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(The Hill)   Inhofe publically disagrees with NRA, chooses the even nuttier route   (thehill.com) divider line 41
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2013-04-30 08:28:03 AM
I still want to know who the heck DHS is planning to fight with these huge stockpiles of ammo and purchasing mine proofed vehicles.
 
2013-04-30 08:29:11 AM

randomjsa: I still want to know who the heck DHS is planning to fight with these huge stockpiles of ammo and purchasing mine proofed vehicles.


You, tough guy.  Its all about you.
 
2013-04-30 08:30:24 AM
Well.. that sounds like InfoWars paranoia, but Inhofe is with The Family.
 
2013-04-30 08:35:28 AM
Of course the NRA is upset about government agencies being limited in purchasing ammo. There's no farking way the public sector can buy up that much ammo, so the gun companies (which the NRA represents, not gun owners) don't want to lose money on those lower ammo purchases.

And yeah, if you throw in the practice firing, required qualification tests, etc, the various law enforcement agencies in the US do need to buy that much ammo. Not to mention who wants to rely on old ammo when you really need it?
 
2013-04-30 08:36:24 AM
Well, the NRA is a corporate lobbying group - therefore, it's always going to oppose something that will result in its corporate constituents making fewer sales to the government.

The Republican assclowns, on the other hand, want so much to use the NRA's playbook to pander to their insane base by accusing the democratic administration of "stockpiling bullets."  It really works nice for them - have gun owners blame democrats for the ammo shortage that was caused by crazy gun owners buying up and stockpiling ammo after Sandy Hook.   I love how dumb people and their dumb politicians can twist the most obvious and real cause of the ammo shortage, and project it onto their favorite boogey-man, the Obama administration.

Because we all know that the federal government is the one out there buying up and stockpiling ammo in its basement in anticipation of the coming civil war between the gun-grabbing federal government and second amendment loving patriots...
 
2013-04-30 08:38:34 AM
Holy freaking shiat, there is an Even Nuttier Vote.
 
2013-04-30 08:40:55 AM
Heh... This people are ridiculous.

Just think of the energy they waste on this paranoid bullshiat.
 
2013-04-30 08:46:14 AM

randomjsa: I still want to know who the heck DHS is planning to fight with these huge stockpiles of ammo and purchasing mine proofed vehicles.


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2013-04-30 08:47:04 AM

keylock71: Heh... This people are ridiculous.

Just think of the energy they waste on this paranoid bullshiat.


And these are some of our elected officials.

There is no face big enough to palm. It would be laughable if it weren't so pathetic.
 
2013-04-30 08:51:11 AM
God damn. When the NRA says you're being overly paranoid, you know you've gone off the deep end.
 
2013-04-30 08:53:32 AM

beerrun: keylock71: Heh... This people are ridiculous.

Just think of the energy they waste on this paranoid bullshiat.

And these are some of our elected officials.

There is no face big enough to palm. It would be laughable if it weren't so pathetic.



We've always had assclown politicians in this country.  But nowadays, it's gotten to the point where it is completely disgraceful how childish, ineffective, and utterly stupid our politicians have become.  Nobody should take these idiots seriously until they start acting like adults.

The problem is that these idiots ARE IN CHARGE OF MAKING THE LAWS GOVERNING THE MOST POWERFUL NATION ON EARTH.
 
2013-04-30 08:57:39 AM

beerrun: keylock71: Heh... This people are ridiculous.

Just think of the energy they waste on this paranoid bullshiat.

And these are some of our elected officials.

There is no face big enough to palm. It would be laughable if it weren't so pathetic.



Indeed... It's even more pathetic when you think of the clowns that actually vote for these assholes.
 
2013-04-30 09:05:46 AM

Bendal: Of course the NRA is upset about government agencies being limited in purchasing ammo. There's no farking way the public sector can buy up that much ammo, so the gun companies (which the NRA represents, not gun owners) don't want to lose money on those lower ammo purchases.


Your statement doesn't even make sense.
 
