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(Fox News)   Prominent anti-death penalty lawyer, who got clients such as the Unabomber and Jared Loughner off death row added to Boston suspect's defense team   (foxnews.com) divider line 121
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2013-04-30 10:57:54 AM  
Ok.
 
2013-04-30 11:11:37 AM  
AKA due process.
God bless America.
 
2013-04-30 11:18:04 AM  
Good.
 
2013-04-30 11:18:13 AM  
If he is convicted and doesn't get the needle, I'd settle for ADX Florence.
 
2013-04-30 11:19:34 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: If he is convicted and doesn't get the needle, I'd settle for ADX Florence.


ADX Florence is worse than death.  I'd actually rather be killed than forced to spend a lifetime in solitary. In a heartbeat.
 
2013-04-30 11:43:02 AM  

Rincewind53: Dancin_In_Anson: If he is convicted and doesn't get the needle, I'd settle for ADX Florence.

ADX Florence is worse than death.  I'd actually rather be killed than forced to spend a lifetime in solitary. In a heartbeat.


well then, that sounds like a plan.

Not for you, I mean. Not unless you are hiding something.

WHAT ARE YOU HIDING??
 
2013-04-30 12:03:30 PM  
Cue Fox saying turrsts don't deserve a legal defense in...
 
2013-04-30 12:03:43 PM  
Kill him, too.
 
2013-04-30 12:03:51 PM  
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2013-04-30 12:04:27 PM  
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2013-04-30 12:04:55 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: AKA due process.
God bless America.


That's my word!
 
2013-04-30 12:06:18 PM  
Good.  We are Americans.  We don't act out of fear and hysteria.   They get the same due process, because to do otherwise diminishes us all.
 
2013-04-30 12:06:36 PM  
But he already has his maximum allotment of lawyers; he can't get more.

Some dude on Fark told me so.
 
2013-04-30 12:07:09 PM  
Anybody see how Fox News shiat all over the Constitution over this situation with the surviving bomber?
And to think how twisted their collective panties got when Obummer zapped a US citizen with a drone strike.
 
2013-04-30 12:07:21 PM  
Well, I certainly don't understand how people can defend mass murderers who are clearly guilty, but that's how the system works so I guess someone has to do it.
 
2013-04-30 12:09:51 PM  
Let him have his lawyer. He's guilty as all hell though and deserves to die.
 
2013-04-30 12:10:04 PM  
Good it is the correct thing to do
 
2013-04-30 12:10:35 PM  
The best he can probably hope for is to avoid the death penalty by cooperating fully with the government investigations.  Unless the prosecutors really, truly screw the pooch on this one, he's going to spend the rest of his life in a cell, however long that ends up being.
 
2013-04-30 12:13:03 PM  

that bosnian sniper: Cue Fox saying turrsts don't deserve a legal defense in...


they've already said it. many, many times. remember: the constitution is just for white christians.
 
2013-04-30 12:13:07 PM  
Good I hope he keeps the kid off death row. We shouldn't be killing people any ways. killing to get a point across is what terrorists do, not civilized people.
 
2013-04-30 12:13:10 PM  
I don't care what they do with this asshole, and anybody who does needs to get a life.
 
2013-04-30 12:14:07 PM  
Is this guy even a citizen? I'm not lawyer but I believe that due process is only guaranteed for US citizens. Seems like a ton of money would be saved if we just shipped this guy off to Gitmo and moved on.
 
2013-04-30 12:14:07 PM  

Rincewind53: Dancin_In_Anson: If he is convicted and doesn't get the needle, I'd settle for ADX Florence.

ADX Florence is worse than death.  I'd actually rather be killed than forced to spend a lifetime in solitary. In a heartbeat.


THIS. The needle or gas chamber is a way too peaceful way for this guy to go. I'd rather know he is rotting in prison for the rest of his life. BUT, if the death penalty is imposed, I say he shouldn't know when it's coming. (His victims sure didn't) He should be confined to a cell for about 8 years, and then on some April day he should be unexpectedly dragged from his cell and strapped to a backpack somewhere outside.
 
2013-04-30 12:15:35 PM  
We're not talking exoneration here; just execution.

/'Law & Order' sound: chung-chung
 
2013-04-30 12:16:30 PM  

MDGeist: killing to get a point across is what terrorists do


So we should put him in a cage and treat him like an animal.

The death penalty isn't about making a point.

/poor poor poor Timmy McVeigh and Johnny Mo... murdered by their gov't!
 
2013-04-30 12:18:15 PM  
How can his scumbag lawyers sleep at night?

On piles and piles of money.
 
