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2013-04-30 08:34:07 AM
fark food stamps i can make my own living

takes postage stamps and starts licking them
and goes to Publix and tries to buy a pack of cigarettes with them
 
2013-04-30 08:40:08 AM
The Tsarnaev family, including the suspected terrorists and their parents, benefited from more than $100,000 in taxpayer-funded assistance - a bonanza ranging from cash and food stamps to Section 8 housing from 2002 to 2012, the Herald has learned.

Four people received $100,000 in "value" over ten years, including below-subsistence-level food aid and low-income housing subsidies.

I am so very outraged.
 
2013-04-30 08:43:05 AM

kronicfeld: The Tsarnaev family, including the suspected terrorists and their parents, benefited from more than $100,000 in taxpayer-funded assistance - a bonanza ranging from cash and food stamps to Section 8 housing from 2002 to 2012, the Herald has learned.

Four people received $100,000 in "value" over ten years, including below-subsistence-level food aid and low-income housing subsidies.

I am so very outraged.


it's a bonanza when you think of all the Lean Cuisine's he could buy with all that money
 
2013-04-30 08:44:20 AM

kronicfeld: The Tsarnaev family, including the suspected terrorists and their parents, benefited from more than $100,000 in taxpayer-funded assistance - a bonanza ranging from cash and food stamps to Section 8 housing from 2002 to 2012, the Herald has learned.

Four people received $100,000 in "value" over ten years, including below-subsistence-level food aid and low-income housing subsidies.

I am so very outraged.


Thank you. My math shows that to be $10k a year. Hardly a "bonanza"

Yeesh, people. This is basic third grade math.
 
2013-04-30 08:45:36 AM
Is it just me, or does there seem to be far more outrage over the fact that they received public assistance than the fact they murdered a bunch of people and wounded even more?
 
2013-04-30 08:53:19 AM

Aarontology: Is it just me, or does there seem to be far more outrage over the fact that they received public assistance than the fact they murdered a bunch of people and wounded even more?


People are angry and they are lashing out at whatever they can.

I am not just talking about the Boston bombings. People in general in this country are pretty damn angry.
 
2013-04-30 08:55:11 AM

Aarontology: Is it just me, or does there seem to be far more outrage over the fact that they received public assistance than the fact they murdered a bunch of people and wounded even more?


I think the outrage is at the fact that they lived off the America peoples' hard work for ten years before killing and maiming a bunch of us for no apparent reason.
 
2013-04-30 08:56:48 AM

cman: People are angry and they are lashing out at whatever they can.

I am not just talking about the Boston bombings. People in general in this country are pretty damn angry.


That's one of the biggest problems in this country, in my opinion. We're way, way too easily outraged (not to say the bombings weren't outrageous. You know what I'm getting at) over things, and we allow that outrage to be the basis for policy and reactions to events.
 
2013-04-30 08:57:37 AM

gilgigamesh: Aarontology: Is it just me, or does there seem to be far more outrage over the fact that they received public assistance than the fact they murdered a bunch of people and wounded even more?

I think the outrage is at the fact that they lived off the America peoples' hard work for ten years before killing and maiming a bunch of us for no apparent reason.


So, what do you propose we do?

People will always be there gaming the system. There are those who will abuse what they are given. You cannot stop something like that.

Yes, two men killed a few people, but to blame the welfare system is insane. Its like blaming a gun for killing people. You blame the person, not the gun.
 
2013-04-30 08:59:14 AM

gilgigamesh: Aarontology: Is it just me, or does there seem to be far more outrage over the fact that they received public assistance than the fact they murdered a bunch of people and wounded even more?

I think the outrage is at the fact that they lived off the America peoples' hard work for ten years before killing and maiming a bunch of us for no apparent reason.


the reason was to prevent a nuclear war with North Korea. duh
oh no kim jong un is onto us!!
ATTACK ATTACK!!!
 
2013-04-30 08:59:41 AM

gilgigamesh: I think the outrage is at the fact that they lived off the America peoples' hard work for ten years before killing and maiming a bunch of us for no apparent reason.


