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(WIBA 1310 Madison)   Wisconsin to force food stamps recipients to spend money on fruits and vegetables. And probably cheese since it's Wisconsin   (wiba.com) divider line 376
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2013-05-01 12:58:32 PM

Mose: PsiChick: Up until you're getting sick from the estrogen they pump the cows with to keep them pregnant, sure. I'm not supposed to eat that shiat anymore, or bread, because both are actually making me fat as fark. And that's whole-wheat bread and low-fat milk. Not even some kind of super-sugar milk concoction and white bread.

Um.  No.

I don't think you know how milking cows works.

Milking cows are bred intentionally to get them pregnant, both to increase the milking herd and to give milking cows periodic breaks from being milked.  A cow will continue to lactate almost indefinitely if milked regularly.  Most smaller farms, as are common in New England where I worked, segregate the pregnant cows as they go "dry" a few weeks before they're due.  Some will milk right up until they stop lactating which is when the estrogen levels naturally produced by the cow in the milk are highest.  Where I worked we stopped milking a pregnant cow about six months into the gestation period, so they'd spend about two to three months in the dry cow pen, which we believed was better for the health of the cow but also incidentally kept hormone levels in the milk we produced lower.  To the best of my knowledge, even the big operations that milk a pregnant cow until it goes dry don't purposely "pump" estrogen into cows.  And even if they did I don't know how that would keep them pregnant...

/TMYK


Yeah, Harvard still linked the estrogen to cancer.

/You're probably right about where it comes from, but it's still unhealthy.
 
2013-05-01 01:28:25 PM

Peki: When you can tell me what god I pissed off before I was born to get all this, then I'll agree I deserve it.


The god of foolish interpersonal associations.

Start forming relationships with people who aren't horrible and watch your life improve!
 
2013-05-01 02:12:52 PM

Two16: doglover: Can't we just farkin' feed people?

We send billions in rice and grain to other countries. Let's just give people some farkin' food. Stop paying farm subsidies for fallow fields and ask them to kick out a few billion bushels of bush beans and such. Every poor family gets X beans and rice per week and some flinstones chewable vitamins. Don't like it? Find a way to make money.


^^^^^^ SERIOUSLY ALL OF THIS ^^^^^^


"Just feeding people" doesn't address their problems.  It merely keeps the alive enough to continue to make bad decisions, have children they cant afford and live an unsustainable life.

We're starting to realize this with Africa and more and more are realizing it with Haiti.  more often than not, food simply enabled poor people to make more poor people if the grain wasn't first stolen by gangs and sold for AKs
 
2013-05-01 02:16:28 PM

Krumet: You take Caesar's coin, you play by Caesar's rules.


Took 15 posts, then I stopped reading. You want extra money? Here's what you can do with it. +1

/I love the hate on "food stamps"... I have a friend on food stamps, she gets a credit card with a limit. Nothing looks out of place when she shops.
 
2013-05-01 02:19:30 PM
On another note. If someone saw a food stamp atm card, managed to find out the pin, then pickpocketed it. Would they be forced to use the cash they get out of a machine on vegetables

Yes, I know. some people have the actual stamps.  But most are very agreeable about taking the card instead.
 
2013-05-01 02:38:51 PM

lolpix: 1) How to vendors implement this, and 2) as a person who eats mostly fresh whole foods, calorie for calorie, they tend to cost two or three times more than prefabricated meals.


I bought a 10 lb. bag of potatoes lask week for $3. Tomatoes are often $2/lb (or less for Roma). Carrots $1/lb. lettuce (varries but iceberg is around $1.29 a head). Broccoli $1.50/lb. etc. etc.

A bag of flamin' hot cheetos costs $3 for around 10 oz. A 10 - 12 oz. frozen dinner costs between $1.50 and $2.50...  not exactly seeing quantity or quality from pre-fab meals and chips/pop.
 
2013-05-01 02:40:37 PM

o5iiawah: Two16: doglover: Can't we just farkin' feed people?

We send billions in rice and grain to other countries. Let's just give people some farkin' food. Stop paying farm subsidies for fallow fields and ask them to kick out a few billion bushels of bush beans and such. Every poor family gets X beans and rice per week and some flinstones chewable vitamins. Don't like it? Find a way to make money.


^^^^^^ SERIOUSLY ALL OF THIS ^^^^^^

"Just feeding people" doesn't address their problems.  It merely keeps the alive enough to continue to make bad decisions, have children they cant afford and live an unsustainable life.

