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(WIBA 1310 Madison)   Wisconsin to force food stamps recipients to spend money on fruits and vegetables. And probably cheese since it's Wisconsin   (wiba.com) divider line 91
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2013-04-30 09:42:14 PM  
8 votes:

Bathia_Mapes: That's what I'm wondering. Fruits & vegetables, especially fresh ones, tend to be expensive. And quite frankly not everyone has access to a large supermarket where the produce prices are generally cheaper.


Beans and rice are whole foods, as are frozen and canned veggies, and all are far better than the heavily-processed junk food that they're targeting.

Food stamps (TANF, SNAP) are meant to SUPPLEMENT the food budget for families.  The government need not be in the business of subsidizing diabetes, heart disease, strokes, and other dietary killers among the poor, for whom the limited healthcare they receive is often paid for by... the government.  Yeah, veggies are more expensive than nutrient-bereft corn chips, but they also don't lead to a poor populace that is both obese and malnourished.  White rice isn't that good for you, but at least it doesn't come with a litany of 25-cent-word processing ingredients.
2013-04-30 10:00:50 PM  
7 votes:
Can't we just farkin' feed people?

We send billions in rice and grain to other countries. Let's just give people some farkin' food. Stop paying farm subsidies for fallow fields and ask them to kick out a few billion bushels of bush beans and such. Every poor family gets X beans and rice per week and some flinstones chewable vitamins. Don't like it? Find a way to make money.
2013-04-30 10:26:41 PM  
5 votes:
You take Caesar's coin, you play by Caesar's rules.
2013-04-30 09:28:13 PM  
5 votes:
Government cheese was good stuff, best grilled cheese ever.
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-04-30 08:58:23 PM  
5 votes:
Are they going to give them extra on their SNAP card to cover the expense of these luxuries?

If I was on SNAP I would be buying a lot of dried beans and rice, and not too much fresh vegetables.
2013-05-01 01:45:44 AM  
4 votes:
The same twits biatching about this would have applauded if a Democrat had sponsored it.

Its a good solid idea. No candy, no soda, no chips, no junk food on Food stamps. Don't like it..well, get a job and by your twinkies with cash, Fatty.
2013-04-30 11:03:25 PM  
4 votes:

revrendjim: Frito-Lay and Coca-Cola will make some "campaign contributions" and this bill will quietly go away.


A couple months ago I was behind a high school girl buying flaming hot Cheetos with food stamps. That's not what the program is for


You'd think someone like Michelle Obama would be behind something like this, but since its republicans doing it, it will be seen as evil
2013-04-30 10:41:50 PM  
4 votes:
Well, if the government is feeding you, don't they get a say in what you eat?
2013-04-30 09:33:25 PM  
4 votes:

vpb: Are they going to give them extra on their SNAP card to cover the expense of these luxuries?

If I was on SNAP I would be buying a lot of dried beans and rice, and not too much fresh vegetables.


That's what I'm wondering. Fruits & vegetables, especially fresh ones, tend to be expensive. And quite frankly not everyone has access to a large supermarket where the produce prices are generally cheaper.
2013-04-30 10:39:37 PM  
3 votes:
I know two people who get SNAP, one works full time and has 5 kids living at home, they get around $300/month and spend it mostly on meat, bread, and milk.

The other doesn't work and hides bf-now-recently-husband's self-employment income, they get around $600/month with 3 kids living at home, and spend it mostly on spaghetti o's and boxed macaroni and cheese for the kids. They eat out almost every day on bf-now-recently-husband's hidden income. (They also own 3 cars...2 of which are newer than mine, and one with a $400/month car payment, which is affordable for them because they live in section 8 housing and only pay $180.month for their 3 bedroom townhouse).

The latter is one reason why people create bills like this.
2013-04-30 10:38:22 PM  
3 votes:
This is a problem, only because the Feds subsidize crap used in crappy foods, making healthy foods comparatively expensive. The primary reason people on food stamps buy crap is because that's all they can afford. All this will do is make it harder for more people to buy enough food to not be hungry.
2013-04-30 10:30:43 PM  
3 votes:
Frito-Lay and Coca-Cola will make some "campaign contributions" and this bill will quietly go away.
2013-04-30 10:23:54 PM  
3 votes:
Fresh foods are great, but don't keep well for very long.

Fresh foods also mean going to the grocery store more often.  Which means more time wasted and spending more money on gas or public transportation.  They hardly get anything to put towards food as it is and the politicians are trying to make it even more difficult to survive.

If the politicians really want to make fresh foods a big part of the plan then they need to give a lot more money.  They should triple it.
They never will, but they should.
2013-04-30 09:55:58 PM  
3 votes:

factoryconnection: Bathia_Mapes: That's what I'm wondering. Fruits & vegetables, especially fresh ones, tend to be expensive. And quite frankly not everyone has access to a large supermarket where the produce prices are generally cheaper.

Beans and rice are whole foods, as are frozen and canned veggies, and all are far better than the heavily-processed junk food that they're targeting.

Food stamps (TANF, SNAP) are meant to SUPPLEMENT the food budget for families.  The government need not be in the business of subsidizing diabetes, heart disease, strokes, and other dietary killers among the poor, for whom the limited healthcare they receive is often paid for by... the government.  Yeah, veggies are more expensive than nutrient-bereft corn chips, but they also don't lead to a poor populace that is both obese and malnourished.  White rice isn't that good for you, but at least it doesn't come with a litany of 25-cent-word processing ingredients.


Yes, SNAP is meant to supplement a family's food budget, but in reality it's often the only source a family has to buy food. It's not uncommon for the work income of a family to go towards rent, transportation to & from work, necessary clothing, etc., with nothing left to purchase food.

BTW-TANF is cash benefits and not everyone on SNAP gets TANF.
2013-05-01 08:08:02 AM  
2 votes:
I know a woman who's on social security disability and has been getting foodstamps/SNAP for over 20 years.  She literally weighs 300+ pounds and says the government is to blame for her obesity because she can't afford to buy healthy foods.  However, she literally eats a gallon of ice cream and a bottle of chocolate syrup daily for the first two weeks of the month (until she runs out of money on her SNAP card). She buys 2-serving size portions of kung-pao chicken for $8, and she and her son go through three of those a day. She can't afford to buy milk and cereal for her kid though, and fruits and vegetables are way too expensive, not to mention too much work. For the last half of the month, they live on ramen noodles and hand-outs from the food bank. I tried showing her how to make kung-pao chicken at home but she says that it's way too time-consuming. I think for people like her, who refuse to take responsibility for their diet and subsequent health problems, this may be the only solution.
2013-05-01 02:31:35 AM  
2 votes:
So let me get this straight..

