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(UCSB Daily Nexus)   Scientists create explosive and drug detector which works like a dog's nose, giving TSA one more thing to shove into your crotch at the airport   (dailynexus.com) divider line 70
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2013-04-30 12:49:44 PM
Can its handler cause it to false alert?  Because if not, it will never replace police dogs.
 
2013-04-30 12:59:18 PM

nekom: Can its handler cause it to false alert?  Because if not, it will never replace police dogs.


I'm sure they'll put a little red button on the underside of the handle.
 
2013-04-30 12:59:18 PM
Does it make a whistling sound when  it's sleeping?
 
2013-04-30 01:00:58 PM
I was transferring from the international arrivals to the domestic departure terminals in Sydney just a couple weeks ago and they pulled me aside and swabbed me and my carry-on bags. Then they put the gauze swab in a machine that, I suppose, would have told them if I was carrying explosives.

So when I think of the US implementing similar measures, I'm quite alarmed. I would expect this kind of gestapo tactics in countries like Britain and Australia where the subjects have essentially relinquished their rights. But I don't want that kind of creeping loss of freedom to come to America, at least not any more than we've already got here.
 
2013-04-30 01:01:08 PM
So it detects the drugs and then expodes, thus destroying the drugs?
 
2013-04-30 01:03:40 PM
Move over Rover, let high tech take over ...
 
2013-04-30 01:04:37 PM
Oh please don't make me wait another 32 seconds in the security line in order to implement safety procedures.

/JCOAMFC
 
2013-04-30 01:05:05 PM
But, but, BUTT, TSA is supposed to be about SECURITY.
Now you tell me, 12 years later, it is about OMG! DRUGS!

/knew all along drugs was more real than "security"
 
2013-04-30 01:06:52 PM
Don't know what airports you've been going to but I've been swabbed at least a dozen times in the US and 4 times getting on the MBTA red line (pre bombing).
 
2013-04-30 01:08:28 PM
This device has so many layers and nuances of science fail ingrained to it I don't know where to begin.  Too bad the idiots who buy this and will use it as evidence in prosecution don't know the difference.
 
2013-04-30 01:08:43 PM
Does it come with stickers?
 
2013-04-30 01:10:45 PM
The sinus is used to allure those particles to be exposed to toxins, pollutants and contaminants in the atmosphere.

Allow?

A dog, on the other hand, is a bit more based on patent recognition.

Pattern?

Way to find bombs on planes discovered - still no cure for autocorrect failure.
 
2013-04-30 01:12:26 PM
So the real worry here is that the machines will only rebel because farkers smell bad.
 
2013-04-30 01:12:30 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: I was transferring from the international arrivals to the domestic departure terminals in Sydney just a couple weeks ago and they pulled me aside and swabbed me and my carry-on bags. Then they put the gauze swab in a machine that, I suppose, would have told them if I was carrying explosives.

So when I think of the US implementing similar measures, I'm quite alarmed. I would expect this kind of gestapo tactics in countries like Britain and Australia where the subjects have essentially relinquished their rights. But I don't want that kind of creeping loss of freedom to come to America, at least not any more than we've already got here.


Airports in the US have had those for a decade.   When I set off the alarm in San Francisco recently they swabbed my palm.  I personally find someone rubbing my hand with a cloth pad less invasive than a pat-down or going through the big scanner.
 
2013-04-30 01:13:28 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: I was transferring from the international arrivals to the domestic departure terminals in Sydney just a couple weeks ago and they pulled me aside and swabbed me and my carry-on bags. Then they put the gauze swab in a machine that, I suppose, would have told them if I was carrying explosives.

So when I think of the US implementing similar measures, I'm quite alarmed. I would expect this kind of gestapo tactics in countries like Britain and Australia where the subjects have essentially relinquished their rights. But I don't want that kind of creeping loss of freedom to come to America, at least not any more than we've already got here.


Ha! Good one.
 
2013-04-30 01:14:38 PM
I wish someone would shove something in my crotch.
It's getting lonely down there.
 
