Peki: The problem is that by punishing the parents you punish the kids. You're okay with starving children? On your conscience, buddy.
hasty ambush: Infernalist: Great Janitor: Well, if the government is feeding you, don't they get a say in what you eat?Sure, but they have to compensate for the price difference between 'cheap essentials' like rice, beans and milk and eggs and bread and lunch meats....and the higher prices of things like fresh fruits and veggies. Because they'll quickly run out of benefits before the end of the month if they don't compensate for the higher prices of those healthy foods.Nonsense as many have already posted veggies and fruit are not all that expensive, particularly if you are not buying the over priced organic stuff. I know carrots, bananas, strawberries etc are relatively cheap where I live and the store brand canned fruits and veggies are cheap also. The too expensive argument does not fly
o5iiawah: They choose not to eat it because it takes time to prepare when they get it home from the store and before they cook it.
o5iiawah: There's a gigantic market of people in urban areas who consume food.
o5iiawah: If people all of a sudden demanded fresh fruits and vegetables, stores would stock it and prices would go down as more product can be delivered on the same truck that comes regardless
o5iiawah: fusillade762: This from the party that wants to make abortion illegal and contraception harder to get50 years and 5 republican presidents have gone by since RvW yet it is still the law of the land. Your schtick is tired.
Musikslayer: KarmicDisaster: Since Republicans are doing this, there is probably some reason. This won't save taxpayers a dime, since people will still get the same amount of aid but will just spend it on other stuff, so cost savings is not the reason. I think that the real reason is the Republican desire to "punish" people that they don't like, just like their parents punished them.I think you're on to something, but I suspect a different motive: When the Governor of Florida wanted drug testing, it turned out that his wife owned drug testing facilities. I suspect the same motives here. Eventually, there will be an attempt to limit the purchases to one or two particular brands i.e. "Koch Brothers new Mango Cherry foodstuffs". Even better: have distribution centers, where people pick up their "approved" food. I'm sure quite a few people are salivating over that thought, a contract like that would be worth billions.
PsiChick: nd on the fact that most junk food is made from heavily subsidized crops like corn and milk, and by heavily subsidized megacorporations, which drives price way down
o5iiawah: There were a lot of people in the neighborhood like that too and they came up with creative solutions like growing food in the neighborhood, organizing a co-op to get food delivered or even taking turns carpooling to the store.
Ranger Rover: I don't work in our benefits department, but I know my office has one to help clients like you get the benefits they need. I just tried to search for one for you, and there are a few in Los Angeles County, but this seems like a good place to start: http://www.nlsla.org/programs/practices/administrative-lawLink is to the NLSLA's "Administrative Law Unit," which would be the practice area most likely to help clients navigate benefits claims issues.
o5iiawah: PsiChick: nd on the fact that most junk food is made from heavily subsidized crops like corn and milk, and by heavily subsidized megacorporations, which drives price way downSounds like you just made the argument for ending corn/sugar/dairy subsidies. The Libertarian movement welcomes you.
Mija: Any Pie Left: Cheese and any dairy are good for people, you get calcium and vitamin D, at least. As a snack food, it could be better than say, candy and cookies.Lactose intolerant people can't have dairy.
o5iiawah: I am not okay with starving kids but if said person demands society take care of their children, that is fine. Society then must take care of the children in the way it sees fit. This includesmaking sure the parents cant load them up with junk food and cheap crap.
TheDirtyNacho: Fruits and veggies aren't that expensive and a banana goes a lot further nutritionally than say, a bag o' chips.That said, these foods can be hard to come by for some people without transportation, so it should be paired with addressing the lack of quality food in impoverished areas.
Euk: I guess they assume that all poor people all have access to working kitchens, pots, pans, plates, working sinks and the various things someone living the life above the poverty level takes for granted. You know, if the poor have it so great, why would anyone ever work?Maybe if they just pulled up on their bootstraps hard, they'd be able to cook without access to some or all of that stuff. Maybe improvise a nice cooking area using a broken shopping cart and some copies of phone book no one uses anymore.
TV's Vinnie: Krumet: You take Caesar's coin, you play by Caesar's rules.Untilllll............[2.bp.blogspot.com image 560x339]
Peki: That looks. . . like it might actually help. Bookmarked. Ty!
12349876: So how about a living wage and mandated work limits so everyone has the time to do it?
fusillade762: How quickly you forget.
fusillade762: And just about every GOP candidate voiced their opposition to requiring insurance to pay for contraception. You think that's going to make it EASIER to get?
fusillade762: You're being willfully ignorant if you've missed all the "Death by a thousand" cuts being attempted on abortion at the state level.
12349876: And at least in my city, drive to the suburbs to get it. The city was basically begging for a grocery to be downtown, only got one (now two) a couple years ago, and even they're quite small. And of course the high crime areas only have glorified gas stations. And plenty of poorly planned suburbs that don't have much of anything close by.
