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2013-04-30 11:31:08 PM

traylor: I understand the nose up movement (pitch) was caused by the cargo shift. But why the roll? Isn't that a pilot error?


I'm guessing it could have been the weight imbalance onboard the plane, the wind, or most likely a combination of both. Once the plane stopped climbing, the pilot would've had very little control until it started to fall and pick up speed again. Looks like he did manage to level it out, and probably could've pulled out of it if the ground had been maybe 1000 feet lower.

/not a pilot, just guessing
//RIP crewmen
 
2013-04-30 11:31:09 PM
Anyone else notice the time stamp on the video?
 
2013-04-30 11:31:32 PM
That guy is a shiat driver.
 
2013-04-30 11:31:47 PM

GoldDude: China White Tea: This is a graphic video and an expletive is used at about the 1:15 mark.

...just the one?

The guy sees a plane crash and burst into a huge fireball with no comment.  About a minute later he utters the expletive in question.
Maybe it took him that long to remember someone asking him if he had properly secured the cargo, and him replying "Yeah, sure.  Whatever."


...

I could only click 'Funny' just the once, so I also clicked 'Smart.'

I feel bad about doing that, too.
 
2013-04-30 11:32:53 PM

Strangerarranger: Well I hope those in First Class got marshmellows on sticks before they landed. I'm thinking they would have had a good use for those. S'Mores anyone?

And I hope nobody had to pay to check their baggage on the flight. I'm thinkig all baggage was lost inflight.


Didn't read the article, huh?
 
2013-04-30 11:32:55 PM

Strangerarranger: Well I hope those in First Class got marshmellows on sticks before they landed. I'm thinking they would have had a good use for those. S'Mores anyone?

And I hope nobody had to pay to check their baggage on the flight. I'm thinkig all baggage was lost inflight.


I think you missed the part where it's a cargo plane.
 
2013-04-30 11:33:46 PM

Flint Ironstag: Glockenspiel Hero: WhyteRaven74: remus: I worked another where the co-pilot was beheaded by a bird coming thru the canopy.

I heard of an incident in the 70s, not sure what plane or exact location, but someone was working on a plane in a hanger, when the ejection seat went off...

Many years back I went to an airshow at Willow Grove NAS.  My folks were sitting under a wing of a plane (shade) while I was standing in line to see a Sea King when I heard a muffled "boom" and saw a parachute unfurling in the air.  Went right over me and landed on the plane my folks were under.

A young kid had been sitting in the cockpit of an A6 and was fiddling with the knobs and levers.  The crew chief hadn't properly secured the ejection seat.  Kid didn't survive.  Last airshow there for a very long time.

A couple more tales I heard about. I was talking to a guy who worked on the refuelling trucks.There was an airshow in the UK, can't remember which one, that had two Mig's doing a routine. They hit each other head on. This crew were directly underneath, half on a break lying on the wing of a Hercules, half working on the truck. They saw the crash happen directly above them and a chunk of one of the Mig's landed on the tail of the Herc. Of the crew working the fuel truck one of the guys ran for cover. Under the fuel truck.
All survived.

The other story I heard third hand. We had a training squadron that had Bulldogs, two seat, side by said, low wing prop trainers. Because it was the then primary RAF trainer it had parachutes, but not ejection seats. The chute was built into the seat back so you climbed onboard, did up the chute five point harness then did up the seat five point harness. Getting out was the reverse, hit the seat harness buckle then the chute buckle and step out.
One day an instructor was flying solo when he had an engine fire, so he bailed out. Except, out of sheer habit, he had undone both buckles and jumped leaving the chute on the plane...

Found the video  of the ...


And the 2 Russian pilots have a smoke and walk away.
 
2013-04-30 11:36:04 PM

katerbug72: Crew
Jamie Brokaw, pilot, Monroe, MI
Brad Hasler, pilot, Trenton, MI
Jeremy Lipka, pilot, Brooklyn, MI
Rinku Summan, pilot, Canton, MI
Michael Sheets, loadmaster, Ypsilanti, MI
Gary Stockdale, mechanic, Romulus, MI
Timothy Garrett, mechanic, Louisville, KY

So sad for their families. RIP.