2013-04-30 12:18:24 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: Well, I certainly don't understand how people can defend mass murderers who are clearly guilty, but that's how the system works so I guess someone has to do it.


Yes, he's clearly guilty, but he still has the right to a fair trial.  In cases like this, the defense attorneys' job is to make sure the prosecution plays by the rules: dots every "i", crosses every "t", etc.
 
2013-04-30 12:18:47 PM  

chewielouie: THIS. The needle or gas chamber is a way too peaceful way for this guy to go. I'd rather know he is rotting in prison for the rest of his life. BUT, if the death penalty is imposed, I say he shouldn't know when it's coming. (His victims sure didn't) He should be confined to a cell for about 8 years, and then on some April day he should be unexpectedly dragged from his cell and strapped to a backpack somewhere outside.


No need to be brutal about it. Though I am a huge fan of hanging in this instance. A lonely ignoble death that is clean and quick.
 
2013-04-30 12:19:03 PM  
I'm completely okay with this.
 
2013-04-30 12:19:09 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: Well, I certainly don't understand how people can defend mass murderers who are clearly guilty, but that's how the system works so I guess someone has to do it.


Right, someone has to do it. And unless the lawyer is the most apathetic person in the world they still have to sleep at night. So all my sympathy goes out to them. In this case, Anti-Death does not mean "I'll prove he's not guilty!"

It's kind of weird because I thought these bomber guys welcomed death.
 
2013-04-30 12:22:01 PM  

iamskibibitz: Is this guy even a citizen? I'm not lawyer but I believe that due process is only guaranteed for US citizens. Seems like a ton of money would be saved if we just shipped this guy off to Gitmo and moved on.


Yes, he is a US citizen.
 
2013-04-30 12:23:49 PM  
Mrbogey:

The death penalty isn't about making a point.

/poor poor poor Timmy McVeigh and Johnny Mo... murdered by their gov't!


Yes it very much is. Do this and we'll kill you. Seems like it's making a point to me.
 
2013-04-30 12:23:50 PM  

wage0048: Yanks_RSJ: Well, I certainly don't understand how people can defend mass murderers who are clearly guilty, but that's how the system works so I guess someone has to do it.

Yes, he's clearly guilty, but he still has the right to a fair trial.  In cases like this, the defense attorneys' job is to make sure the prosecution plays by the rules: dots every "i", crosses every "t", etc.


What he said.  EVERYBODY is entitled to a defense.  Even if they are guilty.
 
2013-04-30 12:24:16 PM  
I'm all for due process, but meanwhile some poor black teenaged Citizen somewhere is having to face life with his crappy overworked public defender.
 
2013-04-30 12:25:22 PM  
This is the same as a lawyer who defends the right to free speech for the klan or WBC. It isn't pretty but somebody has to do it.  We would all be worse off if there weren't people taking those cases.
 
2013-04-30 12:25:52 PM  

MythDragon: How can his scumbag lawyers sleep at night?
On piles and piles of money.


I really doubt this case is going to be a goldmine for anyone. Maybe indirectly they will be able to make some money by writing a book about it or something, but the lawyers would have a much better hour worked to dollar earned ratio if they'd defend DUIs or contest speeding tickets or just about anything else.
 
2013-04-30 12:27:00 PM  
If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit!
 
2013-04-30 12:27:06 PM  

iamskibibitz: Is this guy even a citizen? I'm not lawyer but I believe that due process is only guaranteed for US citizens. Seems like a ton of money would be saved if we just shipped this guy off to Gitmo and moved on.


Due process is guaranteed to all persons within the jurisdiction of the United States, or the several states, pursuant to the 5th and 14th Amendments.

/Lawyer
 
2013-04-30 12:27:52 PM  
So where does this little douche get the money for a  bunch of high priced lawyers?
 
2013-04-30 12:28:40 PM  

MDGeist: Mrbogey:

The death penalty isn't about making a point.

/poor poor poor Timmy McVeigh and Johnny Mo... murdered by their gov't!

Yes it very much is. Do this and we'll kill you. Seems like it's making a point to me.


You're reducing all punishment to making a point then. Pay your taxes or go to jail! Stop for red lights or go to jail!

Laws and penalties aren't always about making points. Justice isn't a dick waving contest over forcing compliance to the law.
 
2013-04-30 12:31:01 PM  

Egoy3k: This is the same as a lawyer who defends the right to free speech for the klan or WBC. It isn't pretty but somebody has to do it.  We would all be worse off if there weren't people taking those cases.


There are a lot of attorney's that take these cases as an audition for high profile clients.
 
