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2013-04-30 10:01:48 AM
7 votes:

ausfahrk: True story:  When I was 12, I was called into the principal's office at school and told that my older cousin had committed suicide.  He was the product of a normal family who attended the Lutheran church in our small town, but he took his life at the end of a two-year slide that started with him renouncing his faith in God, in which he participated in sins and excesses of increasingly disturbing character.  Some of these included smoking marihuana, taking the innocence of his girlfriend, and stealing money from his parents to spend at the gambling parlour.  When he finally killed himself, I actually felt relieved because I knew it was the end of the suffering he'd put us through, even though he was likely headed to damnation.  Upon dissection of the corpse, they found that he had a developmental defect in his brain that caused him to be missing a large portion of his forebrain, and I can only imagine that it was related to the "area of faith" mentioned in the article.


So god made him and then gave him a tumor, which caused him to leave the faith, sin and they kill himself condemning him to eternal damnation.
God is kind of a dick.
2013-04-30 09:55:19 AM
7 votes:
Generally, I find that religious people are missing the section of their brain for logic and reason.
2013-04-30 10:06:35 AM
6 votes:
"No man ever believes that the bible means what it says. He is always convinced that the bible means what he says."

-George Bernard Shaw

I was one of those people, until a Buddhist asked me one day, "Why do you worship a deity of whom you have lower standard of expectations of than you would have of a 16 y/o babysitter?" I then sat down and read the entire bible as a complete book, and was never the same again.

The only thing that autism has in common with atheism is an extremely low tolerance for bullshiat.
2013-04-30 10:12:53 AM
5 votes:
Temple Grandin, a well known and renowned person with autism would like a word...

From her book "Thinking in Pictures"

I develop my views from the existing pool of knowledge and I will adapt my views when I learn more. The only permanent view that I have is that there is a God. My views are based on the basic fundamental laws of nature and physics that I am now aware of. As man learns more about his environment I will change my theory to accommodate the new knowledge. Religion should be dynamic and always advancing, not in a state of stagnation.
2013-04-30 09:38:16 AM
5 votes:
Yeah yeah, and religious experiences are a form of schizophrenia.

Equating "disagrees with me" with "has mental problems, because how else could they?" reveals far more about the speaker's psychological state than that of the people they are speculating about.
2013-04-30 10:16:23 AM
4 votes:
Ok I found a study.

Religious Belief Systems of Persons with High Functioning Autism (PDF)


Abstract



The cognitive science of religion is a new field which explains religious belief as emerging from normal cognitive processes such as inferring others' mental states, agency detection and imposing patterns on noise. This paper investigates the proposal that individual differences in belief will reflect cognitive processing styles, with high functioning autism being an extreme style that will predispose towards nonbelief (atheism and agnosticism). This view was supported by content analysis of discussion forums about religion on an autism website (covering 192 unique posters), and by a survey that included 61 persons with HFA. Persons with autistic spectrum disorder were much more likely than those in our neurotypical comparison group to identify as atheist or agnostic, and, if religious, were more likely to construct their own religious belief system. Nonbelief was also higher in those who were attracted to systemizing activities, as measured by the Systemizing Quotient.
2013-04-30 09:50:08 AM
4 votes:

ausfahrk: True story:  When I was 12, I was called into the principal's office at school and told that my older cousin had committed suicide.  He was the product of a normal family who attended the Lutheran church in our small town, but he took his life at the end of a two-year slide that started with him renouncing his faith in God, in which he participated in sins and excesses of increasingly disturbing character.  Some of these included smoking marihuana, taking the innocence of his girlfriend, and stealing money from his parents to spend at the gambling parlour.  When he finally killed himself, I actually felt relieved because I knew it was the end of the suffering he'd put us through, even though he was likely headed to damnation.  Upon dissection of the corpse, they found that he had a developmental defect in his brain that caused him to be missing a large portion of his forebrain, and I can only imagine that it was related to the "area of faith" mentioned in the article.


7/10
Nice use of old timey language.
2013-04-30 09:49:31 AM
4 votes:
So now people who don't believe in God are brain damaged?

This trend of dehumanizing those who we disagree with has to stop. It's not possible to find a middle ground with someone who you believe to be sub-human.
2013-04-30 11:02:39 AM
3 votes:
So according to this guy, religion is a side-effect of brain chemistry and has nothing to do with whether or not there's actually a higher power?

Does... does he even realize that he just asserted that his belief in god is likely incorrect?
2013-04-30 10:36:47 AM
3 votes:
Given the vast size and scope of the known universe, from the smallest of atomic particles to the largest of the galactic superclusters. Being a person can be a wicked mind trip. Even at human scales, a planet with 6 billion people can be overwhelming. Especially when you consider that most of those 6 billion people are mean and have no regard for you at all. and a significant number of them even want you dead.

As a way to cope with it all, talking with an imaginary friend is cool with me. It is a perfectly valid strategy for dealing with the universe, and I have used it myself once in a while. It is even okay to form "imaginary friend club" with like minded people. Perhaps your club can do something to better the community.

But remember the rule: Don't make me talk to your imaginary friend, and I wont make you talk to mine.
2013-04-30 10:33:52 AM
3 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: My kid loves church but doesn't get the whole god is there but you can't see him thing.

Can he see the wind? Can he see infrared light? Are television signals visible as they travel over wires?


With the right equipment, yes. Still a no on the God front, unless you have a super Godometer 9000, we can't afford such luxuries here.
2013-04-30 10:22:54 AM
3 votes:
Good people are good regardless of their religious beliefs (or lack there of). If somebody stops being good because they found out you don't share the same beliefs, they are kind of a dick.

That's not to say you can't call people out on their personal brand of bullshiat, but do it in a way that respects the fact they are a fellow human being.
2013-04-30 10:19:09 AM
3 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: He has a point. When you remove emotion from the equation and let logic take charge, belief in deities seems weird and incongruent with a universe predicated on examinable physical laws.