(Many) people thought it was a great idea when Michelle Obama spearheaded schools to change their lunchrooms to only provide "healthy" food and get rid of all the soda/snack machines, basically forcing kids to eat this crap at school.. but a REPUBLICAN comes up with something that would encourage SNAP recipients to eat healthier, and all of a sudden it's a fracking horrible idea.

Personally, I'm looking forward to Michelle's response to this idea. Does she *gasp* agree with the Republican, or does she go full-on hypocrite?
2013-05-01 01:50:50 AM  
2 votes:
So I'm going to have to memorize a list of what they decide is "junk food" and what they decide is "whole food," Or risk getting to the checkout and getting HERP DERP REJECTED when I swipe my card, because I bought one too many "bad" food items? I already spend most of my food money on cheese, meat, grains, and vegetables, but maybe I have some money left over at the end of the month and I'm having people over and I want to go buy some chips and salsa? Do I also have to buy an eggplant or have the transaction fail?

This kind of micromanagement looks like nothing but a way to try and subvert benefits programs by burying them in red tape and overhead. That way they can be targeted as "waste" when the spending cuts come. Notice how the people supporting it are republicans?
2013-05-01 01:17:09 AM  
2 votes:

Cyno01: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_desert


The map on USDA.gov is an absolute joke. There's areas near where i live in PA that arent rich by any stretch but have adequate road and transit access to stores, markets, big box retailers - you name it.  Hell, they list a food desert as being within 1 mile of the largest mall in the USA, which in the same complex is a Wal-Mart, CostCo, target and a Wegmans.  Furthermore, there's areas of Bucks County that are miles of country road from the nearest store and arent listed as a desert.  might as well call it Pensyltucky...

Peki: Huh. A liberal who doesn't want the government over-regulating something just because. Your mind a little blown over there?


If you're going to expect the state pick up the tab for feeding kids, paying medical bills, and providing nutritional assistance to families, dont be surprised when they want to pass laws concerning what they want people to be eating.
2013-05-01 12:33:54 AM  
2 votes:

Musikslayer: KarmicDisaster: Since Republicans are doing this, there is probably some reason. This won't save taxpayers a dime, since people will still get the same amount of aid but will just spend it on other stuff, so cost savings is not the reason. I think that the real reason is the Republican desire to "punish" people that they don't like, just like their parents punished them.

I think  you're on to something, but I suspect a different motive: When the Governor of Florida wanted drug testing, it turned out that his wife owned drug testing facilities. I suspect the same motives here. Eventually, there will be an attempt to limit the purchases to one or two particular brands i.e. "Koch Brothers new Mango Cherry foodstuffs". Even better: have distribution centers, where people pick up their "approved" food. I'm sure quite a few people are salivating over that thought, a contract like that would be worth billions.


I support this initiative and I also don't particularly mind Michelle Obama's eat healthy crusade (to the extent that it seeks to influence public opinion rather than mandate law) but just to stir the pot here - why is that when she and other Dems propose these initiatives and regulate school lunches etc, they're saving America from the scourge of poor health and obesity, but when Republicans do it they're punishing people they don't like?

I could see some valid points being made here. Inviting them. Just saying that on the face of it, it's inconsistent partisan finger-pointing. When the people with THIS letter behind their names do it, yay!! When the people with the other letter behind their names do it.....crime against humanity. Of course, don't for a minute think I'm saying that both sides don't engage in this hear-what-they-want-hear logic. I'm just being sympathetic to the Republicans here because I would say that in this case the burden of proof is on the Dems as far as opposing eat-healthy measures on the part of the state.
2013-05-01 12:26:47 AM  
2 votes:
Fresh fruit is expensive. It's not like it grows on trees you know.
2013-04-30 11:07:22 PM  
2 votes:

Bathia_Mapes: vpb: Are they going to give them extra on their SNAP card to cover the expense of these luxuries?

That's what I'm wondering. Fruits & vegetables, especially fresh ones, tend to be expensive. And quite frankly not everyone has access to a large supermarket where the produce prices are generally cheaper.


Your second point is the one I'm worried about; other people have pointed out that smart shopping can lead to fruits and vegetables not being that expensive; canned and frozen are good enough for me on my non-government-funded budget now and I just have to forgo the fancy Martian tangelos and edamame-whatevers that I hope to enjoy after the lean years are over. I don't want to subsidize these for other people when I can't even afford them myself, but I get the point that it's easy to armchair advocate for everyone eating healthy when you can personally afford to.

But the access issue is huge. Taught in North St. Louis and East St. Louis, Illinois and the concept of a food desert is real. On one of my first days I drove for ten minutes in two separate directions just looking for something other than fried chicken and had to turn around and go back and eat in the cafeteria with the kids. And I had a car. And money. Started bringing lunch. Ain't nothing out there. Super easy for folks to sit in a comfy suburban apartment with a Whole Foods up the street and a Trader Joe's across from it and tell others how to eat, but no amount of whatever validity does underlie their point will magically poof up grocery stores in these areas. And yeah, just grocery stores. I'm not even talking about a Whole Foods. I'm talking about anything besides a convenience store selling tall boys and chips sandwiched in between a pawn shop and a hair studio.
2013-04-30 11:05:27 PM  
2 votes:
We can all pretend like Republicans suddenly care about healthy eating.

Or, we can look at their responses any time Michelle Obama suggests kids should eat their vegetables, and recognize this for what it is: "lets stick it to those stupid poors!"

/This will create lawsuits under the 5th Amendment
//I suspect that's part of the WIGOP's plan
2013-04-30 11:03:40 PM  
2 votes:

Dr. Goldshnoz: Oh that's farking smart. make people dependent on assistance pay out of pocket for the only real food in the grocery store. Yes meat is a real food, but given the price increases the last 10 years, outside of chicken, it's becoming more and more of a luxury item. Yes grains and breads are real foods, but if people are "living" on those, we get a nation of over-carbed fat asses. everything else in the grocery store is bullshiat. hamburger helper, oreos, doritos, frozen pizza, and fig newtens, canned and frozen foods are not what you should be encouraging people to live on on a daily basis.


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2013-04-30 10:57:26 PM  
2 votes:

TheDirtyNacho: That said, these foods can be hard to come by for some people without transportation, so it should be paired with addressing the lack of quality food in impoverished areas.


Actually, you would think that the more rural a place is, the better access it has to fruits and vegetables.

Never once have I been in a store...from a small corner store to a large super Wal-Mart and not seen fruits and vegetables.  Bananas are cheap. Apples are cheap. Carrots are cheap.  Each costs the same as a bag of chips.

This comes down to people not wanting to make stuff when they get home from work.  Its easier to boil up some spaghetti-os or velveta cheez than it is to chop some fruits and vegetables.  The end result of a shiatty diet is actually hungrier kids, whose bodies are craving actual nutrients.  Go ahead and eat healthy for a week.  You'd be amazed how much your body doens't get salt/sugar cravings and how long something as stupid as an apple can go towards keeping you full for a while.  I'm a 28 year old normal sized dude and a $.70 apple for breakfast tides me over just fine until Lunch.