Ah...shiat.  I was hopeful there would be people ignorant of what was going on until somewhat closer to impact, but given the titles of everyone on board, they knew exactly what was happening at least from the time the plane appears in the video.

Sucks, RIP.
 
2013-04-30 11:36:58 PM
Not CSB: Apparently, my first officer used to work with and knew one of the guys onboard.

It just makes you feel ill seeing something like this.
 
2013-04-30 11:37:09 PM

traylor: I understand the nose up movement (pitch) was caused by the cargo shift. But why the roll? Isn't that a pilot error?


Not at all. In a stall, both wings stall, but one will always stall more than the other. Especially in a power-on stall like this one (low speed high power). Go grab a ride in a Cessna and ask the pilot to perform a power-on stall for you. Same thing happens.
 
2013-04-30 11:37:57 PM

people_are_chumps: I'm flying for the first time in 12 years next week so I'm not getting a kick....


we're all missing the point here, which is to give people_are_chumpsencouragement.

i780.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-30 11:39:21 PM

humanshrapnel: katerbug72: Crew
Jamie Brokaw, pilot, Monroe, MI
Brad Hasler, pilot, Trenton, MI
Jeremy Lipka, pilot, Brooklyn, MI
Rinku Summan, pilot, Canton, MI
Michael Sheets, loadmaster, Ypsilanti, MI
Gary Stockdale, mechanic, Romulus, MI
Timothy Garrett, mechanic, Louisville, KY

So sad for their families. RIP.

Ah...shiat.  I was hopeful there would be people ignorant of what was going on until somewhat closer to impact, but given the titles of everyone on board, they knew exactly what was happening at least from the time the plane appears in the video.

Sucks, RIP.


I did some Facebook stalking and Jamie Brokaw comes from a long line of pilots, has a young daughter and just got married last summer. farking sad as hell. I can't look at FB anymore tonight. I'm going to have nightmares about that crash. The crash in Cast Away gave me panic attacks. My worst fear is crashing in a jet over water.
 
2013-04-30 11:40:23 PM
My brother flies cargo planes in Afghanistan. I haven't heard from him in a couple days, so I am not getting a kick.....etc
 
2013-04-30 11:40:29 PM

RatOmeter: Quantum Apostrophe

Go away, shiathead.  Are you same guy who did Linux_Yes?  Probably orally at a truck stop.. ah, fark it.  Just go away.


Well geez if we'd known you're into that we'd have called.

Bring some grape jelly.
 
2013-04-30 11:40:49 PM

RexTalionis: Damn, that is a really bad stall.


Classic execution. I've seen Pittmans do that at air shows at much greater heights, but not a big honking jet.

It's like they took off, pulled all throttles to zero, and yanked the yoke into their ball sacks, standing the plane on its tale.

A whole lot of ugly.
 
2013-04-30 11:40:49 PM

remus: That would match the video... I used to do crash investigations, this isn't going to be pretty.


Oh I don't know. You should see what my gardener did with my yard.  I'll be he could fix up that burn spot in no time.  Little mulch, grass seed, fertilizer, water... oh right no water in the stan.
 
2013-04-30 11:41:20 PM

ko_kyi: Satanic_Hamster: I've known a number of loadmasters.  They've all been heavily anal retentive sticklers to rules in every aspect of their lives.

Well, if your training includes video like this where someone screwed up, I can see why.


Yep.  That's the type of personality that job attracts / rewards / promotes.   You WANT anal retentive freaks who obsess with going over all the procedure because THAT'S what the RULES say.  Because if you skip a step you might have shiat like that happen.

On the other hand, playing RPG's / tabletop war gaming w/ them can be trying at times.  F'ing rules lawyers.
 
2013-04-30 11:42:41 PM
Video from another angle

http://youtu.be/NgWm1E_KKhE?t=2m30s
 
2013-04-30 11:43:36 PM

Igor Jakovsky: And the 2 Russian pilots have a smoke and walk away.


Being Russian it was probably smoking and swigging from a bottle of vodak that caused the crash.

/Used to work with a Russian. Showed him a shopped pic I found on the net of a Russian Army Knife. It has eight tools. Three are bottle openers and the other five are corkscrews.
 