OK. And what, if anything, should be done? Or are we just being outraged for the sake of being outraged?

I think the fact that senators were calling for the literal suspension of the Constitution is worth more attention than the fact that these people were on welfare for a while.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-04-30 09:06:39 AM
So what?  Does it have anything to do with the bombing?  Or is it that anyone who gets benefits is a terrorist?
 
2013-04-30 09:06:51 AM

kronicfeld: over ten years,


you're not supposed to pay attention to the time span.  just the amount.  $100,000 is a lot of money, and you need to be outraged by it.
 
2013-04-30 09:08:05 AM

ManateeGag: kronicfeld: over ten years,

you're not supposed to pay attention to the time span.  just the amount.  $100,000 is a lot of money, and you need to be outraged by it.


ah ha it should have been $1,000,000
then they would have enough money for steak dinners
 
2013-04-30 09:08:36 AM

vpb: So what?  Does it have anything to do with the bombing?  Or is it that anyone who gets benefits is a terrorist?


You can be sure that talking point will be used at some point.
 
2013-04-30 09:08:46 AM

vpb: So what?  Does it have anything to do with the bombing?  Or is it that anyone who gets benefits is a terrorist?


We're supposed to surmise that they used the entire $100K to buy the parts to make the bombs.
 
2013-04-30 09:11:34 AM
If they couldn't get the welfare handout, maybe they would have stayed home.
 
2013-04-30 09:11:57 AM

vpb: So what?  Does it have anything to do with the bombing?  Or is it that anyone who gets benefits is a terrorist?


Poors are all potential terrorists, and so anyone receiving public benefits should be subject to random home searches.
 
2013-04-30 09:19:34 AM

Aarontology: gilgigamesh: I think the outrage is at the fact that they lived off the America peoples' hard work for ten years before killing and maiming a bunch of us for no apparent reason.

OK. And what, if anything, should be done? Or are we just being outraged for the sake of being outraged?

I think the fact that senators were calling for the literal suspension of the Constitution is worth more attention than the fact that these people were on welfare for a while.


It's simply a facet of the story. It's a fact, but it says more about them than it says about the welfare system. People take advantage of and defraud every program the government offers, but there's no reason to get defensive like we shouldn't highlight it when it happens.
 
2013-04-30 09:22:30 AM

Nabb1: It's simply a facet of the story. It's a fact, but it says more about them than it says about the welfare system. People take advantage of and defraud every program the government offers, but there's no reason to get defensive like we shouldn't highlight it when it happens.


I'm not getting defensive. I'm getting annoyed because this is now the narrative.

And not, like I said before, Senators talking about suspending the Constitution. If America is more upset about a hundred grand than that, then America doesn't deserve rights.
 
2013-04-30 09:25:44 AM

Aarontology: Nabb1: It's simply a facet of the story. It's a fact, but it says more about them than it says about the welfare system. People take advantage of and defraud every program the government offers, but there's no reason to get defensive like we shouldn't highlight it when it happens.

I'm not getting defensive. I'm getting annoyed because this is now the narrative.

And not, like I said before, Senators talking about suspending the Constitution. If America is more upset about a hundred grand than that, then America doesn't deserve rights.


The only place I've seen it mentioned is here, and every time the source has been a Boston news source. I don't think it has become the narrative, but I think it's worth noting.
 
2013-04-30 09:28:21 AM

Aarontology: gilgigamesh: I think the outrage is at the fact that they lived off the America peoples' hard work for ten years before killing and maiming a bunch of us for no apparent reason.

OK. And what, if anything, should be done? Or are we just being outraged for the sake of being outraged?

I think the fact that senators were calling for the literal suspension of the Constitution is worth more attention than the fact that these people were on welfare for a while.


I'm not suggesting anything could or should be done. In and of itself, the amount of benefits is unremarkable. People are just generally angry right now, and that makes it worse. Just rage sauce for the angry pie, so to speak. I'm just pointing it out.
 
2013-04-30 09:30:41 AM
Now I want pie.

