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2013-04-30 11:22:02 AM
So...Blackberry is releasing a tablet?
 
2013-04-30 11:33:24 AM

bdub77: So...Blackberry is releasing a tablet?


Working on it. Expected release date is five years away.
 
2013-04-30 11:40:44 AM

Bill_Wick's_Friend: bdub77: So...Blackberry is releasing a tablet?

Working on it. Expected release date is five years away.


and we are done

but seriously
does he own a tablet? does he use it ever?

I read some ebook in bed and then watched the first two episodes of Buffy.
I could not have done that without a tablet.

or not as easily ...
so why would I get rid of an AWESOME tool, to replace it with a useless version?
 
2013-04-30 11:58:36 AM
I'm willing to applaud bold statements like that if he can offer up some plausible alternative--Google Glass maybe or some kind of wearable thing, but it's awful hard to stomach such arrogant blather from a company who can barely even play catch-up to devices competitors released years ago.
 
2013-04-30 11:59:07 AM
Mmmyeah.

He works for Blackberry. I'd say he doesn't know what he's talking about.
 
2013-04-30 12:08:45 PM

Cluckity: I'm willing to applaud bold statements like that if he can offer up some plausible alternative--Google Glass maybe or some kind of wearable thing, but it's awful hard to stomach such arrogant blather from a company who can barely even play catch-up to devices competitors released years ago.


Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Maybe with flexible displays, then your phone + a flexible display would remove any need for a separate tablet. But this just sounds like "we can't make a good product in this line, so we'll pretend it's a dying field".
 
2013-04-30 12:09:54 PM
I think we'll see large phones (or *cringe* phablets) and small tablets converge around a 6-7" form factor with at least cellular data communication with maybe voice, or finally switch to VoIP. And along with them will come smaller accessories like smart watches, small voice handsets(HTC already has one)/ear pieces or Google-glass like devices. In 5 years, I would say the tablet is safe, but phones as independent devices they exist as now are probably in more danger of extinction. Though I don't think either are really going away, just a shift towards tablets/large phones.
 
2013-04-30 12:15:00 PM
not until they invent full color 3D capable contact lens HUDs whose display can go from clear to opaque
 
2013-04-30 12:22:29 PM

Cluckity: I'm willing to applaud bold statements like that if he can offer up some plausible alternative--Google Glass maybe or some kind of wearable thing, but it's awful hard to stomach such arrogant blather from a company who can barely even play catch-up to devices competitors released years ago.


Bingo.  If you're an investor and haven't cut your losses with RIM already, with leadership vision like this I'd be running for the sell button.
 
2013-04-30 12:23:02 PM
Of course, he's only ever owned a Blackberry Playbook, so I can see how he came to that conclusion.

/and I have a Playbook... I've left it at the cottage since I never use it at home or work.
 
2013-04-30 12:23:18 PM
Good news!

www.theinfosphere.org
/ Hot like a mermaid
 
2013-04-30 12:23:22 PM
Allow me to translate from corporate BS to English.

Thorsten: Dear investors, we tried to make a tablet and failed SO miserably that we are giving up. Clearly we just can't compete. And since we don't have a tablet, and I don't want to be fired for destroying this company by missing virtually every new technical trend since the original BlackBerry, I am going to tell you that tablets are "over". Anybody want to see a our new prototype of a rotary dial cell phone?
 
2013-04-30 12:23:38 PM

bsharitt: I think we'll see large phones (or *cringe* phablets) and small tablets converge around a 6-7" form factor with at least cellular data communication with maybe voice, or finally switch to VoIP. And along with them will come smaller accessories like smart watches, small voice handsets(HTC already has one)/ear pieces or Google-glass like devices. In 5 years, I would say the tablet is safe, but phones as independent devices they exist as now are probably in more danger of extinction. Though I don't think either are really going away, just a shift towards tablets/large phones.


The technology to communicate without talking is already out there. It's only a matter of time before we get there. Voice recognition will be done that way, so we aren't constantly bothered with people asking their version of Siri for directions to the nearest hotel.

I like the idea of smart watches. I think glasses will remain for a while because you need something that looks into your eyes and triangulates what you are looking at.

Tablets will probably disappear eventually but it won't be in five years.
 
2013-04-30 12:29:19 PM
I once worked for a company like this. It was a large (Fortune 500) company.

