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2013-04-30 07:42:06 PM
...holy crap
 
2013-04-30 07:47:13 PM
Damn, that is a really bad stall.
 
2013-04-30 07:52:59 PM
Wow, that's got to be a cargo shift.
 
2013-04-30 07:54:56 PM
but it didn't stop in mid air
 
2013-04-30 07:57:11 PM

Charlie Freak: Wow, that's got to be a cargo shift.


Early word is that they were carrying 5 armored vehicles and something came loose.
 
2013-04-30 07:59:53 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Charlie Freak: Wow, that's got to be a cargo shift.

Early word is that they were carrying 5 armored vehicles and something came loose.


That would match the video...  I used to do crash investigations, this isn't going to be pretty.
 
2013-04-30 08:04:48 PM

remus: this isn't going to be pretty.


opposed to what?
 
2013-04-30 08:07:06 PM
Those armored vehicles are heavy.

It's just sad that the family of those people is going to see that video.
 
2013-04-30 08:10:20 PM
I hate hearing the engines. Their intensity matches the fight that was going on in the cockpit.
 
2013-04-30 08:17:43 PM

Charlie Freak: Wow, that's got to be a cargo shift.


My thought as well. The gear is still down, which suggests they were already far too busy to worry about putting the gear up.
 
2013-04-30 08:18:03 PM

SpikeStrip: remus: this isn't going to be pretty.

opposed to what?


I worked one where the pilot ejected and only got a few scratches on his arm from the sage brush while he was walking out to the nearest road.

I worked another where the co-pilot was beheaded by a bird coming thru the canopy.

The worst, hands down, was the A-10 Lt Col who ejected in a full bank horizontal to the ground; his seat worked perfectly right until it hit the Oak tree.  It was worse than the decapitated guy because the lab reeked for weeks.

// have actually had a conversation, while eating lunch, that included the words "what's that?  I think it's a piece of tongue..."
// continued eating lunch...
 
2013-04-30 08:20:43 PM

remus: I worked another where the co-pilot was beheaded by a bird coming thru the canopy.


I heard of an incident in the 70s, not sure what plane or exact location, but someone was working on a plane in a hanger, when the ejection seat went off...
 
2013-04-30 08:25:31 PM

remus: SpikeStrip: remus: this isn't going to be pretty.

opposed to what?

// have actually had a conversation, while eating lunch, that included the words "what's that?  I think it's a piece of tongue..."
// continued eating lunch...


what happened next?
 
2013-04-30 08:26:31 PM

WhyteRaven74: remus: I worked another where the co-pilot was beheaded by a bird coming thru the canopy.

I heard of an incident in the 70s, not sure what plane or exact location, but someone was working on a plane in a hanger, when the ejection seat went off...


Yes, in Germany.  F-4 Phantom.  Martin Baker Mark III seat.  The crew chief wanted to leave this mortal coil, so he did it on purpose.
 
2013-04-30 08:27:35 PM
For those interested, here is the preliminary reports from aviation-safety

http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20130429-0">http:/ /aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20130429-0

It seems it was indeed a cargo shift that happened immediately after takeoff, and as those above me noticed, they didnt even get the gears up.

The question is if the loadmaster had the cargo improperly secured, or if it was a due to a malfunction of the tiedown equipment. Regardless the USAF is going to be reeling from this one for a while.
 
2013-04-30 08:27:40 PM

SpikeStrip: remus: SpikeStrip: remus: this isn't going to be pretty.

opposed to what?

// have actually had a conversation, while eating lunch, that included the words "what's that?  I think it's a piece of tongue..."
// continued eating lunch...

what happened next?


We dug it out and sent it to the lab.  What else do you do with some tongue?  We don't normally get the parts, so it was a little exciting.
 
2013-04-30 08:29:45 PM

WhyteRaven74: remus: I worked another where the co-pilot was beheaded by a bird coming thru the canopy.

I heard of an incident in the 70s, not sure what plane or exact location, but someone was working on a plane in a hanger, when the ejection seat went off...