We're starting to realize this with Africa and more and more are realizing it with Haiti.  more often than not, food simply enabled poor people to make more poor people if the grain wasn't first stolen by gangs and sold for AKs



I agree with you.  However, on the list of short term fixes while we, as a culture/species, try to gin up a proper solution it's not a bad idea.
 
2013-05-01 02:57:27 PM
The lobbyists for the soft drink and twinkie companies must be asleep.
 
2013-05-01 03:05:04 PM

cwolf20: Yes, I know. some people have the actual stamps.  But most are very agreeable about taking the card instead.


No, actually they don't.  The actual physical, printed "food stamps" (that looked like currency) were all retired in 2004 in favor of the debit card system.   All of the ones out there from the old program have no value.   They have to be "agreeable" about taking the card, it's the only option from the "take" menu and the only other option is "leave it."
 
2013-05-01 03:15:56 PM

mr lawson: Keizer_Ghidorah: Amazing how many people in here want the government to tell them what they can and can't eat.

only if I am paying for it. Otherwise eat what you want.


So you'd rather they spend $5.00 on oranges instead of .89 cents a Mac-n-Cheese box?
 
2013-05-01 03:21:20 PM

Profedius: Funny I should see this today since last night I was in line behind a woman whose items for purchase were four candy bars, 3 boxes of pastries and 2 two liters of coke. She was speaking on an I-phone 5 the whole time during her check out with gold rings on each of her fingers along with three long gold earrings in each ear and maybe four or five gold necklaces and a large gold bracelet on her left arm. She made her payment for the items with an EBT card (food stamps) and slowly walked out of the store. My check out was quick since I only had two items so I was able to reach the parking lot and see her loading her items from the cart into a band new 2013 Land Rover. She then got into the Land Rover and drove off leaving the cart in the parking lot right behind the car parked next to her after it collided with the car when she let it go and right on the other side of her was the cart return rack.

I look forward to the day when liberals wake the Hades up and realize these programs are a waste of money and resources.


It's funny how personal anecdotes make people think everyone or everything is exactly like something they've experienced once or twice and demand the punishment or destruction of everyone or everything that might be slightly similar to their anecdote.
 
2013-05-01 03:24:29 PM

o5iiawah: Two16: doglover: Can't we just farkin' feed people?

We send billions in rice and grain to other countries. Let's just give people some farkin' food. Stop paying farm subsidies for fallow fields and ask them to kick out a few billion bushels of bush beans and such. Every poor family gets X beans and rice per week and some flinstones chewable vitamins. Don't like it? Find a way to make money.


^^^^^^ SERIOUSLY ALL OF THIS ^^^^^^

"Just feeding people" doesn't address their problems.  It merely keeps the alive enough to continue to make bad decisions, have children they cant afford and live an unsustainable life.

We're starting to realize this with Africa and more and more are realizing it with Haiti.  more often than not, food simply enabled poor people to make more poor people if the grain wasn't first stolen by gangs and sold for AKs


Because America is exactly like Africa and Haiti, just swarming with civil war-fighting armies, massive gangs, poachers, and evil dictatorships.
 
2013-05-01 03:27:23 PM

lawboy87: cwolf20: Yes, I know. some people have the actual stamps.  But most are very agreeable about taking the card instead.

No, actually they don't.  The actual physical, printed "food stamps" (that looked like currency) were all retired in 2004 in favor of the debit card system.   All of the ones out there from the old program have no value.   They have to be "agreeable" about taking the card, it's the only option from the "take" menu and the only other option is "leave it."


Shows how much more I know since the last time I ran one through in a grocery store I was a cashier at in 90s.
 
2013-05-01 05:51:29 PM
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2013-05-01 05:57:49 PM

cwolf20: On another note. If someone saw a food stamp atm card, managed to find out the pin, then pickpocketed it. Would they be forced to use the cash they get out of a machine on vegetables

Yes, I know. some people have the actual stamps.  But most are very agreeable about taking the card instead.


If the EBT card has only SNAP (food stamps) benefits on it, it cannot be used at an ATM. Only an EBT card with both TANF (cash) & SNAP benefits on it can be used at an ATM and the cash would be taken from the TANF benefits only.
 
2013-05-01 08:35:21 PM
Healthcare. Food. Insurance. Gee, the government can pretty much force you to buy anything these days.
 