2013-04-30 11:45:08 PM

iron_city_ap: Not CSB: Apparently, my first officer used to work with and knew one of the guys onboard.

It just makes you feel ill seeing something like this.


Was there a guy with the initials J.W.R. on board?
 
2013-04-30 11:45:40 PM

Cats_Lie: Socialism fails again.


Are we blaming Obama or is it Mission Accomplished? I can never tell with the internet anymore.
 
2013-04-30 11:46:19 PM
pro tip - weight and balance.
 
2013-04-30 11:46:50 PM

Glockenspiel Hero: WhyteRaven74: remus: I worked another where the co-pilot was beheaded by a bird coming thru the canopy.

I heard of an incident in the 70s, not sure what plane or exact location, but someone was working on a plane in a hanger, when the ejection seat went off...

Many years back I went to an airshow at Willow Grove NAS.  My folks were sitting under a wing of a plane (shade) while I was standing in line to see a Sea King when I heard a muffled "boom" and saw a parachute unfurling in the air.  Went right over me and landed on the plane my folks were under.

A young kid had been sitting in the cockpit of an A6 and was fiddling with the knobs and levers.  The crew chief hadn't properly secured the ejection seat.  Kid didn't survive.  Last airshow there for a very long time.


http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1314&dat=19800707&id=APhLAAAAI BA J&sjid=xO4DAAAAIBAJ&pg=2404,2617907
 
2013-04-30 11:48:11 PM

katerbug72: Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: katerbug72: Crew
Jamie Brokaw, pilot, Monroe, MI
Brad Hasler, pilot, Trenton, MI
Jeremy Lipka, pilot, Brooklyn, MI
Rinku Summan, pilot, Canton, MI
Michael Sheets, loadmaster, Ypsilanti, MI
Gary Stockdale, mechanic, Romulus, MI
Timothy Garrett, mechanic, Louisville, KY

So sad for their families. RIP.

RIP and condolences, despite my joking throughout the thread

If it helps you, I have you tagged as "flood of terror diarrhea". I tend to joke in bad situations because it's either that or break down and cry and I don't like doing that.


Sad for the families, but glad my brother wasn't on board. RIP guys....
 
2013-04-30 11:49:22 PM

remus: WhyteRaven74: remus: I worked another where the co-pilot was beheaded by a bird coming thru the canopy.

I heard of an incident in the 70s, not sure what plane or exact location, but someone was working on a plane in a hanger, when the ejection seat went off...

Yes, in Germany.  F-4 Phantom.  Martin Baker Mark III seat.  The crew chief wanted to leave this mortal coil, so he did it on purpose.


That actually sounds like a pretty cool method, assuming nobody else was hurt. I'd feel too guilty about the nasty mess I'd be leaving for my coworkers to clean up, but maybe he hated those guys.

I want to go like Slim Pickens in Dr. Strangelove. Not with the bomb, particularly, just the ride! If I were rich and suicidal I'd pay SpaceX to strap a seat on the side of one of their first stages, and take the round trip*...Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee{splat}

Freefall jumping just wouldn't be the same. Human terminal velocity is way too slow for my last joyride! And I'm too respectful of others' property to steal a biz jet and dive the wings off.
---
*Yep, I know there's a mod for that in Kerbal Space Program,  thanks  :)
 
2013-04-30 11:51:00 PM

God-is-a-Taco: inglixthemad: aedude01: jayhawk88:

Princess Juliana International Airport:

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Wow that's somewhat terrifying.
www.charlock.org
 
2013-04-30 11:55:01 PM

marksman: iron_city_ap: Not CSB: Apparently, my first officer used to work with and knew one of the guys onboard.

It just makes you feel ill seeing something like this.

Was there a guy with the initials J.W.R. on board?


Johnny Walker Red?
 
2013-04-30 11:55:48 PM

God-is-a-Taco: inglixthemad: aedude01: jayhawk88:

Princess Juliana International Airport:

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 450x300]
[q8allinone.com image 778x445]


[api.ning.com image 850x647]

[farm7.staticflickr.com image 640x425]


It can cause severe physical harm which can result in extreme bodily harm? That seems oddly worded.
 
