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(WIBA 1310 Madison)   Wisconsin to force food stamps recipients to spend money on fruits and vegetables. And probably cheese since it's Wisconsin   (wiba.com) divider line 376
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2013-05-01 05:10:28 AM

penthesilea: Fresh foods are great, but don't keep well for very long.

Fresh foods also mean going to the grocery store more often.  Which means more time wasted and spending more money on gas or public transportation.  They hardly get anything to put towards food as it is and the politicians are trying to make it even more difficult to survive.

If the politicians really want to make fresh foods a big part of the plan then they need to give a lot more money.  They should triple it.
They never will, but they should.


Live off the giver teat, deal with the govt demands.
 
2013-05-01 05:19:09 AM

Friction8r: Liberals think the government should buy their shampoo, and cell phones, and food, and cars, and hookers and blow.


Says the guys that lives in a state that get more from the federal govt than it gives in taxes.

You're welcome for that knowledge...from a guy that lives in a state that gives more than it gets in federal taxes...California.
 
2013-05-01 05:31:01 AM

cmb53208: Nutritious food has to be made accessible before you mandate its purchase.


And how do you propose to do that?
 
2013-05-01 05:41:15 AM

redslippers: I can get behind this type of regulation. SNAP already disallows purchase of ready to eat prepared foods (like deli sandwiches) and alcoholic beverages. I see no reason that ready to eat can't be expanded to include things like chips, cookies, boxed meal kits and frozen dinners.

There is a direct correlation between what a person eats and their health, and if they qualify for SNAP, it is highly likely they are also on medicaid or the kids are on CHIP. Regulations like this can actually save billions long term.

And I live in a very rural area. I am over an hour drive from the nearest large grocery store with a decent selection. And I am definitely in a produce desert. All I have to choose from locally is generally apples, celery, carrots, onions, iceberg lettuce, bananas, and either strawberries or blueberries. The prices on everything in the tiny local store average 60% higher than the store that is an hour away.

Solution? I can't drive an hour one way all the time, due to time constraints (not to mention how wasteful financially that would be). So I go once a month. I plan my menu out for the entire month before my trip. I purchase a mix of fresh and frozen produce. The fragile stuff gets eaten first, the hardier veggies and fruits with longer shelf life get eaten in week two (and some, like carrots and potatoes, well into week three), and the last week or so of the month I utilize the frozen stuff. I don't purchase many convenience foods, because when I do, my kids eat constantly, are sick all the time, and my grocery bill for a family of seven on mostly whole foods is around $750 per month. If I buy the common convenience foods, like frozen entrees and chips (which I've had to do in the past, most recently when we were moving and my kitchen was still mostly packed) it jumps to around $1100 per month. That is a vast difference. When I say I buy mostly whole foods, I do buy things like healthy cereals, pasta, and ketchup (seriously, who makes their own ketchup?) ...


Write a booklet and license it to the government.  Seriously, my hat's off to you!
 
2013-05-01 05:46:23 AM

lolpix: take_flight: hides bf-now-recently-husband's self-employment income

How do they do that? I ask because my Schedule SE murders me each year.


Yeah, see, you're reporting it.  Common mistake for rookies  :)

/SE employment tax SUCKS
 
2013-05-01 05:46:51 AM
Produce deserts, stores full of tempting junk food, no stores where the food stamps are....

Open government-run stores where the food stamp users are, and accept only food stamps.  Stock stores with whatever food stamp users are supposed to eat.

Call it SNAPs Club.  Members only.
 
2013-05-01 06:04:24 AM
Amazing how many people in here want the government to tell them what they can and can't eat.
 
2013-05-01 06:24:44 AM

The Southern Dandy: Friction8r: Liberals think the government should buy their shampoo, and cell phones, and food, and cars, and hookers and blow.

Says the guys that lives in a state that get more from the federal govt than it gives in taxes.

You're welcome for that knowledge...from a guy that lives in a state that gives more than it gets in federal taxes...California.


Sorry, that's no longer true. People REALLY need to stop referring to that 2005 study, as it is SO out of date.

California currently receives $1.09 for every $1.00.

in 2009, Barbara Boxer HERSELF calculated that California received $1.45 for every $1.00 sent to the Federal Government.