But humans are not purely logical creatures. Along with our logical minds, we are burdened with our emotional mind as well. Except in the case of autistic children, of course. They are emotionally crippled, for better or worse. As far as atheism goes, for the better, obviously.


Only if those "examinable physical laws" are strictly determinative, which they are not. I'm autistic (properly diagnosed, not one of those self-diagnosed fakers) and am still religious. I'm not an Evangelical Christian, Wahabbi Muslim, or other fundie, but I am a member of an organized Church. My choice, my faith. I could be wrong, and the atheists could be right, but I don't lose sleep over that. It's only the truly stupid and egotistical who get their panties severely in the bunch over the idea that someone else might have a different belief about God than ones own belief. What will God do with the unbelievers? That's His prerogative, not mine. If He wants, he can give everybody a Mulligan. It doesn't have to be fair, He's God.  Yes, it sucks, but reality sucks whether you're a believer or an atheist. I'll live my suckage, you'll live your suckage. I'll ask God to give you a freebie, so long as you're not harming others. Why not? In my little religious shared narrative, nobody actually deserves salvation, anyway, so there's nothing at all wrong with hoping God will let in just about everybody (maybe with a few selfish exceptions for pedophiles, murderers, dictators, etc.)

In my own particular case, adopting religion has improved my behavior and treatment of others. I must sadly admit that there are people of my acquaintance who probably would have been better off being atheists--and this would include the state/fate of their immortal souls.

No, this has not been a sophisticated troll. It's just one of those rare occasions when a reasonable and religious person pipes up to remind the extremist fanatics of all stripes that we do exist, and that we pretty much just wish to be left to our lives while you are left to yours. Our flavor of God is expected to be fully Just and fully Merciful, thus, He will sort it all out correctly, but we don't have the right to dictate to Him how He is going to do it.
2013-04-30 10:01:03 AM
3 votes:
I am so farking sick of crazy people I could scream.  Stop trying to fark everything up just because you're a superstitious simpleton!
2013-04-30 09:51:57 AM
3 votes:
This ranks right up there with "fan death because the blades chop up the oxygen" in the competition to see how ridiculous a claim you can get people to buy by ascribing it to anonymous "researchers".
2013-04-30 09:50:24 AM
3 votes:
This just in autistic people are more sane than less evolved social monkeys.
2013-04-30 09:49:56 AM
3 votes:

ausfahrk: True story:  When I was 12, I was called into the principal's office at school and told that my older cousin had committed suicide.  He was the product of a normal family who attended the Lutheran church in our small town, but he took his life at the end of a two-year slide that started with him renouncing his faith in God, in which he participated in sins and excesses of increasingly disturbing character.  Some of these included smoking marihuana, taking the innocence of his girlfriend, and stealing money from his parents to spend at the gambling parlour.  When he finally killed himself, I actually felt relieved because I knew it was the end of the suffering he'd put us through, even though he was likely headed to damnation.  Upon dissection of the corpse, they found that he had a developmental defect in his brain that caused him to be missing a large portion of his forebrain, and I can only imagine that it was related to the "area of faith" mentioned in the article.


PocketNinja? Is this your sock puppet for your less funny material?
2013-04-30 01:34:35 PM
2 votes:

Space Station Wagon: ausfahrk: True story:  When I was 12, I was called into the principal's office at school and told that my older cousin had committed suicide.  He was the product of a normal family who attended the Lutheran church in our small town, but he took his life at the end of a two-year slide that started with him renouncing his faith in God, in which he participated in sins and excesses of increasingly disturbing character.  Some of these included smoking marihuana, taking the innocence of his girlfriend, and stealing money from his parents to spend at the gambling parlour.  When he finally killed himself, I actually felt relieved because I knew it was the end of the suffering he'd put us through, even though he was likely headed to damnation.  Upon dissection of the corpse, they found that he had a developmental defect in his brain that caused him to be missing a large portion of his forebrain, and I can only imagine that it was related to the "area of faith" mentioned in the article.

So god made him and then gave him a tumor, which caused him to leave the faith, sin and they kill himself condemning him to eternal damnation.
God is kind of a dick.


God is ALWAYS a dick. But he loves you, and he *needs* your money.
2013-04-30 11:36:55 AM
2 votes:

Space Station Wagon: ausfahrk: True story:  When I was 12, I was called into the principal's office at school and told that my older cousin had committed suicide.  He was the product of a normal family who attended the Lutheran church in our small town, but he took his life at the end of a two-year slide that started with him renouncing his faith in God, in which he participated in sins and excesses of increasingly disturbing character.  Some of these included smoking marihuana, taking the innocence of his girlfriend, and stealing money from his parents to spend at the gambling parlour.  When he finally killed himself, I actually felt relieved because I knew it was the end of the suffering he'd put us through, even though he was likely headed to damnation.  Upon dissection of the corpse, they found that he had a developmental defect in his brain that caused him to be missing a large portion of his forebrain, and I can only imagine that it was related to the "area of faith" mentioned in the article.

So god made him and then gave him a tumor, which caused him to leave the faith, sin and they kill himself condemning him to eternal damnation.
God is kind of a dick.


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Are you sure it was a tumor?
2013-04-30 11:08:28 AM
2 votes:
So if autism is a form of atheism, and atheism is a religion, then religion is a form of autism!

/mind blown
2013-04-30 11:08:16 AM
2 votes:

Reverend Monkeypants: My brother is autistic and has a serious problem with this because he believes the fark out of god and church and jesus.  He  almost went full... uh... retard and we had to dig the Jehovah's Witness BS out of his hands.


That's my brother, I worry about him constantly, he's easily lead.
2013-04-30 11:08:04 AM
2 votes:

MustTryHarder: ausfahrk: True story:  When I was 12, I was called into the principal's office at school and told that my older cousin had committed suicide.  He was the product of a normal family who attended the Lutheran church in our small town, but he took his life at the end of a two-year slide that started with him renouncing his faith in God, in which he participated in sins and excesses of increasingly disturbing character.  Some of these included smoking marihuana, taking the innocence of his girlfriend, and stealing money from his parents to spend at the gambling parlour.  When he finally killed himself, I actually felt relieved because I knew it was the end of the suffering he'd put us through, even though he was likely headed to damnation.  Upon dissection of the corpse, they found that he had a developmental defect in his brain that caused him to be missing a large portion of his forebrain, and I can only imagine that it was related to the "area of faith" mentioned in the article.