Infernalist: and the higher prices of things like fresh fruits and veggies.


Yeah about that.  Staple fruits and veggies are not that expensive.

Apples: $2/lb
Onions: $1/lb
Grapefruit: $1/ea
Mango: 2 for $3
2lb Bag of carrots: $2.99
Oranges: $1/ea
Limes: 3/$1

and I live in the northeast. my local grocer is one of the nicer ones in the area.
2013-04-30 10:56:27 PM  
2 votes:

skullkrusher: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Fruits and vegetables aren't as expensive as people make them out to be. Sure if you're going to buy organic ginger tended to by Tibetan monks, it's going to cost you, but your general stock fruit and vegetables aren't very much. I think the most I spend on a per item basis is lemons, which are like eighty cents.

I'd like to see the percentage of food stamps that must be spent on these ways relaxed to allow for some lean meat, but I'm not altogether against the idea.

they could just eliminate whatever they're calling "junk food" entirely from eligibility


And so when a kid needs something for a food day at school, or even a parent for a food day at work, I guess we should relegate them to a bag of apples or onions.

The rules you accept for poor people will eventually apply to everyone. Be careful what you ask for.
2013-04-30 10:51:03 PM  
2 votes:
Some of you think that fresh fruit and veggies are expensive?  Compared to what?

I've seen the carts loaded up at the store (and I'm not trying to stereotype, but it's exactly the same as it was 35 years ago when I was sacking groceries and people had to use the old "script") now paid with the state debit card and it is almost always 90% pre-made/pre-cooked "convenience" foods.  Lots of soda, chips, pop tarts, pastries and the like, but almost never anything bearing a resemblance to something healthy.

Sorry, but paying $5.99 for an 24 oz serving of fried chicken (when a good 8 oz's of that is breading and oil) while fresh chicken is available at $.89/lb is not a good use of resources.  Buying a can of corn for $1, when you can buy 3-4 ears of fresh corn for $1 is also a waste.  There's lots of examples I could probably provide, compare the cost of the convenience and junk food product being currently purchased and it dwarfs what is being spent on actual nutritious and healthy foods.

I do the family's shopping and cooking, and I am going to seriously challenge anyone's assertion that fresh fruits and vegetables are "too expensive." Simply because they are often downright reasonable, compared to the cost of calorie-laden convenience and snack food items devoid of even the most basic nutritional value.  Factor in the cost to the state for treating obesity, childhood diabetes, etc. and I have no problem whatsoever with this mandate.
2013-04-30 10:38:20 PM  
2 votes:

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Fruits and vegetables aren't as expensive as people make them out to be. Sure if you're going to buy organic ginger tended to by Tibetan monks, it's going to cost you, but your general stock fruit and vegetables aren't very much. I think the most I spend on a per item basis is lemons, which are like eighty cents.

I'd like to see the percentage of food stamps that must be spent on these ways relaxed to allow for some lean meat, but I'm not altogether against the idea.


they could just eliminate whatever they're calling "junk food" entirely from eligibility
2013-04-30 10:36:37 PM  
2 votes:
Sure. Force them to spend two thirds of the monthly SNAP on fruits and veggies that will be rotten within a week, leaving three weeks of starvation on what little food stamps are left.

Cunning plan. Not all the way through. Etc. Etc.
2013-04-30 10:33:31 PM  
2 votes:
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/3779123/  (Warning: Furry Site. Some mods think this is all porn, regardless that you can't see adult/mature items unless you log in and specifically enable it. Specific link lacks anything more than user icons.)

Once again, I break this out. 30 million dollars a day, or 11.5 billion a year, 3 servings of rice to everyone ni the US.

No, it's not meant to be the entirety of the food. It's meant to supplement and shift their food spending to include healthier items that the rice can supplemental. Nor is rice the only option, it's just the one I had math on.

Yes, that includes an estimate of overhead and distribution.
2013-04-30 09:15:23 PM  
2 votes:
This doesn't make sense. Forcing the masses to eat right will only make them healthier. And smarter.

Republicans don't like thinking people. Who are they going to fill the jails with?
2013-05-01 12:49:09 PM  
1 votes:

Bumblefark: Yeah, because politicizing public assistance down to the level of a person's diet isn't at all petty or spiteful, and is sure to make for some sound policy...


Stop taking our money, then. It's nobody's business what you eat when you pay for it by yourself.
2013-05-01 11:44:33 AM  
1 votes:
Funny I should see this today since last night I was in line behind a woman whose items for purchase were four candy bars, 3 boxes of pastries and 2 two liters of coke. She was speaking on an I-phone 5 the whole time during her check out with gold rings on each of her fingers along with three long gold earrings in each ear and maybe four or five gold necklaces and a large gold bracelet on her left arm. She made her payment for the items with an EBT card (food stamps) and slowly walked out of the store. My check out was quick since I only had two items so I was able to reach the parking lot and see her loading her items from the cart into a band new 2013 Land Rover. She then got into the Land Rover and drove off leaving the cart in the parking lot right behind the car parked next to her after it collided with the car when she let it go and right on the other side of her was the cart return rack.

I look forward to the day when liberals wake the Hades up and realize these programs are a waste of money and resources.
2013-05-01 11:23:39 AM  
1 votes:
proteus_b: 
Some people fail at life and they do so deservedly. (Peki sounds like one...)


Since you're missing some of the story, let me fill you in on what I've deserved since I graduated college:

I deserved to lose a job in '06 after I was robbed at gunpoint by coworkers and the store closed following a double homicide a month afterwards.
I deserved to lose a job in '08 after finding pictures on my then-husband's computer that would make Chris Hansen blush (so I left, and since my only family was in California, that's where I went, three days before the biggest drop in the stock market since the Great Depression; I've always had impeccable timing.)
I deserved to blow out my knee in '10, causing me to lose another job, as I was out on medical for 2+ months, longer than I was supposed to, because a month after I blew out the knee, I was in a car accident (passenger) that shattered my cast in three places, making the previously somewhat torn MCL almost completely torn.
I deserved to be kicked out by previously mentioned family because my stepfather decided that putting 3 scoops to make coffee instead of 2 was disrespectful and offensive (yes, there's more, that was just the flashpoint).
I deserve to not be able to cook my own food because I want to eat what *I* think is healthy instead of what my MIL thinks is healthy.
I deserved to lose a job in '12 because I have PTSD (see the above, and that's just since college, there's more trauma before that) and two sleep disorders.
I deserve to have difficulties in finding a job because I have psoriasis that's visible on my entire forehead and down my cheeks--as for treatment, I really don't think I should have to actively jeopardize my health by taking immuno-suppressants; other meds are either too expensive (Dovonex) or ineffective (UV treatments).