Spicy pie.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-04-30 09:44:17 AM
Nabb1:

It's simply a facet of the story. It's a fact, but it says more about them than it says about the welfare system. People take advantage of and defraud every program the government offers, but there's no reason to get defensive like we shouldn't highlight it when it happens.

Or maybe we should wait until it actually happens before we claim it did?
 
2013-04-30 09:44:59 AM

kronicfeld: Four people received $100,000 in "value" over ten years, including below-subsistence-level food aid and low-income housing subsidies.

I am so very outraged.


jesus, THIS.

remember, the herald is a rupert murdoch paper. it's job is to gin up anti-foreigner hatred. it's like the post or the daily mail.
 
2013-04-30 10:03:42 AM

Nabb1: Aarontology: gilgigamesh: I think the outrage is at the fact that they lived off the America peoples' hard work for ten years before killing and maiming a bunch of us for no apparent reason.

OK. And what, if anything, should be done? Or are we just being outraged for the sake of being outraged?

I think the fact that senators were calling for the literal suspension of the Constitution is worth more attention than the fact that these people were on welfare for a while.

It's simply a facet of the story. It's a fact, but it says more about them than it says about the welfare system. People take advantage of and defraud every program the government offers, but there's no reason to get defensive like we shouldn't highlight it when it happens.


it's only fraud if your IQ is above 79
then you can get a job
if it's below we'll forgive you and say here's money for free
so if your IQ is 81 fark Off FARAAAAAUDUDDDUDUDUD!!!
 
2013-04-30 10:06:55 AM

vpb: Nabb1:

It's simply a facet of the story. It's a fact, but it says more about them than it says about the welfare system. People take advantage of and defraud every program the government offers, but there's no reason to get defensive like we shouldn't highlight it when it happens.

Or maybe we should wait until it actually happens before we claim it did?


So, you don't find it interesting that these two boys came to the US as young children, grew up here, got help from the state when they needed it during tough times, got an education at some great schools turn out to have a seething hatred for the country and the people so much so that they would set off bombs around unsuspecting innocent people just to lash out?  Getting upset because this element of the story is being pointed out is a bid odd, IMO.  I don't think it should be the focus of the story, obviously, but it's certainly noteworthy.
 
2013-04-30 11:01:12 AM
Around $10,000 a year when one of them was a minor here without his parents?  Yes, that is outrageous!  To the Outrage Mobile, TeaPartyman!
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-04-30 11:09:08 AM

Nabb1: vpb: Nabb1:

It's simply a facet of the story. It's a fact, but it says more about them than it says about the welfare system. People take advantage of and defraud every program the government offers, but there's no reason to get defensive like we shouldn't highlight it when it happens.

Or maybe we should wait until it actually happens before we claim it did?

So, you don't find it interesting that these two boys came to the US as young children, grew up here, got help from the state when they needed it during tough times, got an education at some great schools turn out to have a seething hatred for the country and the people so much so that they would set off bombs around unsuspecting innocent people just to lash out?  Getting upset because this element of the story is being pointed out is a bid odd, IMO.  I don't think it should be the focus of the story, obviously, but it's certainly noteworthy.


Not any more interesting than some kid who was born here and did the same thing, the ones who join militias and blow up federal buildings and protect against health-care and such.

TFA certainly didn't mention any benefit fraud being found, as you suggested it was.
 
2013-04-30 11:13:53 AM

Irving Maimway: kronicfeld: The Tsarnaev family, including the suspected terrorists and their parents, benefited from more than $100,000 in taxpayer-funded assistance - a bonanza ranging from cash and food stamps to Section 8 housing from 2002 to 2012, the Herald has learned.

Four people received $100,000 in "value" over ten years, including below-subsistence-level food aid and low-income housing subsidies.

I am so very outraged.

Thank you. My math shows that to be $10k a year. Hardly a "bonanza"

Yeesh, people. This is basic third grade math.


www.tv-cowboys.com
 
2013-04-30 11:25:51 AM
You know what I'm outraged about?  Hint:  It isn't this.  It's the fact that those two little pricks deprived a 9 year old child of his life, as well as two young women and an MIT police officer, and forced life altering grave injuries upon others.  I don't really care if they were on welfare prior.
 