Uh huh


I particularly enjoyed the use of the world "parlour". +1 gold star!
2013-04-30 11:04:27 AM
2 votes:

Yogimus: ausfahrk: caused him to be missing a large portion of his forebrain,

Did he shoot himself in the head?


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2013-04-30 10:51:13 AM
2 votes:
I googled "aspergers" once because I suspect my inept supervisor has it. One of the search results was a link to some Christian forum discussing whether autism was a form on demonic possession. I feel so so sorry for any autistic child belonging to any of those religeous freaks.
2013-04-30 10:40:40 AM
2 votes:

Raw_fishFood: Good people are good regardless of their religious beliefs (or lack there of). If somebody stops being good because they found out you don't share the same beliefs, they are kind of a dick.

That's not to say you can't call people out on their personal brand of bullshiat, but do it in a way that respects the fact they are a fellow human being.


What do you say to a guy that's 35 and still thinks there's a Tooth Fairy?
2013-04-30 10:35:03 AM
2 votes:
Horse shiat, I have aspergers, I believe in a god, not a christian god, my own god, I find christianity too illogical to get behind, don't need some arrogant twerp telling me how to believe.
2013-04-30 10:34:51 AM
2 votes:
Autistic children are atheists, he said, "due to a lack of a section for faith social conformity and inhibitions about calling bullshiat when presented with bullshiatin their brains."
2013-04-30 10:17:06 AM
2 votes:

alizeran: tetsoushima: [www.epicgifs.net image 720x480]
Achievement Unlocked.

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FAKE!  The ducks aren't lined up together!  Hell, even the shoes aren't matching.
2013-04-30 10:15:27 AM
2 votes:
My brother is autistic and has a serious problem with this because he believes the fark out of god and church and jesus.  He  almost went full... uh... retard and we had to dig the Jehovah's Witness BS out of his hands.
2013-04-30 10:06:44 AM
2 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: He has a point. When you remove emotion from the equation and let logic take charge, belief in deities seems weird and incongruent with a universe predicated on examinable physical laws.

But humans are not purely logical creatures. Along with our logical minds, we are burdened with our emotional mind as well. Except in the case of autistic children, of course. They are emotionally crippled, for better or worse. As far as atheism goes, for the better, obviously.


Autistic kids aren't emotionally crippled man.  My nephew is autistic, but he loves his sister and mother and grandparents and uncles, tells jokes (that are amazingly clever and funny for a 6 year old), loves robots, mario and superheroes, and in many ways is pretty much a normal kid.  He's got issues, but he's gotten way better with treatment and a huge part of that has been diet and supplements.  Autism for some may be an almost completely treatable condition.
2013-04-30 10:05:23 AM
2 votes:
Non-story.

Stupid person with a sociology degree says stupid things ... film at 11.
2013-04-30 10:01:51 AM
2 votes:
He claims "Researchers in the USA and Canada say that atheism is a different form of autism." I can't find it and my form of autism makes me very good at finding.
2013-04-30 09:58:38 AM
2 votes:
"According to Kaya whose degree is in sociology"

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2013-04-30 09:57:55 AM
2 votes:

Private_Citizen: So now people who don't believe in God are brain damaged?

This trend of dehumanizing those who we disagree with has to stop. It's not possible to find a middle ground with someone who you believe to be sub-human.


Ultra religious people also may have some brain damage (i.e temporal lobe/hippocampus damage).  You can google it.
2013-04-30 09:55:00 AM
2 votes:
2013-04-30 09:49:42 AM
2 votes:
I'm pretty much agnostic, My wife is devoutly athiestic.

However, our 15 year old son is now devoutely Christian (he's never sure one which flavor).  He is also Autistic (and a long litany of other disorders).

We dont take it too serriously however.  Why just last week he was absolutely sure pokemon were real.

/technically he was born jewish, so all over the map.
2013-04-30 09:48:57 AM
2 votes:
i guess god gave autistic kids a disease so they wouldn't believe in him then?
2013-04-30 09:46:07 AM
2 votes:
True story:  When I was 12, I was called into the principal's office at school and told that my older cousin had committed suicide.  He was the product of a normal family who attended the Lutheran church in our small town, but he took his life at the end of a two-year slide that started with him renouncing his faith in God, in which he participated in sins and excesses of increasingly disturbing character.  Some of these included smoking marihuana, taking the innocence of his girlfriend, and stealing money from his parents to spend at the gambling parlour.  When he finally killed himself, I actually felt relieved because I knew it was the end of the suffering he'd put us through, even though he was likely headed to damnation.  Upon dissection of the corpse, they found that he had a developmental defect in his brain that caused him to be missing a large portion of his forebrain, and I can only imagine that it was related to the "area of faith" mentioned in the article.
2013-04-30 09:41:57 AM
2 votes:
He has a point. When you remove emotion from the equation and let logic take charge, belief in deities seems weird and incongruent with a universe predicated on examinable physical laws.

But humans are not purely logical creatures. Along with our logical minds, we are burdened with our emotional mind as well. Except in the case of autistic children, of course. They are emotionally crippled, for better or worse. As far as atheism goes, for the better, obviously.
2013-04-30 09:40:46 AM
2 votes:
Technically if you haven't considered the question of God then you are by definition an atheist....
2013-04-30 08:01:42 AM
2 votes:
I'm buying stock in popcorn for this one.
2013-04-30 04:35:56 PM
1 votes:

ciberido: stampylives: Ennuipoet: [www.imglols.com image 570x423]

Don't tell the Fundies this, they will be trying to cure atheists like the "cure" teh gheys.

ummmm.... they been trying that for thousands of years.