When you can tell me what god I pissed off before I was born to get all this, then I'll agree I deserve it.
2013-05-01 10:46:31 AM  
1 votes:

Bf+: Well, thank god the state republicans are spending tons of money on important things like punishing those nasty poors, rather than worrying about, oh, I dunno... farking job creation!


spending money to create jobs....stop me if this has failed before.
2013-05-01 08:37:33 AM  
1 votes:

PsiChick: Up until you're getting sick from the estrogen they pump the cows with to keep them pregnant, sure. I'm not supposed to eat that shiat anymore, or bread, because both are actually making me fat as fark. And that's whole-wheat bread and low-fat milk. Not even some kind of super-sugar milk concoction and white bread.


Um.  No.

I don't think you know how milking cows works.

Milking cows are bred intentionally to get them pregnant, both to increase the milking herd and to give milking cows periodic breaks from being milked.  A cow will continue to lactate almost indefinitely if milked regularly.  Most smaller farms, as are common in New England where I worked, segregate the pregnant cows as they go "dry" a few weeks before they're due.  Some will milk right up until they stop lactating which is when the estrogen levels naturally produced by the cow in the milk are highest.  Where I worked we stopped milking a pregnant cow about six months into the gestation period, so they'd spend about two to three months in the dry cow pen, which we believed was better for the health of the cow but also incidentally kept hormone levels in the milk we produced lower.  To the best of my knowledge, even the big operations that milk a pregnant cow until it goes dry don't purposely "pump" estrogen into cows.  And even if they did I don't know how that would keep them pregnant...

/TMYK
2013-05-01 08:36:06 AM  
1 votes:
I'm OK with this. My wife suggested this years ago. She also recommended a manditory 4-6 hour course in nutrition and basic food prep for anyone applying for food assistance programs.

/we are libby, lib, libs
2013-05-01 07:57:40 AM  
1 votes:

KarmicDisaster: Since Republicans are doing this, there is probably some reason. This won't save taxpayers a dime, since people will still get the same amount of aid but will just spend it on other stuff, so cost savings is not the reason. I think that the real reason is the Republican desire to "punish" people that they don't like, just like their parents punished them. In this case, by making it harder for stores to comply with the program they will  force a lot of them to drop out of the program. That will make it harder and more time consuming for  the poor to travel to stores to buy things to eat, which is considered good in the Republican mindset since as they "know" the poor are all Blacks or Liberals that have been on welfare for their whole lives and need be punished and encouraged to move away. Did you know that Wisconsin imprisons more Blacks (by their proportion in the population) than any other state? That's the reason they are doing this.


Potentially vast savings in healthcare pretty much negates your argument. At the very least it means you can safely be ignored as one who won't contribute anything of value to the conversation.
2013-05-01 07:55:55 AM  
1 votes:

Keizer_Ghidorah: Amazing how many people in here want the government to tell them what they can and can't eat.



People like you speak of a responsibility and an obligation we all have to take care of one another.  If I ended up on food stamps or public assistance, I would feel that the least I can do is choose foods that are inexpensive yet healthy and will keep me off my the public health system as well.  Unfortunately you cant always count on people to make the right decisions and when society bears the responsibility that the individual refuses to assume, then it places rules on benefits.

Dont like being told what to eat or where to shop?  make enough to support your 5 kids.

Again, when you demand society subsidize your life you cant then be surprised when society sets the terms.
2013-05-01 07:51:23 AM  
1 votes:
 His proposal set for a Tuesday vote would require people on state nutrition assistance program to buy less soda, chips and candy bars


Why are they buying *any* soda, chips and candy bars with taxpayer money? I get people need help. I have no issue with that. But why do I need to subsidize your snacking habits? If you want to feed your kids, fine. If you want a Snickers, pay for that your Goddamn self. I want to scream every time I see someone using their EBT card to buy bags of Hostess choco donuts, frozen pizzas, 'fruit' pies, RC cola, 20 boxes of pizza rolls and Doritos. Buy some real damn food. Too lazy to prepare food? At least get some hamburger helper or something.

CSB:
Got stuck behind some attractive and succesful people who had used EBT to buy a bunch of junk food, and were using WIC to actualy get some healthy stuff. The lady got a two pound bag of grapes, but WIC was only going to pay for 1 pound. The lady says "Why you be charging me for dem grapes?" The cashier explains that they are sold by the pound and not the bag, and that she'd have to pay 2 bucks (for the extra pound) if she wanted them. Lady says "I ain't paying no 2 dollars for no grapes. Put dem back" The really egregious part was that the two women had brand new Nikes, gold chains, Offical NBA hats with the tags and gold stickers still on them (so everyone knows how much they paid) and both were rocking new model Samsung smartphones.

Maybe I'm just old fashioned, but I think if you can afford to put rims on your car, gold caps on your teeth and buy better clothes, jewelry, and phones than me, maybe....just maybe...you shouldn't be on public assistance.
2013-05-01 06:40:48 AM  
1 votes:

Keizer_Ghidorah: Amazing how many people in here want the government to tell them what they can and can't eat.


only if I am paying for it. Otherwise eat what you want.
2013-05-01 05:10:28 AM  
1 votes:

penthesilea: Fresh foods are great, but don't keep well for very long.

Fresh foods also mean going to the grocery store more often.  Which means more time wasted and spending more money on gas or public transportation.  They hardly get anything to put towards food as it is and the politicians are trying to make it even more difficult to survive.

If the politicians really want to make fresh foods a big part of the plan then they need to give a lot more money.  They should triple it.
They never will, but they should.


Live off the giver teat, deal with the govt demands.
2013-05-01 04:00:55 AM  
1 votes:

Bumblefark: And those who are literate in either history or biology hate this idea because you're a farking moron.

But, go on.


I'm sure your rapier wit is feared in debating societies all throughout the land.
2013-05-01 03:05:45 AM  
1 votes:
I'm all for providing a fellow citizen of my country with a basic income they can live on in quiet dignity from cradle to grave regardless of their ability or willingness to work. And I'm perfectly happy for my tax dollars to be used for this purpose.

I'm against allowing those supporting themselves on public funding having the option or even the ability to procreate.

So instead of forcing the people who can't support themselves to buy vegetables or take drug tests or whatever, just require them to pick up their welfare check/free money at a government building after receiving a monthly shot of contraceptive. If that is too inconvenient allow them the option of direct deposit but only if they are willing to undergo surgical sterilization (of course provided for free along with all followup visits).

Conservatives hate this idea because it requires acknowledging poor people and slackers as our human brothers and sisters. Liberals hate this idea because it would prevent multi-generational government dependency which provides a significant percentage of their voter base.
2013-05-01 02:08:34 AM  
1 votes:

Moonlightfox: So I'm going to have to memorize a list of what they decide is "junk food" and what they decide is "whole food," Or risk getting to the checkout and getting HERP DERP REJECTED when I swipe my card, because I bought one too many "bad" food items? I already spend most of my food money on cheese, meat, grains, and vegetables, but maybe I have some money left over at the end of the month and I'm having people over and I want to go buy some chips and salsa? Do I also have to buy an eggplant or have the transaction fail?

