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2013-04-30 06:20:11 AM  
I know not all Repubs are that dumb but many will base their decision like that. Somebody has to keep the energy companies afloat, might as well be the dumbasses.
 
2013-04-30 06:29:16 AM  
DRTFA. But it must be true.

When I drive through rich republican suburbs and see trash in the streets,dead grass from urine and playgrounds in ruins.

Then when I go a through poor urban area the people are picking up litter  and sweeping the sidewalks and the playgrounds are immaculate also flower boxes on each window sill.

media.herald-dispatch.com
 
2013-04-30 07:39:26 AM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: DRTFA. But it must be true.

When I drive through rich republican suburbs and see trash in the streets,dead grass from urine and playgrounds in ruins.

Then when I go a through poor urban area the people are picking up litter  and sweeping the sidewalks and the playgrounds are immaculate also flower boxes on each window sill.


You should try reading. Perhaps then you wouldn't come off sounding like a special needs who downed a fifth of Beam.
 
2013-04-30 07:46:13 AM  
Das ist Wahrheit

They wont buy them out of spite. I felt the same way for quite some time. Letting political decisions dictate how you buy crap is something that we Americans excel at.
 
2013-04-30 07:56:43 AM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: DRTFA. But it must be true.

When I drive through rich republican suburbs and see trash in the streets,dead grass from urine and playgrounds in ruins.

Then when I go a through poor urban area the people are picking up litter  and sweeping the sidewalks and the playgrounds are immaculate also flower boxes on each window sill.


Is there some alternate reality where your post relates to the article?
 
2013-04-30 07:57:34 AM  
Is there some alternate reality where your post relates to the article?
 
2013-04-30 07:58:25 AM  
So good it posted twice?
 
2013-04-30 08:03:15 AM  
Conservatives like to give more money to the power company because green tech is for dirty hippies.
 
2013-04-30 08:31:59 AM  
Alright, I'm starting a company called As God Intended and telling them all my green energy products were biblically inspired, they'll eat it right up.

Remember when God said "let there be light?"  He was telling us to harness the Sun's energy with solar panels.  These Return to Eden light bulbs, that will save you money by using less energy? Just inspired by a simpler time.

/who needs Energy Star certification when we have Jesus Christ Super Star certification?
 
2013-04-30 08:34:27 AM  
I worked with a guy who purposefully threw recyclables in the trash and made sure to flaunt his use of styrofoam containers in front of an environmentalist co-worker. He did this to "piss off Al Gore"

/yes, he thought Sarah Palin would be a good president
 
2013-04-30 08:37:37 AM  

WI241TH: Alright, I'm starting a company called As God Intended and telling them all my green energy products were biblically inspired, they'll eat it right up.

Remember when God said "let there be light?"  He was telling us to harness the Sun's energy with solar panels.  These Return to Eden light bulbs, that will save you money by using less energy? Just inspired by a simpler time.

/who needs Energy Star certification when we have Jesus Christ Super Star certification?


Sun worshiping heretic! God was explicitly saying we should build a Dyson Sphere around the earth and pump out all the air.
 
2013-04-30 08:39:15 AM  
o.onionstatic.com
 
2013-04-30 08:40:28 AM  
Ah, whatever happened to the bulbists? Those brave conservative heroes that still worshiped the old gods. When faced with news that American companies were moving on from the old model regardless of any legislation, they valiantly decided to declare they'd only buy Chinese from now on, while blaming their enemies for sending "jobs" overseas.
 
2013-04-30 08:41:31 AM  
Because they're a-holes?
 
2013-04-30 08:42:33 AM  
Honestly I understand why you would not recycle, use inefficient light bulbs, and pollute. The "energy efficient" light bulbs are expensive, an incandescent bulb are cheap. While an "energy efficient" bulb costs four or five dollars, dims after two years and burns out in three even though it is "guaranteed" for five.

Those "energy efficient" bulbs are a rip off and no where need as effective as advertised.
 