I guess trying to force people into taking "religion vaccinations" is better than forcing them into iron maidens, so hey, chalk this up as progress.


Iron Maiden?

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2013-04-30 03:58:10 PM
1 votes:
Alternatively:
Faith is a throwback to early humanity when superstitions were necessary for survival of the group. Therefore, atheists are more highly evolved.
2013-04-30 02:00:40 PM
1 votes:
Oh my f*cking god this moran is  actually in charge of autistic children. Why the hell is he not fired yet?
2013-04-30 01:31:24 PM
1 votes:

SheltemDragon: Silly_Sot: AverageAmericanGuy: He has a point. When you remove emotion from the equation and let logic take charge, belief in deities seems weird and incongruent with a universe predicated on examinable physical laws.

But humans are not purely logical creatures. Along with our logical minds, we are burdened with our emotional mind as well. Except in the case of autistic children, of course. They are emotionally crippled, for better or worse. As far as atheism goes, for the better, obviously.

Only if those "examinable physical laws" are strictly determinative, which they are not. I'm autistic (properly diagnosed, not one of those self-diagnosed fakers) and am still religious. I'm not an Evangelical Christian, Wahabbi Muslim, or other fundie, but I am a member of an organized Church. My choice, my faith. I could be wrong, and the atheists could be right, but I don't lose sleep over that. It's only the truly stupid and egotistical who get their panties severely in the bunch over the idea that someone else might have a different belief about God than ones own belief. What will God do with the unbelievers? That's His prerogative, not mine. If He wants, he can give everybody a Mulligan. It doesn't have to be fair, He's God.  Yes, it sucks, but reality sucks whether you're a believer or an atheist. I'll live my suckage, you'll live your suckage. I'll ask God to give you a freebie, so long as you're not harming others. Why not? In my little religious shared narrative, nobody actually deserves salvation, anyway, so there's nothing at all wrong with hoping God will let in just about everybody (maybe with a few selfish exceptions for pedophiles, murderers, dictators, etc.)

In my own particular case, adopting religion has improved my behavior and treatment of others. I must sadly admit that there are people of my acquaintance who probably would have been better off being atheists--and this would include the state/fate of their immortal souls.

No, this has not been a sophist ...


I like you're philosophy.

I came to the conclusion that we are God's SIMs game that has been ignored for years.
2013-04-30 01:17:51 PM
1 votes:

neversubmit: Ok I found a study.

Religious Belief Systems of Persons with High Functioning Autism (PDF)


Abstract


The cognitive science of religion is a new field which explains religious belief as emerging from normal cognitive processes such as inferring others' mental states, agency detection and imposing patterns on noise. This paper investigates the proposal that individual differences in belief will reflect cognitive processing styles, with high functioning autism being an extreme style that will predispose towards nonbelief (atheism and agnosticism). This view was supported by content analysis of discussion forums about religion on an autism website (covering 192 unique posters), and by a survey that included 61 persons with HFA. Persons with autistic spectrum disorder were much more likely than those in our neurotypical comparison group to identify as atheist or agnostic, and, if religious, were more likely to construct their own religious belief system. Nonbelief was also higher in those who were attracted to systemizing activities, as measured by the Systemizing Quotient.


Correlation hrmphhrmphhrmph causation, etc.  I could interpret the same data as autism, having been found to affect socialization, causes autistics not to require the social support system that modern religions provide, hence the predisposition for atheism and or agnosticism and the construction of their own religious belief system.
2013-04-30 12:52:15 PM
1 votes:

HAMMERTOE: "No man ever believes that the bible means what it says. He is always convinced that the bible means what he says."

-George Bernard Shaw

I was one of those people, until a Buddhist asked me one day, "Why do you worship a deity of whom you have lower standard of expectations of than you would have of a 16 y/o babysitter?" I then sat down and read the entire bible as a complete book, and was never the same again.

The only thing that autism has in common with atheism is an extremely low tolerance for bullshiat.


Funny, the line I was given was 13.  Of course, I was around that age at the time and talking to myself, but simply asking myself why there's such a lower standard for god than your average 13 year old really helped me move away from faith in general.  It wasn't the tipping point, but it did set me on the road.
2013-04-30 12:48:39 PM
1 votes:
I haven't read all of the posts yet, but wanted to throw this in...

Aren't all children born atheists?  Don't all children require "methods of therapy" in order to be indoctrinated into believing in god?
2013-04-30 12:11:25 PM
1 votes:

HAMMERTOE: How likely/ unlikely is it that an autistic child will have an imaginary friend of any kind?

Correlation?


As an HFA I can say, fairly unlikely. Cognition of something that isn't there can be a difficult concept for an autistic youth.

All of any group doesn't do the same thing, ever. Broad sweeping statements are indicative of a lack of dynamic thinking capacity. My personal religious beliefs would have the author of the article in a right tizzy, which would be a lot of fun to watch.
2013-04-30 11:54:59 AM
1 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: Revek: AverageAmericanGuy: Carn: AverageAmericanGuy: He has a point. When you remove emotion from the equation and let logic take charge, belief in deities seems weird and incongruent with a universe predicated on examinable physical laws.

But humans are not purely logical creatures. Along with our logical minds, we are burdened with our emotional mind as well. Except in the case of autistic children, of course. They are emotionally crippled, for better or worse. As far as atheism goes, for the better, obviously.

Autistic kids aren't emotionally crippled man.  My nephew is autistic, but he loves his sister and mother and grandparents and uncles, tells jokes (that are amazingly clever and funny for a 6 year old), loves robots, mario and superheroes, and in many ways is pretty much a normal kid.  He's got issues, but he's gotten way better with treatment and a huge part of that has been diet and supplements.  Autism for some may be an almost completely treatable condition.

Well, it's a spectrum disease. There are many with mild autism who are likely as not to find salvation in Jesus. And there are those who would not accept the existence of God if their souls depended on it.

I'm glad to hear your nephew is on the mild end of the spectrum.

My kid loves church but doesn't get the whole god is there but you can't see him thing.

