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2013-04-30 08:01:42 AM
I'm buying stock in popcorn for this one.
 
2013-04-30 08:03:58 AM
i251.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-30 08:07:10 AM
Yeah, this looks legit.
 
2013-04-30 08:37:00 AM
Kinda early to give out the Derp of the Day award, but this is definitely in the running.
 
2013-04-30 08:53:05 AM
All Turks are foul and Turkey is a form of fowl.

/broad-brushing is fun!
 
2013-04-30 08:55:40 AM
www.imglols.com

Don't tell the Fundies this, they will be trying to cure atheists like the "cure" teh gheys.
 
2013-04-30 09:02:47 AM
Autoplay ads and popups killed my faith in God.
 
2013-04-30 09:32:11 AM
links you may like:

"Tila Tequila pregnant with her brother's baby."

wat
 
2013-04-30 09:32:16 AM
Atheism is a logical fallacy.
 
2013-04-30 09:32:30 AM
Attention whore is a religion.
 
2013-04-30 09:32:52 AM

ThatGuyGreg: Kinda early to give out the Derp of the Day award, but this is definitely in the running.


Don't tempt fate.
 
2013-04-30 09:34:01 AM
So the afflicted can once again equated with the devil also?

/Good [medieval] times.
 
2013-04-30 09:34:20 AM
That's the opinion of Fehmi Kaya, head of the Health and Education Associations for Autistic Children in Adana, Turkey. Autistic children are atheists, he said, "due to a lack of a section for faith in their brains."

Brain scans show a distinct lack of prayer blobs, I presume.
 
2013-04-30 09:35:13 AM
So atheism is caused by vaccines? I thought the HHS banned the atheism vaccine in the 70s after all those babies were born holding a Dawkins book.
 
2013-04-30 09:35:31 AM
I thought we learned the lesson about The Examiner back during the Wampler Era. Do we have to revisit our mistakes again and again?
 
2013-04-30 09:35:33 AM

duffblue: Atheism is a logical fallacy.


Sadly they have yet to discover what turns people into potatoheads.
 
2013-04-30 09:37:08 AM
Turks and CooCoos
 
2013-04-30 09:37:20 AM
FTA: Autistic children are atheists, he said, "due to a lack of a section for faith in their brains."

Autism is the tinfoil hat used by children to keep God out of their brainwaves.
 
2013-04-30 09:37:36 AM
TLdR


But...
There was a study that those with ADHD were fooled by Slieght of Hand Close Up Magic
to a lesser degree than normals.
Different parts of the brain in use.
So I can see Autistics being skeptical of Sky Wizards.
 
2013-04-30 09:37:50 AM
I must be autistic then, or the reverse brainwashing worked.
 
2013-04-30 09:38:16 AM
Yeah yeah, and religious experiences are a form of schizophrenia.

Equating "disagrees with me" with "has mental problems, because how else could they?" reveals far more about the speaker's psychological state than that of the people they are speculating about.
 
2013-04-30 09:38:28 AM
b.vimeocdn.com
Um, wut?
 
2013-04-30 09:40:46 AM
Technically if you haven't considered the question of God then you are by definition an atheist....
 
2013-04-30 09:41:45 AM
Well, that was fast.

Turkish Sociologist Fehmi Kaya Apologises For Suggesting Link Between Atheism And Autism

The head of an autism association in Turkey has apologised for suggesting that autistic people were natural atheists, and that atheism could be a form of autism.
 
2013-04-30 09:41:54 AM
www.freedomsphoenix.com
Or is it?
 
2013-04-30 09:41:57 AM
He has a point. When you remove emotion from the equation and let logic take charge, belief in deities seems weird and incongruent with a universe predicated on examinable physical laws.

But humans are not purely logical creatures. Along with our logical minds, we are burdened with our emotional mind as well. Except in the case of autistic children, of course. They are emotionally crippled, for better or worse. As far as atheism goes, for the better, obviously.
 
2013-04-30 09:44:17 AM
I liked the link at the bottom of the article with the picture of bridesmaid-butt cheeks.
 
mhd
2013-04-30 09:45:02 AM
I'm an excellent driver.
 
2013-04-30 09:45:54 AM
www.epicgifs.net
Achievement Unlocked.
 
2013-04-30 09:46:07 AM
True story:  When I was 12, I was called into the principal's office at school and told that my older cousin had committed suicide.  He was the product of a normal family who attended the Lutheran church in our small town, but he took his life at the end of a two-year slide that started with him renouncing his faith in God, in which he participated in sins and excesses of increasingly disturbing character.  Some of these included smoking marihuana, taking the innocence of his girlfriend, and stealing money from his parents to spend at the gambling parlour.  When he finally killed himself, I actually felt relieved because I knew it was the end of the suffering he'd put us through, even though he was likely headed to damnation.  Upon dissection of the corpse, they found that he had a developmental defect in his brain that caused him to be missing a large portion of his forebrain, and I can only imagine that it was related to the "area of faith" mentioned in the article.
 
2013-04-30 09:46:30 AM
Syllogism fail.  The premise must be true for the statement to resolve to true.

//When has that ever stopped anybody??
 
2013-04-30 09:47:12 AM

neversubmit: Well, that was fast.

Turkish Sociologist Fehmi Kaya Apologises For Suggesting Link Between Atheism And Autism

The head of an autism association in Turkey has apologised for suggesting that autistic people were natural atheists, and that atheism could be a form of autism.


Pretty weasely apology, as well as a lie.  She might as well as well have said, "Sorry your kid's brain damaged."
 
2013-04-30 09:48:57 AM
i guess god gave autistic kids a disease so they wouldn't believe in him then?
 
2013-04-30 09:49:31 AM
So now people who don't believe in God are brain damaged?

This trend of dehumanizing those who we disagree with has to stop. It's not possible to find a middle ground with someone who you believe to be sub-human.
 
2013-04-30 09:49:42 AM
I'm pretty much agnostic, My wife is devoutly athiestic.

However, our 15 year old son is now devoutely Christian (he's never sure one which flavor).  He is also Autistic (and a long litany of other disorders).

We dont take it too serriously however.  Why just last week he was absolutely sure pokemon were real.

/technically he was born jewish, so all over the map.
 
2013-04-30 09:49:51 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: He has a point. When you remove emotion from the equation and let logic take charge, belief in deities seems weird and incongruent with a universe predicated on examinable physical laws.

But humans are not purely logical creatures. Along with our logical minds, we are burdened with our emotional mind as well. Except in the case of autistic children, of course. They are emotionally crippled, for better or worse. As far as atheism goes, for the better, obviously.


I agree. We just need to state the direction of causation here. People with autism may be deficient in the facilities needed to embrace faith/religion/spirituality, and thus tend to be atheistic/agnostic. That does not however imply that all atheists are autistic. People become atheists/agnostics for a number of reasons.

Ironically enough, the one person I know who is a diagnosed autistic is actually very religious and has many of her social connections due to her church.
 
2013-04-30 09:49:56 AM

ausfahrk: True story:  When I was 12, I was called into the principal's office at school and told that my older cousin had committed suicide.  He was the product of a normal family who attended the Lutheran church in our small town, but he took his life at the end of a two-year slide that started with him renouncing his faith in God, in which he participated in sins and excesses of increasingly disturbing character.  Some of these included smoking marihuana, taking the innocence of his girlfriend, and stealing money from his parents to spend at the gambling parlour.  When he finally killed himself, I actually felt relieved because I knew it was the end of the suffering he'd put us through, even though he was likely headed to damnation.  Upon dissection of the corpse, they found that he had a developmental defect in his brain that caused him to be missing a large portion of his forebrain, and I can only imagine that it was related to the "area of faith" mentioned in the article.


PocketNinja? Is this your sock puppet for your less funny material?
 
2013-04-30 09:50:08 AM

ausfahrk: True story:  When I was 12, I was called into the principal's office at school and told that my older cousin had committed suicide.  He was the product of a normal family who attended the Lutheran church in our small town, but he took his life at the end of a two-year slide that started with him renouncing his faith in God, in which he participated in sins and excesses of increasingly disturbing character.  Some of these included smoking marihuana, taking the innocence of his girlfriend, and stealing money from his parents to spend at the gambling parlour.  When he finally killed himself, I actually felt relieved because I knew it was the end of the suffering he'd put us through, even though he was likely headed to damnation.  Upon dissection of the corpse, they found that he had a developmental defect in his brain that caused him to be missing a large portion of his forebrain, and I can only imagine that it was related to the "area of faith" mentioned in the article.


7/10
Nice use of old timey language.
 
2013-04-30 09:50:15 AM
Well duh, they even have the same letters!

/drtfa
 
2013-04-30 09:50:24 AM
This just in autistic people are more sane than less evolved social monkeys.
 
2013-04-30 09:50:49 AM
 
2013-04-30 09:50:51 AM

ausfahrk: True story:  When I was 12, I was called into the principal's office at school and told that my older cousin had committed suicide.  He was the product of a normal family who attended the Lutheran church in our small town, but he took his life at the end of a two-year slide that started with him renouncing his faith in God, in which he participated in sins and excesses of increasingly disturbing character.  Some of these included smoking marihuana, taking the innocence of his girlfriend, and stealing money from his parents to spend at the gambling parlour.  When he finally killed himself, I actually felt relieved because I knew it was the end of the suffering he'd put us through, even though he was likely headed to damnation.  Upon dissection of the corpse, they found that he had a developmental defect in his brain that caused him to be missing a large portion of his forebrain, and I can only imagine that it was related to the "area of faith" mentioned in the article.


not-sure-if-serious.jpg
 
2013-04-30 09:51:01 AM

Diogenes: neversubmit: Well, that was fast.

Turkish Sociologist Fehmi Kaya Apologises For Suggesting Link Between Atheism And Autism

The head of an autism association in Turkey has apologised for suggesting that autistic people were natural atheists, and that atheism could be a form of autism.

Pretty weasely apology, as well as a lie.   She might as well as well have said, "Sorry your kid's brain damaged."


FTFY
 
2013-04-30 09:51:25 AM
I think he's confusing "atheism" with "objectivism" and "libertarianism".

ausfahrk: True story:  When I was 12, I was called into the principal's office at school and told that my older cousin had committed suicide.  He was the product of a normal family who attended the Lutheran church in our small town, but he took his life at the end of a two-year slide that started with him renouncing his faith in God, in which he participated in sins and excesses of increasingly disturbing character.  Some of these included smoking marihuana, taking the innocence of his girlfriend, and stealing money from his parents to spend at the gambling parlour.  When he finally killed himself, I actually felt relieved because I knew it was the end of the suffering he'd put us through, even though he was likely headed to damnation.  Upon dissection of the corpse, they found that he had a developmental defect in his brain that caused him to be missing a large portion of his forebrain, and I can only imagine that it was related to the "area of faith" mentioned in the article.