2013-04-30 08:42:52 AM  

Rapmaster2000: [o.onionstatic.com image 850x595]


What the fark was that?  Is that really what passes for conservative political cartooning?  This... this is a parody, right?  Please?
 
2013-04-30 08:43:11 AM  

cman: They wont buy them out of spite. I felt the same way for quite some time.


I'd be suspicious that this was just a "look how stupid I am!" troll, but it's you.
 
2013-04-30 08:45:00 AM  

Rapmaster2000: [o.onionstatic.com image 850x595]


Please tell me that's a parody from one of the Daily Show books
 
2013-04-30 08:45:47 AM  

LazarusLong42: Rapmaster2000: [o.onionstatic.com image 850x595]

What the fark was that?  Is that really what passes for conservative political cartooning?  This... this is a parody, right?  Please?


Heh, I hadn't noticed the "onionstatic.com" in the image's URL.  Parody, then.  Good.
 
2013-04-30 08:47:00 AM  

LazarusLong42: Rapmaster2000: [o.onionstatic.com image 850x595]

What the fark was that?  Is that really what passes for conservative political cartooning?  This... this is a parody, right?  Please?


That's the Onion's own political cartoonist.
 
2013-04-30 08:47:17 AM  
I think the moral here is that the right has just become a party of trolls.  Liberal folks may sometimes fit the stereotype that they are susceptible to "green" marketing and "organic" bullshiat, even when it ultimately does little to nothing to help the environment (and in some cases is worse).  But at least the intentions are to actually do something good - reduce their environmental impact and reduce the use of pesticides.

Conservatives, on the other hand, are in this reactionary psychology where they'd just as soon throw a newspaper in the garbage rather than recycle it (all things being equal), if for no other reason than recycling is "liberal bullshiat."   What is their underlying goal?  It's just childish spite.

So I'm kind of tired of the false equivalence of "liberals and conservatives are equally stupid."   That doesn't really work when one side is literally taking positions and doing things for no admirable or principled reason, and is simply doing it to troll the other side.  If you look at Washington, this is the big problem with the GOP - it is simply obstructionist and has no real goals other than to make the democrats look bad and oppose things (like background checks, efficiency standards) for no reason other than because it's something democrats like.
 
2013-04-30 08:47:47 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: cman: They wont buy them out of spite. I felt the same way for quite some time.

I'd be suspicious that this was just a "look how stupid I am!" troll, but it's you.


Who pissed in your tea this morning?
 
2013-04-30 08:48:52 AM  
Is paying money to damage the environment really all that surprising from the same people that vote for a party that will hurt them economically because they will also hurt minorities at the same time?
 
2013-04-30 08:49:00 AM  

Slaves2Darkness: While an "energy efficient" bulb costs four or five dollars, dims after two years and burns out in three even though it is "guaranteed" for five.


Is there a reason you wouldn't take the manufacturer up on their guarantee then?  Because if what you say is accurate, you could get free bulbs in perpetuity.

But hey, why do that when you could keep buying and replacing incandescents, right?
 
2013-04-30 08:49:49 AM  

PreMortem: Dr.Mxyzptlk.: DRTFA. But it must be true.

When I drive through rich republican suburbs and see trash in the streets,dead grass from urine and playgrounds in ruins.

Then when I go a through poor urban area the people are picking up litter  and sweeping the sidewalks and the playgrounds are immaculate also flower boxes on each window sill.

You should try reading. Perhaps then you wouldn't come off sounding like a special needs who downed a fifth of Beam.


I have him favorited as "stinks of stupid." Glad to see I nailed it.
 
2013-04-30 08:50:09 AM  

xria: Is paying money to damage the environment really all that surprising from the same people that vote for a party that will hurt them economically because they will also hurt minorities at the same time?


