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(Politico)   VA Gov McDonnell: "Look, Virginia has no law that says donations to family members of elected officials is illegal." FBI: "Go on..." VA Commonwealth Attorney Cuccinelli: "Uh... I'll... I'll just be outside if you need me"   (politico.com) divider line 79
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2013-04-30 03:02:32 PM
There's always a chance of the mirror image of Teapot Dome's outcome, where Doheny was acquitted of giving the bribe that Fall was convicted of receiving.
 
2013-04-30 03:14:12 PM
Proceed, Governor.
 
2013-04-30 04:11:24 PM
There clearly needs to be a probe into the Governor...


www.guardianexpressla.com
 
2013-04-30 04:15:15 PM
Yeah my Governor is scumbag, as is his AG, who will probably be the next Governor, and is even crazier than the current Governor.

/Virginian
 
2013-04-30 04:15:35 PM
b buh but Jesse Jackson Jr!
 
2013-04-30 04:19:48 PM
If this also farks up cucinelli's chance at becoming governor, I will be EXTRA HAPPY.

/Fark this guy.
 
2013-04-30 04:19:51 PM
Can we please somehow merge Virginia, Arizona, and Florida so we can have all our crazy in one place?
 
2013-04-30 04:19:57 PM
It also shows McDonnell receiving personal gifts totaling $7,382 from the company in 2012.

WHY is this legal?
 
2013-04-30 04:21:29 PM

Walker: Yeah my Governor is scumbag, as is his AG, who will probably be the next Governor, and is even crazier than the current Governor.

/Virginian


...and Va. Dems can't get someone with a modicum of decency that'll be the Harry Reid to the Va. GOP's Sharon Angle? Seriously?
 
2013-04-30 04:23:35 PM
Good. Toss that piece of shiat in jail and "forget" where you put the key.

/who am I kidding? They won't do shiat
 
2013-04-30 04:25:24 PM
Well that's escalating quickly.
 
2013-04-30 04:26:26 PM
After reading the article, I feel a need to make a diagram showing who's who and who's filing claims against whom.

These guys are in VA.  Where do they think they are, LA??
 
2013-04-30 04:27:24 PM

Satanic_Hamster: It also shows McDonnell receiving personal gifts totaling $7,382 from the company in 2012.

WHY is this legal?


Why not, as long as they're declared for taxes.  You don't forfeit all your rights when you get elected, you know.  Just much of your right to privacy and your protection from slander and libel.  If it's public, at least everyone knows there might be an interest.
 
2013-04-30 04:29:56 PM

Rwa2play: ...and Va. Dems can't get someone with a modicum of decency that'll be the Harry Reid to the Va. GOP's Sharon Angle? Seriously?


This is the best the VA Democrats could cough up.
 
2013-04-30 04:31:02 PM
He's right, VA is a disclosure-only state. He can take any gifts he wants, he just has to publicly disclose them so the citizens can pass judgement through the ballot box. Which is why non-disclosure should carry a PMITA prison sentence with no possibility of lube.
 
2013-04-30 04:33:21 PM

Galloping Galoshes: Satanic_Hamster: It also shows McDonnell receiving personal gifts totaling $7,382 from the company in 2012.

WHY is this legal?

Why not, as long as they're declared for taxes.  You don't forfeit all your rights when you get elected, you know.  Just much of your right to privacy and your protection from slander and libel.  If it's public, at least everyone knows there might be an interest.


Did you actually ask why a politician shouldn't be allowed to get bribes from a company? Oh well, as long as he's honest about getting paid off, that's the important thing, right?

/we are doomed. DOOMED! doom... doom... doom... doom
 
2013-04-30 04:35:11 PM

abb3w: Rwa2play: ...and Va. Dems can't get someone with a modicum of decency that'll be the Harry Reid to the Va. GOP's Sharon Angle? Seriously?

This is the best the VA Democrats could cough up.


UGH~! WTF Virginia?  You couldn't even come up with a Milquetoast candidate that would've won in a laugher?! Seriously?!
 
2013-04-30 04:37:48 PM

Galloping Galoshes: Satanic_Hamster: It also shows McDonnell receiving personal gifts totaling $7,382 from the company in 2012.

WHY is this legal?

Why not, as long as they're declared for taxes.  You don't forfeit all your rights when you get elected, you know.  Just much of your right to privacy and your protection from slander and libel.  If it's public, at least everyone knows there might be an interest.


...but if we don't act on it then what's the point of making it public?

It must be good to be a member of our corrupt political caste. Get thousands of dollars in "gifts" from companies (remember that this is just the gifts from one company we're talking about here) and apparently that's just not forfeiting your rights when you get elected - and not bribery/influence peddling. Because god knows, every company gives out thousands of dollars in gifts to everyone all the time. I'm sure it's pure coincidence that he happens to be the governor, and it's only a few thousand dollars so it couldn't possibly influence him at all.