Can he see the wind? Can he see infrared light? Are television signals visible as they travel over wires?


No but he can see the pictures and has a understanding of electricity which does have observable phenomena.  He also enjoys pointing the remote at the webcam and looking at the light coming from the remote.
2013-04-30 11:48:19 AM
1 votes:
I am a devout Methodist, and my autistic son goes to Sunday School every week, but I don't look for him to be religious when he grows up. It just seems like he isn't going to be able to grasp an abstract concept like the Trinity. I'm not even sure I grasp it. He asks a lot of questions about religion (mostly when trying to delay going to sleep at night) but I make sure to tell him that everyone doesn't believe the same thing, and some people don't believe anything, and that's okay. It appears to me that even if one was a hell fire and brimstone fundamentalist, one would assume God gives autistics a pass, seeing as how He is the one who made them so literal-minded.
2013-04-30 11:36:45 AM
1 votes:

ciberido: 8/10 for hitting just the right tone of concern and maintaining it until the end.


Almost everyone is giving this guy high marks but he got almost no bites.

Taking the word troll back to its roots in fishing ... if a guy is trolling and comes home with no fish then he was a failure. No matter how good he looked doing it.

I give him a 2/10.
2013-04-30 11:34:18 AM
1 votes:

ausfahrk: True story:  When I was 12, I was called into the principal's office at school and told that my older cousin had committed suicide.  He was the product of a normal family who attended the Lutheran church in our small town, but he took his life at the end of a two-year slide that started with him renouncing his faith in God, in which he participated in sins and excesses of increasingly disturbing character.  Some of these included smoking marihuana, taking the innocence of his girlfriend, and stealing money from his parents to spend at the gambling parlour.  When he finally killed himself, I actually felt relieved because I knew it was the end of the suffering he'd put us through, even though he was likely headed to damnation.  Upon dissection of the corpse, they found that he had a developmental defect in his brain that caused him to be missing a large portion of his forebrain, and I can only imagine that it was related to the "area of faith" mentioned in the article.


8/10 for hitting just the right tone of concern and maintaining it until the end.
2013-04-30 11:33:05 AM
1 votes:

van1ty: Technically if you haven't considered the question of God then you are by definition an atheist....


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I wonder if it's possible to be an agnostic and an atheist at the same time?
2013-04-30 11:23:21 AM
1 votes:

doubled99: This is the thread where people find a random weirdo  with a farked up opinion about something scientific, then mock them by citing their own ignorance of the subject.




Besides you, how many Farkers are neurologists?
2013-04-30 11:22:20 AM
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jso2897: Dead for Tax Reasons: i guess god gave autistic kids a disease so they wouldn't believe in him then?

Well, that's pretty much the way He rolls.
Don't be hatin'.


So if god makes it so that it's physically impossible to believe in him and then sends you to hell for not believing in him then he just sounds like a total asshole.
2013-04-30 11:13:55 AM
1 votes:

xoxo: I googled "aspergers" once because I suspect my inept supervisor has it. One of the search results was a link to some Christian forum discussing whether autism was a form on demonic possession. I feel so so sorry for any autistic child belonging to any of those religeous freaks.


My mom took me to a Pentecostal church because I was having "fits".
2013-04-30 11:13:08 AM
1 votes:

It's pronounced pacKAGE: So if autism is a form of atheism, and atheism is a religion, then religion is a form of autism!

/mind blown


Religion = Superstition + $$$$$
2013-04-30 11:11:39 AM
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Silly_Sot: AverageAmericanGuy: He has a point. When you remove emotion from the equation and let logic take charge, belief in deities seems weird and incongruent with a universe predicated on examinable physical laws.

But humans are not purely logical creatures. Along with our logical minds, we are burdened with our emotional mind as well. Except in the case of autistic children, of course. They are emotionally crippled, for better or worse. As far as atheism goes, for the better, obviously.

Only if those "examinable physical laws" are strictly determinative, which they are not. I'm autistic (properly diagnosed, not one of those self-diagnosed fakers) and am still religious. I'm not an Evangelical Christian, Wahabbi Muslim, or other fundie, but I am a member of an organized Church. My choice, my faith. I could be wrong, and the atheists could be right, but I don't lose sleep over that. It's only the truly stupid and egotistical who get their panties severely in the bunch over the idea that someone else might have a different belief about God than ones own belief. What will God do with the unbelievers? That's His prerogative, not mine. If He wants, he can give everybody a Mulligan. It doesn't have to be fair, He's God.  Yes, it sucks, but reality sucks whether you're a believer or an atheist. I'll live my suckage, you'll live your suckage. I'll ask God to give you a freebie, so long as you're not harming others. Why not? In my little religious shared narrative, nobody actually deserves salvation, anyway, so there's nothing at all wrong with hoping God will let in just about everybody (maybe with a few selfish exceptions for pedophiles, murderers, dictators, etc.)

In my own particular case, adopting religion has improved my behavior and treatment of others. I must sadly admit that there are people of my acquaintance who probably would have been better off being atheists--and this would include the state/fate of their immortal souls.

No, this has not been a sophisticated troll. It's just one of those rare occasions when a reasonable and religious person pipes up to remind the extremist fanatics of all stripes that we do exist, and that we pretty much just wish to be left to our lives while you are left to yours. Our flavor of God is expected to be fully Just and fully Merciful, thus, He will sort it all out correctly, but we don't have the right to dictate to Him how He is going to do it.


That goes both ways as well. I'm an atheist and consider the idea of religion to be silly, but I consider religion to be a logical choice in light of life's nonsense. I wish I could believe, but nothing has convinced me that any religion is true.

I think moderate atheists/religious people are starting to get fed up with the extreme athiest/fundamentalist voices which tend to be the loudest.
2013-04-30 11:10:49 AM
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chrylis: StrangeQ: in Adana, Turkey.

Yeah, how about coming back when the source isn't from a part of the world still trying to pull itself out of the middle ages?

