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2013-04-30 09:55:32 AM

ausfahrk: When he finally killed himself, I actually felt relieved because I knew it was the end of the suffering he'd put us through, even though he was likely headed to damnation. Upon dissection of the corpse, they found that he had a developmental defect in his brain that caused him to be missing a large portion of his forebrain, and I can only imagine that it was related to the "area of faith" mentioned in the article.


I have a similar-but-different story. My sister-in-law had been crazy (Excuse me while I direct an apology at the ground. Sorry, sis.) for some time. She desperately wanted a mast to lash herself to in hopes that a sufficiently powerful magic would help her control herself and make the crazy go away. That powerful mojo ended up being religion. She didn't do excessively horrible things, but certainly a couple painful things. And when she finally quietly committed suicide, her family was relieved that it was over for her since there was really nothing they could do to help that she would accept. There was no real assumption of damnation (except perhaps in her mind), but that draw to religion was notably strong.
 
2013-04-30 09:55:40 AM
so vaccinations cause atheism then?
 
2013-04-30 09:57:55 AM

Private_Citizen: So now people who don't believe in God are brain damaged?

This trend of dehumanizing those who we disagree with has to stop. It's not possible to find a middle ground with someone who you believe to be sub-human.


Ultra religious people also may have some brain damage (i.e temporal lobe/hippocampus damage).  You can google it.
 
2013-04-30 09:58:38 AM
"According to Kaya whose degree is in sociology"

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2013-04-30 09:58:48 AM

jayessell: TLdR


But...
There was a study that those with ADHD were fooled by Slieght of Hand Close Up Magic
to a lesser degree than normals.
Different parts of the brain in use.
So I can see Autistics being skeptical of Sky Wizards.


Of course they are.
"Is this your card?"
"I'm a submarine!"
 
2013-04-30 09:58:51 AM

theorellior: FTA: Autistic children are atheists, he said, "due to a lack of a section for faith in their brains."

Autism is the tinfoil hat used by children to keep God out of their brainwaves.


Niiiiice...

/I lol'd.
 
2013-04-30 09:59:28 AM

ModernPrimitive01: so vaccinations cause atheism then?


What if someone created a vaccine for autism or (in this case) atheism?

Would the kid receiving the shot just implode?
 
2013-04-30 10:00:28 AM
You guys just don't understand the SCIENCE behind this. Jenny McCarthy does!
www.uh.edu
 
2013-04-30 10:00:34 AM

ModernPrimitive01: so vaccinations cause atheism then?


By the transitive property. . . yes.
 
2013-04-30 10:00:46 AM

Aidan: ausfahrk: When he finally killed himself, I actually felt relieved because I knew it was the end of the suffering he'd put us through, even though he was likely headed to damnation. Upon dissection of the corpse, they found that he had a developmental defect in his brain that caused him to be missing a large portion of his forebrain, and I can only imagine that it was related to the "area of faith" mentioned in the article.

I have a similar-but-different story. My sister-in-law had been crazy (Excuse me while I direct an apology at the ground. Sorry, sis.) for some time. She desperately wanted a mast to lash herself to in hopes that a sufficiently powerful magic would help her control herself and make the crazy go away. That powerful mojo ended up being religion. She didn't do excessively horrible things, but certainly a couple painful things. And when she finally quietly committed suicide, her family was relieved that it was over for her since there was really nothing they could do to help that she would accept. There was no real assumption of damnation (except perhaps in her mind), but that draw to religion was notably strong.


Probably the same disease -- She just recognized her lack of faith (of biological origin) and the behavior you saw was just her attempt to "swing back to normal".  Did they dissect her head by any chance?
 
2013-04-30 10:01:03 AM
I am so farking sick of crazy people I could scream.  Stop trying to fark everything up just because you're a superstitious simpleton!
 
2013-04-30 10:01:48 AM

ausfahrk: True story:  When I was 12, I was called into the principal's office at school and told that my older cousin had committed suicide.  He was the product of a normal family who attended the Lutheran church in our small town, but he took his life at the end of a two-year slide that started with him renouncing his faith in God, in which he participated in sins and excesses of increasingly disturbing character.  Some of these included smoking marihuana, taking the innocence of his girlfriend, and stealing money from his parents to spend at the gambling parlour.  When he finally killed himself, I actually felt relieved because I knew it was the end of the suffering he'd put us through, even though he was likely headed to damnation.  Upon dissection of the corpse, they found that he had a developmental defect in his brain that caused him to be missing a large portion of his forebrain, and I can only imagine that it was related to the "area of faith" mentioned in the article.