I was an instructor in the Air Training Corps here in the UK years ago. A bunch of cadets were on a week camp at a RAF airbase and were being shown round a hangar including a Tornado being serviced, with chances to sit in the seats etc. After they left a mechanic notices one of the pins from the ejector seat was missing....
He told the FS, the FS told the officer, the officer told the base commander etc. It went up to the top of the RAF and then back down the chain of command of the ATC, in about half an hour. Every cadet was confined to quarters, uniformed ATC staff were on the carpet, civilian staff were almost as confined to quarters as the cadets. When the guilty cadet confessed his parents got a call saying "Your son is no longer in the Air Cadets. You have to collect him now". The atmosphere lasted the rest of the week and affected the next few weeks groups as well.

They do not mess around with ejector seats.
 
2013-04-30 08:36:57 PM

remus: SpikeStrip: remus: SpikeStrip: remus: this isn't going to be pretty.

opposed to what?

// have actually had a conversation, while eating lunch, that included the words "what's that?  I think it's a piece of tongue..."
// continued eating lunch...

what happened next?

We dug it out and sent it to the lab.  What else do you do with some tongue?  We don't normally get the parts, so it was a little exciting.


no, what happened after you continued eating lunch, what with the ellipsis and all
 
2013-04-30 08:47:28 PM

Charlie Freak: Wow, that's got to be a cargo shift.


Yeah, cargo planes don't go vertical after liftoff on purpose.
 
2013-04-30 08:48:23 PM

saladan0: Regardless the USAF is going to be reeling from this one for a while.


Private company - not USAF.  In the article.
 
2013-04-30 08:48:57 PM

saladan0: For those interested, here is the preliminary reports from aviation-safety

http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20130429-0">http:/ /aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20130429-0

It seems it was indeed a cargo shift that happened immediately after takeoff, and as those above me noticed, they didnt even get the gears up.

The question is if the loadmaster had the cargo improperly secured, or if it was a due to a malfunction of the tiedown equipment. Regardless the USAF is going to be reeling from this one for a while.


But it was a contractor plane, not USAF.  Would Air Force guys be loading and checking a contractor plane?
 
2013-04-30 08:49:43 PM

SpikeStrip: remus: SpikeStrip: remus: SpikeStrip: remus: this isn't going to be pretty.

opposed to what?

// have actually had a conversation, while eating lunch, that included the words "what's that?  I think it's a piece of tongue..."
// continued eating lunch...

what happened next?

We dug it out and sent it to the lab.  What else do you do with some tongue?  We don't normally get the parts, so it was a little exciting.

no, what happened after you continued eating lunch, what with the ellipsis and all


You had an ellipsis for lunch?
 
2013-04-30 08:51:12 PM

I_Am_Weasel: SpikeStrip: remus: SpikeStrip: remus: SpikeStrip: remus: this isn't going to be pretty.

opposed to what?

// have actually had a conversation, while eating lunch, that included the words "what's that?  I think it's a piece of tongue..."
// continued eating lunch...

what happened next?

We dug it out and sent it to the lab.  What else do you do with some tongue?  We don't normally get the parts, so it was a little exciting.

no, what happened after you continued eating lunch, what with the ellipsis and all

You had an ellipsis for lunch?


It's the thing, lately.  I had a couple quote marks and a tilde, myself.
 
2013-04-30 08:57:32 PM

JohnAnnArbor: I_Am_Weasel: SpikeStrip: remus: SpikeStrip: remus: SpikeStrip: remus: this isn't going to be pretty.

opposed to what?

// have actually had a conversation, while eating lunch, that included the words "what's that?  I think it's a piece of tongue..."
// continued eating lunch...

what happened next?

We dug it out and sent it to the lab.  What else do you do with some tongue?  We don't normally get the parts, so it was a little exciting.

no, what happened after you continued eating lunch, what with the ellipsis and all

You had an ellipsis for lunch?

It's the thing, lately.  I had a couple quote marks and a tilde, myself.


we're not pac man, here. i wanna know what remus did after he continued eating lunch
 
2013-04-30 08:58:22 PM
JohnAnnArbor:

But it was a contractor plane, not USAF.  Would Air Force guys be loading and checking a contractor plane?

If it was on a USAF base, probably.
 
2013-04-30 09:09:11 PM

JohnAnnArbor: I_Am_Weasel: SpikeStrip: remus: SpikeStrip: remus: SpikeStrip: remus: this isn't going to be pretty.

opposed to what?

// have actually had a conversation, while eating lunch, that included the words "what's that?  I think it's a piece of tongue..."
// continued eating lunch...

what happened next?

