driving a real problem? Seems like minor issue.

About 1% of all traffic accidents can be attributed to cannabis use. I guess it depends on your definition of a "minor problem" but 400 dead people a year is pretty serious to me.


That 1% is with it being illegal.  It is stupid to not think that it wouldn't go up with it being legal.  More people will smoke so that number will go up.

I don't see how it's a minor issue.
 
2013-04-30 10:24:54 PM

mjbok: CPXBRex: TheJoe03: Is stoned driving a real problem? Seems like minor issue.

About 1% of all traffic accidents can be attributed to cannabis use. I guess it depends on your definition of a "minor problem" but 400 dead people a year is pretty serious to me.

That 1% is with it being illegal.  It is stupid to not think that it wouldn't go up with it being legal.  More people will smoke so that number will go up.

I don't see how it's a minor issue.


[citationplease].jpg
 
2013-04-30 10:25:32 PM

8zo: teenage mutant ninja rapist: ladyfortuna: It didn't occur to me the first time I looked at this, but I once met someone who was bipolar and went off his meds and decided to smoke some pot because it was his birthday. I was interning with a police department and the apartment complex security called the PD up to handle it (rightly so, in my opinion). He was extremely mellow and I doubt he was a threat, but when the officers asked him the date and his address, he couldn't answer. Inability to answer those questions would scare the hell out of me. We ended up taking him to the hospital as a precaution; I suspect his wife who came home in the middle of all the excitement probably read him the riot act later...

He was mellow? The first thing everyone involved should have done was mind their own damned business.
he was mellow. Not harming anyone.

why the need to hassle the man?

there isnt one. If he wasnt a danger to himself or others.
everyone else should have farked off and let him be

Excellent call, because someone who is "mellow" and cannot remember the date of where they live could not possibly be having a real medical problem like a stroke!


Typically a stroke involves someone in rough shape.

was he breathing? Was he responsive?

If the answers are yes than there was nothing wrong with the man that warrented intervention.

sometimes people get farked up and cant remember shiat.
doesnt mean you need to call the cops on him.

Clearly there was no medical emergency. So you were being a judgemental sod. Probably more concerned about "the pot" than you were about the poor guy who was probably relaxed for the first time in months
 
2013-04-30 10:25:37 PM

CPXBRex: TheJoe03: Is stoned driving a real problem? Seems like minor issue.

About 1% of all traffic accidents can be attributed to cannabis use.  I guess it depends on your definition of a "minor problem" but 400 dead people a year is pretty serious to me.


Seeing as they can only prove someone has smoked it in the last 30 days, i find that figure suspect. Did hear about some kind of wacky laser they could shoot in peoples eyes to try and see if they're currently high, but i don't think it's been proven or is in wide use yet.

Overall, stupidity claims far more lives than anything else, but you'll never hear about action being taken against the stupid. They can run over a crowd of children and get away with it.
 
2013-04-30 10:26:20 PM

mjbok: That 1% is with it being illegal.  It is stupid to not think that it wouldn't go up with it being legal.  More people will smoke so that number will go up.

I don't see how it's a minor issue.


Clearly I don't think it's a minor issue, myself, but so far the evidence suggest that legalizing pot lowers the number of pot-influenced auto accidents.  Legalization, so far, seems to be making pot-driving less common.
 
2013-04-30 10:27:18 PM

ladyfortuna: It didn't occur to me the first time I looked at this, but I once met someone who was bipolar and went off his meds and decided to smoke some pot because it was his birthday. I was interning with a police department and the apartment complex security called the PD up to handle it (rightly so, in my opinion). He was extremely mellow and I doubt he was a threat, but when the officers asked him the date and his address, he couldn't answer. Inability to answer those questions would scare the hell out of me. We ended up taking him to the hospital as a precaution; I suspect his wife who came home in the middle of all the excitement probably read him the riot act later...


He could have been a time traveler.
 
2013-04-30 10:27:21 PM
And the nosey neighbor was haunted for the rest of his life.
 
2013-04-30 10:27:33 PM

albatros183: [citationplease].jpg


Nope.  Anyone can find an Internet "citation" to anything at all.  If you don't believe me, okay with me, but if you're actually curious, do your own research.
 
2013-04-30 10:28:09 PM

CPXBRex: About 1% of all traffic accidents can be attributed to cannabis use.


So it's not a big problem then.
 
2013-04-30 10:28:22 PM

lewismarktwo: Because if it ever impairs you enough to be a real problem then the last thing you want to do is something involved like driving. So you don't.


Yeah, that's not the way the real world works.  The fact that that is your opinion as to why it's not a real problem shows that you must live in this utopian paradise where high people are rational and don't do stupid things.
 
2013-04-30 10:28:58 PM
so why did the cops throw him out the window?
 
2013-04-30 10:29:25 PM

mjbok: It is stupid to not think that it wouldn't go up with it being legal.  More people will smoke so that number will go up.


It's stupid to make baseless assumptions.
 
2013-04-30 10:29:32 PM

CPXBRex: albatros183: [citationplease].jpg

Nope.  Anyone can find an Internet "citation" to anything at all.  If you don't believe me, okay with me, but if you're actually curious, do your own research.


Snerk

your the one making claims.
 
2013-04-30 10:29:45 PM
I REGRET NOTHIIIIIiiiiiiiiiiiNG*thud*
 
2013-04-30 10:32:05 PM

CPXBRex: Clearly I don't think it's a minor issue, myself, but so far the evidence suggest that legalizing pot lowers the number of pot-influenced auto accidents. Legalization, so far, seems to be making pot-driving less common.