About half of Turkey is trying to pull itself back into the middle ages.  Turkey used to be fairly secular and has been getting more formally Islamic in recent years.


Had a blast in that country. It was soooooooo cheap the first time I went. 4 people eating and drinking for $10 or less. Free beer while shopping. Sometimes a kick-ass Doner. Handmade wool rug shipped back for free.

/vet
2013-04-30 11:10:07 AM
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duffblue 2013-04-30 09:32:16 AM
Atheism is a logical fallacy.

If atheism is a logical fallacy, it does not follow that theism is not a logical fallacy.
2013-04-30 10:59:00 AM
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mongbiohazard: ausfahrk: True story:  When I was 12, I was called into the principal's office at school and told that my older cousin had committed suicide.  He was the product of a normal family who attended the Lutheran church in our small town, but he took his life at the end of a two-year slide that started with him renouncing his faith in God, in which he participated in sins and excesses of increasingly disturbing character.  Some of these included smoking marihuana, taking the innocence of his girlfriend, and stealing money from his parents to spend at the gambling parlour.  When he finally killed himself, I actually felt relieved because I knew it was the end of the suffering he'd put us through, even though he was likely headed to damnation.  Upon dissection of the corpse, they found that he had a developmental defect in his brain that caused him to be missing a large portion of his forebrain, and I can only imagine that it was related to the "area of faith" mentioned in the article.

Now THAT'S a master trolling attempt. You didn't get many bites, but not for lack of trying!
9/10


'Gambling parlour' pushed it just a little bit too far.
2013-04-30 10:56:25 AM
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ausfahrk: True story:  When I was 12, I was called into the principal's office at school and told that my older cousin had committed suicide.  He was the product of a normal family who attended the Lutheran church in our small town, but he took his life at the end of a two-year slide that started with him renouncing his faith in God, in which he participated in sins and excesses of increasingly disturbing character.  Some of these included smoking marihuana, taking the innocence of his girlfriend, and stealing money from his parents to spend at the gambling parlour.  When he finally killed himself, I actually felt relieved because I knew it was the end of the suffering he'd put us through, even though he was likely headed to damnation.  Upon dissection of the corpse, they found that he had a developmental defect in his brain that caused him to be missing a large portion of his forebrain, and I can only imagine that it was related to the "area of faith" mentioned in the article.


And that's the news from Lake Woebegone, where all the women are strong, the men are good looking, and the children are above average.
Ant
2013-04-30 10:55:28 AM
1 votes:
All mentally retarded kids are fundamentalists and fundamentalism is a form of mental retardation.
2013-04-30 10:54:03 AM
1 votes:

squibbits: I get it. Every time someone says something asinine, let's publish it so it pisses a lot of people off.gets a bunch of page views

2013-04-30 10:50:23 AM
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AverageAmericanGuy: Can he see the wind? Can he see infrared light? Are television signals visible as they travel over wires?


Yes, yes, and yes.

Still can't see god, though.
2013-04-30 10:46:46 AM
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PsyLord: alizeran: tetsoushima: [www.epicgifs.net image 720x480]
Achievement Unlocked.

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FAKE!  The ducks aren't lined up together!  Hell, even the shoes aren't matching.


I thought the same thing. My daughter's organization skills would put that kid to shame. She does great in school, has plenty of friends and is one of the happiest kids I know - as long as you don't mess with her while she's arranging things.
2013-04-30 10:41:31 AM
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ausfahrk: True story:  When I was 12, I was called into the principal's office at school and told that my older cousin had committed suicide.  He was the product of a normal family who attended the Lutheran church in our small town, but he took his life at the end of a two-year slide that started with him renouncing his faith in God, in which he participated in sins and excesses of increasingly disturbing character.  Some of these included smoking marihuana, taking the innocence of his girlfriend, and stealing money from his parents to spend at the gambling parlour.  When he finally killed himself, I actually felt relieved because I knew it was the end of the suffering he'd put us through, even though he was likely headed to damnation.  Upon dissection of the corpse, they found that he had a developmental defect in his brain that caused him to be missing a large portion of his forebrain, and I can only imagine that it was related to the "area of faith" mentioned in the article.


Now THAT'S a master trolling attempt. You didn't get many bites, but not for lack of trying!
9/10
hej
2013-04-30 10:41:07 AM
1 votes:

ausfahrk: True story:  When I was 12, I was called into the principal's office at school and told that my older cousin had committed suicide.  He was the product of a normal family who attended the Lutheran church in our small town, but he took his life at the end of a two-year slide that started with him renouncing his faith in God, in which he participated in sins and excesses of increasingly disturbing character.  Some of these included smoking marihuana, taking the innocence of his girlfriend, and stealing money from his parents to spend at the gambling parlour.  When he finally killed himself, I actually felt relieved because I knew it was the end of the suffering he'd put us through, even though he was likely headed to damnation.  Upon dissection of the corpse, they found that he had a developmental defect in his brain that caused him to be missing a large portion of his forebrain, and I can only imagine that it was related to the "area of faith" mentioned in the article.


I give you an A for effort.

/Shouldn't it be an E for effort?
2013-04-30 10:31:33 AM
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Revek: AverageAmericanGuy: Carn:
Well, it's a spectrum disease. There are many with mild autism who are likely as not to find salvation in Jesus. And there are those who would not accept the existence of God if their souls depended on it.

I'm glad to hear your nephew is on the mild end of the spectrum.

My kid loves church but doesn't get the whole god is there but you can't see him thing.


My kid thinks god controls magic, and thus can be propitiated for cool shiat. :P
2013-04-30 10:28:56 AM
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Carn: AverageAmericanGuy: Carn: AverageAmericanGuy: He has a point. When you remove emotion from the equation and let logic take charge, belief in deities seems weird and incongruent with a universe predicated on examinable physical laws.

But humans are not purely logical creatures. Along with our logical minds, we are burdened with our emotional mind as well. Except in the case of autistic children, of course. They are emotionally crippled, for better or worse. As far as atheism goes, for the better, obviously.