2013-04-30 09:05:47 AM

Bendal: And yeah, if you throw in the practice firing, required qualification tests, etc, the various law enforcement agencies in the US do need to buy that much ammo


DHS is purchasing massive amounts of hollow point bullets. Hollow point bullets are designed to maximize the wound channel and damage to the flesh of the person you are shooting at. Hollow points are more expensive than the bullets you would use to train with and hit paper targets with.

You use round nose ammo for training.

HP, personal defense, ammo goes for $1.00 a round....round nose ammo goes for between .10 and .50 cents a round.
 
2013-04-30 09:07:15 AM

randomjsa: I still want to know who the heck DHS is planning to fight with these huge stockpiles of ammo and purchasing mine proofed vehicles.


Obama has stated that he wants a civillian army to rival the strength of the military army.

Mmmm Mmmm Mmmm
O-Bam-A
 
2013-04-30 09:09:52 AM
So basically his message is; I am part of the govt I would like you to fear.
//in related news; my co-worker's brother who has no money is buying ammo with any disposable cash he can scrape together. WTF is wrong with people?
 
2013-04-30 09:11:51 AM

monoski: //in related news; my co-worker's brother who has no money is buying ammo with any disposable cash he can scrape together. WTF is wrong with people?


They're paranoid conspiratorial retards.
 
2013-04-30 09:22:23 AM
Wow so randomjsa AND Inhofe are still straight up lying about objective observable reality.
 
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2013-04-30 09:24:09 AM
I like how he wants to limit them to the average between 2001 and 2009.  It's funny when you consider that there was no DHS before the end of 2002.
 
2013-04-30 09:24:36 AM

Giltric: Bendal: And yeah, if you throw in the practice firing, required qualification tests, etc, the various law enforcement agencies in the US do need to buy that much ammo

DHS is purchasing massive amounts of hollow point bullets. Hollow point bullets are designed to maximize the wound channel and damage to the flesh of the person you are shooting at. Hollow points are more expensive than the bullets you would use to train with and hit paper targets with.

You use round nose ammo for training.

HP, personal defense, ammo goes for $1.00 a round....round nose ammo goes for between .10 and .50 cents a round.


Recently I've found JHP ammo for less than $20/box of 50 and bought it just because it was available and relatively inexpensive considering.  Kinda strange shooting hollow points at the range, but what can you do?
 
2013-04-30 09:24:48 AM

randomjsa: I still want to know who the heck DHS is planning to fight with these huge stockpiles of ammo and purchasing mine proofed vehicles.


I want to know why you sniffed my dog's butt? Just asking questions.
 
2013-04-30 09:40:21 AM
Inhofe is a puppet, a tool if you will.
 
2013-04-30 09:47:22 AM

Hobodeluxe: randomjsa: I still want to know who the heck DHS is planning to fight with these huge stockpiles of ammo and purchasing mine proofed vehicles.

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So, basically, it's for clown control?
 
2013-04-30 09:47:39 AM

Giltric: Bendal: And yeah, if you throw in the practice firing, required qualification tests, etc, the various law enforcement agencies in the US do need to buy that much ammo

DHS is purchasing massive amounts of hollow point bullets. Hollow point bullets are designed to maximize the wound channel and damage to the flesh of the person you are shooting at. Hollow points are more expensive than the bullets you would use to train with and hit paper targets with.

You use round nose ammo for training.

HP, personal defense, ammo goes for $1.00 a round....round nose ammo goes for between .10 and .50 cents a round.


Oh, for the love of crap... Most law enforcement agencies require their agents to train with the same kind of ammunition they use in the field because the round nose ammunition has a different flight profile. Before this whole nonstory blew up the gun nut boards were filled with debate about grain weights, jacketing, and any number of other things that affected accuracy between round nose and hollow point, and at the very least would change the flight profile.

God. You people.
 
2013-04-30 10:01:21 AM

captainktainer: God. You people.


Apparently, gun nuts turn into journalists when confronted with logic.

// you'll never get someone to understand when their ideology/ego depends on them not understanding
 
2013-04-30 10:11:25 AM
Shouldn't the invisible hand sweep in and cause somebody to bootstrap up and start a new ammo manufacturing plant?

What they propose sounds suspiciously like socialism.
 