2013-04-30 01:14:43 PM
Shove into your crotch, Subby? If it replaces canines, it'll be right up your ass sniffing in no time.
 
2013-04-30 01:21:58 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: I was transferring from the international arrivals to the domestic departure terminals in Sydney just a couple weeks ago and they pulled me aside and swabbed me and my carry-on bags. Then they put the gauze swab in a machine that, I suppose, would have told them if I was carrying explosives.

So when I think of the US implementing similar measures, I'm quite alarmed. I would expect this kind of gestapo tactics in countries like Britain and Australia where the subjects have essentially relinquished their rights. But I don't want that kind of creeping loss of freedom to come to America, at least not any more than we've already got here.


I'm pretty sure I had this done to me at an airport in the US, several years ago.
 
2013-04-30 01:24:53 PM

Cybernetic: AverageAmericanGuy: I was transferring from the international arrivals to the domestic departure terminals in Sydney just a couple weeks ago and they pulled me aside and swabbed me and my carry-on bags. Then they put the gauze swab in a machine that, I suppose, would have told them if I was carrying explosives.

So when I think of the US implementing similar measures, I'm quite alarmed. I would expect this kind of gestapo tactics in countries like Britain and Australia where the subjects have essentially relinquished their rights. But I don't want that kind of creeping loss of freedom to come to America, at least not any more than we've already got here.

I'm pretty sure I had this done to me at an airport in the US, several years ago.


Pretty sure I had this done pre-9/11.
 
2013-04-30 01:28:39 PM
www.myconfinedspace.com
 
2013-04-30 01:31:15 PM

CruJones: Airports in the US have had those for a decade.   When I set off the alarm in San Francisco recently they swabbed my palm.  I personally find someone rubbing my hand with a cloth pad less invasive than a pat-down or going through the big scanner.


If you were swabbed you probably got testing with a hot ion mobility spectrometer.
 
2013-04-30 01:34:10 PM
i.imgur.com

Unimpressed.
 
2013-04-30 01:34:43 PM
That's it for my C4 flavored BVDs then.
 
2013-04-30 01:34:57 PM
It's just a golf ball finder.
 
2013-04-30 01:35:54 PM

QRoberts: Don't know what airports you've been going to but I've been swabbed at least a dozen times in the US and 4 times getting on the MBTA red line (pre bombing).


I've always suspected that the swabbing that they already do is just for show.  Maybe they're finally created a detector that actually does something beyond act as a fancy-looking receptacle for used swabs.
 
2013-04-30 01:36:23 PM

old_toole: I wish someone would shove something in my crotch.
It's getting lonely down there.


Knows what you mean.
www.browncoats.com
 
2013-04-30 01:39:25 PM
in the year 2020 the TSA search will consist of a robotic gang rape that will last 10 minutes each time you get on a plane...
 
2013-04-30 01:40:54 PM

highbrow45: So it detects the drugs and then expodes, thus destroying the drugs?


It's a floor wax and a dessert topping!
 
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2013-04-30 01:41:33 PM
Am I the only one thinking the explosive function would make more sense as a separate device?

It doesn't sound very durable, and it could be a bit rough on the wedding tackle too.
 
2013-04-30 01:42:50 PM
Can it detect Muslims?
 
2013-04-30 01:42:50 PM

SpdrJay: in the year 2020 the TSA search will consist of a robotic gang rape that will last 10 minutes each time you get on a plane...


So i guess on December 31st, 2019 you should have a farewell party for mom?
 
2013-04-30 01:44:16 PM
Hrm, they talk about "Shining a light on the clump of silver particles". Which makes me suspect (along with the drawing) this is utilizing Surface Plasmon Resonance. Which makes sense, there's a lot of biosensor designs out there/in progress that utilzie that phenomena (often with gold instead of silver, just because,w hile silver has a larger SPR enhancement, gold doesn't oxidize very fast...)

I wish I could look at the actual *paper* and not this... this science journalism.
 
2013-04-30 01:44:27 PM

squibbits: Can it detect Muslims?


Lyons

????