Indubitably. I would have to say that there is no question about it. In fact, there isn't any possible way you could be wrong. You are definitely correct. Definitely.
 
2013-04-30 09:51:50 AM
I like how you are broken because you can't be manipulated by horse hockey.

It's a feature.

/created in his image, eh?
 
2013-04-30 09:51:57 AM
This ranks right up there with "fan death because the blades chop up the oxygen" in the competition to see how ridiculous a claim you can get people to buy by ascribing it to anonymous "researchers".
 
2013-04-30 09:53:09 AM

Dead for Tax Reasons: i guess god gave autistic kids a disease so they wouldn't believe in him then?


Well, that's pretty much the way He rolls.
Don't be hatin'.
 
2013-04-30 09:54:23 AM

ausfahrk: True story:  When I was 12, I was called into the principal's office at school and told that my older cousin had committed suicide.  He was the product of a normal family who attended the Lutheran church in our small town, but he took his life at the end of a two-year slide that started with him renouncing his faith in God, in which he participated in sins and excesses of increasingly disturbing character.  Some of these included smoking marihuana, taking the innocence of his girlfriend, and stealing money from his parents to spend at the gambling parlour.  When he finally killed himself, I actually felt relieved because I knew it was the end of the suffering he'd put us through, even though he was likely headed to damnation.  Upon dissection of the corpse, they found that he had a developmental defect in his brain that caused him to be missing a large portion of his forebrain, and I can only imagine that it was related to the "area of faith" mentioned in the article.


Uh huh
 
2013-04-30 09:55:00 AM
 
2013-04-30 09:55:19 AM
Generally, I find that religious people are missing the section of their brain for logic and reason.
 
2013-04-30 09:55:32 AM

ausfahrk: When he finally killed himself, I actually felt relieved because I knew it was the end of the suffering he'd put us through, even though he was likely headed to damnation. Upon dissection of the corpse, they found that he had a developmental defect in his brain that caused him to be missing a large portion of his forebrain, and I can only imagine that it was related to the "area of faith" mentioned in the article.


I have a similar-but-different story. My sister-in-law had been crazy (Excuse me while I direct an apology at the ground. Sorry, sis.) for some time. She desperately wanted a mast to lash herself to in hopes that a sufficiently powerful magic would help her control herself and make the crazy go away. That powerful mojo ended up being religion. She didn't do excessively horrible things, but certainly a couple painful things. And when she finally quietly committed suicide, her family was relieved that it was over for her since there was really nothing they could do to help that she would accept. There was no real assumption of damnation (except perhaps in her mind), but that draw to religion was notably strong.
 
2013-04-30 09:55:40 AM
so vaccinations cause atheism then?
 
2013-04-30 09:57:55 AM

Private_Citizen: So now people who don't believe in God are brain damaged?

This trend of dehumanizing those who we disagree with has to stop. It's not possible to find a middle ground with someone who you believe to be sub-human.


Ultra religious people also may have some brain damage (i.e temporal lobe/hippocampus damage).  You can google it.
 
2013-04-30 09:58:38 AM
"According to Kaya whose degree is in sociology"

Close tab
 
2013-04-30 09:58:48 AM

jayessell: TLdR


But...
There was a study that those with ADHD were fooled by Slieght of Hand Close Up Magic
to a lesser degree than normals.
Different parts of the brain in use.
So I can see Autistics being skeptical of Sky Wizards.


Of course they are.
"Is this your card?"
"I'm a submarine!"
 
2013-04-30 09:58:51 AM

theorellior: FTA: Autistic children are atheists, he said, "due to a lack of a section for faith in their brains."

Autism is the tinfoil hat used by children to keep God out of their brainwaves.


Niiiiice...

/I lol'd.
 
2013-04-30 09:59:28 AM

ModernPrimitive01: so vaccinations cause atheism then?


What if someone created a vaccine for autism or (in this case) atheism?

Would the kid receiving the shot just implode?
 
2013-04-30 10:00:28 AM
You guys just don't understand the SCIENCE behind this. Jenny McCarthy does!
www.uh.edu
 
2013-04-30 10:00:34 AM

ModernPrimitive01: so vaccinations cause atheism then?


By the transitive property. . . yes.
 
2013-04-30 10:00:46 AM

Aidan: ausfahrk: When he finally killed himself, I actually felt relieved because I knew it was the end of the suffering he'd put us through, even though he was likely headed to damnation. Upon dissection of the corpse, they found that he had a developmental defect in his brain that caused him to be missing a large portion of his forebrain, and I can only imagine that it was related to the "area of faith" mentioned in the article.

I have a similar-but-different story. My sister-in-law had been crazy (Excuse me while I direct an apology at the ground. Sorry, sis.) for some time. She desperately wanted a mast to lash herself to in hopes that a sufficiently powerful magic would help her control herself and make the crazy go away. That powerful mojo ended up being religion. She didn't do excessively horrible things, but certainly a couple painful things. And when she finally quietly committed suicide, her family was relieved that it was over for her since there was really nothing they could do to help that she would accept. There was no real assumption of damnation (except perhaps in her mind), but that draw to religion was notably strong.


Probably the same disease -- She just recognized her lack of faith (of biological origin) and the behavior you saw was just her attempt to "swing back to normal".  Did they dissect her head by any chance?
 
2013-04-30 10:01:03 AM
I am so farking sick of crazy people I could scream.  Stop trying to fark everything up just because you're a superstitious simpleton!
 
2013-04-30 10:01:48 AM

ausfahrk: True story:  When I was 12, I was called into the principal's office at school and told that my older cousin had committed suicide.  He was the product of a normal family who attended the Lutheran church in our small town, but he took his life at the end of a two-year slide that started with him renouncing his faith in God, in which he participated in sins and excesses of increasingly disturbing character.  Some of these included smoking marihuana, taking the innocence of his girlfriend, and stealing money from his parents to spend at the gambling parlour.  When he finally killed himself, I actually felt relieved because I knew it was the end of the suffering he'd put us through, even though he was likely headed to damnation.  Upon dissection of the corpse, they found that he had a developmental defect in his brain that caused him to be missing a large portion of his forebrain, and I can only imagine that it was related to the "area of faith" mentioned in the article.


So god made him and then gave him a tumor, which caused him to leave the faith, sin and they kill himself condemning him to eternal damnation.
God is kind of a dick.
 
2013-04-30 10:01:51 AM
He claims "Researchers in the USA and Canada say that atheism is a different form of autism." I can't find it and my form of autism makes me very good at finding.
 
2013-04-30 10:02:56 AM
Edited out of TFA:

"Atheists? What you expect you get when two heterosexuals mate. Sometimes they produce atheists. Atheists who can't read. Who can't read the Examiner."
 
2013-04-30 10:03:39 AM
I didn't know Dr. Nick Riviera had relatives in Turkey
 
2013-04-30 10:04:51 AM
Communism?
 
2013-04-30 10:05:23 AM
Non-story.

Stupid person with a sociology degree says stupid things ... film at 11.
 
2013-04-30 10:06:16 AM

Aidan: ausfahrk: When he finally killed himself, I actually felt relieved because I knew it was the end of the suffering he'd put us through, even though he was likely headed to damnation. Upon dissection of the corpse, they found that he had a developmental defect in his brain that caused him to be missing a large portion of his forebrain, and I can only imagine that it was related to the "area of faith" mentioned in the article.

I have a similar-but-different story. My sister-in-law had been crazy (Excuse me while I direct an apology at the ground. Sorry, sis.) for some time. She desperately wanted a mast to lash herself to in hopes that a sufficiently powerful magic would help her control herself and make the crazy go away. That powerful mojo ended up being religion. She didn't do excessively horrible things, but certainly a couple painful things. And when she finally quietly committed suicide, her family was relieved that it was over for her since there was really nothing they could do to help that she would accept. There was no real assumption of damnation (except perhaps in her mind), but that draw to religion was notably strong.


Welp... on one hand, I'm happy that this thread didn't go all wharrgarbl like most of these threads.

On the other hand, I feel like I found the weird part of Fark and I need some help finding my way back to regular Fark.
 
2013-04-30 10:06:18 AM
Kaya added that autistic children should undergo treatment to "create areas of faith in their brain."

I've got a better idea.  How about you go fark yourself?

ausfahrk: True story:  When I was 12, I was called into the principal's office at school and told that my older cousin had committed suicide.  He was the product of a normal family who attended the Lutheran church in our small town, but he took his life at the end of a two-year slide that started with him renouncing his faith in God, in which he participated in sins and excesses of increasingly disturbing character.  Some of these included smoking marihuana, taking the innocence of his girlfriend, and stealing money from his parents to spend at the gambling parlour.  When he finally killed himself, I actually felt relieved because I knew it was the end of the suffering he'd put us through, even though he was likely headed to damnation.  Upon dissection of the corpse, they found that he had a developmental defect in his brain that caused him to be missing a large portion of his forebrain, and I can only imagine that it was related to the "area of faith" mentioned in the article.


You sound Turkish.

/what the hell, Turkey?  You used to be cool.  Ish.  Well, OK, that one guy in the 20s, but you seem to have forgotten him
 
2013-04-30 10:06:35 AM
"No man ever believes that the bible means what it says. He is always convinced that the bible means what he says."

-George Bernard Shaw

I was one of those people, until a Buddhist asked me one day, "Why do you worship a deity of whom you have lower standard of expectations of than you would have of a 16 y/o babysitter?" I then sat down and read the entire bible as a complete book, and was never the same again.

The only thing that autism has in common with atheism is an extremely low tolerance for bullshiat.
 
2013-04-30 10:06:44 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: He has a point. When you remove emotion from the equation and let logic take charge, belief in deities seems weird and incongruent with a universe predicated on examinable physical laws.

But humans are not purely logical creatures. Along with our logical minds, we are burdened with our emotional mind as well. Except in the case of autistic children, of course. They are emotionally crippled, for better or worse. As far as atheism goes, for the better, obviously.


Autistic kids aren't emotionally crippled man.  My nephew is autistic, but he loves his sister and mother and grandparents and uncles, tells jokes (that are amazingly clever and funny for a 6 year old), loves robots, mario and superheroes, and in many ways is pretty much a normal kid.  He's got issues, but he's gotten way better with treatment and a huge part of that has been diet and supplements.  Autism for some may be an almost completely treatable condition.
 