We dug it out and sent it to the lab.  What else do you do with some tongue?  We don't normally get the parts, so it was a little exciting.

no, what happened after you continued eating lunch, what with the ellipsis and all

You had an ellipsis for lunch?

It's the thing, lately.  I had a couple quote marks and a tilde, myself.


Sometimes I like to sit down for a nice movie with a bowl full of exclamation points.
 
2013-04-30 09:16:11 PM
I got crazy with my girlfriend one time while eating some ellipses. I was't being careful so it led to a pregnant pause.
 
2013-04-30 09:23:05 PM

Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: I got crazy with my girlfriend one time while eating some ellipses. I was't being careful so it led to a pregnant pause.


This underscores why you must be careful.
 
2013-04-30 09:23:08 PM

remus: Yes, in Germany. F-4 Phantom. Martin Baker Mark III seat. The crew chief wanted to leave this mortal coil, so he did it on purpose.


I hadn't heard the last part before, only knew it was quite a while ago.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-04-30 09:28:06 PM
It looked like he almost had it under control when the ground got in the way. That's why you should build your airport at the edge of a cliff. Of course then you get complaints about landing.
 
2013-04-30 09:29:48 PM
This is a graphic video and an expletive is used at about the 1:15 mark.

...just the one?
 
2013-04-30 09:34:17 PM

remus: SpikeStrip: remus: this isn't going to be pretty.

opposed to what?

I worked one where the pilot ejected and only got a few scratches on his arm from the sage brush while he was walking out to the nearest road.

I worked another where the co-pilot was beheaded by a bird coming thru the canopy.

The worst, hands down, was the A-10 Lt Col who ejected in a full bank horizontal to the ground; his seat worked perfectly right until it hit the Oak tree.  It was worse than the decapitated guy because the lab reeked for weeks.

// have actually had a conversation, while eating lunch, that included the words "what's that?  I think it's a piece of tongue..."
// continued eating lunch...


you're a real life TV character. you must get all the women.
 
2013-04-30 09:34:40 PM
Seeing a plane do something like that when you're on the ground near it has got to be one of the most pants-crapping moments a person can have (aside from being on the plane I guess). Wichita has a couple of areas near Mid Continent and McConnell where landing planes can come in fairly low over roads, and anytime you're driving and feel that shadow pass it kind of gives you chills.
 
2013-04-30 09:35:39 PM
That's always been my biggest fear, to be on a plane that just stalls and drops from the sky lite a bag of bricks.

BTW, Denzel Washington's movie "Flight" is worth seeing for two reasons: the special effects of him landing that plane, and seeing Nadine Velazquez naked. Damn that woman is hot!
 
2013-04-30 09:36:52 PM

remus: SpikeStrip: remus: this isn't going to be pretty.

opposed to what?

I worked one where the pilot ejected and only got a few scratches on his arm from the sage brush while he was walking out to the nearest road.



Reminds me of a story I heard while visiting my brother down in Del Rio,Texas, where he was an instructor pilot at the time.  They had a jet in the unit out on a training mission, when the jet started to come apart and enter a rapid uncontrolled roll.  Instructor gave the instruction to eject, and they did safely (which apparently shocked the wingman, given their roll rate).

But then they landed.  In the middle of a herd of angry west Texas steer.  They ended up climbing what passed for a tree in that part of Texas -- a scrawny thing full of thorns -- and ended up sustaining greater injuries from the tree while evading the bovines than they did in the ejection.  Everyone in the unit thought this was hilariously funny.
 
2013-04-30 09:37:56 PM

SpikeStrip: remus: this isn't going to be pretty.

opposed to what?


an unmanned blimp carrying a payload of fresh wild flowers?
 
2013-04-30 09:38:31 PM
In the pre-video days, like 1865. They just had to say it with words when there was a bad accident.

"The Indianapolis Journal reports the following horrible accident, by which a Mrs. KRONAN lost her life: She was killed in crossing the railroad track on Illinois Street. At the time Mrs. KRONAN was attempting to cross, the Terre Haute train was coming in, while the switch engine of the I. & C. road was taking up seven or eight freight cars to the Terre Haute Depot. The woman attempted to get out of the way of the Terre Haute train, and in doing so was unfortunate enough to get in the way of the freight train. She was thrown upon the track, and two or three cars passed directly over her head, mangling it in a most fearful manner; not a feature of her face was left, and identification was impossible except by her dress. Her brains were scattered about, and even her tongue dislocated from her head, and left by the side of the rail. "
 
2013-04-30 09:41:26 PM

I_Am_Weasel: Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: I got crazy with my girlfriend one time while eating some ellipses. I was't being careful so it led to a pregnant pause.