2013-04-30 11:27:00 AM
I still think that bombing thing is worse.
 
2013-04-30 11:44:15 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: ManateeGag: kronicfeld: over ten years,

you're not supposed to pay attention to the time span.  just the amount.  $100,000 is a lot of money, and you need to be outraged by it.

ah ha it should have been $1,000,000
then they would have enough money for steak dinners


A Ponderosa instead of a Bonanza?
 
2013-04-30 11:47:29 AM
Foodstamps and section 8 and

cdn.madamenoire.com
DYN O MITE!
 
2013-04-30 11:54:56 AM

vernonFL: Foodstamps and section 8 and

[cdn.madamenoire.com image 353x312]
DYN O MITE!


Goddamn Thelma was fine. She was responsible for some of my earliest proto-boners.

Offered, filed, and introduced into evidence as Exhibit "Gil-1":

www.themackmentality.com
 
2013-04-30 11:58:51 AM

I_Am_Weasel: A Ponderosa instead of a Bonanza?


images.wikia.com
 
2013-04-30 12:04:07 PM

vpb: Nabb1: vpb: Nabb1:

It's simply a facet of the story. It's a fact, but it says more about them than it says about the welfare system. People take advantage of and defraud every program the government offers, but there's no reason to get defensive like we shouldn't highlight it when it happens.

Or maybe we should wait until it actually happens before we claim it did?

So, you don't find it interesting that these two boys came to the US as young children, grew up here, got help from the state when they needed it during tough times, got an education at some great schools turn out to have a seething hatred for the country and the people so much so that they would set off bombs around unsuspecting innocent people just to lash out?  Getting upset because this element of the story is being pointed out is a bid odd, IMO.  I don't think it should be the focus of the story, obviously, but it's certainly noteworthy.

Not any more interesting than some kid who was born here and did the same thing, the ones who join militias and blow up federal buildings and protect against health-care and such.

TFA certainly didn't mention any benefit fraud being found, as you suggested it was.


I wasn't suggesting that this particular instance was fraud, just as an example of other kinds of abuse, misuse, etc. of government programs.  But you go ahead and white knight those poor Tsarnaevs if you feel like that's what you've got to do.
 
2013-04-30 12:09:15 PM
You can get angry at this if you want, but it's really unsurprising considering what happened to me last week.  I was in the grocery store trying to exchange some food stamps for honey, because honey doesn't go bad and is antiseptic and I went on food stamps because I have this memory thing and can't hold down a job, and these Russian guys were all in there making a scene about it.  All I want is some honey, I said, but they just kept growling and poking at me.  Just let me go, man, I said, but then the park rangers showed up and tazered me since apparently they were actually bears and I was in the bear pit at the zoo, and the next thing I know I was in the hospital all covered in bee stings and fur.  It wasn't much fun.

So, yeah, I can totally see this.
 
2013-04-30 12:13:16 PM
I bet his hospital bill is more.
 
2013-04-30 12:29:24 PM

gilgigamesh: www.themackmentality.com


I'd hit that so hard the aftermath would look like melted government cheese
 
2013-04-30 12:31:54 PM
Fine.  I'll go on record and say it.  Let's not give them any more food stamps.
 
2013-04-30 12:35:24 PM
Nabb1:

It's simply a facet of the story. It's a fact, but it says more about them than it says about the welfare system. People take advantage of and defraud every program the government offers, but there's no reason to get defensive like we shouldn't highlight it when it happens.

That depends. Are we highlighting it so we can prevent future fraud, or are we highlighting it so we can demonize poor people? These "are" welfare recipients to a lot of people. Look at how the myth of the welfare queen is so easy to spread. People want to believe poor people are bad; people want to believe they are better than someone else, no matter how wretched the other is. So we should be careful about these things, unless we're willing to just say fark the poor. Because that's what we'll end up saying when we can stir up enough hatred for them.
 