2013-04-30 10:07:51 AM

jonny_q: Welp... on one hand, I'm happy that this thread didn't go all wharrgarbl like most of these threads.

On the other hand, I feel like I found the weird part of Fark and I need some help finding my way back to regular Fark.


Heh. Sorry. Clearly I need to have my morning tea before I post. :)
 
2013-04-30 10:08:04 AM
s22.postimg.org
 
2013-04-30 10:08:39 AM
If it means people with autism are better off not believing in your sky god, good

/ironically, idiots who believe that autistic people are athiests can rot in hell
 
2013-04-30 10:08:51 AM
imgs.xkcd.com
 
2013-04-30 10:09:57 AM
I get it. Every time someone says something asinine, let's publish it so it pisses a lot of people off.
 
2013-04-30 10:10:43 AM

Dead for Tax Reasons: i guess god gave autistic kids a disease so they wouldn't believe in him then?


Well he is a loving god, our father, and wants what is best for us. Obviously autism and atheism is gods way of trying to gently push his basement dwelling children out into the real world to get a job, a girlfriend, and a life. It is an obvious sign from god that religious faith is holding back human development.
 
mhd
2013-04-30 10:10:47 AM
Autism was atheism
Now it's autism, not atheism
Been a long time gone, atheism
It's a science hoax by some Turkish folks
 
2013-04-30 10:11:23 AM

Carn: AverageAmericanGuy: He has a point. When you remove emotion from the equation and let logic take charge, belief in deities seems weird and incongruent with a universe predicated on examinable physical laws.

But humans are not purely logical creatures. Along with our logical minds, we are burdened with our emotional mind as well. Except in the case of autistic children, of course. They are emotionally crippled, for better or worse. As far as atheism goes, for the better, obviously.

Autistic kids aren't emotionally crippled man.  My nephew is autistic, but he loves his sister and mother and grandparents and uncles, tells jokes (that are amazingly clever and funny for a 6 year old), loves robots, mario and superheroes, and in many ways is pretty much a normal kid.  He's got issues, but he's gotten way better with treatment and a huge part of that has been diet and supplements.  Autism for some may be an almost completely treatable condition.


Well, it's a spectrum disease. There are many with mild autism who are likely as not to find salvation in Jesus. And there are those who would not accept the existence of God if their souls depended on it.

I'm glad to hear your nephew is on the mild end of the spectrum.
 
2013-04-30 10:12:53 AM
Temple Grandin, a well known and renowned person with autism would like a word...

From her book "Thinking in Pictures"

I develop my views from the existing pool of knowledge and I will adapt my views when I learn more. The only permanent view that I have is that there is a God. My views are based on the basic fundamental laws of nature and physics that I am now aware of. As man learns more about his environment I will change my theory to accommodate the new knowledge. Religion should be dynamic and always advancing, not in a state of stagnation.
 
2013-04-30 10:14:04 AM

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2013-04-30 10:14:49 AM
in Adana, Turkey.

Yeah, how about coming back when the source isn't from a part of the world still trying to pull itself out of the middle ages?
 
2013-04-30 10:14:59 AM
I like Fark atheists.  They're so condescending, implying that if you believe something different from them, you're an idiot and they are your superior, but at the same time decrying the religious people who treat atheists the same way.

Turns out, everybody's an asshole.  Who would have guessed?

/Hail science!
//Our atheism is superior to your atheism!
///Know this time child! I shall smash your skull like a clam on my tummy!!!
 
2013-04-30 10:15:14 AM
Evolution causes global warming.
 
2013-04-30 10:15:27 AM
My brother is autistic and has a serious problem with this because he believes the fark out of god and church and jesus.  He  almost went full... uh... retard and we had to dig the Jehovah's Witness BS out of his hands.
 
2013-04-30 10:16:23 AM
Ok I found a study.

Religious Belief Systems of Persons with High Functioning Autism (PDF)


Abstract



The cognitive science of religion is a new field which explains religious belief as emerging from normal cognitive processes such as inferring others' mental states, agency detection and imposing patterns on noise. This paper investigates the proposal that individual differences in belief will reflect cognitive processing styles, with high functioning autism being an extreme style that will predispose towards nonbelief (atheism and agnosticism). This view was supported by content analysis of discussion forums about religion on an autism website (covering 192 unique posters), and by a survey that included 61 persons with HFA. Persons with autistic spectrum disorder were much more likely than those in our neurotypical comparison group to identify as atheist or agnostic, and, if religious, were more likely to construct their own religious belief system. Nonbelief was also higher in those who were attracted to systemizing activities, as measured by the Systemizing Quotient.
 
2013-04-30 10:17:06 AM

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Achievement Unlocked.

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FAKE!  The ducks aren't lined up together!  Hell, even the shoes aren't matching.
 
2013-04-30 10:19:03 AM
Atheists were autistic children, now they're atheists not autistic children, so if you've a brain like autistic children you'll turn into an atheist.

Why do autistic brains get the works? That's nobody's business but the Turks.
 
2013-04-30 10:19:09 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: He has a point. When you remove emotion from the equation and let logic take charge, belief in deities seems weird and incongruent with a universe predicated on examinable physical laws.

But humans are not purely logical creatures. Along with our logical minds, we are burdened with our emotional mind as well. Except in the case of autistic children, of course. They are emotionally crippled, for better or worse. As far as atheism goes, for the better, obviously.


Only if those "examinable physical laws" are strictly determinative, which they are not. I'm autistic (properly diagnosed, not one of those self-diagnosed fakers) and am still religious. I'm not an Evangelical Christian, Wahabbi Muslim, or other fundie, but I am a member of an organized Church. My choice, my faith. I could be wrong, and the atheists could be right, but I don't lose sleep over that. It's only the truly stupid and egotistical who get their panties severely in the bunch over the idea that someone else might have a different belief about God than ones own belief. What will God do with the unbelievers? That's His prerogative, not mine. If He wants, he can give everybody a Mulligan. It doesn't have to be fair, He's God.  Yes, it sucks, but reality sucks whether you're a believer or an atheist. I'll live my suckage, you'll live your suckage. I'll ask God to give you a freebie, so long as you're not harming others. Why not? In my little religious shared narrative, nobody actually deserves salvation, anyway, so there's nothing at all wrong with hoping God will let in just about everybody (maybe with a few selfish exceptions for pedophiles, murderers, dictators, etc.)

In my own particular case, adopting religion has improved my behavior and treatment of others. I must sadly admit that there are people of my acquaintance who probably would have been better off being atheists--and this would include the state/fate of their immortal souls.

No, this has not been a sophisticated troll. It's just one of those rare occasions when a reasonable and religious person pipes up to remind the extremist fanatics of all stripes that we do exist, and that we pretty much just wish to be left to our lives while you are left to yours. Our flavor of God is expected to be fully Just and fully Merciful, thus, He will sort it all out correctly, but we don't have the right to dictate to Him how He is going to do it.
 
2013-04-30 10:20:48 AM

mhd: Autism was atheism
Now it's autism, not atheism
Been a long time gone, atheism
It's a science hoax by some Turkish folks


Dammit. I need to read past page one before commenting.
 
2013-04-30 10:22:34 AM
How likely/ unlikely is it that an autistic child will have an imaginary friend of any kind?

Correlation?
 
2013-04-30 10:22:54 AM
Good people are good regardless of their religious beliefs (or lack there of). If somebody stops being good because they found out you don't share the same beliefs, they are kind of a dick.

That's not to say you can't call people out on their personal brand of bullshiat, but do it in a way that respects the fact they are a fellow human being.
 
2013-04-30 10:24:09 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Carn: AverageAmericanGuy: He has a point. When you remove emotion from the equation and let logic take charge, belief in deities seems weird and incongruent with a universe predicated on examinable physical laws.

But humans are not purely logical creatures. Along with our logical minds, we are burdened with our emotional mind as well. Except in the case of autistic children, of course. They are emotionally crippled, for better or worse. As far as atheism goes, for the better, obviously.

Autistic kids aren't emotionally crippled man.  My nephew is autistic, but he loves his sister and mother and grandparents and uncles, tells jokes (that are amazingly clever and funny for a 6 year old), loves robots, mario and superheroes, and in many ways is pretty much a normal kid.  He's got issues, but he's gotten way better with treatment and a huge part of that has been diet and supplements.  Autism for some may be an almost completely treatable condition.

Well, it's a spectrum disease. There are many with mild autism who are likely as not to find salvation in Jesus. And there are those who would not accept the existence of God if their souls depended on it.

I'm glad to hear your nephew is on the mild end of the spectrum.


True and true.  After seeing his transformation I can firmly say that early detection and treatment are very important.  My nephew went from basically non-verbal to "Hi Uncle Carn!  How are you today?!" in a period of months.
 
2013-04-30 10:24:35 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Carn: AverageAmericanGuy: He has a point. When you remove emotion from the equation and let logic take charge, belief in deities seems weird and incongruent with a universe predicated on examinable physical laws.

But humans are not purely logical creatures. Along with our logical minds, we are burdened with our emotional mind as well. Except in the case of autistic children, of course. They are emotionally crippled, for better or worse. As far as atheism goes, for the better, obviously.

Autistic kids aren't emotionally crippled man.  My nephew is autistic, but he loves his sister and mother and grandparents and uncles, tells jokes (that are amazingly clever and funny for a 6 year old), loves robots, mario and superheroes, and in many ways is pretty much a normal kid.  He's got issues, but he's gotten way better with treatment and a huge part of that has been diet and supplements.  Autism for some may be an almost completely treatable condition.

Well, it's a spectrum disease. There are many with mild autism who are likely as not to find salvation in Jesus. And there are those who would not accept the existence of God if their souls depended on it.

I'm glad to hear your nephew is on the mild end of the spectrum.


My kid loves church but doesn't get the whole god is there but you can't see him thing.
 
2013-04-30 10:24:42 AM
oarenj.com
 
2013-04-30 10:25:30 AM

Mr. Cat Poop: Atheists were autistic children, now they're atheists not autistic children, so if you've a brain like autistic children you'll turn into an atheist.

Why do autistic brains get the works? That's nobody's business but the Turks.


*golf clap*
 
2013-04-30 10:27:33 AM
Wrong conclusion.

Calling people who can't be easily manipulated by some one who claims to speak for a deity broken is like calling non-drmed media broken because there's no way to automatically delete it from a customer's device.
 
2013-04-30 10:28:39 AM

Revek: My kid loves church but doesn't get the whole god is there but you can't see him thing.