Autistic kids aren't emotionally crippled man.  My nephew is autistic, but he loves his sister and mother and grandparents and uncles, tells jokes (that are amazingly clever and funny for a 6 year old), loves robots, mario and superheroes, and in many ways is pretty much a normal kid.  He's got issues, but he's gotten way better with treatment and a huge part of that has been diet and supplements.  Autism for some may be an almost completely treatable condition.

Well, it's a spectrum disease. There are many with mild autism who are likely as not to find salvation in Jesus. And there are those who would not accept the existence of God if their souls depended on it.

I'm glad to hear your nephew is on the mild end of the spectrum.

True and true.  After seeing his transformation I can firmly say that early detection and treatment are very important.  My nephew went from basically non-verbal to "Hi Uncle Carn!  How are you today?!" in a period of months.


Stories like yours gives me a lot of hope. We know that people are lining up at the government's behest to get their kids vaccinated for access to school and summer camps. If autism is indeed treatable, that's one fewer reason to avoid getting the shots.

Obviously not all cases of autism are caused by such things. Most cases are difficult to pin on any single event. But treatments like your nephew is in could be the difference between a life of solitude and one of joy.
2013-04-30 10:28:39 AM
1 votes:

Revek: My kid loves church but doesn't get the whole god is there but you can't see him thing.


See above re: "low tolerance for bull...."
2013-04-30 10:24:09 AM
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AverageAmericanGuy: Carn: AverageAmericanGuy: He has a point. When you remove emotion from the equation and let logic take charge, belief in deities seems weird and incongruent with a universe predicated on examinable physical laws.

But humans are not purely logical creatures. Along with our logical minds, we are burdened with our emotional mind as well. Except in the case of autistic children, of course. They are emotionally crippled, for better or worse. As far as atheism goes, for the better, obviously.

Autistic kids aren't emotionally crippled man.  My nephew is autistic, but he loves his sister and mother and grandparents and uncles, tells jokes (that are amazingly clever and funny for a 6 year old), loves robots, mario and superheroes, and in many ways is pretty much a normal kid.  He's got issues, but he's gotten way better with treatment and a huge part of that has been diet and supplements.  Autism for some may be an almost completely treatable condition.

Well, it's a spectrum disease. There are many with mild autism who are likely as not to find salvation in Jesus. And there are those who would not accept the existence of God if their souls depended on it.

I'm glad to hear your nephew is on the mild end of the spectrum.


True and true.  After seeing his transformation I can firmly say that early detection and treatment are very important.  My nephew went from basically non-verbal to "Hi Uncle Carn!  How are you today?!" in a period of months.
2013-04-30 10:22:34 AM
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How likely/ unlikely is it that an autistic child will have an imaginary friend of any kind?

Correlation?
2013-04-30 10:14:49 AM
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in Adana, Turkey.

Yeah, how about coming back when the source isn't from a part of the world still trying to pull itself out of the middle ages?
2013-04-30 10:11:23 AM
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Carn: AverageAmericanGuy: He has a point. When you remove emotion from the equation and let logic take charge, belief in deities seems weird and incongruent with a universe predicated on examinable physical laws.

But humans are not purely logical creatures. Along with our logical minds, we are burdened with our emotional mind as well. Except in the case of autistic children, of course. They are emotionally crippled, for better or worse. As far as atheism goes, for the better, obviously.

Autistic kids aren't emotionally crippled man.  My nephew is autistic, but he loves his sister and mother and grandparents and uncles, tells jokes (that are amazingly clever and funny for a 6 year old), loves robots, mario and superheroes, and in many ways is pretty much a normal kid.  He's got issues, but he's gotten way better with treatment and a huge part of that has been diet and supplements.  Autism for some may be an almost completely treatable condition.


Well, it's a spectrum disease. There are many with mild autism who are likely as not to find salvation in Jesus. And there are those who would not accept the existence of God if their souls depended on it.

I'm glad to hear your nephew is on the mild end of the spectrum.
2013-04-30 10:10:43 AM
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Dead for Tax Reasons: i guess god gave autistic kids a disease so they wouldn't believe in him then?


Well he is a loving god, our father, and wants what is best for us. Obviously autism and atheism is gods way of trying to gently push his basement dwelling children out into the real world to get a job, a girlfriend, and a life. It is an obvious sign from god that religious faith is holding back human development.
2013-04-30 10:09:57 AM
1 votes:
I get it. Every time someone says something asinine, let's publish it so it pisses a lot of people off.
2013-04-30 10:08:51 AM
1 votes:
imgs.xkcd.com
2013-04-30 10:08:04 AM
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s22.postimg.org
2013-04-30 10:06:18 AM
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Kaya added that autistic children should undergo treatment to "create areas of faith in their brain."

I've got a better idea.  How about you go fark yourself?

ausfahrk: True story:  When I was 12, I was called into the principal's office at school and told that my older cousin had committed suicide.  He was the product of a normal family who attended the Lutheran church in our small town, but he took his life at the end of a two-year slide that started with him renouncing his faith in God, in which he participated in sins and excesses of increasingly disturbing character.  Some of these included smoking marihuana, taking the innocence of his girlfriend, and stealing money from his parents to spend at the gambling parlour.  When he finally killed himself, I actually felt relieved because I knew it was the end of the suffering he'd put us through, even though he was likely headed to damnation.  Upon dissection of the corpse, they found that he had a developmental defect in his brain that caused him to be missing a large portion of his forebrain, and I can only imagine that it was related to the "area of faith" mentioned in the article.


You sound Turkish.

/what the hell, Turkey?  You used to be cool.  Ish.  Well, OK, that one guy in the 20s, but you seem to have forgotten him
2013-04-30 09:55:32 AM
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ausfahrk: When he finally killed himself, I actually felt relieved because I knew it was the end of the suffering he'd put us through, even though he was likely headed to damnation. Upon dissection of the corpse, they found that he had a developmental defect in his brain that caused him to be missing a large portion of his forebrain, and I can only imagine that it was related to the "area of faith" mentioned in the article.