So god made him and then gave him a tumor, which caused him to leave the faith, sin and they kill himself condemning him to eternal damnation.
God is kind of a dick.
 
2013-04-30 10:01:51 AM
He claims "Researchers in the USA and Canada say that atheism is a different form of autism." I can't find it and my form of autism makes me very good at finding.
 
2013-04-30 10:02:56 AM
Edited out of TFA:

"Atheists? What you expect you get when two heterosexuals mate. Sometimes they produce atheists. Atheists who can't read. Who can't read the Examiner."
 
2013-04-30 10:03:39 AM
I didn't know Dr. Nick Riviera had relatives in Turkey
 
2013-04-30 10:04:51 AM
Communism?
 
2013-04-30 10:05:23 AM
Non-story.

Stupid person with a sociology degree says stupid things ... film at 11.
 
2013-04-30 10:06:16 AM

Aidan: ausfahrk: When he finally killed himself, I actually felt relieved because I knew it was the end of the suffering he'd put us through, even though he was likely headed to damnation. Upon dissection of the corpse, they found that he had a developmental defect in his brain that caused him to be missing a large portion of his forebrain, and I can only imagine that it was related to the "area of faith" mentioned in the article.

I have a similar-but-different story. My sister-in-law had been crazy (Excuse me while I direct an apology at the ground. Sorry, sis.) for some time. She desperately wanted a mast to lash herself to in hopes that a sufficiently powerful magic would help her control herself and make the crazy go away. That powerful mojo ended up being religion. She didn't do excessively horrible things, but certainly a couple painful things. And when she finally quietly committed suicide, her family was relieved that it was over for her since there was really nothing they could do to help that she would accept. There was no real assumption of damnation (except perhaps in her mind), but that draw to religion was notably strong.


Welp... on one hand, I'm happy that this thread didn't go all wharrgarbl like most of these threads.

On the other hand, I feel like I found the weird part of Fark and I need some help finding my way back to regular Fark.
 
2013-04-30 10:06:18 AM
Kaya added that autistic children should undergo treatment to "create areas of faith in their brain."

I've got a better idea.  How about you go fark yourself?

ausfahrk: True story:  When I was 12, I was called into the principal's office at school and told that my older cousin had committed suicide.  He was the product of a normal family who attended the Lutheran church in our small town, but he took his life at the end of a two-year slide that started with him renouncing his faith in God, in which he participated in sins and excesses of increasingly disturbing character.  Some of these included smoking marihuana, taking the innocence of his girlfriend, and stealing money from his parents to spend at the gambling parlour.  When he finally killed himself, I actually felt relieved because I knew it was the end of the suffering he'd put us through, even though he was likely headed to damnation.  Upon dissection of the corpse, they found that he had a developmental defect in his brain that caused him to be missing a large portion of his forebrain, and I can only imagine that it was related to the "area of faith" mentioned in the article.


You sound Turkish.

/what the hell, Turkey?  You used to be cool.  Ish.  Well, OK, that one guy in the 20s, but you seem to have forgotten him
 
2013-04-30 10:06:35 AM
"No man ever believes that the bible means what it says. He is always convinced that the bible means what he says."

-George Bernard Shaw

I was one of those people, until a Buddhist asked me one day, "Why do you worship a deity of whom you have lower standard of expectations of than you would have of a 16 y/o babysitter?" I then sat down and read the entire bible as a complete book, and was never the same again.

The only thing that autism has in common with atheism is an extremely low tolerance for bullshiat.
 
2013-04-30 10:06:44 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: He has a point. When you remove emotion from the equation and let logic take charge, belief in deities seems weird and incongruent with a universe predicated on examinable physical laws.

But humans are not purely logical creatures. Along with our logical minds, we are burdened with our emotional mind as well. Except in the case of autistic children, of course. They are emotionally crippled, for better or worse. As far as atheism goes, for the better, obviously.