2013-05-01 09:42:26 PM
i can provide a square meal for about $2.

lasagna
green salad (italian dressing)
garlic bread
lemonade or iced tea
oatmeal cookies or a cupcake

I do this for ~200 people several times a month at outreach centers
I buy the groceries retail (the cookies are already made), and don't get any special discounts.
 
2013-05-01 10:54:47 PM

cwolf20: lawboy87: cwolf20: Yes, I know. some people have the actual stamps.  But most are very agreeable about taking the card instead.

No, actually they don't.  The actual physical, printed "food stamps" (that looked like currency) were all retired in 2004 in favor of the debit card system.   All of the ones out there from the old program have no value.   They have to be "agreeable" about taking the card, it's the only option from the "take" menu and the only other option is "leave it."

Shows how much more I know since the last time I ran one through in a grocery store I was a cashier at in 90s.


cwolf,  I only learned this recently myself.  Was at a swap meet and a guy was selling a bunch of the old notes.  I was curious and he told me that his family used to own a grocery store and people were always bringing them in for a couple of years after they were retired only to find out they had no value.

I remember seeing them a lot when I was a teenager bagging groceries.
 
2013-05-01 11:28:08 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Because America is exactly like Africa and Haiti, just swarming with civil war-fighting armies, massive gangs, poachers, and evil dictatorships.


Has nothing to do with a person living outside their means or bringing people into the world they cannot possibly support.
 
2013-05-01 11:31:03 PM

Popular Opinion: i can provide a square meal for about $2.

lasagna
green salad (italian dressing)
garlic bread
lemonade or iced tea
oatmeal cookies or a cupcake

I do this for ~200 people several times a month at outreach centers
I buy the groceries retail (the cookies are already made), and don't get any special discounts.


You rock.  I like you based on this post alone.
 
2013-05-01 11:37:22 PM

o5iiawah: Keizer_Ghidorah: Because America is exactly like Africa and Haiti, just swarming with civil war-fighting armies, massive gangs, poachers, and evil dictatorships.

Has nothing to do with a person living outside their means or bringing people into the world they cannot possibly support.


In theory I agree with you.  I didn't get pregnant early like a lot of my peers because I "wasn't ready".  But I think you are thinking of the welfare queens., right?  Are you OK with sex ex and access to birth control, to keep those pesky children they can't afford at bay? Or should they hold an aspirin tablet between their knees instead of having sex?  Abstinence education works wonders - ask Bristol!
 
2013-05-01 11:38:56 PM
Sex Ed, obviously.
 
2013-05-01 11:56:53 PM

o5iiawah: Keizer_Ghidorah: Because America is exactly like Africa and Haiti, just swarming with civil war-fighting armies, massive gangs, poachers, and evil dictatorships.

Has nothing to do with a person living outside their means or bringing people into the world they cannot possibly support.


And if they had those children before they fell into welfare? And had those cars and rings and fancy things before the fell into welfare?
 
2013-05-02 12:06:32 AM

Popular Opinion: i can provide a square meal for about $2.

lasagna
green salad (italian dressing)
garlic bread
lemonade or iced tea
oatmeal cookies or a cupcake

I do this for ~200 people several times a month at outreach centers
I buy the groceries retail (the cookies are already made), and don't get any special discounts.


I challenge you to do all of that for $2 for a single person.  It is always cheaper when buying for more people, even if not buying in bulk.
 
2013-05-02 01:31:34 AM

Mock26: Popular Opinion: i can provide a square meal for about $2.

lasagna
green salad (italian dressing)
garlic bread
lemonade or iced tea
oatmeal cookies or a cupcake

I do this for ~200 people several times a month at outreach centers
I buy the groceries retail (the cookies are already made), and don't get any special discounts.

I challenge you to do all of that for $2 for a single person.  It is always cheaper when buying for more people, even if not buying in bulk.


yes, i cannot buy 25 cents worth of lettuce or pasta....
but having lived alone i had to accept that i would have to eat the same thing (leftovers) all week if i made enough at once to be practical. i don't make spaghetti or lasagna for one. i wouldn't try.
of course you can freeze it, or make spaghetti sammiches or something to try to vary it...lol
 
2013-05-02 01:52:30 AM

Mock26: I challenge you to do all of that for $2 for a single person.  It is always cheaper when buying for more people, even if not buying in bulk.


one word. Canning.

You better believe it can be done.
and it tastes awesome!
but it does take a little more time.
/you buy in bulk
 
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