Article: green tech
You: RACISM RACISM OMG RACISM
 
2013-04-30 08:50:45 AM  

Slaves2Darkness: Honestly I understand why you would not recycle, use inefficient light bulbs, and pollute. The "energy efficient" light bulbs are expensive, an incandescent bulb are cheap. While an "energy efficient" bulb costs four or five dollars, dims after two years and burns out in three even though it is "guaranteed" for five.

Those "energy efficient" bulbs are a rip off and no where need as effective as advertised.


I've been using many of the same energy efficient bulbs for almost 10 years. They've been moved between houses too. Your electric bill goes down. If you buy great value or big lots cfls don't expect them to last.
 
2013-04-30 08:51:39 AM  

cman: xria: Is paying money to damage the environment really all that surprising from the same people that vote for a party that will hurt them economically because they will also hurt minorities at the same time?

Article: green tech
You: RACISM RACISM OMG RACISM


Both fall under 'malice towards all others'.
 
2013-04-30 08:52:03 AM  
What if we assume that there is a rational reason for their inclination.

Given:
Most "green" products cost more than "non-green" products
conservatives believe that there is no reason to prefer green over non-green products
a rational consumer, given the information that something is a green product, would assume that it costs more for 'no good reason' and, in making a quick purchase like a light bulb, avoid the green product.
 
2013-04-30 08:52:04 AM  

WI241TH: Alright, I'm starting a company called As God Intended and telling them all my green energy products were biblically inspired, they'll eat it right up.

Remember when God said "let there be light?"  He was telling us to harness the Sun's energy with solar panels.  These Return to Eden light bulbs, that will save you money by using less energy? Just inspired by a simpler time.

/who needs Energy Star certification when we have Jesus Christ Super Star certification?


Do It! Make money off the funnies AND help society! Totally win-win.

You can even charge a premium for these Biblically inspired technologies, maybe 10% or so?
 
2013-04-30 08:54:30 AM  

cman: Das ist Wahrheit

They wont buy them out of spite.


It's not actually spite if there's no one there to see you do it.  Next time, find someone in the store that you are pretty certain is a lib and let them know that you're NOT buying the recycled paper towels.  Then say "Bounty is the quicker-picker-upper... suck it, lib."
 
2013-04-30 08:54:39 AM  
A study out today in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences examined attitudes about energy efficiency in liberals and conservatives, and found that promoting energy-efficient products and services on the basis of their environmental benefits actually turned conservatives off from picking them

Why save yourself money when other people will also benefit from it?
 
2013-04-30 08:54:39 AM  
It is all about the messaging.  If you harp on and on about the green aspects of a product I zone out/stop caring, I dont care. Wax poetically about efficiency gains and a payoff period and I am like an 8 year old that found the lingerie section of the Sears Catalog.

Different strokes for different folks.
 
2013-04-30 08:54:42 AM  

timswar: WI241TH: Alright, I'm starting a company called As God Intended and telling them all my green energy products were biblically inspired, they'll eat it right up.

Remember when God said "let there be light?"  He was telling us to harness the Sun's energy with solar panels.  These Return to Eden light bulbs, that will save you money by using less energy? Just inspired by a simpler time.

/who needs Energy Star certification when we have Jesus Christ Super Star certification?

Do It! Make money off the funnies AND help society! Totally win-win.

You can even charge a premium for these Biblically inspired technologies, maybe 10% or so?


Shut up and take my (investment) money!
 
2013-04-30 08:55:26 AM  

cman: xria: Is paying money to damage the environment really all that surprising from the same people that vote for a party that will hurt them economically because they will also hurt minorities at the same time?

Article: green tech
You: RACISM RACISM OMG RACISM


It's hardly their fault that conservatives are racists.
 
2013-04-30 08:56:43 AM  

Slaves2Darkness: Honestly I understand why you would not recycle, use inefficient light bulbs, and pollute. The "energy efficient" light bulbs are expensive, an incandescent bulb are cheap. While an "energy efficient" bulb costs four or five dollars, dims after two years and burns out in three even though it is "guaranteed" for five.