2013-04-30 11:55:57 PM

Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: Meisaims: Why did the dog sound so upset? That actually freaked me out more than anything.

Dogs don't like thunder, so I imagine a huge explosion and fire might be upsetting


Also explains why the "f*ck* doesn't come out until 1:15 into the crash. That driver was stone cold. I would have been shouting profanities from the boom.
 
2013-04-30 11:57:10 PM

iron_city_ap: Not CSB: Apparently, my first officer used to work with and knew one of the guys onboard.

It just makes you feel ill seeing something like this.


Tell him someone sends a hug from California. My bro works on an aircraft carrier in the gulf; all military is family.

Valiente: RexTalionis: Damn, that is a really bad stall.

Classic execution. I've seen Pittmans do that at air shows at much greater heights, but not a big honking jet.

It's like they took off, pulled all throttles to zero, and yanked the yoke into their ball sacks, standing the plane on its tale.

A whole lot of ugly.


Makes for a great story though.
 
2013-04-30 11:59:20 PM

eggrolls: Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: Meisaims: Why did the dog sound so upset? That actually freaked me out more than anything.

Dogs don't like thunder, so I imagine a huge explosion and fire might be upsetting

Also explains why the "f*ck* doesn't come out until 1:15 into the crash. That driver was stone cold. I would have been shouting profanities from the boom.


Maybe people from other countries don't yell to themselves as much as Americans do?
 
2013-04-30 11:59:56 PM

Mad_Season: Video from another angle

http://youtu.be/NgWm1E_KKhE?t=2m30s


You know what that's just bullsh^t....I mean how did Yosimite Sam drop his guns.Then all of a sudden he is back on the plane with the guns??

//Thoughts.
 
2013-05-01 12:00:37 AM

SpikeStrip: people_are_chumps: I'm flying for the first time in 12 years next week so I'm not getting a kick....

go rent 'fearless' 'hero' 'alive' 'flight' and 'flight 93'

no way you can crash after that.


Heh, the night before myself and a couple of others were to jump on a plane bound for the himalayas, we watched The Grey, without knowing anything about the movie prior. That caused a couple of nervous laughs...
 
2013-05-01 12:00:46 AM

Charlie Freak: eggrolls: Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: Meisaims: Why did the dog sound so upset? That actually freaked me out more than anything.

Dogs don't like thunder, so I imagine a huge explosion and fire might be upsetting

Also explains why the "f*ck* doesn't come out until 1:15 into the crash. That driver was stone cold. I would have been shouting profanities from the boom.

Maybe people from other countries don't yell to themselves as much as Americans do?


I think giant airplanes falling from the sky and exploding elicit an almost universal response.
 
2013-05-01 12:01:18 AM

eggrolls: Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: Meisaims: Why did the dog sound so upset? That actually freaked me out more than anything.

Dogs don't like thunder, so I imagine a huge explosion and fire might be upsetting

Also explains why the "f*ck* doesn't come out until 1:15 into the crash. That driver was stone cold. I would have been shouting profanities from the boom.


He may have.....known something......

[cue conspiracy theories to the left]
[or right]
 
2013-05-01 12:01:26 AM

W.C.fields forever: Mad_Season: Video from another angle

http://youtu.be/NgWm1E_KKhE?t=2m30s

You know what that's just bullsh^t....I mean how did Yosimite Sam drop his guns.Then all of a sudden he is back on the plane with the guns??

//Thoughts.


I meant Thoughts and prayers.
 
2013-05-01 12:03:08 AM

OtherLittleGuy: Crashing Bagram Style.


I think I may be going to hell for laughing at that.
 
2013-05-01 12:04:53 AM

eggrolls: Charlie Freak: eggrolls: Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: Meisaims: Why did the dog sound so upset? That actually freaked me out more than anything.

Dogs don't like thunder, so I imagine a huge explosion and fire might be upsetting

Also explains why the "f*ck* doesn't come out until 1:15 into the crash. That driver was stone cold. I would have been shouting profanities from the boom.

Maybe people from other countries don't yell to themselves as much as Americans do?

I think giant airplanes falling from the sky and exploding elicit an almost universal response.


I dunno. Did you watch the Russian dashcam videos of the giant meteor exploding?
 