See above re: "low tolerance for bull...."
 
2013-04-30 10:28:47 AM

Begoggle: Evolution causes global warming.


A fine example of autism
 
2013-04-30 10:28:56 AM

Carn: AverageAmericanGuy: Carn: AverageAmericanGuy: He has a point. When you remove emotion from the equation and let logic take charge, belief in deities seems weird and incongruent with a universe predicated on examinable physical laws.

But humans are not purely logical creatures. Along with our logical minds, we are burdened with our emotional mind as well. Except in the case of autistic children, of course. They are emotionally crippled, for better or worse. As far as atheism goes, for the better, obviously.

Autistic kids aren't emotionally crippled man.  My nephew is autistic, but he loves his sister and mother and grandparents and uncles, tells jokes (that are amazingly clever and funny for a 6 year old), loves robots, mario and superheroes, and in many ways is pretty much a normal kid.  He's got issues, but he's gotten way better with treatment and a huge part of that has been diet and supplements.  Autism for some may be an almost completely treatable condition.

Well, it's a spectrum disease. There are many with mild autism who are likely as not to find salvation in Jesus. And there are those who would not accept the existence of God if their souls depended on it.

I'm glad to hear your nephew is on the mild end of the spectrum.

True and true.  After seeing his transformation I can firmly say that early detection and treatment are very important.  My nephew went from basically non-verbal to "Hi Uncle Carn!  How are you today?!" in a period of months.


Stories like yours gives me a lot of hope. We know that people are lining up at the government's behest to get their kids vaccinated for access to school and summer camps. If autism is indeed treatable, that's one fewer reason to avoid getting the shots.

Obviously not all cases of autism are caused by such things. Most cases are difficult to pin on any single event. But treatments like your nephew is in could be the difference between a life of solitude and one of joy.
 
2013-04-30 10:31:15 AM

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If I had some PS skills I would shop toy figures of gods from different religions in place of the toys.
 
2013-04-30 10:31:19 AM

Revek: AverageAmericanGuy: Carn: AverageAmericanGuy: He has a point. When you remove emotion from the equation and let logic take charge, belief in deities seems weird and incongruent with a universe predicated on examinable physical laws.

But humans are not purely logical creatures. Along with our logical minds, we are burdened with our emotional mind as well. Except in the case of autistic children, of course. They are emotionally crippled, for better or worse. As far as atheism goes, for the better, obviously.

Autistic kids aren't emotionally crippled man.  My nephew is autistic, but he loves his sister and mother and grandparents and uncles, tells jokes (that are amazingly clever and funny for a 6 year old), loves robots, mario and superheroes, and in many ways is pretty much a normal kid.  He's got issues, but he's gotten way better with treatment and a huge part of that has been diet and supplements.  Autism for some may be an almost completely treatable condition.

Well, it's a spectrum disease. There are many with mild autism who are likely as not to find salvation in Jesus. And there are those who would not accept the existence of God if their souls depended on it.

I'm glad to hear your nephew is on the mild end of the spectrum.

My kid loves church but doesn't get the whole god is there but you can't see him thing.


Can he see the wind? Can he see infrared light? Are television signals visible as they travel over wires?
 
2013-04-30 10:31:33 AM

Revek: AverageAmericanGuy: Carn:
Well, it's a spectrum disease. There are many with mild autism who are likely as not to find salvation in Jesus. And there are those who would not accept the existence of God if their souls depended on it.

I'm glad to hear your nephew is on the mild end of the spectrum.

My kid loves church but doesn't get the whole god is there but you can't see him thing.


My kid thinks god controls magic, and thus can be propitiated for cool shiat. :P
 
2013-04-30 10:31:38 AM

Farce-Side: I like Fark atheists.  They're so condescending, implying that if you believe something different from them, you're an idiot and they are your superior, but at the same time decrying the religious people who treat atheists the same way.

Turns out, everybody's an asshole.  Who would have guessed?


Reminds me, Fark was a catalyst that deconverted me years and years ago.  It was my first encounter with non believers.

/what a relief that was
 
2013-04-30 10:32:35 AM

StrangeQ: in Adana, Turkey.

Yeah, how about coming back when the source isn't from a part of the world still trying to pull itself out of the middle ages?


About half of Turkey is trying to pull itself back into the middle ages.  Turkey used to be fairly secular and has been getting more formally Islamic in recent years.
 
2013-04-30 10:33:32 AM

chrylis: This ranks right up there with "fan death because the blades chop up the oxygen" in the competition to see how ridiculous a claim you can get people to buy by ascribing it to anonymous "researchers".




Hey, isn't that Dyson's fan claim? I rememeber hearing him say that conventional fans "chop up" the air.

/silly Koreans
 
2013-04-30 10:33:52 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: My kid loves church but doesn't get the whole god is there but you can't see him thing.

Can he see the wind? Can he see infrared light? Are television signals visible as they travel over wires?


With the right equipment, yes. Still a no on the God front, unless you have a super Godometer 9000, we can't afford such luxuries here.
 
2013-04-30 10:34:19 AM

duffblue: Atheism is a logical fallacy.


Must be part of god's master plan.
 
2013-04-30 10:34:51 AM
Autistic children are atheists, he said, "due to a lack of a section for faith social conformity and inhibitions about calling bullshiat when presented with bullshiatin their brains."
 
2013-04-30 10:35:03 AM
Horse shiat, I have aspergers, I believe in a god, not a christian god, my own god, I find christianity too illogical to get behind, don't need some arrogant twerp telling me how to believe.
 
2013-04-30 10:36:36 AM

duffblue: Atheism is a logical fallacy.



You're right. There is no god. But then again, every day I thank god for giving us RedHeads.
 
2013-04-30 10:36:47 AM
Given the vast size and scope of the known universe, from the smallest of atomic particles to the largest of the galactic superclusters. Being a person can be a wicked mind trip. Even at human scales, a planet with 6 billion people can be overwhelming. Especially when you consider that most of those 6 billion people are mean and have no regard for you at all. and a significant number of them even want you dead.

As a way to cope with it all, talking with an imaginary friend is cool with me. It is a perfectly valid strategy for dealing with the universe, and I have used it myself once in a while. It is even okay to form "imaginary friend club" with like minded people. Perhaps your club can do something to better the community.

But remember the rule: Don't make me talk to your imaginary friend, and I wont make you talk to mine.
 
2013-04-30 10:36:49 AM

local vagrant: Farce-Side: I like Fark atheists.  They're so condescending, implying that if you believe something different from them, you're an idiot and they are your superior, but at the same time decrying the religious people who treat atheists the same way.

Turns out, everybody's an asshole.  Who would have guessed?

Reminds me, Fark was a catalyst that deconverted me years and years ago.  It was my first encounter with non believers.

/what a relief that was


We don't all suck. :) (but some of us do)
Similarly, people of faith don't all suck either, but the same caveat applies.
 
2013-04-30 10:38:22 AM
pages.lightthenight.org

"What's wrong with being artistic?"
 
2013-04-30 10:39:12 AM
Uhhh... would someone tell my sister's kids this?
They are all fundie crazy, especially the autistic one.
 
2013-04-30 10:39:14 AM

Toggles: As a way to cope with it all, talking with an imaginary friend is cool with me. It is a perfectly valid strategy for dealing with the universe, and I have used it myself once in a while. It is even okay to form "imaginary friend club" with like minded people. Perhaps your club can do something to better the community.

But remember the rule: Don't make me talk to your imaginary friend, and I wont make you talk to mine.


I don't think I've ever seen that summed up as succinctly nor with as little tension as possible. Stolen, saved to disk, and potentially printed out in the future. *tips hat*
 
2013-04-30 10:39:20 AM

probesport: AverageAmericanGuy: My kid loves church but doesn't get the whole god is there but you can't see him thing.

Can he see the wind? Can he see infrared light? Are television signals visible as they travel over wires?

With the right equipment, yes. Still a no on the God front, unless you have a super Godometer 9000, we can't afford such luxuries here.


That's the problem. The 'God-shaped hole' doesn't exist and so he can't wrap his head around the life-changing experience salvation is for non-autistic people.

In a way his faith will need to be stronger for he believes without seeing.
 
2013-04-30 10:40:40 AM

Raw_fishFood: Good people are good regardless of their religious beliefs (or lack there of). If somebody stops being good because they found out you don't share the same beliefs, they are kind of a dick.

That's not to say you can't call people out on their personal brand of bullshiat, but do it in a way that respects the fact they are a fellow human being.


What do you say to a guy that's 35 and still thinks there's a Tooth Fairy?
 
hej
2013-04-30 10:41:07 AM

ausfahrk: True story:  When I was 12, I was called into the principal's office at school and told that my older cousin had committed suicide.  He was the product of a normal family who attended the Lutheran church in our small town, but he took his life at the end of a two-year slide that started with him renouncing his faith in God, in which he participated in sins and excesses of increasingly disturbing character.  Some of these included smoking marihuana, taking the innocence of his girlfriend, and stealing money from his parents to spend at the gambling parlour.  When he finally killed himself, I actually felt relieved because I knew it was the end of the suffering he'd put us through, even though he was likely headed to damnation.  Upon dissection of the corpse, they found that he had a developmental defect in his brain that caused him to be missing a large portion of his forebrain, and I can only imagine that it was related to the "area of faith" mentioned in the article.


I give you an A for effort.

/Shouldn't it be an E for effort?
 
2013-04-30 10:41:31 AM

ausfahrk: True story:  When I was 12, I was called into the principal's office at school and told that my older cousin had committed suicide.  He was the product of a normal family who attended the Lutheran church in our small town, but he took his life at the end of a two-year slide that started with him renouncing his faith in God, in which he participated in sins and excesses of increasingly disturbing character.  Some of these included smoking marihuana, taking the innocence of his girlfriend, and stealing money from his parents to spend at the gambling parlour.  When he finally killed himself, I actually felt relieved because I knew it was the end of the suffering he'd put us through, even though he was likely headed to damnation.  Upon dissection of the corpse, they found that he had a developmental defect in his brain that caused him to be missing a large portion of his forebrain, and I can only imagine that it was related to the "area of faith" mentioned in the article.


Now THAT'S a master trolling attempt. You didn't get many bites, but not for lack of trying!
9/10
 
2013-04-30 10:42:25 AM

RoboZombie: You guys just don't understand the SCIENCE behind this. Jenny McCarthy does!

[www.uh.edu image 850x890]


I don't know about you guys but the Suavity portion of my brain is f-ing ENORMOUS.

images3.wikia.nocookie.net

 
2013-04-30 10:44:01 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: probesport: AverageAmericanGuy: My kid loves church but doesn't get the whole god is there but you can't see him thing.