Autistic kids aren't emotionally crippled man.  My nephew is autistic, but he loves his sister and mother and grandparents and uncles, tells jokes (that are amazingly clever and funny for a 6 year old), loves robots, mario and superheroes, and in many ways is pretty much a normal kid.  He's got issues, but he's gotten way better with treatment and a huge part of that has been diet and supplements.  Autism for some may be an almost completely treatable condition.
 
2013-04-30 10:07:51 AM

jonny_q: Welp... on one hand, I'm happy that this thread didn't go all wharrgarbl like most of these threads.

On the other hand, I feel like I found the weird part of Fark and I need some help finding my way back to regular Fark.


Heh. Sorry. Clearly I need to have my morning tea before I post. :)
 
2013-04-30 10:08:04 AM
s22.postimg.org
 
2013-04-30 10:08:39 AM
If it means people with autism are better off not believing in your sky god, good

/ironically, idiots who believe that autistic people are athiests can rot in hell
 
2013-04-30 10:08:51 AM
imgs.xkcd.com
 
2013-04-30 10:09:57 AM
I get it. Every time someone says something asinine, let's publish it so it pisses a lot of people off.
 
2013-04-30 10:10:43 AM

Dead for Tax Reasons: i guess god gave autistic kids a disease so they wouldn't believe in him then?


Well he is a loving god, our father, and wants what is best for us. Obviously autism and atheism is gods way of trying to gently push his basement dwelling children out into the real world to get a job, a girlfriend, and a life. It is an obvious sign from god that religious faith is holding back human development.
 
mhd
2013-04-30 10:10:47 AM
Autism was atheism
Now it's autism, not atheism
Been a long time gone, atheism
It's a science hoax by some Turkish folks
 
2013-04-30 10:11:23 AM

Carn: AverageAmericanGuy: He has a point. When you remove emotion from the equation and let logic take charge, belief in deities seems weird and incongruent with a universe predicated on examinable physical laws.

But humans are not purely logical creatures. Along with our logical minds, we are burdened with our emotional mind as well. Except in the case of autistic children, of course. They are emotionally crippled, for better or worse. As far as atheism goes, for the better, obviously.

Autistic kids aren't emotionally crippled man.  My nephew is autistic, but he loves his sister and mother and grandparents and uncles, tells jokes (that are amazingly clever and funny for a 6 year old), loves robots, mario and superheroes, and in many ways is pretty much a normal kid.  He's got issues, but he's gotten way better with treatment and a huge part of that has been diet and supplements.  Autism for some may be an almost completely treatable condition.


Well, it's a spectrum disease. There are many with mild autism who are likely as not to find salvation in Jesus. And there are those who would not accept the existence of God if their souls depended on it.

I'm glad to hear your nephew is on the mild end of the spectrum.
 
2013-04-30 10:12:53 AM
Temple Grandin, a well known and renowned person with autism would like a word...

From her book "Thinking in Pictures"

I develop my views from the existing pool of knowledge and I will adapt my views when I learn more. The only permanent view that I have is that there is a God. My views are based on the basic fundamental laws of nature and physics that I am now aware of. As man learns more about his environment I will change my theory to accommodate the new knowledge. Religion should be dynamic and always advancing, not in a state of stagnation.
 
2013-04-30 10:14:04 AM

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Achievement Unlocked.


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2013-04-30 10:14:49 AM
in Adana, Turkey.

Yeah, how about coming back when the source isn't from a part of the world still trying to pull itself out of the middle ages?
 
2013-04-30 10:14:59 AM
I like Fark atheists.  They're so condescending, implying that if you believe something different from them, you're an idiot and they are your superior, but at the same time decrying the religious people who treat atheists the same way.

Turns out, everybody's an asshole.  Who would have guessed?

/Hail science!
//Our atheism is superior to your atheism!
///Know this time child! I shall smash your skull like a clam on my tummy!!!
 
2013-04-30 10:15:14 AM
Evolution causes global warming.
 
2013-04-30 10:15:27 AM
My brother is autistic and has a serious problem with this because he believes the fark out of god and church and jesus.  He  almost went full... uh... retard and we had to dig the Jehovah's Witness BS out of his hands.
 
2013-04-30 10:16:23 AM
Ok I found a study.

