CMcMahon: So... what do Alex Jones and the Conspiratards have on this one?
Flint Ironstag: WhyteRaven74: remus: I worked another where the co-pilot was beheaded by a bird coming thru the canopy.I heard of an incident in the 70s, not sure what plane or exact location, but someone was working on a plane in a hanger, when the ejection seat went off...I was an instructor in the Air Training Corps here in the UK years ago. A bunch of cadets were on a week camp at a RAF airbase and were being shown round a hangar including a Tornado being serviced, with chances to sit in the seats etc. After they left a mechanic notices one of the pins from the ejector seat was missing....He told the FS, the FS told the officer, the officer told the base commander etc. It went up to the top of the RAF and then back down the chain of command of the ATC, in about half an hour. Every cadet was confined to quarters, uniformed ATC staff were on the carpet, civilian staff were almost as confined to quarters as the cadets. When the guilty cadet confessed his parents got a call saying "Your son is no longer in the Air Cadets. You have to collect him now". The atmosphere lasted the rest of the week and affected the next few weeks groups as well.They do not mess around with ejector seats.
lewismarktwo: If the armor was loose, couldn't it come forward as well? Maybe that's why it went so nose down...
Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: My guess is that the stall warning did not go off as it should.
The Southern Dandy: Peki: boywondered: More than likely, the pilots were pushing forward on the controls as hard as they could to get the nose down, but the elevator was not effective enough.Question: Is turning effective? It would seem to me that if your nose is pointing damn near vertical, any direction would get the nose down.No. If the CG is too far back, it's doesn't matter which way you turn, the tail will always point down.
redsquid: Pfighting Polish: I_Am_Weasel: Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: I got crazy with my girlfriend one time while eating some ellipses. I was't being careful so it led to a pregnant pause.This underscores why you must be careful.Some people just don't understand the aste-risks.You can't get a pregnant pause if you use the colon.
Charlie Freak: WizardofToast: One of my greatest fears is riding a plane that just drops out of the sky mid-flight. Now I'm going to hate every take off unless all the fat people are kept in the center seats./I know fat people can't bring down a plane//But ya never knowNot true. Not likely, but not true. Ever been in a regional jet when they ask passengers to move around? That's why. Some planes would barely "notice." Others would. A lot.Look up the 1977 University of Evansville Men's basketball team.
Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: Most amazing thing is there is one muffled "fark" during that whole thing. I would have been washed away in a flood of terror diarrhea and hoarse from screaming newly invented vulgar phrases had that happened right in front of me
gibbon1: lewismarktwo: This is a crash that loots a bit similar. Root cause was the control locks were not disengaged.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=by7fzs6paic
doofusss: Looked to me as though the pilot was attempting to turn, back towards the runway
ZAZ: It looked like he almost had it under control when the ground got in the way. That's why you should build your airport at the edge of a cliff. Of course then you get complaints about landing.
SpikeStrip: remus: SpikeStrip: remus: this isn't going to be pretty.opposed to what?// have actually had a conversation, while eating lunch, that included the words "what's that? I think it's a piece of tongue..."// continued eating lunch...what happened next?
StretchCannon: 1) This was a microburst. It's obvious. You can see the thunderstorm that caused it in the shot. You can see the plane pitching in the column of air.2) You can be damn sure that the weather guys told the pilot not to take off with the thunderstorm cell that close, but the pilot chose to ignore them.3) Pilots will blame this on the load shifting because pilots don't like blaming pilot error on pilot error. They'll try to blame the loadmaster. A load shifting wouldn't cause the plane to suddenly tilt opposite the control surface orientation. I watched seasoned pilots recover from worse wind sheer than this for four years at Dover AFB in Delaware.
thedumbone: There was no force able to drop that nose that became more pronounced at reduced speeds other than CG
thedumbone: Put me down as the (first?) to say - NOT a load shift.
Charlie Freak: I hate hearing the engines. Their intensity matches the fight that was going on in the cockpit.
Lsherm: Charlie Freak: Wow, that's got to be a cargo shift.Yeah, cargo planes don't go vertical after liftoff on purpose.