Those "energy efficient" bulbs are a rip off and no where need as effective as advertised.


I have a few energy efficient bulbs in my apartment that are over four years old now, so I'm getting a kick . . .
 
2013-04-30 08:57:10 AM  

Saiga410: It is all about the messaging.  If you harp on and on about the green aspects of a product I zone out/stop caring, I dont care. Wax poetically about efficiency gains and a payoff period and I am like an 8 year old that found the lingerie section of the Sears Catalog.

Different strokes for different folks.


There's a difference between apathy toward environmental friendliness, and outright disgust as the article suggests.
 
2013-04-30 08:57:56 AM  

Katie98_KT: What if we assume that there is a rational reason for their inclination.

Given:
Most "green" products cost more than "non-green" products
conservatives believe that there is no reason to prefer green over non-green products
a rational consumer, given the information that something is a green product, would assume that it costs more for 'no good reason' and, in making a quick purchase like a light bulb, avoid the green product.


Psst.  Read the article.

Also, the idea of the rational consumer went out a while ago.  It's all behavioral economics now.  For example, cman is choosing products based on spite.  That isn't rational behavior.
 
2013-04-30 08:58:05 AM  

Alphax: cman: xria: Is paying money to damage the environment really all that surprising from the same people that vote for a party that will hurt them economically because they will also hurt minorities at the same time?

Article: green tech
You: RACISM RACISM OMG RACISM

Both fall under 'malice towards all others'.


Or as Rattlehead so elegantly put it, because they're assholes.
 
2013-04-30 08:58:09 AM  
This sounds eerily similar to that psych experiment where people were offered the choice of receiving $200 right now or $50 per week for 10 weeks.  And the incandescent crowd is reminiscent of the group that opts for the $200.
 
2013-04-30 08:58:45 AM  
Republicans hate environmentalism because they hate everything. In this specific instance, they particularly hate environmentalism because healing the planet delays the apocalypse. And Republicans (all of them. Every single one.) want nothing more than for the Earth to be destroyed in fire, because they all hate their lives, yet are too cowardly to kill themselves.

tl;dr: All Republicans hate environmentalism because it delays their fiery death at the hands of their benevolent lord and savior.
 
2013-04-30 08:59:24 AM  
Because the GOP is in the pocket of Big Oil, which denies green energy to try to keep people hooked onto fossil fuels for as long as possible.  This is why we can't get any alternative fuel car to be successful.  Car companies talk about hydrogen cell cars for a decade but I wonder if it's just talk to try to make themselves look good in front of environmentalists.

And so this culture of supporting Big Oil filters down to other technologies.  Because, as a conservative, you're suppose to "hate" non-oil, non-gas technologies, you're suppose to hate anything labeled "green" or "energy efficient."  This paranoia then spreads to stupid things like lightbulbs.

This hatred grows even stronger due to the liberal insistence that global warming is a man made problem and Big Oil's insistence that it is not (regardless of what one Koch-funded research claims.)  Big Oil will lose their profits if people switch to alternative energy sources so they do whatever they can to downplay or even outright deny that global warming is a real thing.  And so again, this increases the hate against anything labeled "green" or "energy efficient," thus creating an irrational hatred of lightbulbs.
 
2013-04-30 09:01:53 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: It's hardly their fault that conservatives are racists.


IMO it's racists that tend to identify with conservatives, not necessarily the other way around (there are some libertarians who point at Jim Crow as evidence of "big government").  Saying "conservatives are racists" is like saying "Muslims are terrorists".
 
2013-04-30 09:02:14 AM  

THX 1138: This sounds eerily similar to that psych experiment where people were offered the choice of receiving $200 right now or $50 per week for 10 weeks.  And the incandescent crowd is reminiscent of the group that opts for the $200.


Smart choice. With Obama printing all that money, the hyper-inflation will make the money you get 2 weeks from now worthless.
 