While possible, I find that highly unlikely just based on the odds.  If something is legal more people will do it.  I would think most people would accept that without much argument.  If there are more people doing something the exposure rate becomes higher and it would be statistically likely that more accidents would happen.  Like I said, it is possible, but I find it hard to believe that it would happen that way.
 
2013-04-30 10:32:40 PM

J. Frank Parnell: Seeing as they can only prove someone has smoked it in the last 30 days, i find that figure suspect. Did hear about some kind of wacky laser they could shoot in peoples eyes to try and see if they're currently high, but i don't think it's been proven or is in wide use yet.

Overall, stupidity claims far more lives than anything else, but you'll never hear about action being taken against the stupid. They can run over a crowd of children and get away with it.


I'm not sure I understand your point.  In the case of fatalities, everyone involves gets a urine or blood test.  They don't wait thirty days to take the test, they pretty much do it as soon as they can and it is my understanding that they ignore trace metabolites and look for concentrations that indicate intoxication at the time of the accident (just as they are primarily interested in levels of alcohol intoxication that indicate intoxication at the time of the accident, not that you had trace amounts of alcohol in your system because you had a couple of beers four hours before the accident).  Or am I missing something?
 
2013-04-30 10:36:51 PM

mjbok: CPXBRex: Clearly I don't think it's a minor issue, myself, but so far the evidence suggest that legalizing pot lowers the number of pot-influenced auto accidents. Legalization, so far, seems to be making pot-driving less common.

While possible, I find that highly unlikely just based on the odds.  If something is legal more people will do it.  I would think most people would accept that without much argument.  If there are more people doing something the exposure rate becomes higher and it would be statistically likely that more accidents would happen.  Like I said, it is possible, but I find it hard to believe that it would happen that way.


actually overall people are more likely to do things if they are illegal, see prohibition

I can look up the cits if you don't believe me, but this is true for every drug, including coke and heroin, both of which have been legal in the US withing the last 100 years.
 
2013-04-30 10:37:00 PM

TheJoe03: It's stupid to make baseless assumptions.


It's not a baseless assumption.  If a movie is playing on HBO it is more likely to have more viewers than if it is showing on Showtime, based on availability.  If something is legal it has higher exposure than something that is illegal.

Were there more drunk driving accidents during or after the repeal of prohibition?
 
2013-04-30 10:37:25 PM

albatros183: Snerk

your the one making claims.


And you're the one who is choosing to believe or not believe.  I honestly do not care if you believe me.  But since it is more or less true that anyone can find a believable sounding citation for whatever they want, the whole system of providing cherry picked website citations seems actually antithetical to the pursuit of knowledge.  Do your own research!  Make up your own mind!  Don't be the slave of people who use hand-picked "citations"!
 
2013-04-30 10:39:11 PM

mjbok: It's not a baseless assumption.  If a movie is playing on HBO it is more likely to have more viewers than if it is showing on Showtime, based on availability.  If something is legal it has higher exposure than something that is illegal.

Were there more drunk driving accidents during or after the repeal of prohibition?


Do you have evidence behind your claims? It shouldn't be hard to find some relevant stats about this, Colorado and Washington just legalized weed, I haven't heard of any rise in weed related accidents.

/you tell me about drunk driving during prohibition, I doubt people even cared back then.
 
2013-04-30 10:39:17 PM
I saw a documentary on this exact situation after school one afternoon.

I bet the marijuana made him think he could fly.
 
2013-04-30 10:40:11 PM

CPXBRex: albatros183: Snerk

your the one making claims.

And you're the one who is choosing to believe or not believe.  I honestly do not care if you believe me.  But since it is more or less true that anyone can find a believable sounding citation for whatever they want, the whole system of providing cherry picked website citations seems actually antithetical to the pursuit of knowledge.  Do your own research!  Make up your own mind!  Don't be the slave of people who use hand-picked "citations"!


Right studdy it out!

WFT am I reading.

Whatever you want to be a retard that is your choice, this is the inter tubes..
 
2013-04-30 10:40:19 PM

mjbok: lewismarktwo: Because if it ever impairs you enough to be a real problem then the last thing you want to do is something involved like driving. So you don't.

Yeah, that's not the way the real world works.  The fact that that is your opinion as to why it's not a real problem shows that you must live in this utopian paradise where high people are rational and don't do stupid things.


Yeah, that's not the way the real world works.  The fact that that is your opinion as to why it's a real problem shows that you must live in this utopian paradise where people are rational and don't do stupid things.

mjbok: CPXBRex: Clearly I don't think it's a minor issue, myself, but so far the evidence suggest that legalizing pot lowers the number of pot-influenced auto accidents. Legalization, so far, seems to be making pot-driving less common.

While possible, I find that highly unlikely just based on the odds.  If something is legal more people will do it.  I would think most people would accept that without much argument.  If there are more people doing something the exposure rate becomes higher and it would be statistically likely that more accidents would happen.  Like I said, it is possible, but I find it hard to believe that it would happen that way.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2011/07/05/ten-years-after-decr im inalization-drug-abuse-down-by-half-in-portugal/

of course, you could always fudge the numbers to make them tell a different story:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/12/10/portugal-decriminalisatio n- drugs-britain_n_2270789.html

The fact is whether or not a drug is legal has very little to do with who will use it.

That's why prohibition is a failure.
 
2013-04-30 10:40:27 PM

albatros183: actually overall people are more likely to do things if they are illegal, see prohibition

I can look up the cits if you don't believe me, but this is true for every drug, including coke and heroin, both of which have been legal in the US withing the last 100 years.


I knew that it was true about Prohibition so I don't immediately doubt that it's true about other drugs.
 
2013-04-30 10:41:11 PM
this thread is a bummer and is harshing my mellow
 
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