My first year there I got to go to a large assembly with the president of the company. This is sometime in 1993-1994. The man got up and explained that although our new Windows based software for our products was selling well, HE considered Windows a flash in the pan. He went on to explain how clearly a proprietary solution was called for since Windows would be gone so very soon.

I started working on my resume the next day and left that company a week after my one year review. Best decision I ever made.

Sometimes I wonder how someone gets to that level without the ability to read something so freaking obvious. I feel like this BlackBerry announcement falls in to the same category. (or maybe the nextflix attempted split announcement or cancelling Firefly)
 
2013-04-30 12:31:08 PM

SpectroBoy: I once worked for a company like this. It was a large (Fortune 500) company.

My first year there I got to go to a large assembly with the president of the company. This is sometime in 1993-1994. The man got up and explained that although our new Windows based software for our products was selling well, HE considered Windows a flash in the pan. He went on to explain how clearly a proprietary solution was called for since Windows would be gone so very soon.

I started working on my resume the next day and left that company a week after my one year review. Best decision I ever made.

Sometimes I wonder how someone gets to that level without the ability to read something so freaking obvious. I feel like this BlackBerry announcement falls in to the same category. (or maybe the nextflix attempted split announcement or cancelling Firefly)


Oracle?
 
2013-04-30 12:31:23 PM

bdub77: Tablets will probably disappear eventually but it won't be in five years.


It seems likely that EVENTUALLY his prediction will come true. But what, exactly, is BB going to do to make money or stay afloat until then?

I am looking forward to getting my nanobot injection that allows me to access phone and computing through pure thought and direct interface to my brain and optic nerve. But I am not making investment decisions based on cheesey scifi.
 
2013-04-30 12:36:06 PM
Phones are becoming powerful enough that a larger tablet isn't really needed, especially since if you need a larger screen you can just plug it into a monitor or TV.  I think something like the Samsung Galaxy Note II will eventually become the norm as far as form factor.  My tablet has basically sat unused since I got a Galaxy SIII last year.
 
2013-04-30 12:42:18 PM

Thoguh: Phones are becoming powerful enough that a larger tablet isn't really needed, especially since if you need a larger screen you can just plug it into a monitor or TV.  I think something like the Samsung Galaxy Note II will eventually become the norm as far as form factor.  My tablet has basically sat unused since I got a Galaxy SIII last year.


Somewhat similarly, the wife and I got an iPad as a gift, and it was neat.  We used it quite a bit for 6 months or so until the novelty wore off, but now... we just use our phones again.  For the handful of things where I want a bigger screen, I've got the TV or the computer.
 
2013-04-30 12:47:03 PM

Thoguh: Phones are becoming powerful enough that a larger tablet isn't really needed, especially since if you need a larger screen you can just plug it into a monitor or TV.  I think something like the Samsung Galaxy Note II will eventually become the norm as far as form factor.  My tablet has basically sat unused since I got a Galaxy SIII last year.


I have a top of the line Android phone and I still use my tablet all the time. I like the bigger screen for easier reading, web navigation, videos, etc. I don;t think I would like plugging in a monitor for anything that requires user input. Looking at the big screen and interacting with the small one seems odd.


Really I think there will be room for great phones that drive a screen AND tablets. But if a company (like say BlackBerry) abstains from one of the major segments they will be at a dissadvantage compared to a company that can cover all the bases (apple, motorola, samsung, htc)

Just my $0.02
 
2013-04-30 12:47:56 PM

Diogenes: SpectroBoy: I once worked for a company like this. It was a large (Fortune 500) company.

My first year there I got to go to a large assembly with the president of the company. This is sometime in 1993-1994. The man got up and explained that although our new Windows based software for our products was selling well, HE considered Windows a flash in the pan. He went on to explain how clearly a proprietary solution was called for since Windows would be gone so very soon.

I started working on my resume the next day and left that company a week after my one year review. Best decision I ever made.

Sometimes I wonder how someone gets to that level without the ability to read something so freaking obvious. I feel like this BlackBerry announcement falls in to the same category. (or maybe the nextflix attempted split announcement or cancelling Firefly)

Oracle?


They WISH they were oracle.
 
2013-04-30 12:48:16 PM

Meatschool: Thoguh: Phones are becoming powerful enough that a larger tablet isn't really needed, especially since if you need a larger screen you can just plug it into a monitor or TV.  I think something like the Samsung Galaxy Note II will eventually become the norm as far as form factor.  My tablet has basically sat unused since I got a Galaxy SIII last year.