Can he see the wind? Can he see infrared light? Are television signals visible as they travel over wires?

With the right equipment, yes. Still a no on the God front, unless you have a super Godometer 9000, we can't afford such luxuries here.

That's the problem. The 'God-shaped hole' doesn't exist and so he can't wrap his head around the life-changing experience salvation is for non-autistic people.

In a way his faith will need to be stronger for he believes without seeing.


That is awesome.
 
2013-04-30 10:44:42 AM

Mr. Cat Poop: Atheists were autistic children, now they're atheists not autistic children, so if you've a brain like autistic children you'll turn into an atheist.

Why do autistic brains get the works? That's nobody's business but the Turks.


Damn you, that is now in my head!!!
 
hej
2013-04-30 10:45:05 AM

ModernPrimitive01: so vaccinations cause atheism then?


Yes.
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2013-04-30 10:46:46 AM

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FAKE!  The ducks aren't lined up together!  Hell, even the shoes aren't matching.


I thought the same thing. My daughter's organization skills would put that kid to shame. She does great in school, has plenty of friends and is one of the happiest kids I know - as long as you don't mess with her while she's arranging things.
 
2013-04-30 10:49:50 AM
Don't normally admire Turkish medical community but dammit ... that's actually pretty close to true
 
2013-04-30 10:50:23 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Can he see the wind? Can he see infrared light? Are television signals visible as they travel over wires?


Yes, yes, and yes.

Still can't see god, though.
 
2013-04-30 10:51:13 AM
I googled "aspergers" once because I suspect my inept supervisor has it. One of the search results was a link to some Christian forum discussing whether autism was a form on demonic possession. I feel so so sorry for any autistic child belonging to any of those religeous freaks.
 
2013-04-30 10:53:20 AM
No pics of Jenny so far.  We seem to be missing the point.
 
2013-04-30 10:54:03 AM

squibbits: I get it. Every time someone says something asinine, let's publish it so it pisses a lot of people off.gets a bunch of page views

 
2013-04-30 10:54:46 AM

ausfahrk: caused him to be missing a large portion of his forebrain,


Did he shoot himself in the head?
 
2013-04-30 10:55:13 AM

RoboZombie: You guys just don't understand the SCIENCE behind this. Jenny McCarthy does!
[www.uh.edu image 850x890]


Amazing how much cognition occurs in the sinus cavity. No wonder I can't think during pollen season!
 
Ant
2013-04-30 10:55:28 AM
All mentally retarded kids are fundamentalists and fundamentalism is a form of mental retardation.
 
Ant
2013-04-30 10:56:04 AM

duffblue: Atheism is a logical fallacy.


How so?
 
2013-04-30 10:56:25 AM

ausfahrk: True story:  When I was 12, I was called into the principal's office at school and told that my older cousin had committed suicide.  He was the product of a normal family who attended the Lutheran church in our small town, but he took his life at the end of a two-year slide that started with him renouncing his faith in God, in which he participated in sins and excesses of increasingly disturbing character.  Some of these included smoking marihuana, taking the innocence of his girlfriend, and stealing money from his parents to spend at the gambling parlour.  When he finally killed himself, I actually felt relieved because I knew it was the end of the suffering he'd put us through, even though he was likely headed to damnation.  Upon dissection of the corpse, they found that he had a developmental defect in his brain that caused him to be missing a large portion of his forebrain, and I can only imagine that it was related to the "area of faith" mentioned in the article.


And that's the news from Lake Woebegone, where all the women are strong, the men are good looking, and the children are above average.
 
2013-04-30 10:59:00 AM

mongbiohazard: ausfahrk: True story:  When I was 12, I was called into the principal's office at school and told that my older cousin had committed suicide.  He was the product of a normal family who attended the Lutheran church in our small town, but he took his life at the end of a two-year slide that started with him renouncing his faith in God, in which he participated in sins and excesses of increasingly disturbing character.  Some of these included smoking marihuana, taking the innocence of his girlfriend, and stealing money from his parents to spend at the gambling parlour.  When he finally killed himself, I actually felt relieved because I knew it was the end of the suffering he'd put us through, even though he was likely headed to damnation.  Upon dissection of the corpse, they found that he had a developmental defect in his brain that caused him to be missing a large portion of his forebrain, and I can only imagine that it was related to the "area of faith" mentioned in the article.

Now THAT'S a master trolling attempt. You didn't get many bites, but not for lack of trying!
9/10


'Gambling parlour' pushed it just a little bit too far.
 
2013-04-30 10:59:52 AM

ScaryBottles: duffblue: Atheism is a logical fallacy.

Sadly they have yet to discover what turns people into potatoheads.


I think that's Mattel.
 
2013-04-30 11:01:14 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-30 11:02:09 AM
Autism is a religion.
 
2013-04-30 11:02:39 AM
So according to this guy, religion is a side-effect of brain chemistry and has nothing to do with whether or not there's actually a higher power?

Does... does he even realize that he just asserted that his belief in god is likely incorrect?
 
2013-04-30 11:03:02 AM

Clemkadidlefark: Don't normally admire Turkish medical community but dammit ... that's actually pretty close to true


Says the guy who has schizophrenic, hallucinatory conversations with himself on Fark.com.
 
2013-04-30 11:04:04 AM

ausfahrk: True story:  When I was 12, I was called into the principal's office at school and told that my older cousin had committed suicide.  He was the product of a normal family who attended the Lutheran church in our small town, but he took his life at the end of a two-year slide that started with him renouncing his faith in God, in which he participated in sins and excesses of increasingly disturbing character.  Some of these included smoking marihuana, taking the innocence of his girlfriend, and stealing money from his parents to spend at the gambling parlour.  When he finally killed himself, I actually felt relieved because I knew it was the end of the suffering he'd put us through, even though he was likely headed to damnation.  Upon dissection of the corpse, they found that he had a developmental defect in his brain that caused him to be missing a large portion of his forebrain, and I can only imagine that it was related to the "area of faith" mentioned in the article.


1/10
 
2013-04-30 11:04:27 AM

Yogimus: ausfahrk: caused him to be missing a large portion of his forebrain,

Did he shoot himself in the head?


llddr.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-04-30 11:05:11 AM

Jim_Callahan: Does... does he even realize that he just asserted that his belief in god is likely incorrect?


He is a religious sociologist. He only 'realizes' what he is told to realize. Actual thought is strongly discouraged.
 
2013-04-30 11:08:04 AM

MustTryHarder: ausfahrk: True story:  When I was 12, I was called into the principal's office at school and told that my older cousin had committed suicide.  He was the product of a normal family who attended the Lutheran church in our small town, but he took his life at the end of a two-year slide that started with him renouncing his faith in God, in which he participated in sins and excesses of increasingly disturbing character.  Some of these included smoking marihuana, taking the innocence of his girlfriend, and stealing money from his parents to spend at the gambling parlour.  When he finally killed himself, I actually felt relieved because I knew it was the end of the suffering he'd put us through, even though he was likely headed to damnation.  Upon dissection of the corpse, they found that he had a developmental defect in his brain that caused him to be missing a large portion of his forebrain, and I can only imagine that it was related to the "area of faith" mentioned in the article.

Uh huh


I particularly enjoyed the use of the world "parlour". +1 gold star!
 
2013-04-30 11:08:16 AM

Reverend Monkeypants: My brother is autistic and has a serious problem with this because he believes the fark out of god and church and jesus.  He  almost went full... uh... retard and we had to dig the Jehovah's Witness BS out of his hands.


That's my brother, I worry about him constantly, he's easily lead.
 
2013-04-30 11:08:28 AM
So if autism is a form of atheism, and atheism is a religion, then religion is a form of autism!

/mind blown
 
2013-04-30 11:10:07 AM
duffblue 2013-04-30 09:32:16 AM
Atheism is a logical fallacy.

If atheism is a logical fallacy, it does not follow that theism is not a logical fallacy.
 
2013-04-30 11:10:27 AM

traylor: Autism is a religion.


Autism is Evolution
 
2013-04-30 11:10:49 AM

chrylis: StrangeQ: in Adana, Turkey.

Yeah, how about coming back when the source isn't from a part of the world still trying to pull itself out of the middle ages?

About half of Turkey is trying to pull itself back into the middle ages.  Turkey used to be fairly secular and has been getting more formally Islamic in recent years.


Had a blast in that country. It was soooooooo cheap the first time I went. 4 people eating and drinking for $10 or less. Free beer while shopping. Sometimes a kick-ass Doner. Handmade wool rug shipped back for free.

/vet
 
2013-04-30 11:11:39 AM

Silly_Sot: AverageAmericanGuy: He has a point. When you remove emotion from the equation and let logic take charge, belief in deities seems weird and incongruent with a universe predicated on examinable physical laws.

But humans are not purely logical creatures. Along with our logical minds, we are burdened with our emotional mind as well. Except in the case of autistic children, of course. They are emotionally crippled, for better or worse. As far as atheism goes, for the better, obviously.

Only if those "examinable physical laws" are strictly determinative, which they are not. I'm autistic (properly diagnosed, not one of those self-diagnosed fakers) and am still religious. I'm not an Evangelical Christian, Wahabbi Muslim, or other fundie, but I am a member of an organized Church. My choice, my faith. I could be wrong, and the atheists could be right, but I don't lose sleep over that. It's only the truly stupid and egotistical who get their panties severely in the bunch over the idea that someone else might have a different belief about God than ones own belief. What will God do with the unbelievers? That's His prerogative, not mine. If He wants, he can give everybody a Mulligan. It doesn't have to be fair, He's God.  Yes, it sucks, but reality sucks whether you're a believer or an atheist. I'll live my suckage, you'll live your suckage. I'll ask God to give you a freebie, so long as you're not harming others. Why not? In my little religious shared narrative, nobody actually deserves salvation, anyway, so there's nothing at all wrong with hoping God will let in just about everybody (maybe with a few selfish exceptions for pedophiles, murderers, dictators, etc.)

In my own particular case, adopting religion has improved my behavior and treatment of others. I must sadly admit that there are people of my acquaintance who probably would have been better off being atheists--and this would include the state/fate of their immortal souls.

No, this has not been a sophisticated troll. It's just one of those rare occasions when a reasonable and religious person pipes up to remind the extremist fanatics of all stripes that we do exist, and that we pretty much just wish to be left to our lives while you are left to yours. Our flavor of God is expected to be fully Just and fully Merciful, thus, He will sort it all out correctly, but we don't have the right to dictate to Him how He is going to do it.