This kind of micromanagement looks like nothing but a way to try and subvert benefits programs by burying them in red tape and overhead. That way they can be targeted as "waste" when the spending cuts come. Notice how the people supporting it are republicans?


Well, the article points out that it's 2/3rds of your monthly food bill if you're on food stamps.  If you've already spent most of your food money on cheese, meat, grains and vegetables and have a little money left over, there is nothing wrong with you buying some candy.  It's like you either didn't read the article or read it and decided to make it more complex than it really is to be outraged.

And why is this a bad program?  Let's look at it this way: have those on food stamps eat healthier.  Most likely they are already on medicaid, so with a healthier diet there's less tax money going to health problems associated with bad diet, plus children who's parents are on food stamps will be fed healthier food, thus the government ends up spending less money on them as well.

The only reason why the Democrats really hate this is that it wasn't their idea.  Michelle Obama has come out vocally against childhood obesity and in favor of having healthier meals for children, this bill sponsored by a Republican follows Michelle Obama's wishes.  So the only reason why the Democrats are against it is pure partisanship.  If the Republicans would come out in favor of pro-gay marriage during the Bush presidency(either Bush), the Democrats would have found a reason to be against it.
2013-05-01 02:01:29 AM  
1 votes:

Godscrack: This doesn't make sense. Forcing the masses to eat right will only make them healthier. And smarter.

Republicans don't like thinking people. Who are they going to fill the jails with?


Heh. Except for the part where if they were healthy and smart they might get off government assistance.

Which is where the Democrats want to keep them.
2013-05-01 01:56:44 AM  
1 votes:

Moonlightfox: So I'm going to have to memorize a list of what they decide is "junk food" and what they decide is "whole food," Or risk getting to the checkout and getting HERP DERP REJECTED when I swipe my card, because I bought one too many "bad" food items?


The WIC program seems to work with really specific requirements.


I already spend most of my food money on cheese, meat, grains, and vegetables, but maybe I have some money left over at the end of the month and I'm having people over and I want to go buy some chips and salsa?

Then make a separate transaction for the chips and salsa and pay with your money. Ta-Da!
2013-05-01 01:50:24 AM  
1 votes:
We hate big government! So lets force the big government to require us to purchase certain foods!
2013-05-01 01:23:02 AM  
1 votes:

Bumblefark: Intoxoman: I've been in line behind people using the food stamps, the old script type, harder to tell theses days. Shrimp, lobster tail , ribeyes, you name it I saw it. Then I'd put my items on the conveyor in disgust at what my $9/hour got me. Some onions, hamburger, hamburger helper, anything else I saw to add to hamburger helper, beans, hotdogs, you get the idea. This was the 90's but I did do 2 months of food stamps in the 80's. I had a lot of roommates, gave the whole pack of script to the girl in charge (she cooked yes but she WAS in charge) and it went towards....real food not shiat. I see no problem with this policy, spend it like you need it, I did.

...And, that's precisely why it's a piss poor idea to politicize the diets of food stamp recipients.

They pull a package of oreos out of their shopping cart, and the busybody behind them screams "OMG JUNK FOOD! THE POORS NEED TO EAT BETTER!"

They pull out a package of shrimp, and the next busybody screams, "OMG FINE FOODS! THE POORS ARE EATING TOO WELL!"

Only in America can we as a society give so little to the poor, and be such self-righteous overbearing pricks about it...


Yup. You can apply this same shiat to healthcare too.
2013-05-01 01:18:18 AM  
1 votes:
What you easily distracted morans fail to understand is that implementing any type of policing of food stamps will cost way more than it will ever save.  People trade food for 50 cents on the dollar now ffs.

Just give poor people food. Even junk food.

Meanwhile, the wealthy guy down the street just paid some guy a six figure salary to figure out how to dodge paying his fair share of taxes.
2013-05-01 01:14:05 AM  
1 votes:

Intoxoman: I've been in line behind people using the food stamps, the old script type, harder to tell theses days. Shrimp, lobster tail , ribeyes, you name it I saw it. Then I'd put my items on the conveyor in disgust at what my $9/hour got me. Some onions, hamburger, hamburger helper, anything else I saw to add to hamburger helper, beans, hotdogs, you get the idea. This was the 90's but I did do 2 months of food stamps in the 80's. I had a lot of roommates, gave the whole pack of script to the girl in charge (she cooked yes but she WAS in charge) and it went towards....real food not shiat. I see no problem with this policy, spend it like you need it, I did.


...And, that's precisely why it's a piss poor idea to politicize the diets of food stamp recipients.

They pull a package of oreos out of their shopping cart, and the busybody behind them screams "OMG JUNK FOOD! THE POORS NEED TO EAT BETTER!"

They pull out a package of shrimp, and the next busybody screams, "OMG FINE FOODS! THE POORS ARE EATING TOO WELL!"

Only in America can we as a society give so little to the poor, and be such self-righteous overbearing pricks about it...
2013-05-01 01:00:31 AM  
1 votes:

Peki: Hmm. You seem to think I think it's unreasonable to have limits on what parents can spend money on. I don't. I mentioned upthread about how I wasn't surprised, wasn't upset, just curious, when the store wouldn't let me buy a Monster with my food stamps. They shouldn't have. I'm totally OK with that.


the terms of the bill would exclude food items bereft of nutritional value from qualifying for the SNAP plan.  You think Monster energy shouldn't be on there. I agree with this.  I agree with everything this law says.  because a republican is introducing the plan means liberals like you are butthurt about it.

Ranger Rover: I haven't been behind everything you've said in this thread, but I'm behind this.


It doens't stop there.  Nanny cities like NY and SF that decided to operate extensive public health clinics quickly found that they also have a vested interest in people's health to keep costs down.  I dont care one way or the other since if a city wants to establish public health it is their right to do so but the people who live there shouldn't be surprised when the salt disappears from the restaurant table, you cant get a 16oz soda and smokes are $10/pack
2013-05-01 12:45:49 AM  
1 votes:

12349876: So how about a living wage and mandated work limits so everyone has the time to do it?


That would involve a society where people are based on need, rather than productivity.  ergo a parent of two has more of a need than a single guy in college and should be paid more regardless of who is more productive.  That would never work.

fusillade762: How quickly you forget.


I didn't forget anything.  I know Santorum is against Contraception.  he can beat the drum all he wants in Church but as president he'd have no executive authority to ban it even if he felt he had the political capital to do so.  Your problem is you think an individual's personal feelings = what they would put into law.

fusillade762: And just about every GOP candidate voiced their opposition to requiring insurance to pay for contraception. You think that's going to make it EASIER to get?