Just FWIW, California is now (and has been for a few years), a "taker" state.
 
2013-05-01 06:40:48 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Amazing how many people in here want the government to tell them what they can and can't eat.


only if I am paying for it. Otherwise eat what you want.
 
2013-05-01 06:51:05 AM

take_flight: I know two people who get SNAP, one works full time and has 5 kids living at home, they get around $300/month and spend it mostly on meat, bread, and milk.

The other doesn't work and hides bf-now-recently-husband's self-employment income, they get around $600/month with 3 kids living at home, and spend it mostly on spaghetti o's and boxed macaroni and cheese for the kids. They eat out almost every day on bf-now-recently-husband's hidden income. (They also own 3 cars...2 of which are newer than mine, and one with a $400/month car payment, which is affordable for them because they live in section 8 housing and only pay $180.month for their 3 bedroom townhouse).

The latter is one reason why people create bills like this.


Or, you know, you could take the resoncible action of turning them in, instead of hoping for the legislative thugs to pass more fark-the-poor laws...
 
2013-05-01 06:52:04 AM
In theory, it is a great idea. Unfortunately it will be expensive and a mess to implement it as written. They should just move certain categories of food off the eligible list: snack foods, soda, and candy would be a great start.
 
2013-05-01 07:09:34 AM
Since this will increase the demand for fruits and vegetables, the price will rise for normal hardworking citizens. Thanks a lot Obama!
 
2013-05-01 07:16:24 AM

LessO2: factoryconnection: The government need not be in the business of subsidizing diabetes, heart disease, strokes, and other dietary killers among the poor, for whom the limited healthcare they receive is often paid for by... the government.

The Government likely does that already.   Silly Farker, Capitalism will ALWAYS trump health or safety.

If you want to get bootstrappy, strip the folks like Kraft, Pepsico, Nestle and Tyson of their tax subsidies.  Do they get subsidies?, hell if I know, but they're big enough to have buddies on Capitol Hill, so it's very likely they do.

Make the price of a two-liter bottle of soda five bucks, the "Family Size" bag of Doritos 10 bucks, see how fast those will stay on the shelves longer.


How is arbitrarily raising the prices on those products considered "bootstrappy?"
 
2013-05-01 07:19:28 AM

doglover: Can't we just farkin' feed people?

We send billions in rice and grain to other countries. Let's just give people some farkin' food. Stop paying farm subsidies for fallow fields and ask them to kick out a few billion bushels of bush beans and such. Every poor family gets X beans and rice per week and some flinstones chewable vitamins vitamin injections with rusty, meth infested needles. Don't like it? Find a way to make money.


FTFY. They're poor, so they're used to it.
 
2013-05-01 07:26:12 AM

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: /This will create lawsuits under the 5th Amendment


?
 
2013-05-01 07:27:15 AM
Too expensive?  I did three 30 day juice fasts last year.

I consumed nothing but plant matter.

$7.50 per day.
 
2013-05-01 07:32:26 AM

poison_amy: I'm with the "fruit and veg isn't that expensive" group. Bananas have to be the biggest nutrition bargain you can buy. Apples are super cheap. Sure, fancy honeycrisps are $4 a pound, but you can get yummy Braeburns for under a dollar a pound. Potatoes and carrots are pennies a pound. Also, in SD you can spend snap money on food--bearing seeds and plants. Anyone can grow tomatoes, peppers, and cucumbers. You can even grow them in containers.

But people don't want to buy ingredients and cook. Because laziness.


I honestly think it's because more and more people don't know how to prepare anything in the kitchen.
I'm guessing the average person hasn't a clue when it comes to "how do I use this Kale that's on sale".
 
2013-05-01 07:35:57 AM

Molavian: Spanky_McFarksalot: people  say that like they personally get a bill each month.

IF, you pay taxes and don't any kind of refund (assuming you don't take any of the credits offered and actually get back MORE in federal taxes than you pay in) you portion of the bill is like what? a few dollars  a month?

I was going to joke around a bit, but you do realize that a lot of people actually have to pay taxes, right?


Yes, a lot of people, somewhere on the order of 100%, pay taxes.
 