This underscores why you must be careful.


Did you have to tell your parens?
 
2013-04-30 09:41:40 PM

I_Am_Weasel: Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: I got crazy with my girlfriend one time while eating some ellipses. I was't being careful so it led to a pregnant pause.

This underscores why you must be careful.


Some people just don't understand the aste-risks.
 
2013-04-30 09:41:55 PM

saladan0: For those interested, here is the preliminary reports from aviation-safety

http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20130429-0">http:/ /aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20130429-0

It seems it was indeed a cargo shift that happened immediately after takeoff, and as those above me noticed, they didnt even get the gears up.

The question is if the loadmaster had the cargo improperly secured, or if it was a due to a malfunction of the tiedown equipment. Regardless the USAF is going to be reeling from this one for a while.


I've known a number of loadmasters.  They've all been heavily anal retentive sticklers to rules in every aspect of their lives.

If I had to bet I'd put my money on mechanical failure.
 
2013-04-30 09:43:18 PM
D A Y - U M !

/Not cool peeps... not cool.
 
2013-04-30 09:44:16 PM
Those are some nasty looking clouds in the background.....any chance wind shear could have played a role?
 
2013-04-30 09:44:51 PM
good lord that's creepy
 
2013-04-30 09:45:41 PM

Warthog: But then they landed.  In the middle of a herd of angry west Texas steer.  They ended up climbing what passed for a tree in that part of Texas -- a scrawny thing full of thorns -- and ended up sustaining greater injuries from the tree while evading the bovines than they did in the ejection.  Everyone in the unit thought this was hilariously funny.


I've always wondered about these stories. The line I was told was that ejection seats generally compress your spine so badly in the attempt to get you TFO of the way that walking afterwards is pretty much impossible.

The vid is just gnarly. Thanks for the Farkers who explained cargo shift, because my family has been in the aerospace business long enough that I know there's not much mechanical that can cause that.
 
2013-04-30 09:45:48 PM

LessO2: Those are some nasty looking clouds in the background.....any chance wind shear could have played a role?


typically you take off into the wind, also I find it highly unlikely that all 4 engines suddenly said "fek it"
 
2013-04-30 09:48:40 PM

Flint Ironstag: WhyteRaven74: remus: I worked another where the co-pilot was beheaded by a bird coming thru the canopy.

I heard of an incident in the 70s, not sure what plane or exact location, but someone was working on a plane in a hanger, when the ejection seat went off...

I was an instructor in the Air Training Corps here in the UK years ago. A bunch of cadets were on a week camp at a RAF airbase and were being shown round a hangar including a Tornado being serviced, with chances to sit in the seats etc. After they left a mechanic notices one of the pins from the ejector seat was missing....
He told the FS, the FS told the officer, the officer told the base commander etc. It went up to the top of the RAF and then back down the chain of command of the ATC, in about half an hour. Every cadet was confined to quarters, uniformed ATC staff were on the carpet, civilian staff were almost as confined to quarters as the cadets. When the guilty cadet confessed his parents got a call saying "Your son is no longer in the Air Cadets. You have to collect him now". The atmosphere lasted the rest of the week and affected the next few weeks groups as well.

They do not mess around with ejector seats.




Always bugged me getting in an out of F-16s.

/weapons
 
2013-04-30 09:49:19 PM

saladan0: For those interested, here is the preliminary reports from aviation-safety

http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20130429-0">http:/ /aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20130429-0



FTL "According to eyewitness reports, the airplane attained a very steep nose-up attitude"

biatch
 
2013-04-30 09:49:24 PM

jayhawk88: Seeing a plane do something like that when you're on the ground near it has got to be one of the most pants-crapping moments a person can have (aside from being on the plane I guess). Wichita has a couple of areas near Mid Continent and McConnell where landing planes can come in fairly low over roads, and anytime you're driving and feel that shadow pass it kind of gives you chills.


I have dreams of planes (and other large objects) falling out of the sky on a semi-regular basis.
 
2013-04-30 09:50:10 PM
Well, I think it's safe to rule out fuel starvation...
 
2013-04-30 09:51:07 PM
Socialism fails again.
 
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