2013-04-30 09:02:19 AM  
Also, it speaks volumes about how good our country has it that we have become so petty and utterly self-absorbed that a huge swath of the right wing views a governmental ban on inefficient light bulbs to be a "fundamental" threat to liberty.

Today, minor inconveniences = "help help, I'm being oppressed!"

/cue Louis C.K.
 
2013-04-30 09:02:21 AM  

heinekenftw: Because the GOP is in the pocket of Big Oil, which denies green energy to try to keep people hooked onto fossil fuels for as long as possible.  This is why we can't get any alternative fuel car to be successful.  Car companies talk about hydrogen cell cars for a decade but I wonder if it's just talk to try to make themselves look good in front of environmentalists.

And so this culture of supporting Big Oil filters down to other technologies.  Because, as a conservative, you're suppose to "hate" non-oil, non-gas technologies, you're suppose to hate anything labeled "green" or "energy efficient."  This paranoia then spreads to stupid things like lightbulbs.

This hatred grows even stronger due to the liberal insistence that global warming is a man made problem and Big Oil's insistence that it is not (regardless of what one Koch-funded research claims.)  Big Oil will lose their profits if people switch to alternative energy sources so they do whatever they can to downplay or even outright deny that global warming is a real thing.  And so again, this increases the hate against anything labeled "green" or "energy efficient," thus creating an irrational hatred of lightbulbs.


It's a really slippery slope.  One day you're in the hardware store picking out an energy efficient bulb, and a week later you're composting, growing organic vegetables and herbs, recycling meticulously, and driving a hybrid.
 
2013-04-30 09:03:07 AM  

cman: LouDobbsAwaaaay: cman: They wont buy them out of spite. I felt the same way for quite some time.

I'd be suspicious that this was just a "look how stupid I am!" troll, but it's you.

Who pissed in your tea this morning?


C'mon.  You buy lightbulbs out of spite?  How pathetic does someone's life have to get before they lower themselves to that?  And other than good sense, what do you think you're spiting, exactly?
 
2013-04-30 09:04:00 AM  

heinekenftw: Because the GOP is in the pocket of Big Oil, which denies green energy to try to keep people hooked onto fossil fuels for as long as possible.  This is why we can't get any alternative fuel car to be successful.  Car companies talk about hydrogen cell cars for a decade but I wonder if it's just talk to try to make themselves look good in front of environmentalists.

And so this culture of supporting Big Oil filters down to other technologies.  Because, as a conservative, you're suppose to "hate" non-oil, non-gas technologies, you're suppose to hate anything labeled "green" or "energy efficient."  This paranoia then spreads to stupid things like lightbulbs.

This hatred grows even stronger due to the liberal insistence that global warming is a man made problem and Big Oil's insistence that it is not (regardless of what one Koch-funded research claims.)  Big Oil will lose their profits if people switch to alternative energy sources so they do whatever they can to downplay or even outright deny that global warming is a real thing.  And so again, this increases the hate against anything labeled "green" or "energy efficient," thus creating an irrational hatred of lightbulbs.


ITS A CONSPIRACY!

Its a good thing we live not in a world of partisanship or else something like that would be much worse
 
2013-04-30 09:06:21 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: cman: LouDobbsAwaaaay: cman: They wont buy them out of spite. I felt the same way for quite some time.

I'd be suspicious that this was just a "look how stupid I am!" troll, but it's you.

Who pissed in your tea this morning?

C'mon.  You buy lightbulbs out of spite?  How pathetic does someone's life have to get before they lower themselves to that?  And other than good sense, what do you think you're spiting, exactly?


I also once believed that global warming did not exist

I was very partisan at that point. I felt that buying those types of green products gave the left a bit of an edge. This is the mindset that is plaguing America.
 
2013-04-30 09:07:04 AM  
If it benefits me, I'm all for it. But if it benefits other people too? Forget about it!
 
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