Sparkowsky
 
2013-04-30 01:45:06 PM
 
2013-04-30 01:46:35 PM
They are waiting for the all important desire steak upgrade before they fully replace the K-9s.
 
2013-04-30 01:48:28 PM
Just try to relax.

blogs.babble.com
 
2013-04-30 01:52:01 PM
Remember those 'puffer' machines that the TSA spent millions on a few years ago? You can still find them at the airport, except you have to check the storage room in the basement.

Those were a *fantastic* use of money. Hope these work better.
 
2013-04-30 01:54:55 PM
Can we finally just scrap all this extra bullshiat as feel-good money wasting nonsense?

Yes, it is reasonably quick, if you show up two hours early. Now you have an hour and a half to kill on the other side of the checkers, for no good reason. I could spend that extra hour and a half doing something productive.

The backscatter thing? It's pinged on my left ankle three of the last four flights I've taken, claiming that there's some irregularity there. I've had an MRI of that ankle and leg before- there is nothing there, and never has been. It keeps throwing up false positives, and when I fly I see a number of people getting the same Freedom Frisk.

Yet how often do we hear of people making it through with contraband? I've had a pocketknife in my bag make it through at MDW, MCO, TOL, DTW- it was in my travel bag for a weekend road trip, and I forgot it there. It made it through the scanners at least 8 times.

All of this is still nonsense theater, nothing more.
 
2013-04-30 01:58:46 PM

Perducci: I've always suspected that the swabbing that they already do is just for show.  Maybe they're finally created a detector that actually does something beyond act as a fancy-looking receptacle for used swabs.


A swab put in to a thermal desorber in front of a mass spectrometer can detect explosives if you shook the hand of a guy who made a bomb, then washed his hands 3 times, then shook your hand. They work VERY well.
 
2013-04-30 02:01:48 PM

Felgraf: Hrm, they talk about "Shining a light on the clump of silver particles". Which makes me suspect (along with the drawing) this is utilizing Surface Plasmon Resonance. Which makes sense, there's a lot of biosensor designs out there/in progress that utilzie that phenomena (often with gold instead of silver, just because,w hile silver has a larger SPR enhancement, gold doesn't oxidize very fast...)

I wish I could look at the actual *paper* and not this... this science journalism.


I was thinking Surface Plasmon Resonance or possibly  Surface enhanced Raman spectroscopy

I wonder which it is. (if either)
 
2013-04-30 02:01:51 PM
Just like the first GPS, this gadget will fly you into a mountain, too.

Actually, if the gizmo detects any pollutants, the fracking industry will buy the patents, and you'll never see this thing again. It will be as welcome as those dash cam fiascos seen on Cops Behaving Badly.
 
2013-04-30 02:04:00 PM

Sword and Shield: Can we finally just scrap all this extra bullshiat as feel-good money wasting nonsense?

Yes, it is reasonably quick, if you show up two hours early. Now you have an hour and a half to kill on the other side of the checkers, for no good reason. I could spend that extra hour and a half doing something productive.

The backscatter thing? It's pinged on my left ankle three of the last four flights I've taken, claiming that there's some irregularity there. I've had an MRI of that ankle and leg before- there is nothing there, and never has been. It keeps throwing up false positives, and when I fly I see a number of people getting the same Freedom Frisk.

Yet how often do we hear of people making it through with contraband? I've had a pocketknife in my bag make it through at MDW, MCO, TOL, DTW- it was in my travel bag for a weekend road trip, and I forgot it there. It made it through the scanners at least 8 times.

All of this is still nonsense theater, nothing more.


Well, from a utilitarian perspective, a portable biosensor (which a drug/explosive detector would need to be) is really, REALLY handy, outside of TSA work. If it actually works well (and there are a lot of people trying to make rugged, portable biosensors based on Surface Plasmon Resonance), you could have a handy way to determne,s ay, the contents of a chemical spill, or a quick way to check what contaminants are present in a river or drinking water, or maybe even a quick blood test to see if someone's got a poison in their system (after all, a glucose meter is basically just a *very specific* biosensor).