2013-04-30 12:37:24 PM

rumpelstiltskin: Nabb1:

It's simply a facet of the story. It's a fact, but it says more about them than it says about the welfare system. People take advantage of and defraud every program the government offers, but there's no reason to get defensive like we shouldn't highlight it when it happens.

That depends. Are we highlighting it so we can prevent future fraud, or are we highlighting it so we can demonize poor people? These "are" welfare recipients to a lot of people. Look at how the myth of the welfare queen is so easy to spread. People want to believe poor people are bad; people want to believe they are better than someone else, no matter how wretched the other is. So we should be careful about these things, unless we're willing to just say fark the poor. Because that's what we'll end up saying when we can stir up enough hatred for them.


Maybe it highlights that these kids got every benefit possible from the US and its government, yet still the pull of radical Islamic jihad was stronger.
 
2013-04-30 12:38:30 PM

Aarontology: Is it just me

 
2013-04-30 12:38:31 PM

kronicfeld: The Tsarnaev family, including the suspected terrorists and their parents, benefited from more than $100,000 in taxpayer-funded assistance - a bonanza ranging from cash and food stamps to Section 8 housing from 2002 to 2012, the Herald has learned.

Four people received $100,000 in "value" over ten years, including below-subsistence-level food aid and low-income housing subsidies.

I am so very outraged.


I saw a similar headline to the crock of shiat subby is responsible for on Drudge -- didn't even need to click the link to TFA to figure out what would deflate this outrage balloon -- yet you know tens of thousands of people are going to assume this family got a lump sum of 100K or a series of fat checks or something.

rumpelstiltskin: That depends. Are we highlighting it so we can prevent future fraud, or are we highlighting it so we can demonize poor people?


Poor people defraud; rich people have "loopholes."
 
2013-04-30 12:41:34 PM

I_C_Weener: rumpelstiltskin: Nabb1:

It's simply a facet of the story. It's a fact, but it says more about them than it says about the welfare system. People take advantage of and defraud every program the government offers, but there's no reason to get defensive like we shouldn't highlight it when it happens.

That depends. Are we highlighting it so we can prevent future fraud, or are we highlighting it so we can demonize poor people? These "are" welfare recipients to a lot of people. Look at how the myth of the welfare queen is so easy to spread. People want to believe poor people are bad; people want to believe they are better than someone else, no matter how wretched the other is. So we should be careful about these things, unless we're willing to just say fark the poor. Because that's what we'll end up saying when we can stir up enough hatred for them.

Maybe it highlights that these kids got every benefit possible from the US and its government, yet still the pull of radical Islamic jihad was stronger.


Or that poor people spend their money on frivolous stuff like big screen TVs and pressure cookers.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-04-30 12:43:54 PM
thismomentinblackhistory:

Poor people defraud; rich people have "loopholes."

This.
 
2013-04-30 12:51:27 PM

I_C_Weener: I_C_Weener: rumpelstiltskin: Nabb1:

It's simply a facet of the story. It's a fact, but it says more about them than it says about the welfare system. People take advantage of and defraud every program the government offers, but there's no reason to get defensive like we shouldn't highlight it when it happens.

That depends. Are we highlighting it so we can prevent future fraud, or are we highlighting it so we can demonize poor people? These "are" welfare recipients to a lot of people. Look at how the myth of the welfare queen is so easy to spread. People want to believe poor people are bad; people want to believe they are better than someone else, no matter how wretched the other is. So we should be careful about these things, unless we're willing to just say fark the poor. Because that's what we'll end up saying when we can stir up enough hatred for them.

Maybe it highlights that these kids got every benefit possible from the US and its government, yet still the pull of radical Islamic jihad was stronger.

Or that poor people spend their money on frivolous stuff like big screen TVs and pressure cookers.


{Why not both? .jpg}

(Kidding.  The former, obviously.)
 
2013-04-30 12:52:01 PM
One thing I've noticed about ... ah, screw it.
 
2013-04-30 12:52:12 PM

Aarontology: Is it just me, or does there seem to be far more outrage over the fact that they received public assistance than the fact they murdered a bunch of people and wounded even more?


It isn't just you.
 
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