2013-04-30 12:32:42 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: Well, I certainly don't understand how people can defend mass murderers who are clearly guilty, but that's how the system works so I guess someone has to do it.


I would imagine that in a case like this you'd either have to plea bargain for a lesser sentence (life over execution) or they are going to find some way to prove that he was just a patsy for the dead brother and he should just get a few years in prison.  I can't imagine any lawyer sitting down with him and saying "Yeah, we can make sure you serve no prison time for this."
 
2013-04-30 12:33:35 PM  

Krieghund: MythDragon: How can his scumbag lawyers sleep at night?
On piles and piles of money.

I really doubt this case is going to be a goldmine for anyone. Maybe indirectly they will be able to make some money by writing a book about it or something, but the lawyers would have a much better hour worked to dollar earned ratio if they'd defend DUIs or contest speeding tickets or just about anything else.


Not this case. You're right that there are indirect financial benefits. Think of this as a job interview for some high profile clients. It could also land you your own tv spot as either a host or regular guest depending on how well you poll with the station's target demographic.
 
2013-04-30 12:35:27 PM  

yanoosh: So where does this little douche get the money for a  bunch of high priced lawyers?


Willing to bet it's really cheap or free.  Defend a high profile client like this guy, get him a lesser sentence, raise your rates accordingly so your clients in the future will think you are worth it.  Profit.
 
2013-04-30 12:35:33 PM  
Something that most of the "lawyers are scumbags, string him up" crowd seems to be missing:  This woman isn't somebody who defends people like this for kicks, or for a big payday.  She's typically brought in by the STATE because they know she's good and will head off Sufficency of Council issues.  In high-profile death penalty cases like this, she doesn't necessarily get them off, just gets them off death row.  In both Rudolph's case and Loughner's case, she got them life without parole in exchange for a plea agreement.
 
2013-04-30 12:36:40 PM  
the death penalty is barbaric, and we should do away with it.
 
2013-04-30 12:39:14 PM  

Krieghund: I really doubt this case is going to be a goldmine for anyone. Maybe indirectly they will be able to make some money by writing a book about it or something, but the lawyers would have a much better hour worked to dollar earned ratio if they'd defend DUIs or contest speeding tickets or just about anything else.


In the short term, that is true, but working cases like this is how lawyers make a name for themselves and get better cases later. That's why they do it.

I still think the case is almost certain to end with an easy conviction and the suspect trading all the information he knows in exchange for having the death penalty taken off the table. There's no way, with the existing evidence, he's getting anything less than life in Supermax, but I think the justice system would much rather have his intel than his death. Unless he just doesn't know anything, a real possibility since his brother was probably the mastermind of the whole thing.
 
2013-04-30 12:40:34 PM  

Krieghund: MythDragon: How can his scumbag lawyers sleep at night?
On piles and piles of money.

I really doubt this case is going to be a goldmine for anyone. Maybe indirectly they will be able to make some money by writing a book about it or something, but the lawyers would have a much better hour worked to dollar earned ratio if they'd defend DUIs or contest speeding tickets or just about anything else.


Well this case is basically free advertising for the defense lawyers. Suprised the Cochran firm wasent all over it.

It is the right thing to do for this scumfark. Give him the best defense his money cant buy and hope the system works. I cringe at the thought of some people saying he should be dragged through the street and stoned to death.  I do think about that and how asy it would be but you think about the slippry slope that would start.
 
2013-04-30 12:42:09 PM  

MythDragon: How can his scumbag lawyers sleep at night?

On piles and piles of money.


In this case, I suppose it's about forcing the prosecution to make the best and strongest case possible. After all, without defense attorneys, they could pretty much say anything to make their case.

Hate all you want, but in instances like this, they are necessary.
 
2013-04-30 12:42:33 PM  

chewielouie: Rincewind53: Dancin_In_Anson: If he is convicted and doesn't get the needle, I'd settle for ADX Florence.

ADX Florence is worse than death.  I'd actually rather be killed than forced to spend a lifetime in solitary. In a heartbeat.

THIS. The needle or gas chamber is a way too peaceful way for this guy to go. I'd rather know he is rotting in prison for the rest of his life. BUT, if the death penalty is imposed, I say he shouldn't know when it's coming. (His victims sure didn't) He should be confined to a cell for about 8 years, and then on some April day he should be unexpectedly dragged from his cell and strapped to a backpack somewhere outside.


Incidentally, that's how they do it in Japan - the condemned doesn't know when he's going to be executed until the morning of the big day when they wake him up to ask him what he wants for his last meal and to measure him out for the noose.  He's swinging before the end of first shift.
 
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