Charlie Freak: Wow, that's got to be a cargo shift.
Satanic_Hamster: saladan0: For those interested, here is the preliminary reports from aviation-safetyhttp://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20130429-0">http:/ /aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20130429-0It seems it was indeed a cargo shift that happened immediately after takeoff, and as those above me noticed, they didnt even get the gears up.The question is if the loadmaster had the cargo improperly secured, or if it was a due to a malfunction of the tiedown equipment. Regardless the USAF is going to be reeling from this one for a while.I've known a number of loadmasters. They've all been heavily anal retentive sticklers to rules in every aspect of their lives.If I had to bet I'd put my money on mechanical failure.
MorePeasPlease: http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1314&dat=19800707&id=APhLAAAAI BA J&sjid=xO4DAAAAIBAJ&pg=2404,2617907
HighZoolander: I had to turn it off after the expletive at the 1:15 mark - that just pushed the video past an intensity level that I can handle. What happened after that?
RoyBatty: What sort of evidence can be used to determine a weight shift?Can you get shifting CG out of a black box, or can you only get, engines were operating normally, flaps were set to ..., etc.?
thedumbone: Build a paper airplane. Check that it flies normally. Tape a bunch of coins to the nose/tail and throw it towards the ceiling.
Smallberries: Satanic_Hamster: saladan0: For those interested, here is the preliminary reports from aviation-safetyhttp://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20130429-0">http:/ /aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20130429-0It seems it was indeed a cargo shift that happened immediately after takeoff, and as those above me noticed, they didnt even get the gears up.The question is if the loadmaster had the cargo improperly secured, or if it was a due to a malfunction of the tiedown equipment. Regardless the USAF is going to be reeling from this one for a while.I've known a number of loadmasters. They've all been heavily anal retentive sticklers to rules in every aspect of their lives.If I had to bet I'd put my money on mechanical failure.Except that the load master probably wasn't on the plane. There is a reason pilot's use checklists, their life is on the line, everyone else uses checklists cause the pilots life is on the line...
diaphoresis: people_are_chumps: I'm flying for the first time in 12 years next week so I'm not getting a kick....I haven't flown in over 33 yrs.. TSA means I'll never fly again./Well, I had no reason to fly. TSA just cements the decision.
puffy999: thedumbone: Build a paper airplane. Check that it flies normally. Tape a bunch of coins to the nose/tail and throw it towards the ceiling.Seriously, what a f*cking stupid analogy.
Kittypie070: You jerkoffs trolling about this being a false flag, does it make you feel all manly and "bigger" now!?People are DEAD and you witless freaks think it's amusing to shart your foul Alex Jones monstrousities on them.Go choke on a bowl of shredded flags.
Bendal: I wonder how much effect the steep climb the plane took on leaving the ground had on the eventual crash. IIRC all planes leaving Bagram make a maximum climb rate take off to avoid any potential ground fire outside the perimeter from insurgents. Throw that into a maximum payload situation, and something comes loose, and you get what's on the video; had they just been taking off normally I'm not sure they would have ended up in that kind of unrecoverable situation even had the payload shifted.
Quantum Apostrophe: Linux
Cats_Lie: Socialism fails again.
Glockenspiel Hero: A young kid had been sitting in the cockpit of an A6 and was fiddling with the knobs and levers. The crew chief hadn't properly secured the ejection seat. Kid didn't survive. Last airshow there for a very long time
neilbradley: To anyone who is a pilot (or know about such things), why didn't he put the nose down and power up? If you can see you're about to be in a stall situation, that's fairly easy to determine in VERY short order.
katerbug72: CrewJamie Brokaw, pilot, Monroe, MIBrad Hasler, pilot, Trenton, MIJeremy Lipka, pilot, Brooklyn, MIRinku Summan, pilot, Canton, MIMichael Sheets, loadmaster, Ypsilanti, MIGary Stockdale, mechanic, Romulus, MITimothy Garrett, mechanic, Louisville, KYSo sad for their families. RIP.
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