Religious Belief Systems of Persons with High Functioning Autism (PDF)


Abstract



The cognitive science of religion is a new field which explains religious belief as emerging from normal cognitive processes such as inferring others' mental states, agency detection and imposing patterns on noise. This paper investigates the proposal that individual differences in belief will reflect cognitive processing styles, with high functioning autism being an extreme style that will predispose towards nonbelief (atheism and agnosticism). This view was supported by content analysis of discussion forums about religion on an autism website (covering 192 unique posters), and by a survey that included 61 persons with HFA. Persons with autistic spectrum disorder were much more likely than those in our neurotypical comparison group to identify as atheist or agnostic, and, if religious, were more likely to construct their own religious belief system. Nonbelief was also higher in those who were attracted to systemizing activities, as measured by the Systemizing Quotient.
 
2013-04-30 10:17:06 AM

alizeran: tetsoushima: [www.epicgifs.net image 720x480]
Achievement Unlocked.

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FAKE!  The ducks aren't lined up together!  Hell, even the shoes aren't matching.
 
2013-04-30 10:19:03 AM
Atheists were autistic children, now they're atheists not autistic children, so if you've a brain like autistic children you'll turn into an atheist.

Why do autistic brains get the works? That's nobody's business but the Turks.
 
2013-04-30 10:19:09 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: He has a point. When you remove emotion from the equation and let logic take charge, belief in deities seems weird and incongruent with a universe predicated on examinable physical laws.

But humans are not purely logical creatures. Along with our logical minds, we are burdened with our emotional mind as well. Except in the case of autistic children, of course. They are emotionally crippled, for better or worse. As far as atheism goes, for the better, obviously.


Only if those "examinable physical laws" are strictly determinative, which they are not. I'm autistic (properly diagnosed, not one of those self-diagnosed fakers) and am still religious. I'm not an Evangelical Christian, Wahabbi Muslim, or other fundie, but I am a member of an organized Church. My choice, my faith. I could be wrong, and the atheists could be right, but I don't lose sleep over that. It's only the truly stupid and egotistical who get their panties severely in the bunch over the idea that someone else might have a different belief about God than ones own belief. What will God do with the unbelievers? That's His prerogative, not mine. If He wants, he can give everybody a Mulligan. It doesn't have to be fair, He's God.  Yes, it sucks, but reality sucks whether you're a believer or an atheist. I'll live my suckage, you'll live your suckage. I'll ask God to give you a freebie, so long as you're not harming others. Why not? In my little religious shared narrative, nobody actually deserves salvation, anyway, so there's nothing at all wrong with hoping God will let in just about everybody (maybe with a few selfish exceptions for pedophiles, murderers, dictators, etc.)

In my own particular case, adopting religion has improved my behavior and treatment of others. I must sadly admit that there are people of my acquaintance who probably would have been better off being atheists--and this would include the state/fate of their immortal souls.

No, this has not been a sophisticated troll. It's just one of those rare occasions when a reasonable and religious person pipes up to remind the extremist fanatics of all stripes that we do exist, and that we pretty much just wish to be left to our lives while you are left to yours. Our flavor of God is expected to be fully Just and fully Merciful, thus, He will sort it all out correctly, but we don't have the right to dictate to Him how He is going to do it.
 
2013-04-30 10:20:48 AM

mhd: Autism was atheism
Now it's autism, not atheism
Been a long time gone, atheism
It's a science hoax by some Turkish folks


Dammit. I need to read past page one before commenting.
 
2013-04-30 10:22:34 AM
How likely/ unlikely is it that an autistic child will have an imaginary friend of any kind?

Correlation?
 
2013-04-30 10:22:54 AM
Good people are good regardless of their religious beliefs (or lack there of). If somebody stops being good because they found out you don't share the same beliefs, they are kind of a dick.

That's not to say you can't call people out on their personal brand of bullshiat, but do it in a way that respects the fact they are a fellow human being.
 
2013-04-30 10:24:09 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Carn: AverageAmericanGuy: He has a point. When you remove emotion from the equation and let logic take charge, belief in deities seems weird and incongruent with a universe predicated on examinable physical laws.

But humans are not purely logical creatures. Along with our logical minds, we are burdened with our emotional mind as well. Except in the case of autistic children, of course. They are emotionally crippled, for better or worse. As far as atheism goes, for the better, obviously.