When I get thousands of dollars of gifts from companies - which totally happens all the time since they give away those kinds of gifts to people based on nothing to do with their influence over the legislative process - it does nothing to influence how I act towards them.
 
2013-04-30 04:38:06 PM

Rwa2play: abb3w: Rwa2play: ...and Va. Dems can't get someone with a modicum of decency that'll be the Harry Reid to the Va. GOP's Sharon Angle? Seriously?

This is the best the VA Democrats could cough up.

UGH~! WTF Virginia?  You couldn't even come up with a Milquetoast candidate that would've won in a laugher?! Seriously?!


To be fair, the Democratic candidates in the NYC mayor's race look like different versions of the poo-poo platter.  If Weiner were to run, he'd win.
 
2013-04-30 04:38:40 PM

Walker: Yeah my Governor is scumbag, as is his AG, who will probably be the next Governor, and is even crazier than the current Governor.

/Virginian


That is the thing that's scary.

Cuccinelli is the guy that went after a UVa professor for his climate research and who distributed a memo to state colleges reminding them that no, it's OK to discriminate aganist gay students/employees because it's not a covered class.
 
2013-04-30 04:38:56 PM

Satanic_Hamster: It also shows McDonnell receiving personal gifts totaling $7,382 from the company in 2012.

WHY is this legal?


People who write laws often like getting freebies.
 
2013-04-30 04:42:04 PM
That almost sounds interesting enough to get me to click on a Politico link.

media.salon.com

Gah! I said *almost*, Mike. Go away!
 
2013-04-30 04:42:30 PM

Galloping Galoshes: Satanic_Hamster: It also shows McDonnell receiving personal gifts totaling $7,382 from the company in 2012.

WHY is this legal?

Why not, as long as they're declared for taxes.  You don't forfeit all your rights when you get elected, you know.  Just much of your right to privacy and your protection from slander and libel.  If it's public, at least everyone knows there might be an interest.


If I accept even a trivial gift from an attorney who practices before me, both the attorney and I are in a world of pain.
 
2013-04-30 04:44:22 PM

Satanic_Hamster: It also shows McDonnell receiving personal gifts totaling $7,382 from the company in 2012.

WHY is this legal?


That's not including the week he gave the McDonell family at his beach house,  OR the Ferarri he loaned them to make the road trip there and back.  It's utterly appaling that this is going on, not so much the corruption itself, but the utter venality of it, Va is a big time state and its leaders are being bought for chump change by the moden equivalent of a snake-oil salesman
 
2013-04-30 04:48:25 PM

Magorn: Satanic_Hamster: It also shows McDonnell receiving personal gifts totaling $7,382 from the company in 2012.

WHY is this legal?

That's not including the week he gave the McDonell family at his beach house,  OR the Ferarri he loaned them to make the road trip there and back.  It's utterly appaling that this is going on, not so much the corruption itself, but the utter venality of it, Va is a big time state and its leaders are being bought for chump change by the moden equivalent of a snake-oil salesman


The most distressing part is that the voters don't care. Or, if they do, that knowledge doesn't seem to modify their decision-making in any way.
 
2013-04-30 04:55:05 PM
As a Virginian, I can proudly say I didn't vote McDonnell or that twatwaffle AG Cooch.
 
2013-04-30 04:55:24 PM

qorkfiend: The most distressing part is that the voters don't care. Or, if they do, that knowledge doesn't seem to modify their decision-making in any way.


Agreed.
 
2013-04-30 04:56:54 PM

Satanic_Hamster: It also shows McDonnell receiving personal gifts totaling $7,382 from the company in 2012.

WHY is this legal?


Because otherwise no one would run for office? Seriously, no one runs for office anymore to do any kind of good for the nation or their state, it's all for the power and the perks. Those jackholes are more corrupt than the RIAA/MPAA and all the entertainment lawyers in LA combined.
 
2013-04-30 04:58:50 PM

BMulligan: If I accept even a trivial gift from an attorney who practices before me, both the attorney and I are in a world of pain.


I had you farkied as "attorney". Are you actually a judge?
 
2013-04-30 05:01:44 PM

Dingleberry Dickwad: Because otherwise no one would run for office? Seriously, no one runs for office anymore to do any kind of good for the nation or their state, it's all for the power and the perks.


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Ms. Warren could have tons more money and power in private business. As it is, what power she should have is pretty limited by Senate Republicans.
 
2013-04-30 05:03:51 PM
I am shocked, shocked that the chief executive of a nutritional supplements manufacturer would be ethically challenged.
 