12349876: There are billions of people in the world demanding fresh fruits and vegetables and aren't getting it.
o5iiawah: I am not okay with starving kids, hence my post which you obviously completely ignored - but if said person demands society take care of their children, that is fine. Society then must take care of the children in the way it sees fit. This includesmaking sure the parents cant load them up with junk food and cheap crap.
theMightyRegeya: kombat_unit: It's nice to see Fark's pro veg moderates (or whatever leftists are called now) condemn plan because a most unsavoury repub brought the change.You do realize it's the notion that they'll probably get the same amount of money, and that it has to be spent on more expensive food now, right?Right?Ah, forget it. We could look to Detroit, MI, where they've been using vacant lots to build community gardens in the absence of decent grocery stores, but hey, people hear "community" and think "communist". Because rolling up your sleeves and working as a team is un-American. Just ask Rudy Giuliani.
o5iiawah: Bathia_Mapes: convenience storeAgain, show me some numbers on people who eat almost exclusively from convenience stores.
Intoxoman: I've been in line behind people using the food stamps, the old script type, harder to tell theses days. Shrimp, lobster tail , ribeyes, you name it I saw it. Then I'd put my items on the conveyor in disgust at what my $9/hour got me. Some onions, hamburger, hamburger helper, anything else I saw to add to hamburger helper, beans, hotdogs, you get the idea. This was the 90's but I did do 2 months of food stamps in the 80's. I had a lot of roommates, gave the whole pack of script to the girl in charge (she cooked yes but she WAS in charge) and it went towards....real food not shiat. I see no problem with this policy, spend it like you need it, I did.
Peki: Love the name calling, btw. Classy way to make your point
Peki: Growing food requires additional water
Peki: Can you get decent yields without buying any kind of soil amendment or pest control?
Peki: I'm imagining 4 adults getting groceries for 4 families; it's an amusing visual, but I'll let you explain how that one could feasibly work.
Euk: I guess they assume that all poor people all have access to working kitchens, pots, pans, plates, working sinks and the various things someone living the life above the poverty level takes for granted. You know, if the poor have it so great, why would anyone ever work?
Cyno01: o5iiawah: Bathia_Mapes: convenience storeAgain, show me some numbers on people who eat almost exclusively from convenience stores.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_desert
Peki: Hmm. You seem to think I think it's unreasonable to have limits on what parents can spend money on. I don't. I mentioned upthread about how I wasn't surprised, wasn't upset, just curious, when the store wouldn't let me buy a Monster with my food stamps. They shouldn't have. I'm totally OK with that.
Ranger Rover: I haven't been behind everything you've said in this thread, but I'm behind this.
o5iiawah: You fired the first snarky salvo calling me some heartless bastard who has no idea how the other half lives.
o5iiawah: Rain barrel systems are unbelievably cheap
o5iiawah: its called what we did for 10 years that I grew up. But you grew up in the burbs to an upper middle class family so you wouldn't know how us salty folk got by.
o5iiawah: Wait, who doesn't have access to pots and pans? are some people really trying to make this argument?
Summercat: Cyno01: o5iiawah: Bathia_Mapes: convenience storeAgain, show me some numbers on people who eat almost exclusively from convenience stores.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_desertDon't you be linkin' no facts!/This thread inspired me to drunkenly get off my ass and attempt to cook something.
grimlock1972: What i would like to know is how the propose to enforce this? any electronic tracking method is going to be a nightmare and expensive to both the state and the grocery stores.
Trocadero: o5iiawah:Wait, who doesn't have access to pots and pans? are some people really trying to make this argument?My brother's friend lived in a tiny apartment w/ no kitchen whatsoever for a year or so. He had a mini fridge and a microwave. He ate out every night.
o5iiawah: because a republican is introducing the plan means liberals like you are butthurt about it.
Void_Beavis: It really amazes me that what Saudi Arabia is to oil, the United States is to food. We can literally produce more food than the population can possibly eat. We could basically give it away to poor people. And yet we treat it like its the last precious commodity we have because we'll be damned if poor people ever get anything for free without first humiliating them in the most awful ways.Sad really.
ausfahrk: TV's Vinnie: Krumet: You take Caesar's coin, you play by Caesar's rules.Untilllll............[2.bp.blogspot.com image 560x339]"Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government...Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction."18 USC § 2385 - Advocating overthrow of GovernmentGet in the jail.
o5iiawah: 12349876: Good for you. You don't fit into my qualifiers. Not everyone lives 1/4 mile from the grocery. Not everyone has good direct public transportation from their house to the grocery. But keep pretending everyone is as fortunate as you are.ok, so who are these people who fit your qualifiers. Give me a percentage of the population who is starving because for some reason, we can get power, light plumbing and SNAP to their house but there's no food stores anywhere.Believe you me, if I could live out in the boonies, away from buses, trains and everything else, i would. Nothing beats county fruit/veggie stands or even your own garden. Seems the further you live from a food store, the better access you have to fruits and veggies. Growing up in Sticks, FL that was always my experience anyways...
Peki: Huh. A liberal who doesn't want the government over-regulating something just because. Your mind a little blown over there?
Infernalist: Sure, but they have to compensate for the price difference between 'cheap essentials' like rice, beans and milk and eggs and bread and lunch meats....and the higher prices of things like fresh fruits and veggies. Because they'll quickly run out of benefits before the end of the month if they don't compensate for the higher prices of those healthy foods.
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