Why should an insurance company be forced to provide birth control to a 34 year old woman who doens't want it? furthermore, what is preventing an individual who does want coverage to seek a provider that offers it?  You think that if someone isn't being given something for free, that they are being denied access to it.  Nobody was going to send shock troopers into Walgreens or CVS and start executing women who had birth control prescriptions.  Stop with the loony fear mongering asshattery.

fusillade762: You're being willfully ignorant if you've missed all the "Death by a thousand" cuts being attempted on abortion at the state level.


All of which are legal under RvW.  Safe, Legal and Rare is now Any time, anywhere, for any reason and at taxpayer expense.  Anything less, is an affront to women's rights.

12349876: And at least in my city, drive to the suburbs to get it.  The city was basically begging for a grocery to be downtown, only got one (now two) a couple years ago, and even they're quite small.  And of course the high crime areas only have glorified gas stations.  And plenty of poorly planned suburbs that don't have much of anything close by.


So it all comes down to how much do you value your health and your nutrition.  When an individual makes the choice to hit the drive through instead of whole foods, I'm not sure what you expect society to do about that.

12349876: There are billions of people in the world demanding fresh fruits and vegetables and aren't getting it.


and those billions live in countries which lack the infrastructure and government stability required for a market to exist.
2013-05-01 12:39:29 AM  
1 votes:

TheDirtyNacho: Fruits and veggies aren't that expensive and a banana goes a lot further nutritionally than say, a bag o' chips.

That said, these foods can be hard to come by for some people without transportation, so it should be paired with addressing the lack of quality food in impoverished areas.


Put a bag of chips next to a banana, come back two weeks later, and tell me which one is still edible.
2013-05-01 12:20:19 AM  
1 votes:

Peki: I'm similar to you; I grew up upper middle class, now I'm dirt poor. Biggest problem I have is not knowing how to navigate the welfare systems to get what I need. I know there are programs out there that I might qualify for, but figuring out how to access them is beyond me. Not to mention my situation doesn't fit the boxes they like to give you. Example: They want to know how I pay for things. If I mention my fiance's income, then I have to submit his, his parents (as they claim him as a dependent), and my tax returns. Yeah, you go asking your mother-in-law for her tax returns and see what kind of answer you get. For disability, I needed to get 4 letters from my employer stating a) when I worked, b) what my weekly hours were, c) what my ending pay was, and d) what my last paycheck amount was (yes, in 4 separate letters, one letter with all the information wouldn't work). When I went to my employer, they said to talk to the temp agency. Temp agency said talk to the employer.


I'm sympathetic. Although I do believe some degree of difficulty in obtaining benefits is justified due to the state's interest in keeping ineligible recipients off the rolls, I do agree this is unreasonable. What I don't know (and maybe you do) is how many of these situations like the ones you describe are due to a**holes in the benefits offices having bad days, or to redundancies and inefficiencies in the statutory scheme.

I don't work in our benefits department, but I know my office has one to help clients like you get the benefits they need. I just tried to search for one for you, and there are a few in Los Angeles County, but this seems like a good place to start: http://www.nlsla.org/programs/practices/administrative-law
Link is to the NLSLA's "Administrative Law Unit," which would be the practice area most likely to help clients navigate benefits claims issues.
2013-05-01 12:14:03 AM  
1 votes:

o5iiawah: Go ahead and eat healthy for a week. You'd be amazed how much your body doens't get salt/sugar cravings and how long something as stupid as an apple can go towards keeping you full for a while. I'm a 28 year old normal sized dude and a $.70 apple for breakfast tides me over just fine until Lunch.


Interesting; I eat apples because I know they're healthy, but eating an apple by itself makes me hungrier than I was before.
2013-05-01 12:11:45 AM  
1 votes:

bborchar: cheap public transportation.


In Chicago, a one way bus ride is 2.25. No transfers. So, provided you only have to take 1 bus, that's 4.50 round trip for one person to haul home a week's worth of groceries. Is it feasible that one person riding a bus can transport a week's worth of food for a family? What if a grocery store is 2 buses away? Make that 9.00 round trip. Low income people, with the exception of senior citizens, don't get discounted or free transportation. Basically, you don't know what you're talking about.
2013-05-01 12:09:46 AM  
1 votes:
I'm OK with this.  WIC does this already.
2013-05-01 12:02:19 AM  
1 votes:

Peki: Okay. Let's make it someone who works 80 hours a week and has one kid. Now what's your beef?

/hint: It's not about how many kids they have, or how much they work. You just don't want them on your dime, and you'll do whatever you want to make it as uncomfortable as possible.


I dont care that someone is on "My dime" as a state run food program for someone in a transition is a hallmark of a stable society. I get that.

We're constantly being told in regards to guns that rights come with responsibilities however with that we have to be fair andacknowledge that part of having the right to have 5 kids comes with the responsibility of trying to provide some level of sustenance for them. Your right to sleep with whomever you want and make your own sexual choices comes with the responsibility of bearing the costs associated with an "oops." That isn't punishing anyone - it is called expecting people who demand the freedom to make adult decisions deal with consequences of those decisions.


fusillade762: This from the party that wants to make abortion illegal and contraception harder to get


50 years and 5 republican presidents have gone by since RvW yet it is still the law of the land.  Your schtick is tired.  Oh, and which GOP nominee in the last election cycle wanted to ban contraception?  Hell one of them actually prescribes it regularly it in his medical profession.
2013-05-01 12:01:39 AM  
1 votes:
It's nice to see Fark's pro veg moderates (or whatever leftists are called now) condemn plan because a most unsavoury repub brought the change.
2013-04-30 11:56:17 PM  
1 votes:

o5iiawah: 12349876: Good for you.  You don't fit into my qualifiers.  Not everyone lives 1/4 mile from the grocery.  Not everyone has good direct public transportation from their house to the grocery.  But keep pretending everyone is as fortunate as you are.

ok, so who are these people who fit your qualifiers.  Give me a percentage of the population who is starving because for some reason, we can get power, light plumbing and SNAP to their house but there's no food stores anywhere.

Believe you me, if I could live out in the boonies, away from buses, trains and everything else, i would.  Nothing beats county fruit/veggie stands or even your own garden.  Seems the further you live from a food store, the better access you have to fruits and veggies.  Growing up in Sticks, FL that was always my experience anyways...


I'm not talking boonies here, I'm talking inner cities and poorly planned suburbias.  And I'm not talking about starvation, I'm talking access to a large selection of affordable fresh food.  You may be close to a 7-11 but not a Kroger or farmer's market.  I live 2 miles from a Kroger.  But if I wanted to get there on public transportation I'd have to travel about 10 miles and make a transfer.  My city's bus grid is largely hub and spoke downtown to one suburb and little connections between the suburbs.  It'd probably be faster for me to walk.  And of course in my Boobies on the subject, I clearly said a REAL HASSLE, which does not equal impossible.
2013-04-30 11:51:06 PM  
1 votes:

Spanky_McFarksalot: Molavian: Oh, no.  How terrible!  I enjoy paying for people to eat shiat and get sick, and then pay for their healthcare, too!

people  say that like they personally get a bill each month.