2013-05-01 07:37:18 AM

skullkrusher: Protricity: I didn't read the part about the new law their gonna pass to prevent merchants from doubling the price on any such produce when this goes into effect.

I mean, they are going to do that right?

they're gonna double the price of produce to take advantage of this increase in the proportion of 15% of  the population's food money that must be spent on produce? Dubious.


I am glad I'm not the only one who noticed. You did better than I though, I put them on ignore with the comment that they're likely retarded.
 
2013-05-01 07:39:36 AM

LarryDan43: Since this will increase the demand for fruits and vegetables, the price will rise for normal hardworking citizens. Thanks a lot Obama!


No..  because the demand for fruits and veg goes up, the farms that grow nothing but corn will have to start growing real food en mass, and then the prices will drop because real food will no longer be so rare.
Thank a lot Obama!
 
2013-05-01 07:42:52 AM

Moonlightfox: So I'm going to have to memorize a list of what they decide is "junk food" and what they decide is "whole food," Or risk getting to the checkout and getting HERP DERP REJECTED when I swipe my card, because I bought one too many "bad" food items? I already spend most of my food money on cheese, meat, grains, and vegetables, but maybe I have some money left over at the end of the month and I'm having people over and I want to go buy some chips and salsa? Do I also have to buy an eggplant or have the transaction fail?

This kind of micromanagement looks like nothing but a way to try and subvert benefits programs by burying them in red tape and overhead. That way they can be targeted as "waste" when the spending cuts come. Notice how the people supporting it are republicans?


Buy the ingredients to make your own chips and salsa.  Then you have a healthy meal.  :)
 
2013-05-01 07:46:07 AM

santadog: LarryDan43: Since this will increase the demand for fruits and vegetables, the price will rise for normal hardworking citizens. Thanks a lot Obama!

No..  because the demand for fruits and veg goes up, the farms that grow nothing but corn will have to start growing real food en mass, and then the prices will drop because real food will no longer be so rare.
Thank a lot Obama!


The odd thing is, basically none of our food subsidies go to fresh fruits and veggies. Corn (mostly not eaten as a vegetable), wheat, milk? Yep. Spinach, apples, peas? Nope.
 
2013-05-01 07:48:28 AM
I'd force them to buy condoms and get snipped so no more mouths to feed.
 
2013-05-01 07:51:23 AM
 His proposal set for a Tuesday vote would require people on state nutrition assistance program to buy less soda, chips and candy bars


Why are they buying *any* soda, chips and candy bars with taxpayer money? I get people need help. I have no issue with that. But why do I need to subsidize your snacking habits? If you want to feed your kids, fine. If you want a Snickers, pay for that your Goddamn self. I want to scream every time I see someone using their EBT card to buy bags of Hostess choco donuts, frozen pizzas, 'fruit' pies, RC cola, 20 boxes of pizza rolls and Doritos. Buy some real damn food. Too lazy to prepare food? At least get some hamburger helper or something.

CSB:
Got stuck behind some attractive and succesful people who had used EBT to buy a bunch of junk food, and were using WIC to actualy get some healthy stuff. The lady got a two pound bag of grapes, but WIC was only going to pay for 1 pound. The lady says "Why you be charging me for dem grapes?" The cashier explains that they are sold by the pound and not the bag, and that she'd have to pay 2 bucks (for the extra pound) if she wanted them. Lady says "I ain't paying no 2 dollars for no grapes. Put dem back" The really egregious part was that the two women had brand new Nikes, gold chains, Offical NBA hats with the tags and gold stickers still on them (so everyone knows how much they paid) and both were rocking new model Samsung smartphones.

Maybe I'm just old fashioned, but I think if you can afford to put rims on your car, gold caps on your teeth and buy better clothes, jewelry, and phones than me, maybe....just maybe...you shouldn't be on public assistance.
 
2013-05-01 07:55:55 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Amazing how many people in here want the government to tell them what they can and can't eat.



People like you speak of a responsibility and an obligation we all have to take care of one another.  If I ended up on food stamps or public assistance, I would feel that the least I can do is choose foods that are inexpensive yet healthy and will keep me off my the public health system as well.  Unfortunately you cant always count on people to make the right decisions and when society bears the responsibility that the individual refuses to assume, then it places rules on benefits.