2013-04-30 10:17:48 AM

Witty_Retort: Shouldn't the invisible hand sweep in and cause somebody to bootstrap up and start a new ammo manufacturing plant?

What they propose sounds suspiciously like socialism.


What an ironic username.
 
2013-04-30 10:26:41 AM
For those interested, here's the full NRA statement mentioned in the article:

NRA-ILA: Federal Law Enforcement Agencies Buy Ammunition
 
2013-04-30 10:36:23 AM

Bendal: There's no farking way the public sector can buy up that much ammo


I think you're not familiar with how much ammunition civilians buy on an average basis. We own many more weapons than the DHS and shoot them more often.
The government is making a bulk purchase that will put money in some pockets now, but that runs dry when they realize they don't need a new ammo contract for decades.
There isn't a need for controlled government purchases of ammunition since theirstockpile will probably hit its expiration date before they use it all, forcing a purge of their own armory into civilian hands.

The AR-15 will be the gun for everyone to have when a few billion rounds of cheap ammo is dumped on the market.

/My conspiracy theory: Obama expected to have an AWB and "Background check ALL OF THE THINGS!" legislation in place by now.
/To get the ban off early he tried to temporarily eliminate the supply, but its a plan in the process of backfiring.
 
2013-04-30 10:52:46 AM

randomjsa: I still want to know who the heck DHS is planning to fight with these huge stockpiles of ammo and purchasing mine proofed vehicles.


Ever wonder who the army is planning to fight with all those excess tanks?
 
2013-04-30 10:58:09 AM
Gun nuts are also conspiracy nuts. I'm shocked really.
 
2013-04-30 11:02:08 AM

Giltric: Bendal: And yeah, if you throw in the practice firing, required qualification tests, etc, the various law enforcement agencies in the US do need to buy that much ammo

DHS is purchasing massive amounts of hollow point bullets. Hollow point bullets are designed to maximize the wound channel and damage to the flesh of the person you are shooting at. Hollow points are more expensive than the bullets you would use to train with and hit paper targets with.

You use round nose ammo for training.

HP, personal defense, ammo goes for $1.00 a round....round nose ammo goes for between .10 and .50 cents a round.


I thought you were supposed to be gun-literate? I guess not. DHS doesn't train with round-nose bullets.
 
2013-04-30 11:04:38 AM
Frank N Stein: Witty_Retort: Shouldn't the invisible hand sweep in and cause somebody to bootstrap up and start a new ammo manufacturing plant?

What they propose sounds suspiciously like socialism.

What an ironic username.


I guess I could've gone with a reference to some poor, misbegotten soulless construct assembled from the dead failings of those long passed who is incapable of independent, rational thought. One whose sole destiny is to cause havoc and eventually turn on and destroy the one who promoted himself as an equal to God.
 
2013-04-30 11:09:50 AM

yet_another_wumpus: randomjsa: I still want to know who the heck DHS is planning to fight with these huge stockpiles of ammo and purchasing mine proofed vehicles.

Ever wonder who the army is planning to fight with all those excess tanks?


Unemployment in contested Congressional districts?

// the Abrams is assembled largely in OH
// military brass says they don't want them, but Congress disagrees
 
2013-04-30 11:41:20 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Giltric: Bendal: And yeah, if you throw in the practice firing, required qualification tests, etc, the various law enforcement agencies in the US do need to buy that much ammo

DHS is purchasing massive amounts of hollow point bullets. Hollow point bullets are designed to maximize the wound channel and damage to the flesh of the person you are shooting at. Hollow points are more expensive than the bullets you would use to train with and hit paper targets with.

You use round nose ammo for training.

HP, personal defense, ammo goes for $1.00 a round....round nose ammo goes for between .10 and .50 cents a round.

I thought you were supposed to be gun-literate? I guess not. DHS doesn't train with round-nose bullets.


In the greater fark scheme of things it is one of the most minor manufactured and false rants about DHS I've seen.

But seriously, why do people just make shiat up like this? Do they think no one will call them out?
 
2013-04-30 02:36:19 PM
I suppose now might be a good time to remind the nutters that an entire branch of the armed services is under the DHS and they might need a few bullets.
 