IF, you pay taxes and don't any kind of refund (assuming you don't take any of the credits offered and actually get back MORE in federal taxes than you pay in) you portion of the bill is like what? a few dollars  a month?

compare that to the trillions in guaranteed loans to wall  street or the tax payer money that went to their bonuses  alone.

Family getting food vs, wall street douches getting their kitchen remodeled.

Which one do conservatives hate more? hmmmm


You're an idiot, people getting food stamps sickens me. Get a job, show up on time, do the work and go home. I don't care if it's, "a few dollars a month". It's my money and no one else deserves to have it. I'll pay taxes for a lot of things and I also think they are necessary, but if you can't get a job and figure out a budget, even at minimum wage, you farked up
2013-04-30 11:40:26 PM  
1 votes:

freetomato: I'd be okay with a short class on smart shopping and budget management being made available to those who need it, even mandatory possibly. Many people didn't get that kind of common sense education from their parents like they should have. Many are not necessarily going to magically just "get it" if their benefits are more restricted.


Deal.

o5iiawah: If your argument is that someone with 5 kids, who works 80 hours a week doesn't have time to sit in the kitchen and make food all day, chances are they should have stopped at one kid.


Okay. Let's make it someone who works 80 hours a week and has one kid. Now what's your beef?

/hint: It's not about how many kids they have, or how much they work. You just don't want them on your dime, and you'll do whatever you want to make it as uncomfortable as possible.
2013-04-30 11:33:13 PM  
1 votes:

12349876: If you don't have a car and don't live close to a real grocery store, it's a real hassle to get it.


I walk to the grocery store.  1/4 mile away. Its also has a city bus that stops out front and a train stop thats 1/4 mile away as well.  Each offers low-fares for needy individuals.  Take your SNAP and your low income bus voucher to the store and pick up some fruits and vegetables.  I'm sorry, but feeding yourself is a responsibility of being a human.

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: a parent comes home after a long and/or crappy shift, it IS easier to throw mac and cheese together than actually do the cooking for a more nutritious meal. Give the kid a PB&J sandwich + a pack of poptarts for lunch because it's fast and mornings can be a rush as it is.


If all of a sudden, the people in these urban "food deserts" started demanding fresh fruits and vegetables, stores would stock them.  Aside from catching people on their way to work and shoving an orange down their throat, what do you propose?

lolpix: Price per pound is only part of the equation. Fresh fruits and vegetables do not keep as long. This requires you to either spend more time preparing them for storage, or shopping more often.  Typically a bit of both. This takes time and energy expense, be that expense muscle, electricity, or bus fare, which are commodities in and of themselves.  Poor people don't necessarily lack for work either. A lot of poor work 40 to 60 hour weeks like the rest of us slobs. They just don't make enough to get by in the jobs they have. If they were smart, they'd quit their Wal-Mart gig and become investment bankers.


And again, i submit that fresh fruits and vegetables are not only better for your health, keep you full longer, are less expensive than and are more nutritious than crappy pre-packaged foods and meals.  The most pathetic argument I've heard as to why people eat crappy is due to fridge space.  Seriously. For $12, I buy a bunch of veggies, a lb of chicken and a box of multigrain pasta (Which is about $.70 more than the white, enriched pasta) and make a salad.  usually lasts me til Thursday.  You could sub beans for chicken and probably get 8 nutritious meals for $10.

If your argument is that someone with 5 kids, who works 80 hours a week doesn't have time to sit in the kitchen and make food all day, chances are they should have stopped at one kid.  You ask society to subsidize your life, dont be surprised when society feels that it has a vested interest in telling you how you should live it.
2013-04-30 11:31:53 PM  
1 votes:

SCUBA_Archer: As long as the poors can keep trading these veggie stamps for packs of smokes outside of bodegas, I don't think anything will change with the world.


Pretty sure no one in Wisconsin call corner stores that. If you see someone doing that REPORT it instead coming here and parroting the GOP line
2013-04-30 11:21:16 PM  
1 votes:

take_flight: This seems a little vague, and how will they enforce it?


They won't, nor will they provide funding for more oversight.  So when the Milwaukee news does more undercover stories on food stamp recipients buying things outside the guidelines we get another round of faked outrage.

/And asparagus grows wild in half the country ditches in this state if you want cheap veggies.
//Of course you'd have to go to places like Adams and Juneau County for some of it...
2013-04-30 11:13:54 PM  
1 votes:

Godscrack: This doesn't make sense. Forcing the masses to eat right will only make them healthier. And smarter.

Republicans don't like thinking people. Who are they going to fill the jails with?


Wait, I thought Republicans wanted all the people on welfare to starve. I'm so confused

/your newsletter, I want to subscribe to it
2013-04-30 11:12:09 PM  
1 votes:

Mija: Any Pie Left: Cheese and any dairy are good for people, you get calcium and vitamin D, at least. As a snack food, it could be better than say, candy and cookies.

Lactose intolerant people can't have dairy.


well I for one am tired of people demanding that I be tolerant of their intolerance.
2013-04-30 11:07:22 PM  
1 votes:

Summercat: I don't agree with the idea of slippery slope, but SNAP is already limited in what you can buy. But instead of saying "Up to x% allowed on junk-food category of items" and junk food is.. a slippery term - they're saying "X% must be spent on x,y,z."

It's not the way I'd do it, especially since XYZ include higher-priced items that don't last as long as other items (Unless frozen/canned veggies are allowed.).

Sure, people can can/freeze fresh fruits and veggies, but does anyone here really know how if they don't already? I certainly don't, and I consider myself relatively well rounded on things like that.


I haven't seen any indication that frozen and canned vegetables are excluded from the "good food" category. It appears to limit the amount that can be spent on soda and Doritos, not actual real food.
2013-04-30 11:06:30 PM  
1 votes:
Wait, I thought the Glorious and Benevolent Scott Walker hath slain the Dastardly Unions and now Wisconsin has 150% employment and hosts the world headquarters of every member of the Fortune 1000?
2013-04-30 11:04:14 PM  
1 votes:
So, some of you had no knife skills.
2013-04-30 11:01:12 PM  
1 votes:

Molavian: Oh, no.  How terrible!  I enjoy paying for people to eat shiat and get sick, and then pay for their healthcare, too!


Make no mistake about it. Your money goes to insure you seldom have to interact with poor people.
2013-04-30 10:59:42 PM  
1 votes:

lolpix: take_flight: hides bf-now-recently-husband's self-employment income

How do they do that? I ask because my Schedule SE murders me each year.