Dont like being told what to eat or where to shop?  make enough to support your 5 kids.

Again, when you demand society subsidize your life you cant then be surprised when society sets the terms.
 
2013-05-01 07:57:40 AM

KarmicDisaster: Since Republicans are doing this, there is probably some reason. This won't save taxpayers a dime, since people will still get the same amount of aid but will just spend it on other stuff, so cost savings is not the reason. I think that the real reason is the Republican desire to "punish" people that they don't like, just like their parents punished them. In this case, by making it harder for stores to comply with the program they will  force a lot of them to drop out of the program. That will make it harder and more time consuming for  the poor to travel to stores to buy things to eat, which is considered good in the Republican mindset since as they "know" the poor are all Blacks or Liberals that have been on welfare for their whole lives and need be punished and encouraged to move away. Did you know that Wisconsin imprisons more Blacks (by their proportion in the population) than any other state? That's the reason they are doing this.


Potentially vast savings in healthcare pretty much negates your argument. At the very least it means you can safely be ignored as one who won't contribute anything of value to the conversation.
 
2013-05-01 07:58:17 AM

doglover: Can't we just farkin' feed people?

We send billions in rice and grain to other countries. Let's just give people some farkin' food.


Are other countries not people?
 
2013-05-01 08:08:02 AM
I know a woman who's on social security disability and has been getting foodstamps/SNAP for over 20 years.  She literally weighs 300+ pounds and says the government is to blame for her obesity because she can't afford to buy healthy foods.  However, she literally eats a gallon of ice cream and a bottle of chocolate syrup daily for the first two weeks of the month (until she runs out of money on her SNAP card). She buys 2-serving size portions of kung-pao chicken for $8, and she and her son go through three of those a day. She can't afford to buy milk and cereal for her kid though, and fruits and vegetables are way too expensive, not to mention too much work. For the last half of the month, they live on ramen noodles and hand-outs from the food bank. I tried showing her how to make kung-pao chicken at home but she says that it's way too time-consuming. I think for people like her, who refuse to take responsibility for their diet and subsequent health problems, this may be the only solution.
 
2013-05-01 08:36:06 AM
I'm OK with this. My wife suggested this years ago. She also recommended a manditory 4-6 hour course in nutrition and basic food prep for anyone applying for food assistance programs.

/we are libby, lib, libs
 
2013-05-01 08:37:33 AM

PsiChick: Up until you're getting sick from the estrogen they pump the cows with to keep them pregnant, sure. I'm not supposed to eat that shiat anymore, or bread, because both are actually making me fat as fark. And that's whole-wheat bread and low-fat milk. Not even some kind of super-sugar milk concoction and white bread.


Um.  No.

I don't think you know how milking cows works.

Milking cows are bred intentionally to get them pregnant, both to increase the milking herd and to give milking cows periodic breaks from being milked.  A cow will continue to lactate almost indefinitely if milked regularly.  Most smaller farms, as are common in New England where I worked, segregate the pregnant cows as they go "dry" a few weeks before they're due.  Some will milk right up until they stop lactating which is when the estrogen levels naturally produced by the cow in the milk are highest.  Where I worked we stopped milking a pregnant cow about six months into the gestation period, so they'd spend about two to three months in the dry cow pen, which we believed was better for the health of the cow but also incidentally kept hormone levels in the milk we produced lower.  To the best of my knowledge, even the big operations that milk a pregnant cow until it goes dry don't purposely "pump" estrogen into cows.  And even if they did I don't know how that would keep them pregnant...

/TMYK
 
2013-05-01 09:23:56 AM
You want people to eat healthier? Stop subsidizing corn and start subsidizing vegetable crops instead.

/Only vaguely relevant
 
2013-05-01 10:04:37 AM

tripleseven: IronOcelot: basemetal: Government cheese was good stuff, best grilled cheese ever.
Holy crap! Yes it was.

Yeah, except it came in a 5lb block, unsliced.  So, you either had to grate it, or take your chances slicing it with a knife.  Slicing it tended to create slices that were wedge shaped.  Started off thin, but lost it in the middle, and it got thicker as you reached the bottom.  My solution was to get two wedge shaped pieces, and lay them on each other, thin end to thick end, to make one, large slab for grilling.

it actually was decent American cheese.