That goes both ways as well. I'm an atheist and consider the idea of religion to be silly, but I consider religion to be a logical choice in light of life's nonsense. I wish I could believe, but nothing has convinced me that any religion is true.

I think moderate atheists/religious people are starting to get fed up with the extreme athiest/fundamentalist voices which tend to be the loudest.
 
2013-04-30 11:12:00 AM

jonny_q: Welp... on one hand, I'm happy that this thread didn't go all wharrgarbl like most of these threads.

On the other hand, I feel like I found the weird part of Fark and I need some help finding my way back to regular Fark.


You are in a maze of twisty passages, all alike.
 
2013-04-30 11:13:08 AM

It's pronounced pacKAGE: So if autism is a form of atheism, and atheism is a religion, then religion is a form of autism!

/mind blown


Religion = Superstition + $$$$$
 
2013-04-30 11:13:55 AM

xoxo: I googled "aspergers" once because I suspect my inept supervisor has it. One of the search results was a link to some Christian forum discussing whether autism was a form on demonic possession. I feel so so sorry for any autistic child belonging to any of those religeous freaks.


My mom took me to a Pentecostal church because I was having "fits".
 
2013-04-30 11:14:18 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: probesport: AverageAmericanGuy: My kid loves church but doesn't get the whole god is there but you can't see him thing.

Can he see the wind? Can he see infrared light? Are television signals visible as they travel over wires?

With the right equipment, yes. Still a no on the God front, unless you have a super Godometer 9000, we can't afford such luxuries here.

That's the problem. The 'God-shaped hole' doesn't exist and so he can't wrap his head around the life-changing experience salvation is for non-autistic people.

In a way his faith will need to be stronger for he believes without seeing.


Faith stronger = Brain weaker
With parenting like yours, he'll be there in no time.
I suggest keeping him out of public schools and teaching him with the only book anyone needs to learn about.
 
2013-04-30 11:19:06 AM
This is the thread where people find a random weirdo  with a farked up opinion about something scientific, then mock them by citing their own ignorance of the subject.
 
2013-04-30 11:22:06 AM
And, for the divide-by-zero moment of the day:

http://autisticsymphony.com/jca.html
 
2013-04-30 11:22:20 AM

jso2897: Dead for Tax Reasons: i guess god gave autistic kids a disease so they wouldn't believe in him then?

Well, that's pretty much the way He rolls.
Don't be hatin'.


So if god makes it so that it's physically impossible to believe in him and then sends you to hell for not believing in him then he just sounds like a total asshole.
 
2013-04-30 11:23:08 AM
But Islam is a 'religion of peace' and you're just a hater if you have a problem with it. This is what you get with nice moderate Islam right?

I'll say it again, Islam is currently the most repugnant religion on the planet and considering they have to compete with the Catholics for that title, that's really saying something.
 
2013-04-30 11:23:21 AM

doubled99: This is the thread where people find a random weirdo  with a farked up opinion about something scientific, then mock them by citing their own ignorance of the subject.




Besides you, how many Farkers are neurologists?
 
2013-04-30 11:29:45 AM

Somacandra: I'm buying stock in popcorn for this one.


I've got a monopoly on butter.  We should talk.
 
2013-04-30 11:33:05 AM

van1ty: Technically if you haven't considered the question of God then you are by definition an atheist....


lh5.googleusercontent.com
I wonder if it's possible to be an agnostic and an atheist at the same time?
 
2013-04-30 11:34:12 AM

doubled99: This is the thread where people find a random weirdo  with a farked up opinion about something scientific, then mock them by citing their own ignorance of the subject.


Welcome to the entire internets.
 
2013-04-30 11:34:18 AM

ausfahrk: True story:  When I was 12, I was called into the principal's office at school and told that my older cousin had committed suicide.  He was the product of a normal family who attended the Lutheran church in our small town, but he took his life at the end of a two-year slide that started with him renouncing his faith in God, in which he participated in sins and excesses of increasingly disturbing character.  Some of these included smoking marihuana, taking the innocence of his girlfriend, and stealing money from his parents to spend at the gambling parlour.  When he finally killed himself, I actually felt relieved because I knew it was the end of the suffering he'd put us through, even though he was likely headed to damnation.  Upon dissection of the corpse, they found that he had a developmental defect in his brain that caused him to be missing a large portion of his forebrain, and I can only imagine that it was related to the "area of faith" mentioned in the article.


8/10 for hitting just the right tone of concern and maintaining it until the end.
 
2013-04-30 11:34:39 AM

randomjsa: I'll say it again,


No doubt.
 
2013-04-30 11:35:06 AM

Silly_Sot: AverageAmericanGuy: He has a point. When you remove emotion from the equation and let logic take charge, belief in deities seems weird and incongruent with a universe predicated on examinable physical laws.

But humans are not purely logical creatures. Along with our logical minds, we are burdened with our emotional mind as well. Except in the case of autistic children, of course. They are emotionally crippled, for better or worse. As far as atheism goes, for the better, obviously.

Only if those "examinable physical laws" are strictly determinative, which they are not. I'm autistic (properly diagnosed, not one of those self-diagnosed fakers) and am still religious. I'm not an Evangelical Christian, Wahabbi Muslim, or other fundie, but I am a member of an organized Church. My choice, my faith. I could be wrong, and the atheists could be right, but I don't lose sleep over that. It's only the truly stupid and egotistical who get their panties severely in the bunch over the idea that someone else might have a different belief about God than ones own belief. What will God do with the unbelievers? That's His prerogative, not mine. If He wants, he can give everybody a Mulligan. It doesn't have to be fair, He's God.  Yes, it sucks, but reality sucks whether you're a believer or an atheist. I'll live my suckage, you'll live your suckage. I'll ask God to give you a freebie, so long as you're not harming others. Why not? In my little religious shared narrative, nobody actually deserves salvation, anyway, so there's nothing at all wrong with hoping God will let in just about everybody (maybe with a few selfish exceptions for pedophiles, murderers, dictators, etc.)

In my own particular case, adopting religion has improved my behavior and treatment of others. I must sadly admit that there are people of my acquaintance who probably would have been better off being atheists--and this would include the state/fate of their immortal souls.

No, this has not been a sophisticated trol ...


I for the most part agree with you. I spent a long time trying to rationalize the concept of a kind and loving god with one who would sentence someone to hell over moral events that they had no way of confirming. My only conclusion, other then a lack of god, was that such a deity would wait until each soul was untethered from worldly shackles/concerns and able to comprehend all of creation. If that soul is still consumed with hate, anger, fear, then he does the only thing that a kind and loving deity could do, he mercifully sends the soul that so hates existence into oblivion. No pain, no suffering, just nothingness.

/That is the quick and dirty version. I can go far more in depth with the philosophical/Theistic underpinnings if someone wishes.
 
2013-04-30 11:36:45 AM

ciberido: 8/10 for hitting just the right tone of concern and maintaining it until the end.


Almost everyone is giving this guy high marks but he got almost no bites.

Taking the word troll back to its roots in fishing ... if a guy is trolling and comes home with no fish then he was a failure. No matter how good he looked doing it.

I give him a 2/10.
 
2013-04-30 11:36:55 AM

Space Station Wagon: ausfahrk: True story:  When I was 12, I was called into the principal's office at school and told that my older cousin had committed suicide.  He was the product of a normal family who attended the Lutheran church in our small town, but he took his life at the end of a two-year slide that started with him renouncing his faith in God, in which he participated in sins and excesses of increasingly disturbing character.  Some of these included smoking marihuana, taking the innocence of his girlfriend, and stealing money from his parents to spend at the gambling parlour.  When he finally killed himself, I actually felt relieved because I knew it was the end of the suffering he'd put us through, even though he was likely headed to damnation.  Upon dissection of the corpse, they found that he had a developmental defect in his brain that caused him to be missing a large portion of his forebrain, and I can only imagine that it was related to the "area of faith" mentioned in the article.

So god made him and then gave him a tumor, which caused him to leave the faith, sin and they kill himself condemning him to eternal damnation.
God is kind of a dick.


3.bp.blogspot.com
Are you sure it was a tumor?
 
2013-04-30 11:37:27 AM

randomjsa: But Islam is a 'religion of peace' and you're just a hater if you have a problem with it. This is what you get with nice moderate Islam right?

I'll say it again, Islam is currently the most repugnant religion on the planet and considering they have to compete with the Catholics for that title, that's really saying something.


Did you hear a line on "Homeland?"
 "So you're a religious person and a torturer.  What are you, catholic?"
 
2013-04-30 11:44:13 AM

hej: ModernPrimitive01: so vaccinations cause atheism then?

Yes.
[ecx.images-amazon.com image 333x500]


Are those ..... noodly appendages?
 
2013-04-30 11:45:57 AM

buckler: jonny_q: Welp... on one hand, I'm happy that this thread didn't go all wharrgarbl like most of these threads.

On the other hand, I feel like I found the weird part of Fark and I need some help finding my way back to regular Fark.

You are in a maze of twisty passages, all alike.


> TURN OFF LAMP
 
2013-04-30 11:47:23 AM

ciberido: hej: ModernPrimitive01: so vaccinations cause atheism then?

Yes.
[ecx.images-amazon.com image 333x500]

Are those ..... noodly appendages?


rAmen.
 
2013-04-30 11:48:19 AM
I am a devout Methodist, and my autistic son goes to Sunday School every week, but I don't look for him to be religious when he grows up. It just seems like he isn't going to be able to grasp an abstract concept like the Trinity. I'm not even sure I grasp it. He asks a lot of questions about religion (mostly when trying to delay going to sleep at night) but I make sure to tell him that everyone doesn't believe the same thing, and some people don't believe anything, and that's okay. It appears to me that even if one was a hell fire and brimstone fundamentalist, one would assume God gives autistics a pass, seeing as how He is the one who made them so literal-minded.
 
2013-04-30 11:51:12 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Stories like yours gives me a lot of hope. We know that people are lining up at the government's behest to get their kids vaccinated for access to school and summer camps. If autism is indeed treatable, that's one fewer reason to avoid getting the shots.

Obviously not all cases of autism are caused by such things. Most cases are difficult to pin on any single event. But treatments like your nephew is in could be the difference between a life of solitude and one of joy.


He's very lucky that there is a really good autism school in Indy.  It's called Cornerstone if anyone is interested.
 
2013-04-30 11:51:46 AM
I'm pretty sure I've dealt with a lot of autistic Christians, and that we were attacked on 9/11/2001 by autistic Moozlams.
 