2013-04-30 05:05:23 PM
That's awesome. As a network specialist at a state university medical school, every year I have to fill out a 3 page conflict of interest document that asks if me or any member of my family has financially benefited from the school in any way. Which I never do of course so I basically just go answer "No/No/No/No...shiat they changed the wording on this one...Yes/No/No/No."

But CEO's giving tends of thousands of dollars to governors wives? Nah we don't need to know about that!
 
2013-04-30 05:06:47 PM
www.biography.com

Uhh that doesn't include SCOTUS judges does it?

Clarence Thomas wife a high paid conservative "lobbyist" and "consultant" to influence conservative issues that are often before the court.
 
2013-04-30 05:11:47 PM

Satanic_Hamster: It also shows McDonnell receiving personal gifts totaling $7,382 from the company in 2012.

WHY is this legal?


For the same reason Rick Scott could sign all his businesses over to his wife before he took office in Florida, and there is now no conflict of interest, because he doesn't own those companies any more!
 
2013-04-30 05:13:47 PM

Corvus: Clarence Thomas wife a high paid conservative "lobbyist" and "consultant" to influence conservative issues that are often before the court.


IOKIYAR
 
2013-04-30 05:17:30 PM

ox45tallboy: BMulligan: If I accept even a trivial gift from an attorney who practices before me, both the attorney and I are in a world of pain.

I had you farkied as "attorney". Are you actually a judge?


Yeah, for a tribal court. I don't talk about it much because it might seem as though I'm appealing to my own authority any time I argue a point related to my position, but in this instance it seemed relevant. One of the attorneys who appears before me regularly is the daughter of a professor of law whose specialty is Indian law, and he recently wrote a book that covers issues that come up regularly in my court. The attorney mentioned that she would be happy to lend me a copy but, of course, she could not give me one.
 
2013-04-30 05:27:56 PM

abb3w: There's always a chance of the mirror image of Teapot Dome's outcome, where Doheny was acquitted of giving the bribe that Fall was convicted of receiving.


+100 for you for knowing your history.
 
2013-04-30 05:31:23 PM
Considering how lax campaign finance laws seem these days wouldn't you have to work pretty hard to break the rules?
 
2013-04-30 05:31:26 PM
Cuccinelli sold 1,500 shares of Star Scientific stock at near-record prices for the stock last summer at a profit of $7,000. He also noted Cuccinelli's free use of Williams' Smith Mountain Lake vacation lodge for a summer 2012 vacation worth $3,000 and another stay there for Thanksgiving 2010 complete with a catered holiday dinner worth $1,500, none of which Cuccinelli disclosed until last week.


Cooch is farked,
 
2013-04-30 05:33:08 PM

BMulligan: Yeah, for a tribal court. I don't talk about it much because it might seem as though I'm appealing to my own authority any time I argue a point related to my position, but in this instance it seemed relevant. One of the attorneys who appears before me regularly is the daughter of a professor of law whose specialty is Indian law, and he recently wrote a book that covers issues that come up regularly in my court. The attorney mentioned that she would be happy to lend me a copy but, of course, she could not give me one.


In many cases, people get their law degree and pass the bar before going into politics. According to Wiki, Gov. MsDonnell got his J.D. from Regents University, a.k.a. Christian Broadcasting University in 1989, and served as Attorney General.

I'm not really in favor of elected judges, but if we have them, isn't it right to hold an elected official (such as the governor), especially one who is a member of the Bar, to the same standard?

Could he theoretically face punishment through the Bar as Bill Clinton did following his impeachment proceedings?
 
2013-04-30 05:33:18 PM

Paul Baumer: Cuccinelli sold 1,500 shares of Star Scientific stock at near-record prices for the stock last summer at a profit of $7,000. He also noted Cuccinelli's free use of Williams' Smith Mountain Lake vacation lodge for a summer 2012 vacation worth $3,000 and another stay there for Thanksgiving 2010 complete with a catered holiday dinner worth $1,500, none of which Cuccinelli disclosed until last week.


Cooch is farked,


One can only hope.  Would hate to see what Virginia would look like if that nutcase became Governor.
 
2013-04-30 05:35:38 PM

Paul Baumer: Cuccinelli sold 1,500 shares of Star Scientific stock at near-record prices for the stock last summer at a profit of $7,000. He also noted Cuccinelli's free use of Williams' Smith Mountain Lake vacation lodge for a summer 2012 vacation worth $3,000 and another stay there for Thanksgiving 2010 complete with a catered holiday dinner worth $1,500, none of which Cuccinelli disclosed until last week.


Cooch is farked,


mattsko.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-04-30 05:39:50 PM

ox45tallboy: According to Wiki, Gov. MsDonnell got his J.D. from Regents University, a.k.a. Christian Broadcasting University in 1989, and served as Attorney General.