Somewhat similarly, the wife and I got an iPad as a gift, and it was neat.  We used it quite a bit for 6 months or so until the novelty wore off, but now... we just use our phones again.  For the handful of things where I want a bigger screen, I've got the TV or the computer.


That's a typical reaction. Tablets aren't powerful enough yet to replace PCs, but are still too large to be as convenient as, say, an HTC One or iPhone 5.

I'm looking forward to buying a tablet for exactly one purpose - a lightweight reader & browser, to use at home as a supplemental device. That's about it, really. I've high-end PCs for my dev & gaming needs, a large HD TV for my movie needs, and so I just need a device about the size of a book for my reading & browsing needs - and those needs aren't urgent, as I have both books and PCs.
 
2013-04-30 12:48:24 PM
As an owner of a Nexus 7, I still think tablets are largely a solution looking for a problem.  That said, when a Blackberry exec starts talking about technology trends, it's pretty safe to assume that he is wrong.
 
2013-04-30 01:15:46 PM

namatad: I read some ebook in bed and then watched the first two episodes of Buffy.
I could not have done that without a tablet.


Wat
 
2013-04-30 01:23:16 PM
img.fark.net
 
2013-04-30 01:30:56 PM
In five years, not only will no one remember he said this, but RIM will be dead and gone, and the CEO will living in a van down by the river.
 
2013-04-30 01:34:52 PM
Phones are too damn small to do any real work on.
 
2013-04-30 01:42:09 PM

namatad: Bill_Wick's_Friend: bdub77: So...Blackberry is releasing a tablet?

Working on it. Expected release date is five years away.

and we are done

but seriously
does he own a tablet? does he use it ever?

I read some ebook in bed and then watched the first two episodes of Buffy.
I could not have done that without a tablet.

or not as easily ...
so why would I get rid of an AWESOME tool, to replace it with a useless version?


Uhh... what? You could certainly do that without a tablet...

And I agree that tablets will be useless in 5 years. They're already useless toys now, but on a more serious note: they will be useless because of advancements in notebooks and laptops. Any tablet that includes a keyboard isn't a tablet at all, it is a notebook/laptop. Pretty much every tablet comes with a keyboard these days, except for with Apple where you have to buy it separate from a third party vendor because Apple is retarded.

If you can get a product like the Lenovo Yoga or the HP Envy where it is a full, powerful laptop that can fold or detatch to a "tablet mode" then why would you buy a tablet, much less one that costs more and does less? (Unless you're stupid)

Not to mention products like Google Glass which will probably take over for reading and movie watching.
 
2013-04-30 01:43:42 PM
Of course, he could be right. But if he is, it'll be because Apple brings something out four years from now that makes the tablet irrelevant.

And about three years after that, RIM will bring out a more expensive, less effective version of the same thing.

/Because when I look for insight into future technology trends, I immediately turn to RIM.
 
2013-04-30 01:46:41 PM
In five years I don't think there'll be a reason to have a BlackBerry anymore.
 
2013-04-30 02:01:00 PM

Thoguh: Phones are becoming powerful enough that a larger tablet isn't really needed, especially since if you need a larger screen you can just plug it into a monitor or TV.  I think something like the Samsung Galaxy Note II will eventually become the norm as far as form factor.  My tablet has basically sat unused since I got a Galaxy SIII last year.


My TV doesn't fit in my car.  Or on a plane.  Or on my lap at the park.  Or... well, you get it.
 
2013-04-30 02:03:48 PM

SpectroBoy: Thoguh: Phones are becoming powerful enough that a larger tablet isn't really needed, especially since if you need a larger screen you can just plug it into a monitor or TV.  I think something like the Samsung Galaxy Note II will eventually become the norm as far as form factor.  My tablet has basically sat unused since I got a Galaxy SIII last year.

I have a top of the line Android phone and I still use my tablet all the time. I like the bigger screen for easier reading, web navigation, videos, etc. I don;t think I would like plugging in a monitor for anything that requires user input. Looking at the big screen and interacting with the small one seems odd.