Oh yeah.  5 lb blocks of Govt. cheese.  Mmmmmmm....

/and I'm serious, loved the stuff too
 
2013-05-01 10:26:58 AM
Wisconsin to force food stamps recipients to spend money on fruits and vegetables

This is what happens when you keep electing the "party of small government".
 
Bf+
2013-05-01 10:34:34 AM
Well, thank god the state republicans are spending tons of money on important things like punishing those nasty poors, rather than worrying about, oh, I dunno... farking job creation!
 
2013-05-01 10:43:26 AM
I get most of my fruits and veggies at the 99 cent only store.  Really.  But then again, I live in an agricultural area, so they are plentiful.  I get pints of strawberries, grape tomatoes and bags of pre-cut lettuce for 99 cents.   That store rocks!
 
2013-05-01 10:46:31 AM

Bf+: Well, thank god the state republicans are spending tons of money on important things like punishing those nasty poors, rather than worrying about, oh, I dunno... farking job creation!


spending money to create jobs....stop me if this has failed before.
 
2013-05-01 10:52:27 AM

doglover: Can't we just farkin' feed people?

We send billions in rice and grain to other countries. Let's just give people some farkin' food. Stop paying farm subsidies for fallow fields and ask them to kick out a few billion bushels of bush beans and such. Every poor family gets X beans and rice per week and some flinstones chewable vitamins. Don't like it? Find a way to make money.


Does anyone else here remember commodities? I'm talking about the government program, not the term in general. Maybe I'm the only one who grew up poor, but I can remember my mom going to the courthouse once a month and getting a ration of things like cheese, peanut butter, butter, powdered milk, etc. I know that the program still exists to some extent, but you don't hear much about it anymore.

The reason I bring it up is because of a program I heard about a few years ago. My former MIL went in and signed up for commodities. She lives in a region that is near an Indian reservation (extremely high poverty). The way the program worked there was that they had one big "store" that was all commodities. Now I never saw the place and I'm going on memory and what she told me, so I may not have all of the details completely correct. In any case, she said that you go in, and depending on your "level" (income, number of dependents, etc.), you were allowed so many "units" of food from each part of the store. One section might have been vegetables, one dairy, one grains, etc. Some of it was fresh, some frozen, some canned, some dried. The thing about it was that there was no "junk" food. I won't claim that it was all health food. She brought us some canned products that were probably high in sodium, but it was all actual food. There was no Coke, Snickers or Doritos in the store. There was no budgeting, no trying to figure out the best way to get reasonably healthy food for the least amount of money. It was just straight up "you get 10 units of vegetables, 10 units of grains, 5 dairy, etc.". Everything was packaged in a way to be a single unit, roughly equivalent to every other product in that section. I remember she brought me a "soup mix" that was a bag of tubers - turnips, potatoes, carrots and onions. It made a pretty good vegetable beef soup.

If we are going to feed people, then let's feed people. Don't hand a wad of money to people who probably have no idea how to spend it wisely and then turn them loose in a supermarket full of shiny, processed crap and expect them to make good decisions. Just straight up give them food. I think it would also cut down on trading their food stamps for cash. It will still happen, they can always resell the food at a discount price, but it's a lot harder than handing someone a card and getting cash in return.

Of course, this won't work everywhere. There has to be a certain demand level to make this sort of project economically feasible. I think that it would work great in high poverty areas, however. Hell, you could run free shuttles to the place on a regular schedule to help ensure that they can get there on a regular basis. Yes, it limits their choices. Tough shiat. You can't go to a soup kitchen and demand a steak supper. If I'm buying your groceries, you can live with some restrictions. If you want a bag of chips and a candy bar, buy it on your own dime.
 
2013-05-01 10:59:27 AM

Bathia_Mapes: factoryconnection: Bathia_Mapes: That's what I'm wondering. Fruits & vegetables, especially fresh ones, tend to be expensive. And quite frankly not everyone has access to a large supermarket where the produce prices are generally cheaper.

Beans and rice are whole foods, as are frozen and canned veggies, and all are far better than the heavily-processed junk food that they're targeting.