2013-04-30 11:54:36 AM
Teach them the love of god.
ts2.mm.bing.net
Even if you have to beat it into them.
 
2013-04-30 11:54:59 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Revek: AverageAmericanGuy: Carn: AverageAmericanGuy: He has a point. When you remove emotion from the equation and let logic take charge, belief in deities seems weird and incongruent with a universe predicated on examinable physical laws.

But humans are not purely logical creatures. Along with our logical minds, we are burdened with our emotional mind as well. Except in the case of autistic children, of course. They are emotionally crippled, for better or worse. As far as atheism goes, for the better, obviously.

Autistic kids aren't emotionally crippled man.  My nephew is autistic, but he loves his sister and mother and grandparents and uncles, tells jokes (that are amazingly clever and funny for a 6 year old), loves robots, mario and superheroes, and in many ways is pretty much a normal kid.  He's got issues, but he's gotten way better with treatment and a huge part of that has been diet and supplements.  Autism for some may be an almost completely treatable condition.

Well, it's a spectrum disease. There are many with mild autism who are likely as not to find salvation in Jesus. And there are those who would not accept the existence of God if their souls depended on it.

I'm glad to hear your nephew is on the mild end of the spectrum.

My kid loves church but doesn't get the whole god is there but you can't see him thing.

Can he see the wind? Can he see infrared light? Are television signals visible as they travel over wires?


No but he can see the pictures and has a understanding of electricity which does have observable phenomena.  He also enjoys pointing the remote at the webcam and looking at the light coming from the remote.
 
2013-04-30 11:56:34 AM

Ennuipoet: [www.imglols.com image 570x423]

Don't tell the Fundies this, they will be trying to cure atheists like the "cure" teh gheys.


ummmm.... they been trying that for thousands of years.
 
2013-04-30 12:07:30 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: Revek: AverageAmericanGuy: Carn: AverageAmericanGuy: blah blah blah
Can he see the wind? Can he see infrared light? Are television signals visible as they travel over wires?



Ignorance at it's best!
/..... the wrold stops existing once I turn my back too!
 
2013-04-30 12:11:25 PM

HAMMERTOE: How likely/ unlikely is it that an autistic child will have an imaginary friend of any kind?

Correlation?


As an HFA I can say, fairly unlikely. Cognition of something that isn't there can be a difficult concept for an autistic youth.

All of any group doesn't do the same thing, ever. Broad sweeping statements are indicative of a lack of dynamic thinking capacity. My personal religious beliefs would have the author of the article in a right tizzy, which would be a lot of fun to watch.
 
2013-04-30 12:13:14 PM

Toggles: Given the vast size and scope of the known universe, from the smallest of atomic particles to the largest of the galactic superclusters. Being a person can be a wicked mind trip. Even at human scales, a planet with 6 billion people can be overwhelming. Especially when you consider that most of those 6 billion people are mean and have no regard for you at all. and a significant number of them even want you dead.

As a way to cope with it all, talking with an imaginary friend is cool with me. It is a perfectly valid strategy for dealing with the universe, and I have used it myself once in a while. It is even okay to form "imaginary friend club" with like minded people. Perhaps your club can do something to better the community.

But remember the rule: Don't make me talk to your imaginary friend, and I wont make you talk to mine.


it is humbling to consider the scale and uncaring grandeur of the universe.

I also remember that, as awesome as the distant stars may be, I'm made from the same building blocks. ashes and dust, all the same. I am as significant as the stars, as are you.
 
2013-04-30 12:16:40 PM

ciberido: van1ty: Technically if you haven't considered the question of God then you are by definition an atheist....

[lh5.googleusercontent.com image 250x250]
I wonder if it's possible to be an agnostic and an atheist at the same time?


Yes.. agnostic is from the greek word for knowledge. So an agnostic is someone who is not claiming absolute knowledge.

Theist regards gods. Atheist means without gods, theist means with gods.

I can be an atheist (no belief in a god) and still be agnostic (not claiming to have absolute knowledge of a lack of gods).
 
2013-04-30 12:17:43 PM

duffblue: Atheism is a logical fallacy.


Like Faith isn't?

(PS: Atheism makes no affirmative claim, and therefore is not a logical proposition at all, so your assertion is false on its face.  Mine, however, is not, for the opposite reason.)
 
2013-04-30 12:22:22 PM

duffblue: Atheism is a logical fallacy.


Oh come on, you can't just leave us with that. If you're going to troll, have the courtesy to put some freakin' meat on the hook.
 
2013-04-30 12:22:29 PM

ScaryBottles: Sadly they have yet to discover what turns people into potatoheads.


More research is needed, but It is apparently highly correlated with living in Mojave in a Winnebago.

Getting slobbering drunk at the Palomino is also highly suspect.

Thirty days in San Bernardino is recommended as a corrective.

(NB: there's only one shower, but it don't apply to Bobby.)
 
2013-04-30 12:31:52 PM

Deucednuisance: duffblue: Atheism is a logical fallacy.

Like Faith isn't?

(PS: Atheism makes no affirmative claim, and therefore is not a logical proposition at all, so your assertion is false on its face.  Mine, however, is not, for the opposite reason.)


everyone does make a claim of some sort in the usual fark poo flinging contest, though.

I don't have a problem with atheists or Muslims or whomever, in general.

it's the kind that says, "you are wrong, I am right" or "you are stupid because your ideas are not mine" or similar, as if they alone possess the truth... that's where belief/ non belief issues become problematic at times.

I acknowledge being human, and thus fallible. I do say what I think, but I can't say what I think is always right, which is what the usual poo contests on here boil
down to.
 
2013-04-30 12:36:57 PM

duffblue: Atheism is a logical fallacy.


Ok I'll bite ... how is it a fallacy?
 
2013-04-30 12:42:35 PM
Homosexuality is a Learned Behaviour.
 
2013-04-30 12:46:22 PM
I don't know about all of them, but there is a cold hard logic element to autism that tends to conflict with belief in invisible friends.
 
2013-04-30 12:46:27 PM

shortymac: Reverend Monkeypants: My brother is autistic and has a serious problem with this because he believes the fark out of god and church and jesus.  He  almost went full... uh... retard and we had to dig the Jehovah's Witness BS out of his hands.

That's my brother, I worry about him constantly, he's easily lead.


That must weigh heavy on you.
 
2013-04-30 12:47:03 PM
You know who else believed in areas of the brain....


/ Unavailable for comment
img442.imageshack.us
 
2013-04-30 12:48:39 PM
I haven't read all of the posts yet, but wanted to throw this in...

Aren't all children born atheists?  Don't all children require "methods of therapy" in order to be indoctrinated into believing in god?
 
2013-04-30 12:52:15 PM

HAMMERTOE: "No man ever believes that the bible means what it says. He is always convinced that the bible means what he says."

-George Bernard Shaw

I was one of those people, until a Buddhist asked me one day, "Why do you worship a deity of whom you have lower standard of expectations of than you would have of a 16 y/o babysitter?" I then sat down and read the entire bible as a complete book, and was never the same again.

The only thing that autism has in common with atheism is an extremely low tolerance for bullshiat.


Funny, the line I was given was 13.  Of course, I was around that age at the time and talking to myself, but simply asking myself why there's such a lower standard for god than your average 13 year old really helped me move away from faith in general.  It wasn't the tipping point, but it did set me on the road.
 
2013-04-30 12:54:08 PM

Undead_Elvis: I haven't read all of the posts yet, but wanted to throw this in...

Aren't all children born atheists?  Don't all children require "methods of therapy" in order to be indoctrinated into believing in god?


I don't think the comment was limited to small children, and includes those old enough to have been given a few doses of the Kool-Aid already.
 
2013-04-30 12:54:29 PM

letrole: Homosexuality is a Learned Behaviour.


Well, Aristotle DID do it...
 
2013-04-30 12:55:44 PM

friday13: HAMMERTOE: "No man ever believes that the bible means what it says. He is always convinced that the bible means what he says."

-George Bernard Shaw

I was one of those people, until a Buddhist asked me one day, "Why do you worship a deity of whom you have lower standard of expectations of than you would have of a 16 y/o babysitter?" I then sat down and read the entire bible as a complete book, and was never the same again.

The only thing that autism has in common with atheism is an extremely low tolerance for bullshiat.

Funny, the line I was given was 13.  Of course, I was around that age at the time and talking to myself, but simply asking myself why there's such a lower standard for god than your average 13 year old really helped me move away from faith in general.  It wasn't the tipping point, but it did set me on the road.


I was "distracted" by the idea of 16 year old babysitters. Don't go lowering the age to 13.
 
2013-04-30 12:58:06 PM
Seems to me a lot of autistic kids lack an asinine demagoguery center in their brains, too. Guess they can't be preachers or politicians.
 
2013-04-30 01:17:51 PM

neversubmit: Ok I found a study.

Religious Belief Systems of Persons with High Functioning Autism (PDF)


Abstract


The cognitive science of religion is a new field which explains religious belief as emerging from normal cognitive processes such as inferring others' mental states, agency detection and imposing patterns on noise. This paper investigates the proposal that individual differences in belief will reflect cognitive processing styles, with high functioning autism being an extreme style that will predispose towards nonbelief (atheism and agnosticism). This view was supported by content analysis of discussion forums about religion on an autism website (covering 192 unique posters), and by a survey that included 61 persons with HFA. Persons with autistic spectrum disorder were much more likely than those in our neurotypical comparison group to identify as atheist or agnostic, and, if religious, were more likely to construct their own religious belief system. Nonbelief was also higher in those who were attracted to systemizing activities, as measured by the Systemizing Quotient.


Correlation hrmphhrmphhrmph causation, etc.  I could interpret the same data as autism, having been found to affect socialization, causes autistics not to require the social support system that modern religions provide, hence the predisposition for atheism and or agnosticism and the construction of their own religious belief system.
 
hej
2013-04-30 01:29:25 PM

Farking Canuck: ciberido: 8/10 for hitting just the right tone of concern and maintaining it until the end.

Almost everyone is giving this guy high marks but he got almost no bites.

Taking the word troll back to its roots in fishing ... if a guy is trolling and comes home with no fish then he was a failure. No matter how good he looked doing it.

I give him a 2/10.


The high marks were based on the entertainment value of the troll itself, not the responses he got.
 
2013-04-30 01:31:24 PM

SheltemDragon: Silly_Sot: AverageAmericanGuy: He has a point. When you remove emotion from the equation and let logic take charge, belief in deities seems weird and incongruent with a universe predicated on examinable physical laws.