Really I think there will be room for great phones that drive a screen AND tablets. But if a company (like say BlackBerry) abstains from one of the major segments they will be at a dissadvantage compared to a company that can cover all the bases (apple, motorola, samsung, htc)

Just my $0.02


Web navigation and videos. We get it, you need a bigger screen when you watch porn in bed so you can have your hands free.

I'd rather screen share from my Samsung phone to my Samsung TV if I want to watch Netflix. Probably would be awkward to read an e-book that way, but I'd rather look at a TV like that to read than get carpal tunnel on my wrist holding a tablet.
 
2013-04-30 02:05:09 PM

macdaddy357: Phones are too damn small to do any real work on.


No real work can be done on a tablet either.
 
2013-04-30 02:15:02 PM

Bullseyed: macdaddy357: Phones are too damn small to do any real work on.

No real work can be done on a tablet either.


Define real work. My partner and I are truckers. Everything but driving gets done on my Nexus 7. Mapping, finding truckstops, calculting fuel rebates, etc are done on my tablet. Just because you can't do work on a tablet doesn't mean people don't rely on them.
 
2013-04-30 02:15:09 PM

Bullseyed: macdaddy357: Phones are too damn small to do any real work on.

No real work can be done on a tablet either.


Yet.
 
2013-04-30 02:19:20 PM

The Crepes of Wrath: In five years, not only will no one remember he said this, but RIM will be dead and gone, and the CEO will living in a van down by the river.


RIM has already gone. They changed the company name so now everything is good again and they will take over the world.

It did lead to the demise of rim.job however and that is sad.
 
2013-04-30 02:24:21 PM
No real work can be done on a tablet either.

This slogan brought to you by Microsoft.
 
2013-04-30 02:35:02 PM
He is either completely right or completely wrong.

It is completely possible that tablets will be our computers and phones we just dock them at home work or in the car or plane and use headsets. But that is hard to just carry around everywhere, so it would need to be the size of a phone.
 
2013-04-30 02:49:23 PM
Only if battery life doesn't improve.

Biggest downside of my kid's tablets (my mother bought them offbrand ones for X-Mas) is that I damn near need to have them plugged into a charger all the time.

That, and the charging port is already loose from the kids being kids and pulling on them too much while charging.

Oh, and the charger cannot keep up with battery usage, so even if they are plugged in and indicate they are charging, the battery life keeps decreasing.

//The moral isn't "Tablets are dead in five years" but "Don't buy offbrand tablets".
 
2013-04-30 03:05:59 PM

meat0918: Only if battery life doesn't improve.

Biggest downside of my kid's tablets (my mother bought them offbrand ones for X-Mas) is that I damn near need to have them plugged into a charger all the time.

That, and the charging port is already loose from the kids being kids and pulling on them too much while charging.

Oh, and the charger cannot keep up with battery usage, so even if they are plugged in and indicate they are charging, the battery life keeps decreasing.

//The moral isn't "Tablets are dead in five years" but "Don't buy offbrand tablets".


Samsung, Kindle Fire, or iPad = Good
Everything else = Bad
(Surface Pro is a laptop, not a tablet)
 
2013-04-30 04:53:43 PM
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-04-30 05:05:03 PM

SpectroBoy: Diogenes: SpectroBoy: I once worked for a company like this. It was a large (Fortune 500) company.

My first year there I got to go to a large assembly with the president of the company. This is sometime in 1993-1994. The man got up and explained that although our new Windows based software for our products was selling well, HE considered Windows a flash in the pan. He went on to explain how clearly a proprietary solution was called for since Windows would be gone so very soon.

I started working on my resume the next day and left that company a week after my one year review. Best decision I ever made.

Sometimes I wonder how someone gets to that level without the ability to read something so freaking obvious. I feel like this BlackBerry announcement falls in to the same category. (or maybe the nextflix attempted split announcement or cancelling Firefly)

Oracle?

They WISH they were oracle.


Sounds like WordPerfect or IBM talking about OS/2.
 
2013-04-30 05:05:54 PM

Bullseyed: macdaddy357: Phones are too damn small to do any real work on.

No real work can be done on a tablet either.


Wrong.

cdn.arstechnica.net

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/04/thinkpad-quality-tablet-style -l enovos-thinkpad-tablet-2-reviewed/
 
2013-04-30 05:11:21 PM

meanmutton: meat0918: Only if battery life doesn't improve.

Biggest downside of my kid's tablets (my mother bought them offbrand ones for X-Mas) is that I damn near need to have them plugged into a charger all the time.