2013-05-01 12:08:44 AM

Lsherm: Charlie Freak: Wow, that's got to be a cargo shift.

Yeah, cargo planes don't go vertical after liftoff on purpose.


Are they still doing a max angle climbout from Bagram to avoid any nearby SAMs?
 
2013-05-01 12:09:20 AM

Deucetoo: Notice how calm and quiet the guy was? I'm calling a false flag. There was something on that plane Obama didn't want going to the UAE. This guy just HAPPENED to be there recording this as calm as you like? This video wasn't supposed to get released. This guy is probably now in GTMO.

/amidoingitright?


Being a divisive retard injecting politics into a thread that has nothing to do with left/right squabbling? Yeah, I'd say you're managing okay.
 
2013-05-01 12:11:44 AM
False flag.
 
2013-05-01 12:12:13 AM
I don't understand why the audio is so quiet. The mic is clearly capable of picking up voices. If I saw that, even if I was alone in my car, I would say SOMETHING. I would curse, or gasp, or lose my bowels... but there would definitely be a much more interesting audio track.
 
2013-05-01 12:14:15 AM

TheOtherMisterP: I don't understand why the audio is so quiet. The mic is clearly capable of picking up voices. If I saw that, even if I was alone in my car, I would say SOMETHING. I would curse, or gasp, or lose my bowels... but there would definitely be a much more interesting audio track.


I'd be like,  HO  LEE  F*CK ! Dialing 911 at the same time.
 
2013-05-01 12:14:31 AM
THANKS OBAMA
 
2013-05-01 12:16:15 AM
Heard in the cockpit voice recorder........I am goin down down down......Im' goin down down down........

Bruce Springsteen for the  win!

Never to early!
 
2013-05-01 12:17:06 AM
Which Warlord/CIA agent is pissed his shipment of heroin got destroyed?
 
HBK
2013-05-01 12:19:35 AM

WizardofToast: One of my greatest fears is riding a plane that just drops out of the sky mid-flight. Now I'm going to hate every take off unless all the fat people are kept in the center seats.

/I know fat people can't bring down a plane
//But ya never know


Here's a story for you, and something that maybe the pilot-folk here on fark can shed some light on.

I was sleeping on a Continental flight from Little Rock to Houston. I woke up and my stomach was in my chest, like when you're on one of those tower of terror or dungeon drop rides at an amusement park. The plane felt like it was just dropping out of the sky. Everyone started cursing and screaming.

It felt like we were falling for 30 seconds, but I'm sure it was probably less than 10 seconds. The plane leveled out.  Fifteen minutes the stewardess comes on the intercom and says "Sorry about the turbulence. We flew through some jetwash."

I muttered to myself "That's how Goose died." and the guy next asked me frantically "Who's Goose? is that a friend of yours?" He hadn't seen the movie.
 So fark pilot folks my question is this- I thought jet wash dissipates pretty rapidly. So how close were we to another jet for jetwash to cause what happened? And did the jetwash cause the engines to stall, or was a rapid descent done to avoid a stall?
 
2013-05-01 12:21:43 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: scubamage: at least they got to go out doing something they loved

So did you know who.


Michael Hutchence?
 
2013-05-01 12:25:15 AM

DeadPuppySociety: Quantum Apostrophe: scubamage: at least they got to go out doing something they loved

So did you know who.

Michael Hutchence?


David Carradine?
 
2013-05-01 12:28:18 AM

RatOmeter: Lsherm: Charlie Freak: Wow, that's got to be a cargo shift.

Yeah, cargo planes don't go vertical after liftoff on purpose.

Yeah.  I thought at first, pilot should have pitched down hard as soon as the looming stall was apparent.  Then I kept watching and thought, s/he was probably full on it but there was no way to correct a fatal CG offset.


You can hear the engines screaming because they were on takeoff, but once the weight shifted the pilot only had the option of trying to flatten it out and attempt a bad takeoff, but there was too much weight at the back.

It didn't matter what the pilot did at that point - all the weight was at the back of the plane.  Only the thrust of the engines kept it from falling back down cartoon style.  Instead it climbed almost vertical and twisted down after a stall.  Pretty much what you'd expect with broken cargo.
 
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