12349876: Good for you. You don't fit into my qualifiers. Not everyone lives 1/4 mile from the grocery. Not everyone has good direct public transportation from their house to the grocery. But keep pretending everyone is as fortunate as you are.
Spanky_McFarksalot: Molavian: Oh, no. How terrible! I enjoy paying for people to eat shiat and get sick, and then pay for their healthcare, too!people say that like they personally get a bill each month.IF, you pay taxes and don't any kind of refund (assuming you don't take any of the credits offered and actually get back MORE in federal taxes than you pay in) you portion of the bill is like what? a few dollars a month?compare that to the trillions in guaranteed loans to wall street or the tax payer money that went to their bonuses alone.Family getting food vs, wall street douches getting their kitchen remodeled.Which one do conservatives hate more? hmmmm
Ranger Rover: If your slashy is suggesting I said or implied that, you're just looking for a fight that I didn't start and don't want to give you.As for where I'm getting the assertions I made, from about four years now of working with (and hanging out with) low-income populations in various capacities. I was a teacher first and then have spent the last couple of years in a legal clinic serving indigent clients and working mainly with families of young children. We talk about these things. Also, I'm learning the process myself. I grew up very comfortably, am now on a very limited budget (mostly because that's what you have to deal with when your job is helping poor people) and several of the things I talked about apply to myself as much as anyone else, and many friends in similar situations from similar backgrounds.
o5iiawah: 12349876: Good for you. You don't fit into my qualifiers. Not everyone lives 1/4 mile from the grocery. Not everyone has good direct public transportation from their house to the grocery. But keep pretending everyone is as fortunate as you are.ok, so who are these people who fit your qualifiers. Give me a percentage of the population who is starving because for some reason, we can get power, light plumbing and SNAP to their house but there's no food stores anywhere.Believe you me, if I could live out in the boonies, away from buses, trains and everything else, i would. Nothing beats county fruit/veggie stands or even your own garden. Seems the further you live from a food store, the better access you have to fruits and veggies. Growing up in Sticks, FL that was always my experience anyways...
Dingleberry Dickwad: Very rarely I find myself loving living in buttfark central WI.
Peki: Okay. Let's make it someone who works 80 hours a week and has one kid. Now what's your beef?/hint: It's not about how many kids they have, or how much they work. You just don't want them on your dime, and you'll do whatever you want to make it as uncomfortable as possible.
fusillade762: This from the party that wants to make abortion illegal and contraception harder to get
RockChalkH1N1: You're an idiot, people getting food stamps sickens me. Get a job, show up on time, do the work and go home. I don't care if it's, "a few dollars a month". It's my money and no one else deserves to have it. I'll pay taxes for a lot of things and I also think they are necessary, but if you can't get a job and figure out a budget, even at minimum wage, you farked up
Peki: freetomato: I'd be okay with a short class on smart shopping and budget management being made available to those who need it, even mandatory possibly. Many people didn't get that kind of common sense education from their parents like they should have. Many are not necessarily going to magically just "get it" if their benefits are more restricted.Deal.o5iiawah: If your argument is that someone with 5 kids, who works 80 hours a week doesn't have time to sit in the kitchen and make food all day, chances are they should have stopped at one kid.Okay. Let's make it someone who works 80 hours a week and has one kid. Now what's your beef?/hint: It's not about how many kids they have, or how much they work. You just don't want them on your dime, and you'll do whatever you want to make it as uncomfortable as possible.
o5iiawah: I walk to the grocery store. 1/4 mile away. Its also has a city bus that stops out front and a train stop thats 1/4 mile away as well. Each offers low-fares for needy individuals. Take your SNAP and your low income bus voucher to the store and pick up some fruits and vegetables. I'm sorry, but feeding yourself is a responsibility of being a human.
o5iiawah: Yeah about that. Staple fruits and veggies are not that expensive.Apples: $2/lbOnions: $1/lbGrapefruit: $1/eaMango: 2 for $32lb Bag of carrots: $2.99Oranges: $1/eaLimes: 3/$1
Don't Troll Me Bro!: Dingleberry Dickwad: Very rarely I find myself loving living in buttfark central WI.Dude, move to Madison. shiat rocks here. Those cheese curds you love to squeak on? I picked up a pound of freshly made ones at the farmer's market on Jenifer St. today. Made at 4AM just outside town, just $5 a pound. Lots of varieties too; got some with fresh dill seasoning today. Didn't even have to drive, even though I live like 6 miles away. Bike path all the way except for about 6 blocks from my house, and the last two blocks before the market. Tons of young ladies out jogging/biking/skating/sunbathing along the way. Lots of fit dudes with shirts off too, if you're into that, or if you're a rare internet girl. Grabbed some coffee at one of the awesome coffee shops on Willy St before riding home. Life's too short to not enjoy where you live./was a good day//still a little amped up from the coffee
Bathia_Mapes: Summercat: SCUBA_Archer: As long as the poors can keep trading these veggie stamps for packs of smokes outside of bodegas, I don't think anything will change with the world.In California, SNAP benefits are now on an electronic card.I'm not even certain paper food stamps exist any longer. Most states use EBT cards for TANF & SNAP benefits.