I have a similar-but-different story. My sister-in-law had been crazy (Excuse me while I direct an apology at the ground. Sorry, sis.) for some time. She desperately wanted a mast to lash herself to in hopes that a sufficiently powerful magic would help her control herself and make the crazy go away. That powerful mojo ended up being religion. She didn't do excessively horrible things, but certainly a couple painful things. And when she finally quietly committed suicide, her family was relieved that it was over for her since there was really nothing they could do to help that she would accept. There was no real assumption of damnation (except perhaps in her mind), but that draw to religion was notably strong.
2013-04-30 09:54:23 AM
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ausfahrk: True story:  When I was 12, I was called into the principal's office at school and told that my older cousin had committed suicide.  He was the product of a normal family who attended the Lutheran church in our small town, but he took his life at the end of a two-year slide that started with him renouncing his faith in God, in which he participated in sins and excesses of increasingly disturbing character.  Some of these included smoking marihuana, taking the innocence of his girlfriend, and stealing money from his parents to spend at the gambling parlour.  When he finally killed himself, I actually felt relieved because I knew it was the end of the suffering he'd put us through, even though he was likely headed to damnation.  Upon dissection of the corpse, they found that he had a developmental defect in his brain that caused him to be missing a large portion of his forebrain, and I can only imagine that it was related to the "area of faith" mentioned in the article.


Uh huh
2013-04-30 09:51:50 AM
1 votes:
I like how you are broken because you can't be manipulated by horse hockey.

It's a feature.

/created in his image, eh?
2013-04-30 09:51:25 AM
1 votes:
I think he's confusing "atheism" with "objectivism" and "libertarianism".

ausfahrk: True story:  When I was 12, I was called into the principal's office at school and told that my older cousin had committed suicide.  He was the product of a normal family who attended the Lutheran church in our small town, but he took his life at the end of a two-year slide that started with him renouncing his faith in God, in which he participated in sins and excesses of increasingly disturbing character.  Some of these included smoking marihuana, taking the innocence of his girlfriend, and stealing money from his parents to spend at the gambling parlour.  When he finally killed himself, I actually felt relieved because I knew it was the end of the suffering he'd put us through, even though he was likely headed to damnation.  Upon dissection of the corpse, they found that he had a developmental defect in his brain that caused him to be missing a large portion of his forebrain, and I can only imagine that it was related to the "area of faith" mentioned in the article.


Indubitably. I would have to say that there is no question about it. In fact, there isn't any possible way you could be wrong. You are definitely correct. Definitely.
2013-04-30 09:50:51 AM
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ausfahrk: True story:  When I was 12, I was called into the principal's office at school and told that my older cousin had committed suicide.  He was the product of a normal family who attended the Lutheran church in our small town, but he took his life at the end of a two-year slide that started with him renouncing his faith in God, in which he participated in sins and excesses of increasingly disturbing character.  Some of these included smoking marihuana, taking the innocence of his girlfriend, and stealing money from his parents to spend at the gambling parlour.  When he finally killed himself, I actually felt relieved because I knew it was the end of the suffering he'd put us through, even though he was likely headed to damnation.  Upon dissection of the corpse, they found that he had a developmental defect in his brain that caused him to be missing a large portion of his forebrain, and I can only imagine that it was related to the "area of faith" mentioned in the article.


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2013-04-30 09:49:51 AM
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AverageAmericanGuy: He has a point. When you remove emotion from the equation and let logic take charge, belief in deities seems weird and incongruent with a universe predicated on examinable physical laws.

But humans are not purely logical creatures. Along with our logical minds, we are burdened with our emotional mind as well. Except in the case of autistic children, of course. They are emotionally crippled, for better or worse. As far as atheism goes, for the better, obviously.


I agree. We just need to state the direction of causation here. People with autism may be deficient in the facilities needed to embrace faith/religion/spirituality, and thus tend to be atheistic/agnostic. That does not however imply that all atheists are autistic. People become atheists/agnostics for a number of reasons.

Ironically enough, the one person I know who is a diagnosed autistic is actually very religious and has many of her social connections due to her church.
2013-04-30 09:46:30 AM
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Syllogism fail.  The premise must be true for the statement to resolve to true.

//When has that ever stopped anybody??
2013-04-30 09:45:54 AM
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www.epicgifs.net
Achievement Unlocked.
mhd
2013-04-30 09:45:02 AM
1 votes:
I'm an excellent driver.
2013-04-30 09:37:36 AM
1 votes:
TLdR


But...
There was a study that those with ADHD were fooled by Slieght of Hand Close Up Magic
to a lesser degree than normals.
Different parts of the brain in use.
So I can see Autistics being skeptical of Sky Wizards.
2013-04-30 09:37:20 AM
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FTA: Autistic children are atheists, he said, "due to a lack of a section for faith in their brains."

Autism is the tinfoil hat used by children to keep God out of their brainwaves.
2013-04-30 09:37:08 AM
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Turks and CooCoos
2013-04-30 09:34:01 AM
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So the afflicted can once again equated with the devil also?

/Good [medieval] times.
2013-04-30 09:32:52 AM
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ThatGuyGreg: Kinda early to give out the Derp of the Day award, but this is definitely in the running.


Don't tempt fate.
2013-04-30 09:32:30 AM
1 votes:
Attention whore is a religion.
2013-04-30 09:32:16 AM
1 votes:
Atheism is a logical fallacy.
2013-04-30 09:02:47 AM
1 votes:
Autoplay ads and popups killed my faith in God.
2013-04-30 08:55:40 AM
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www.imglols.com

Don't tell the Fundies this, they will be trying to cure atheists like the "cure" teh gheys.
2013-04-30 08:53:05 AM
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All Turks are foul and Turkey is a form of fowl.

/broad-brushing is fun!
2013-04-30 08:37:00 AM
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Kinda early to give out the Derp of the Day award, but this is definitely in the running.
2013-04-30 08:07:10 AM
1 votes:
Yeah, this looks legit.
 
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