Effectively, this would be another step towards getting the functional equivalent of a tricorder.

And that's pretty damn cool.
 
2013-04-30 02:06:49 PM

Sword and Shield: Can we finally just scrap all this extra bullshiat as feel-good money wasting nonsense?


But then how is some senator's brother-in-law going to get awarded the no-competition bid to manufacture these sniffers?  If that brother-in-law doesn't get the contract, how is he supposed to provide his kick-backs?  You're just not seeing the big picture here.
 
2013-04-30 02:11:58 PM

SpectroBoy: Perducci: I've always suspected that the swabbing that they already do is just for show.  Maybe they're finally created a detector that actually does something beyond act as a fancy-looking receptacle for used swabs.

A swab put in to a thermal desorber in front of a mass spectrometer can detect explosives if you shook the hand of a guy who made a bomb, then washed his hands 3 times, then shook your hand. They work VERY well.


Lots of things CAN work very well.  I'm sure there are laboratories on university campuses and medical company facilities and so on all around the world with devices that detect all sorts of things in very minute amounts.  That doesn't mean that the big rectangular device in your local airport is anything other than a box with a light on it.
 
2013-04-30 02:12:51 PM

Honest Bender: Sword and Shield: Can we finally just scrap all this extra bullshiat as feel-good money wasting nonsense?

But then how is some senator's brother-in-law going to get awarded the no-competition bid to manufacture these sniffers?  If that brother-in-law doesn't get the contract, how is he supposed to provide his kick-backs?  You're just not seeing the big picture here.


Oh, I know.

Never mind that metal detectors and x ray baggage screening is more than enough. Never mind that no one has ever used a binary explosive on a plane, I can't have a Faygo Redpop while waiting for the plane. Never mind the allowance for a 7-inch screwdriver, I can't have my Scout knife.

Insanity.
 
2013-04-30 02:13:44 PM
"Sir, I just need to check your asshole...."
 
2013-04-30 02:15:24 PM

Perducci: SpectroBoy: Perducci: I've always suspected that the swabbing that they already do is just for show.  Maybe they're finally created a detector that actually does something beyond act as a fancy-looking receptacle for used swabs.

A swab put in to a thermal desorber in front of a mass spectrometer can detect explosives if you shook the hand of a guy who made a bomb, then washed his hands 3 times, then shook your hand. They work VERY well.

Lots of things CAN work very well.  I'm sure there are laboratories on university campuses and medical company facilities and so on all around the world with devices that detect all sorts of things in very minute amounts.  That doesn't mean that the big rectangular device in your local airport is anything other than a box with a light on it.


Yeah right, who could be dumb enough to fall for that? http://news.discovery.com/human/psychology/why-people-believed-fake-b o mb-detectors-worked-130430.htm
 
2013-04-30 02:15:46 PM

Felgraf: Hrm, they talk about "Shining a light on the clump of silver particles". Which makes me suspect (along with the drawing) this is utilizing Surface Plasmon Resonance. Which makes sense, there's a lot of biosensor designs out there/in progress that utilzie that phenomena (often with gold instead of silver, just because,w hile silver has a larger SPR enhancement, gold doesn't oxidize very fast...)

I wish I could look at the actual *paper* and not this... this science journalism.


I think this is what they are talking about, http://www.spectrafluidics.com/science/breakthrough-science/">http:// www.spectrafluidics.com/science/breakthrough-science/

This is cool science, the best part of all this TSA drug/bomb sniffing nonsense is that it is making some great preconcentration techniques for  all sorts of detectors. All funded heavily because terrorism!
 
2013-04-30 02:18:56 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: But I don't want that kind of creeping loss of freedom to come to America


I'd say you're asking to close the barn doors after the horse has escaped, but the barn doors were removed for your own safety, citizen (teh turrist could have hidden behind it).
 
2013-04-30 02:20:11 PM

MemeSlave: old_toole: I wish someone would shove something in my crotch.
It's getting lonely down there.

Knows what you mean.


Who is that?
 
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