2013-04-30 03:03:23 PM

Aarontology: God damn. When the NRA says you're being overly paranoid, you know you've gone off the deep end.


The NRA is a corporate lobbyist, not a lobbyist for gun owners (no matter what they want to believe). They just want to say and do things that will result in sales. If the federal government decided to save money by purchasing less, they would cite national security concerns as a reason to buy more.
 
2013-04-30 03:47:03 PM

Supes: The NRA is a corporate lobbyist, not a lobbyist for gun owners (no matter what they want to believe).


Its not, no matter what you want to believe.
This talking point keeps getting repeated but the NRA is supported mainly by its members dues.   So while its no stranger to the industry (which, itself, is supported by sales to private citizens), its mainly guided by the members interests.

If people didn't like guns then there'd be no sales,, no lobby, and no votes to support it.

VictoryCabal: I suppose now might be a good time to remind the nutters that an entire branch of the armed services is under the DHS and they might need a few bullets.


A "few", certainly. Even "a lot" is warranted, considering the scope of their duties.
...But while the military expends around fifty million rounds per year for war, DHS is sucking it in at twice that rate to build one hell of a home front stockpile.

Its tempting to think they are either doing something corrupt or preparing for something ugly.
Neither may be correct, but we aren't in an era where trust in government gets repaid kindly.
Its the safer bet to believe they are up to no good.
 
2013-04-30 04:15:30 PM
Dear derper in Congress:
I personally know a good dozen people with 10-40k rounds of ammo stockpiled.  Your claim and ideas are retarded and not based in reality.
 
2013-04-30 05:35:41 PM

Bendal: Of course the NRA is upset about government agencies being limited in purchasing ammo. There's no farking way the public sector can buy up that much ammo, so the gun companies (which the NRA represents, not gun owners) don't want to lose money on those lower ammo purchases.


lolwut. What you've said is so not connected to reality that, to quote Wolfgang Pauli, "it's not even wrong".

Pretty much every common caliber, including those used almost exclusively by non-governmental users (like .22LR, various hunting calibers, etc.), have been sold out for months. Ammo manufacturers that cater entirely to the civilian market are running at maximum capacity and have a massive backlog of order. CCI makes several million rounds of .22LR  per day but common .22LR brands like CCI Mini-Mags are sold out everywhere and orders placed today at retailers like MidwayUSA have no known date when they'd be fulfilled (a few weeks ago, orders for Mini-Mags were estimated at taking about a year to be fulfilled).

The NRA is right: it's not some sneaky government conspiracy to buy up all the ammo and deny it to private shooters. That'd be absurd. Rather, it's that there's massive civilian demand for ammo, both due to traditionally normal purposes (recreational target shooting, sport shooting, hunting, competition, etc.) and, unfortunately, people "stocking up" due to concerns about potential gun control. The latter group, the panic buyers, are making it tough for everyone else by buying up everything in sight as soon as it becomes available.
 
2013-05-01 11:50:32 AM

way south: Its not, no matter what you want to believe.
This talking point keeps getting repeated but the NRA is supported mainly by its members dues.   So while its no stranger to the industry (which, itself, is supported by sales to private citizens), its mainly guided by the members interests.

If people didn't like guns then there'd be no sales,, no lobby, and no votes to support it.


Even if one gets 90% of their money from members, and 10% of their money from special interests pushing them to lobby, one can still be primarily influenced by the 10%.  So long as the 90% are still stupid enough to keep kicking in the cash as one focuses on the goals of the 10%, one can easily end up serving the 10% more than the 90.

Now, I won't try to convince you who they primarily work for in terms of what they do, as opposed to who pays them.  Only you can look at their actions and decide who benefits the most.  But whether it is the gun-owners of America or the firearms businesses of America isn't determined by where the NRA gets most of its money.  The NRA has just about nothing in the way of competition for resources, and has plenty of wiggle room to focus on corporate interests while making grandiose speeches about gun-grabbing and the death of the 2nd amendment to rouse their supporters.

Fwiw, I am against gun banning, but in favor of registration and increased background checks. The NRA is an association I would like to like, but cannot bring myself to do so.
 
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