The All-Powerful Atheismo: onions are sometimes. Not all fruits and veggies are expensive.
bborchar: cheap public transportation.
ZeroCorpse: In Michigan there's a program in place that gives double food assistance value if you spend it at select farm markets. I think that is an awesome way to encourage healthier eating.
albatros183: I keep hearing about Wisconsin cheese but I've never seen it here is it only available in Wisconsin ?
Somacandra: The All-Powerful Atheismo: onions are sometimes. Not all fruits and veggies are expensive.Don't even farking call onions "vegetables." That's like calling persimmon a "fruit" and sassafras an "herbal tea." Technically correct in name only.
o5iiawah: Go ahead and eat healthy for a week. You'd be amazed how much your body doens't get salt/sugar cravings and how long something as stupid as an apple can go towards keeping you full for a while. I'm a 28 year old normal sized dude and a $.70 apple for breakfast tides me over just fine until Lunch.
MemeSlave: Peki: freetomato: I'd be okay with a short class on smart shopping and budget management being made available to those who need it, even mandatory possibly. Many people didn't get that kind of common sense education from their parents like they should have. Many are not necessarily going to magically just "get it" if their benefits are more restricted.Deal.o5iiawah: If your argument is that someone with 5 kids, who works 80 hours a week doesn't have time to sit in the kitchen and make food all day, chances are they should have stopped at one kid.Okay. Let's make it someone who works 80 hours a week and has one kid. Now what's your beef?/hint: It's not about how many kids they have, or how much they work. You just don't want them on your dime, and you'll do whatever you want to make it as uncomfortable as possible.Why WOULD you want them on your dime?
o5iiawah: Your right to sleep with whomever you want and make your own sexual choices comes with the responsibility of bearing the costs associated with an "oops." That isn't punishing anyone - it is called expecting people who demand the freedom to make adult decisions deal with consequences of those decisions.
vpb: Are they going to give them extra on their SNAP card to cover the expense of these luxuries?If I was on SNAP I would be buying a lot of dried beans and rice, and not too much fresh vegetables.
Fart_Machine: I'm OK with this. WIC does this already.
Summercat: Also, ah, thanks for the TF?
RedPhoenix122: Does that apply to all onions, or just the yellow ones?
JVD: They shouldn't be able to buy any food that they can't buy on the WIC (Women, Infants and Children) program. It is a very strict list of healthy foods.
Peki: The problem is most people on the outside looking in can't tell the difference (see o5, for example),
12349876: I'm not talking boonies here, I'm talking inner cities and poorly planned suburbias. And I'm not talking about starvation, I'm talking access to a large selection of affordable fresh food. You may be close to a 7-11 but not a Kroger or farmer's market.
Peki: I'm similar to you; I grew up upper middle class, now I'm dirt poor. Biggest problem I have is not knowing how to navigate the welfare systems to get what I need. I know there are programs out there that I might qualify for, but figuring out how to access them is beyond me. Not to mention my situation doesn't fit the boxes they like to give you. Example: They want to know how I pay for things. If I mention my fiance's income, then I have to submit his, his parents (as they claim him as a dependent), and my tax returns. Yeah, you go asking your mother-in-law for her tax returns and see what kind of answer you get. For disability, I needed to get 4 letters from my employer stating a) when I worked, b) what my weekly hours were, c) what my ending pay was, and d) what my last paycheck amount was (yes, in 4 separate letters, one letter with all the information wouldn't work). When I went to my employer, they said to talk to the temp agency. Temp agency said talk to the employer.
kombat_unit: It's nice to see Fark's pro veg moderates (or whatever leftists are called now) condemn plan because a most unsavoury repub brought the change.
Bathia_Mapes: convenience store
KarmicDisaster: Since Republicans are doing this, there is probably some reason. This won't save taxpayers a dime, since people will still get the same amount of aid but will just spend it on other stuff, so cost savings is not the reason. I think that the real reason is the Republican desire to "punish" people that they don't like, just like their parents punished them.
PsiChick: The big problem with this bill, though, is that healthy foods cost more. Nowhere in TFA do they mention SNAP paying for how much more it costs...which means if that's your only food income, suddenly you might not have enough food anymore.
Infernalist: Great Janitor: Well, if the government is feeding you, don't they get a say in what you eat?Sure, but they have to compensate for the price difference between 'cheap essentials' like rice, beans and milk and eggs and bread and lunch meats....and the higher prices of things like fresh fruits and veggies. Because they'll quickly run out of benefits before the end of the month if they don't compensate for the higher prices of those healthy foods.
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