Food stamps (TANF, SNAP) are meant to SUPPLEMENT the food budget for families.  The government need not be in the business of subsidizing diabetes, heart disease, strokes, and other dietary killers among the poor, for whom the limited healthcare they receive is often paid for by... the government.  Yeah, veggies are more expensive than nutrient-bereft corn chips, but they also don't lead to a poor populace that is both obese and malnourished.  White rice isn't that good for you, but at least it doesn't come with a litany of 25-cent-word processing ingredients.

Yes, SNAP is meant to supplement a family's food budget, but in reality it's often the only source a family has to buy food. It's not uncommon for the work income of a family to go towards rent, transportation to & from work, necessary clothing, etc., with nothing left to purchase food.

BTW-TANF is cash benefits and not everyone on SNAP gets TANF.


Yeah Tyrone's Air Jordans are a necessity
 
Bf+
2013-05-01 11:06:40 AM

o5iiawah: Bf+: Well, thank god the state republicans are spending tons of money on important things like punishing those nasty poors, rather than worrying about, oh, I dunno... farking job creation!

spending money to create jobs....stop me if this has failed before.



I didn't say spend money to create jobs.
 
2013-05-01 11:11:05 AM
I'm sort of puzzled by the argument that eating decent food is expensive. It might be a better deal to buy some things frozen instead of fresh, sure, especially if you consume them slowly enough that they'll otherwise go bad, but those should really be included in any restriction to 'whole' or healthier foods. What, exactly, are people doing that processed food is all they can afford?

I've always gotten the impression that they're more expensive and are marked up due to the convenience. A $5.99 box of microwaveable whatever with eight times the sodium of making it yourself with $3 of ingredients and 20 minutes at the stove. Granted, maybe if you're relying on generic cheetos or something, you'll be able to find filling empty calories for cheap, but in terms of things are recognizable as food meant for human consumption? I'm not saying it's not possible for this to be true, but it sounds like a bullshiat excuse for eating garbage because you don't want to or don't know how to cook.

/ Not a comment on whether or not food stamps are sufficient, just a comment on what you're getting for the money you do get.
 
2013-05-01 11:23:39 AM
proteus_b: 
Some people fail at life and they do so deservedly. (Peki sounds like one...)


Since you're missing some of the story, let me fill you in on what I've deserved since I graduated college:

I deserved to lose a job in '06 after I was robbed at gunpoint by coworkers and the store closed following a double homicide a month afterwards.
I deserved to lose a job in '08 after finding pictures on my then-husband's computer that would make Chris Hansen blush (so I left, and since my only family was in California, that's where I went, three days before the biggest drop in the stock market since the Great Depression; I've always had impeccable timing.)
I deserved to blow out my knee in '10, causing me to lose another job, as I was out on medical for 2+ months, longer than I was supposed to, because a month after I blew out the knee, I was in a car accident (passenger) that shattered my cast in three places, making the previously somewhat torn MCL almost completely torn.
I deserved to be kicked out by previously mentioned family because my stepfather decided that putting 3 scoops to make coffee instead of 2 was disrespectful and offensive (yes, there's more, that was just the flashpoint).
I deserve to not be able to cook my own food because I want to eat what *I* think is healthy instead of what my MIL thinks is healthy.
I deserved to lose a job in '12 because I have PTSD (see the above, and that's just since college, there's more trauma before that) and two sleep disorders.
I deserve to have difficulties in finding a job because I have psoriasis that's visible on my entire forehead and down my cheeks--as for treatment, I really don't think I should have to actively jeopardize my health by taking immuno-suppressants; other meds are either too expensive (Dovonex) or ineffective (UV treatments).

When you can tell me what god I pissed off before I was born to get all this, then I'll agree I deserve it.
 
2013-05-01 11:44:33 AM
Funny I should see this today since last night I was in line behind a woman whose items for purchase were four candy bars, 3 boxes of pastries and 2 two liters of coke. She was speaking on an I-phone 5 the whole time during her check out with gold rings on each of her fingers along with three long gold earrings in each ear and maybe four or five gold necklaces and a large gold bracelet on her left arm. She made her payment for the items with an EBT card (food stamps) and slowly walked out of the store. My check out was quick since I only had two items so I was able to reach the parking lot and see her loading her items from the cart into a band new 2013 Land Rover. She then got into the Land Rover and drove off leaving the cart in the parking lot right behind the car parked next to her after it collided with the car when she let it go and right on the other side of her was the cart return rack.