Yeah, my husband was self-employed in the same business as he is actually, and it killed us too.

He just doesn't report it, and what he does report he takes every single deduction possible. Somehow he claimed a deduction for a $13,000 skid steer, yet only reported $10,000 in income for the year. It seems like they would catch on to that sooner or later. No one even questions how he can afford anything on the less than $200 he claims he makes a week.
2013-04-30 10:58:28 PM  
1 votes:

Hermione_Granger: skullkrusher: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Fruits and vegetables aren't as expensive as people make them out to be. Sure if you're going to buy organic ginger tended to by Tibetan monks, it's going to cost you, but your general stock fruit and vegetables aren't very much. I think the most I spend on a per item basis is lemons, which are like eighty cents.

I'd like to see the percentage of food stamps that must be spent on these ways relaxed to allow for some lean meat, but I'm not altogether against the idea.

they could just eliminate whatever they're calling "junk food" entirely from eligibility

And so when a kid needs something for a food day at school, or even a parent for a food day at work, I guess we should relegate them to a bag of apples or onions.

The rules you accept for poor people will eventually apply to everyone. Be careful what you ask for.


how is eliminating junk food from eligibility going to force people to live on apples and onions?
I don't think there is any sort of slippery slope here
2013-04-30 10:56:00 PM  
1 votes:

Mock26: vpb: Are they going to give them extra on their SNAP card to cover the expense of these luxuries?

If I was on SNAP I would be buying a lot of dried beans and rice, and not too much fresh vegetables.

They can buy frozen vegetables.


Since we became empty nesters we can't eat fresh veggies fast enough before they go bad. Kroger carries 3 lb bags of frozen veggies for about $3.50 and they taste just fine if you don't overcook them.

In the town I used to live in, I regularly saw poor white trash fill their carts with crap food, their overweight kids ripping into bags of chips before they even left the store. Junk food was a rare treat for me growing up. I grew up on the poor side. My grandma had an epic garden and used to bring over brown paper sacks of veggies every week. As an adult I now appreciate how helpful that was to our family at the time. I just love vegetables. It's a shame more kids today don't have the chance to learn to love them too.
2013-04-30 10:55:08 PM  
1 votes:
Oh, no.  How terrible!  I enjoy paying for people to eat shiat and get sick, and then pay for their healthcare, too!
2013-04-30 10:55:03 PM  
1 votes:
Yeah, because politicizing public assistance down to the level of a person's diet isn't at all petty or spiteful, and is sure to make for some sound policy...
2013-04-30 10:53:44 PM  
1 votes:

Any Pie Left: Cheese and any dairy are good for people, you get calcium and vitamin D, at least. As a snack food, it could be better than say, candy and cookies.


Dairy is not good for everyone. Most people who aren't white are lactose intolerant, although this can definitely apply to a lot of white folks as well.
2013-04-30 10:53:38 PM  
1 votes:

IronOcelot: basemetal: Government cheese was good stuff, best grilled cheese ever.
Holy crap! Yes it was.


Yeah, except it came in a 5lb block, unsliced.  So, you either had to grate it, or take your chances slicing it with a knife.  Slicing it tended to create slices that were wedge shaped.  Started off thin, but lost it in the middle, and it got thicker as you reached the bottom.  My solution was to get two wedge shaped pieces, and lay them on each other, thin end to thick end, to make one, large slab for grilling.

it actually was decent American cheese.
2013-04-30 10:53:32 PM  
1 votes:

take_flight: hides bf-now-recently-husband's self-employment income


How do they do that? I ask because my Schedule SE murders me each year.
2013-04-30 10:50:51 PM  
1 votes:

Infernalist: Great Janitor: Well, if the government is feeding you, don't they get a say in what you eat?

Sure, but they have to compensate for the price difference between 'cheap essentials' like rice, beans and milk and eggs and bread and lunch meats....and the higher prices of things like fresh fruits and veggies.  Because they'll quickly run out of benefits before the end of the month if they don't compensate for the higher prices of those healthy foods.


Or, they could do the smart thing and budget out their monthly government benefits.  The word 'fresh' wasn't required, so they aren't saying that food stamp people have to buy fresh fruits and veggies.  Canned and frozen are still options.
2013-04-30 10:50:05 PM  
1 votes:

Godscrack: This doesn't make sense. Forcing the masses to eat right will only make them healthier. And smarter.

Republicans don't like thinking people. Who are they going to fill the jails with?


Nice to see you being a tolerant liberal and all.
Farking allah you're an *hole.

Nice
2013-04-30 10:42:25 PM  
1 votes:
Better crank up the shiat treatment plant another notch.
2013-04-30 10:38:31 PM  
1 votes:

Krumet: You take Caesar's coin, you play by Caesar's rules.


Untilllll............

2.bp.blogspot.com
2013-04-30 10:35:44 PM  
1 votes:
Fruits and vegetables aren't as expensive as people make them out to be. Sure if you're going to buy organic ginger tended to by Tibetan monks, it's going to cost you, but your general stock fruit and vegetables aren't very much. I think the most I spend on a per item basis is lemons, which are like eighty cents.

I'd like to see the percentage of food stamps that must be spent on these ways relaxed to allow for some lean meat, but I'm not altogether against the idea.
2013-04-30 10:35:34 PM  
1 votes:

vpb: Are they going to give them extra on their SNAP card to cover the expense of these luxuries?

If I was on SNAP I would be buying a lot of dried beans and rice, and not too much fresh vegetables.


In RI, you can get $7 in "Freshbucks" for $5 of SNAP for use in farmer's markets.
2013-04-30 10:33:43 PM  
1 votes:

vpb: Are they going to give them extra on their SNAP card to cover the expense of these luxuries?

If I was on SNAP I would be buying a lot of dried beans and rice, and not too much fresh vegetables.


No shiat. Fresh fruit is expensive, especially this time of year. Heck, raspberries were $4 a pint last Saturday if I remember properly.
2013-04-30 10:33:08 PM  
1 votes:
As long as the poors can keep trading these veggie stamps for packs of smokes outside of bodegas, I don't think anything will change with the world.
2013-04-30 10:32:23 PM  
1 votes:
I see at least one Republican is on board with the First Lady's initiative.
2013-04-30 10:30:29 PM  
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Cheese and any dairy are good for people, you get calcium and vitamin D, at least. As a snack food, it could be better than say, candy and cookies.
2013-04-30 10:06:59 PM  
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We should give them the enriched peanut butter-paste stuff we use to keep Africans alive.  It's cheap and it doesn't lead to high health care costs and unsightly fatness.
2013-04-30 08:32:27 PM  
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hypocritical. nobody in wisconsin eats fruits and vegetables. i spent many a weekend at road america back in the 90s - 3-days, paddock pass - and the only things consumed were brats, cheese and beer.
 
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