Oh, Lordy. Regents University is a goddamn millstone around the neck of the body politic.
 
2013-04-30 05:53:36 PM
I have no great love for McDonnell, but it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if the dramatic escalation we're seeing in this scandal is due in very large part to powerful right-wing interests who are furious over his support of the recent transportation bill and are trying to cause him real pain as payback.
 
2013-04-30 05:54:22 PM

ox45tallboy: BMulligan: Yeah, for a tribal court. I don't talk about it much because it might seem as though I'm appealing to my own authority any time I argue a point related to my position, but in this instance it seemed relevant. One of the attorneys who appears before me regularly is the daughter of a professor of law whose specialty is Indian law, and he recently wrote a book that covers issues that come up regularly in my court. The attorney mentioned that she would be happy to lend me a copy but, of course, she could not give me one.

In many cases, people get their law degree and pass the bar before going into politics. According to Wiki, Gov. MsDonnell got his J.D. from Regents University, a.k.a. Christian Broadcasting University in 1989, and served as Attorney General.

I'm not really in favor of elected judges, but if we have them, isn't it right to hold an elected official (such as the governor), especially one who is a member of the Bar, to the same standard?

Could he theoretically face punishment through the Bar as Bill Clinton did following his impeachment proceedings?


I would be in favor of holding elected officials to a similar standard, but we ought to recognize that the universe of people who might want to influence a judge is limited to the parties who appear in that judge's court and their counsel, while the comparable universe for an elected official consists of everyone who resides in that jurisdiction. If I'm elected to the state legislature, should I be foreclosed from accepting a fruitcake from the old lady who lives at the end of my block, just because she may one day have an interest on which I must weigh in? It's a big, sloppy gray area - and there are plenty of people willing to exploit that fact.

As for whether the state bar of Virginia may have some recourse, that's certainly possible. Politically speaking, though, it seems unlikely that the bar would press the point unless the governor was already mortally wounded, politically speaking. As far as that goes, I'm reminded of the first day's lecture in my professional responsibility class. The professor announced, "Never, ever forget what this class is all about" - and he proceeded to draw a giant dollar sign on the blackboard.
 
2013-04-30 06:18:01 PM

BMulligan: I would be in favor of holding elected officials to a similar standard, but we ought to recognize that the universe of people who might want to influence a judge is limited to the parties who appear in that judge's court and their counsel, while the comparable universe for an elected official consists of everyone who resides in that jurisdiction. If I'm elected to the state legislature, should I be foreclosed from accepting a fruitcake from the old lady who lives at the end of my block, just because she may one day have an interest on which I must weigh in? It's a big, sloppy gray area - and there are plenty of people willing to exploit that fact.


I would be more than happy to make that grey area a very black and white one... No gifts more expensive than a $20 fruitcake while you serve as an elected official. And you're limited to one of those a month.

That grey area exists only because those writing the laws WANT it to.
 
2013-04-30 06:22:40 PM

MrEricSir: Can we please somehow merge Virginia, Arizona, and Florida so we can have all our crazy in one place?


Only if Texas gets it's own place. We out crazy them all.
 
2013-04-30 06:25:01 PM

Corvus: [www.biography.com image 402x402]

Uhh that doesn't include SCOTUS judges does it?

Clarence Thomas wife a high paid conservative "lobbyist" and "consultant" to influence conservative issues that are often before the court.


That sounds like the dumbest place ever for the right wing to spend their graft money.
 
2013-04-30 06:35:11 PM

mongbiohazard: BMulligan: I would be in favor of holding elected officials to a similar standard, but we ought to recognize that the universe of people who might want to influence a judge is limited to the parties who appear in that judge's court and their counsel, while the comparable universe for an elected official consists of everyone who resides in that jurisdiction. If I'm elected to the state legislature, should I be foreclosed from accepting a fruitcake from the old lady who lives at the end of my block, just because she may one day have an interest on which I must weigh in? It's a big, sloppy gray area - and there are plenty of people willing to exploit that fact.

I would be more than happy to make that grey area a very black and white one... No gifts more expensive than a $20 fruitcake while you serve as an elected official. And you're limited to one of those a month.

That grey area exists only because those writing the laws WANT it to.


Okay, so what about my second cousin? Does it matter if we spent summers together when we were children? If she gives me a $25 Starbucks card, will we do hard time?
 
2013-04-30 06:45:41 PM

mongbiohazard: I would be more than happy to make that grey area a very black and white one... No gifts more expensive than a $20 fruitcake while you serve as an elected official. And you're limited to one of those a month.

That grey area exists only because those writing the laws WANT it to.


It's also kind of unenforceable. What would a Christmas party be like? Even if the official in question doesn't get any gifts, who paid for dinner / drinks?
 
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