That, and the charging port is already loose from the kids being kids and pulling on them too much while charging.

Oh, and the charger cannot keep up with battery usage, so even if they are plugged in and indicate they are charging, the battery life keeps decreasing.

//The moral isn't "Tablets are dead in five years" but "Don't buy offbrand tablets".

Samsung, Kindle Fire, or iPad = Good
Everything else = Bad
(Surface Pro is a laptop, not a tablet)


I told her that.  She got offbrand...
 
2013-04-30 05:13:53 PM

mcreadyblue: SpectroBoy: Diogenes: SpectroBoy: I once worked for a company like this. It was a large (Fortune 500) company.

My first year there I got to go to a large assembly with the president of the company. This is sometime in 1993-1994. The man got up and explained that although our new Windows based software for our products was selling well, HE considered Windows a flash in the pan. He went on to explain how clearly a proprietary solution was called for since Windows would be gone so very soon.

I started working on my resume the next day and left that company a week after my one year review. Best decision I ever made.

Sometimes I wonder how someone gets to that level without the ability to read something so freaking obvious. I feel like this BlackBerry announcement falls in to the same category. (or maybe the nextflix attempted split announcement or cancelling Firefly)

Oracle?

They WISH they were oracle.

Sounds like WordPerfect or IBM talking about OS/2.


Jeff Papows at Lotus (pre-IBM buyout?)
 
2013-04-30 05:29:34 PM

swankywanky: mcreadyblue: SpectroBoy: Diogenes: SpectroBoy: I once worked for a company like this. It was a large (Fortune 500) company.

My first year there I got to go to a large assembly with the president of the company. This is sometime in 1993-1994. The man got up and explained that although our new Windows based software for our products was selling well, HE considered Windows a flash in the pan. He went on to explain how clearly a proprietary solution was called for since Windows would be gone so very soon.

I started working on my resume the next day and left that company a week after my one year review. Best decision I ever made.

Sometimes I wonder how someone gets to that level without the ability to read something so freaking obvious. I feel like this BlackBerry announcement falls in to the same category. (or maybe the nextflix attempted split announcement or cancelling Firefly)

Oracle?

They WISH they were oracle.

Sounds like WordPerfect or IBM talking about OS/2.

Jeff Papows at Lotus (pre-IBM buyout?)


Borland?
Novell?
 
2013-04-30 05:32:22 PM
Opiate of the Lasses: Wrong.

You expect me to type on that keyboard :P

Keyboards like that, I max out at just 60 wpm compared to 120wpm on a legitimate keyboard

cdn.skattertech.com

Or, 90 on my laptop keyboard

blog.parts-people.com

And when your job is to write code, that makes a big difference in productivity, YMMV depending on job.

// and also, it's not the tablet's fault, it's the fault of whoever designed that chiclet style of keyboard. My laptop at work has that same sort of keyboard flatish tops, no contours) and it sucks to hell.


Now we're talking :D
us.123rf.com
 
2013-04-30 05:41:44 PM

meanmutton: Samsung, Kindle Fire, or iPad = Good
Everything else = Bad
(Surface Pro is a laptop, not a tablet)


I'd argue that the Surface Pro is a bit of both and neither. It's roughly the size of a tablet and smaller/lighter than any laptop, including ultrabooks. I've started putting them in with our management, especially the guys who travel alot. It took them about a week to get Windows 8 and Office 2013 down, but now they seem to love it.

I go back and forth between my iPad 2 and Surface RT. The iPad has better games, like Real Racing 3, which has me hooked right now. But I find the Surface RT is better at watching netflix and pron (the kickstand is nice and an ARM processor means zero malware risk).
 
2013-04-30 06:02:19 PM
Aren't these guys the ones that lost 90% of their value by relying on hubris alone to make a company revolutionary and profitable?
 
2013-04-30 06:42:02 PM

MrSteve007: I go back and forth between my iPad 2 and Surface RT. The iPad has better games, like Real Racing 3, which has me hooked right now. But I find the Surface RT is better at watching netflix and pron (the kickstand is nice and an ARM processor means zero malware risk).


You keep thinking that.
 
2013-04-30 06:42:47 PM

Bullseyed: macdaddy357: Phones are too damn small to do any real work on.

No real work can be done on a tablet either.


Oh ... that's soooo cute.
 
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