I look forward to the day when liberals wake the Hades up and realize these programs are a waste of money and resources.
 
2013-05-01 11:47:44 AM

Peki: Bumblefark: eggrolls: Why don't we just cut out the middle man. Standardized bags of food, nutritionally balanced and calorically sufficient. Modified versions for Kosher, Hallal, diabetic, gluten, etc. You pick up your food allotment at the government food distribution center. Government buys in bulk, saves money, creates jobs at the distribution centers. Heck, subcontract them to Kroger, Publix and Stop & Shop so they don't complain about lost food stamp business. You want extra? There's a park that needs to be weeded, or a meals on wheels that needs weekend volunteers. This is public assistance, it's not supposed to be fun, or easier than working for your dinner.

*Always* hilarious when the capitalist revenge fantasy goes far enough around the bend that it becomes more or less indistinguishable from the practice of communism.

3 right turns = a left. :)


The *really* funny part is, I am a screaming pinko-liberal type. Mostly.
 
2013-05-01 12:01:17 PM

doglover: Can't we just farkin' feed people?

We send billions in rice and grain to other countries. Let's just give people some farkin' food. Stop paying farm subsidies for fallow fields and ask them to kick out a few billion bushels of bush beans and such. Every poor family gets X beans and rice per week and some flinstones chewable vitamins. Don't like it? Find a way to make money.



^^^^^^ SERIOUSLY ALL OF THIS ^^^^^^
 
2013-05-01 12:03:31 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Bathia_Mapes: vpb: Are they going to give them extra on their SNAP card to cover the expense of these luxuries?

If I was on SNAP I would be buying a lot of dried beans and rice, and not too much fresh vegetables.

That's what I'm wondering. Fruits & vegetables, especially fresh ones, tend to be expensive. And quite frankly not everyone has access to a large supermarket where the produce prices are generally cheaper.

carrots are cheap as shiat.  onions are sometimes.  Not all fruits and veggies are expensive.



Yeah but none of that shiat tastes like a Big Mac... and unaware people love the taste of cheap "food" over the real thing.

/I ain't lovin' it
 
2013-05-01 12:39:16 PM
Forcing people to eat real food? Those bastards.
 
2013-05-01 12:39:23 PM

inglixthemad: vpb: Are they going to give them extra on their SNAP card to cover the expense of these luxuries?

If I was on SNAP I would be buying a lot of dried beans and rice, and not too much fresh vegetables.

No shiat. Fresh fruit is expensive, especially this time of year. Heck, raspberries were $4 a pint last Saturday if I remember properly.


A: The people who wrote the law are from California.
2:  Frozen fruit/veg is the same as fresh.
 
2013-05-01 12:43:55 PM

Mock26: take_flight: I know two people who get SNAP, one works full time and has 5 kids living at home, they get around $300/month and spend it mostly on meat, bread, and milk.

The other doesn't work and hides bf-now-recently-husband's self-employment income, they get around $600/month with 3 kids living at home, and spend it mostly on spaghetti o's and boxed macaroni and cheese for the kids. They eat out almost every day on bf-now-recently-husband's hidden income. (They also own 3 cars...2 of which are newer than mine, and one with a $400/month car payment, which is affordable for them because they live in section 8 housing and only pay $180.month for their 3 bedroom townhouse).

The latter is one reason why people create bills like this.

Turn them in.


To the people who make their living doling out Section 8 and SNAP. Then wait.
 
2013-05-01 12:49:09 PM

Bumblefark: Yeah, because politicizing public assistance down to the level of a person's diet isn't at all petty or spiteful, and is sure to make for some sound policy...


Stop taking our money, then. It's nobody's business what you eat when you pay for it by yourself.
 
2013-05-01 12:58:21 PM

Popular Opinion: we probably ate out less than 3 times a year. bob's big boy on somebody's birthday....


I don't recall ever going out to eat in any restaurant for any reason. If Pappy had a couple extra bucks, maybe once a year I was sent on a walk (didn't have a bicycle) to White Castle to buy a bunch of burgers at 5 cents a piece.
 
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