Autistic kids aren't emotionally crippled man.  My nephew is autistic, but he loves his sister and mother and grandparents and uncles, tells jokes (that are amazingly clever and funny for a 6 year old), loves robots, mario and superheroes, and in many ways is pretty much a normal kid.  He's got issues, but he's gotten way better with treatment and a huge part of that has been diet and supplements.  Autism for some may be an almost completely treatable condition.

Well, it's a spectrum disease. There are many with mild autism who are likely as not to find salvation in Jesus. And there are those who would not accept the existence of God if their souls depended on it.

I'm glad to hear your nephew is on the mild end of the spectrum.


True and true.  After seeing his transformation I can firmly say that early detection and treatment are very important.  My nephew went from basically non-verbal to "Hi Uncle Carn!  How are you today?!" in a period of months.
 
2013-04-30 10:24:35 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Carn: AverageAmericanGuy: He has a point. When you remove emotion from the equation and let logic take charge, belief in deities seems weird and incongruent with a universe predicated on examinable physical laws.

But humans are not purely logical creatures. Along with our logical minds, we are burdened with our emotional mind as well. Except in the case of autistic children, of course. They are emotionally crippled, for better or worse. As far as atheism goes, for the better, obviously.

Autistic kids aren't emotionally crippled man.  My nephew is autistic, but he loves his sister and mother and grandparents and uncles, tells jokes (that are amazingly clever and funny for a 6 year old), loves robots, mario and superheroes, and in many ways is pretty much a normal kid.  He's got issues, but he's gotten way better with treatment and a huge part of that has been diet and supplements.  Autism for some may be an almost completely treatable condition.

Well, it's a spectrum disease. There are many with mild autism who are likely as not to find salvation in Jesus. And there are those who would not accept the existence of God if their souls depended on it.

I'm glad to hear your nephew is on the mild end of the spectrum.


My kid loves church but doesn't get the whole god is there but you can't see him thing.
 
2013-04-30 10:24:42 AM
oarenj.com
 
2013-04-30 10:25:30 AM

Mr. Cat Poop: Atheists were autistic children, now they're atheists not autistic children, so if you've a brain like autistic children you'll turn into an atheist.

Why do autistic brains get the works? That's nobody's business but the Turks.


*golf clap*
 
2013-04-30 10:27:33 AM
Wrong conclusion.

Calling people who can't be easily manipulated by some one who claims to speak for a deity broken is like calling non-drmed media broken because there's no way to automatically delete it from a customer's device.
 
2013-04-30 10:28:39 AM

Revek: My kid loves church but doesn't get the whole god is there but you can't see him thing.


See above re: "low tolerance for bull...."
 
2013-04-30 10:28:47 AM

Begoggle: Evolution causes global warming.


A fine example of autism
 
2013-04-30 10:28:56 AM

Carn: AverageAmericanGuy: Carn: AverageAmericanGuy: He has a point. When you remove emotion from the equation and let logic take charge, belief in deities seems weird and incongruent with a universe predicated on examinable physical laws.

But humans are not purely logical creatures. Along with our logical minds, we are burdened with our emotional mind as well. Except in the case of autistic children, of course. They are emotionally crippled, for better or worse. As far as atheism goes, for the better, obviously.

Autistic kids aren't emotionally crippled man.  My nephew is autistic, but he loves his sister and mother and grandparents and uncles, tells jokes (that are amazingly clever and funny for a 6 year old), loves robots, mario and superheroes, and in many ways is pretty much a normal kid.  He's got issues, but he's gotten way better with treatment and a huge part of that has been diet and supplements.  Autism for some may be an almost completely treatable condition.

Well, it's a spectrum disease. There are many with mild autism who are likely as not to find salvation in Jesus. And there are those who would not accept the existence of God if their souls depended on it.

I'm glad to hear your nephew is on the mild end of the spectrum.

True and true.  After seeing his transformation I can firmly say that early detection and treatment are very important.  My nephew went from basically non-verbal to "Hi Uncle Carn!  How are you today?!" in a period of months.


Stories like yours gives me a lot of hope. We know that people are lining up at the government's behest to get their kids vaccinated for access to school and summer camps. If autism is indeed treatable, that's one fewer reason to avoid getting the shots.

Obviously not all cases of autism are caused by such things. Most cases are difficult to pin on any single event. But treatments like your nephew is in could be the difference between a life of solitude and one of joy.
 
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