But humans are not purely logical creatures. Along with our logical minds, we are burdened with our emotional mind as well. Except in the case of autistic children, of course. They are emotionally crippled, for better or worse. As far as atheism goes, for the better, obviously.

Only if those "examinable physical laws" are strictly determinative, which they are not. I'm autistic (properly diagnosed, not one of those self-diagnosed fakers) and am still religious. I'm not an Evangelical Christian, Wahabbi Muslim, or other fundie, but I am a member of an organized Church. My choice, my faith. I could be wrong, and the atheists could be right, but I don't lose sleep over that. It's only the truly stupid and egotistical who get their panties severely in the bunch over the idea that someone else might have a different belief about God than ones own belief. What will God do with the unbelievers? That's His prerogative, not mine. If He wants, he can give everybody a Mulligan. It doesn't have to be fair, He's God.  Yes, it sucks, but reality sucks whether you're a believer or an atheist. I'll live my suckage, you'll live your suckage. I'll ask God to give you a freebie, so long as you're not harming others. Why not? In my little religious shared narrative, nobody actually deserves salvation, anyway, so there's nothing at all wrong with hoping God will let in just about everybody (maybe with a few selfish exceptions for pedophiles, murderers, dictators, etc.)

In my own particular case, adopting religion has improved my behavior and treatment of others. I must sadly admit that there are people of my acquaintance who probably would have been better off being atheists--and this would include the state/fate of their immortal souls.

No, this has not been a sophist ...


I like you're philosophy.

I came to the conclusion that we are God's SIMs game that has been ignored for years.
 
2013-04-30 01:34:35 PM

Space Station Wagon: ausfahrk: True story:  When I was 12, I was called into the principal's office at school and told that my older cousin had committed suicide.  He was the product of a normal family who attended the Lutheran church in our small town, but he took his life at the end of a two-year slide that started with him renouncing his faith in God, in which he participated in sins and excesses of increasingly disturbing character.  Some of these included smoking marihuana, taking the innocence of his girlfriend, and stealing money from his parents to spend at the gambling parlour.  When he finally killed himself, I actually felt relieved because I knew it was the end of the suffering he'd put us through, even though he was likely headed to damnation.  Upon dissection of the corpse, they found that he had a developmental defect in his brain that caused him to be missing a large portion of his forebrain, and I can only imagine that it was related to the "area of faith" mentioned in the article.

So god made him and then gave him a tumor, which caused him to leave the faith, sin and they kill himself condemning him to eternal damnation.
God is kind of a dick.


God is ALWAYS a dick. But he loves you, and he *needs* your money.
 
2013-04-30 01:40:15 PM

hej: ModernPrimitive01: so vaccinations cause atheism then?

Yes.
[ecx.images-amazon.com image 333x500]


The organism in that picture is a bacterium, not a virus.
 
2013-04-30 02:00:40 PM
Oh my f*cking god this moran is  actually in charge of autistic children. Why the hell is he not fired yet?
 
2013-04-30 02:04:56 PM

Dead for Tax Reasons: i guess god gave autistic kids a disease so they wouldn't believe in him then?



I just extruded an entire cheese sandwich through my nose, thank you.
 
2013-04-30 02:16:22 PM

megarian: I liked the link at the bottom of the article with the picture of bridesmaid-butt cheeks.


I did not see that. My apologies. Had I seen I would have labeled "possibly NSFW content on site"
 
2013-04-30 02:26:23 PM

Carn: AverageAmericanGuy: He has a point. When you remove emotion from the equation and let logic take charge, belief in deities seems weird and incongruent with a universe predicated on examinable physical laws.

But humans are not purely logical creatures. Along with our logical minds, we are burdened with our emotional mind as well. Except in the case of autistic children, of course. They are emotionally crippled, for better or worse. As far as atheism goes, for the better, obviously.

Autistic kids aren't emotionally crippled man.  My nephew is autistic, but he loves his sister and mother and grandparents and uncles, tells jokes (that are amazingly clever and funny for a 6 year old), loves robots, mario and superheroes, and in many ways is pretty much a normal kid.  He's got issues, but he's gotten way better with treatment and a huge part of that has been diet and supplements.  Autism for some may be an almost completely treatable condition.


Yes, but does he BEEEEELIEEEEVE?
 
2013-04-30 02:26:58 PM

shortymac: I came to the conclusion that we are God's SIMs game that has been ignored for years.


I think he's a programmer trying to do kludges while the program is running.  It's ugly, the documentation is poor and there are hiccups during runtime, but it just barely works.
 
2013-04-30 02:38:56 PM
Yeah well. I'd rather be autistic than retarded.
 
2013-04-30 02:42:09 PM

Farking Canuck: ciberido: 8/10 for hitting just the right tone of concern and maintaining it until the end.

Almost everyone is giving this guy high marks but he got almost no bites.

Taking the word troll back to its roots in fishing ... if a guy is trolling and comes home with no fish then he was a failure. No matter how good he looked doing it.

I give him a 2/10.


It depends on how you define a "bite."  If a bite requires that the person responding not know that he's being trolled, then you're right, it was terrible.  But if a "bite" is getting ANY response at all, including replies about the fact that he's trolling, then he got a ton of bites.

I call this approach "meta-trolling": when you get people discussing (or better yet, arguing about) whether or not you were trolling, and that was your original intention, then you're meta-trolling.

/Also, I was really grading him more on style than on effectiveness.
 
2013-04-30 02:43:28 PM
Can he see the wind? Can he see infrared light? Are television signals visible as they travel over wires?


Yes, yes and yes. Why do you ask? Oh right. Nice trolling.

0/10
 
2013-04-30 02:43:31 PM
Undead_Elvis 2013-04-30 12:48:39 PM
Aren't all children born atheists? Don't all children require "methods of therapy" in order to be indoctrinated into believing in god?

A baby is born as a god. Experience leads him to conclude that he is not the entire universe.
 
2013-04-30 02:44:13 PM

stampylives: Ennuipoet: [www.imglols.com image 570x423]

Don't tell the Fundies this, they will be trying to cure atheists like the "cure" teh gheys.

ummmm.... they been trying that for thousands of years.


I guess trying to force people into taking "religion vaccinations" is better than forcing them into iron maidens, so hey, chalk this up as progress.
 
2013-04-30 02:45:44 PM

ciberido: van1ty: Technically if you haven't considered the question of God then you are by definition an atheist....

i.imgur.com
I wonder if it's possible to be an agnostic and an atheist at the same time?



it's all about recognizing what you believe versus what you know


 i.imgur.com

i.imgur.com
 
hej
2013-04-30 02:48:35 PM

HortusMatris: hej: ModernPrimitive01: so vaccinations cause atheism then?

Yes.
[ecx.images-amazon.com image 333x500]

The organism in that picture is a bacterium, not a virus.


I shall notify the author immediately.
 
2013-04-30 02:48:56 PM

Uchiha_Cycliste: Space Station Wagon: ausfahrk: True story:  When I was 12, I was called into the principal's office at school and told that my older cousin had committed suicide.  He was the product of a normal family who attended the Lutheran church in our small town, but he took his life at the end of a two-year slide that started with him renouncing his faith in God, in which he participated in sins and excesses of increasingly disturbing character.  Some of these included smoking marihuana, taking the innocence of his girlfriend, and stealing money from his parents to spend at the gambling parlour.  When he finally killed himself, I actually felt relieved because I knew it was the end of the suffering he'd put us through, even though he was likely headed to damnation.  Upon dissection of the corpse, they found that he had a developmental defect in his brain that caused him to be missing a large portion of his forebrain, and I can only imagine that it was related to the "area of faith" mentioned in the article.

So god made him and then gave him a tumor, which caused him to leave the faith, sin and they kill himself condemning him to eternal damnation.
God is kind of a dick.

God is ALWAYS a dick. But he loves you, and he *needs* your money.



Hey, hey, know, Jesus he knows me!
 
2013-04-30 02:54:20 PM

gul_jay: ciberido: van1ty: Technically if you haven't considered the question of God then you are by definition an atheist....

[i.imgur.com image 250x250]
I wonder if it's possible to be an agnostic and an atheist at the same time?


it's all about recognizing what you believe versus what you know


 [i.imgur.com image 530x464]

[i.imgur.com image 349x250]


4.bp.blogspot.com
I don't always troll, but when I do, I prefer atheism.
 
2013-04-30 03:11:18 PM
And you seriously don't want to be around someone with lupus when there's a full moon.
 
2013-04-30 03:30:53 PM

hej: HortusMatris: hej: ModernPrimitive01: so vaccinations cause atheism then?

Yes.
[ecx.images-amazon.com image 333x500]

The organism in that picture is a bacterium, not a virus.

I shall notify the author immediately.


Very good.  Carry on.
 
2013-04-30 03:42:25 PM
Surly U. Jest:

ausfahrk: True story:  When I was 12, I was called into the principal's office at school and told that my older cousin had committed suicide.  He was the product of a normal family who attended the Lutheran church in our small town, but he took his life at the end of a two-year slide that started with him renouncing his faith in God, in which he participated in sins and excesses of increasingly disturbing character.  Some of these included smoking marihuana, taking the innocence of his girlfriend, and stealing money from his parents to spend at the gambling parlour.  When he finally killed himself, I actually felt relieved because I knew it was the end of the suffering he'd put us through, even though he was likely headed to damnation.  Upon dissection of the corpse, they found that he had a developmental defect in his brain that caused him to be missing a large portion of his forebrain, and I can only imagine that it was related to the "area of faith" mentioned in the article.

7/10
Nice use of old timey language.


I would have used, "took his girlfriend's maidenhead"
 
2013-04-30 03:58:10 PM
Alternatively:
Faith is a throwback to early humanity when superstitions were necessary for survival of the group. Therefore, atheists are more highly evolved.
 
2013-04-30 04:00:53 PM
I think they're confusing being a fan of Sonic the Hedgehog with atheism somehow.
 
2013-04-30 04:14:27 PM

dustygrimp: neversubmit: Ok I found a study.

Religious Belief Systems of Persons with High Functioning Autism (PDF)


Abstract


The cognitive science of religion is a new field which explains religious belief as emerging from normal cognitive processes such as inferring others' mental states, agency detection and imposing patterns on noise. This paper investigates the proposal that individual differences in belief will reflect cognitive processing styles, with high functioning autism being an extreme style that will predispose towards nonbelief (atheism and agnosticism). This view was supported by content analysis of discussion forums about religion on an autism website (covering 192 unique posters), and by a survey that included 61 persons with HFA. Persons with autistic spectrum disorder were much more likely than those in our neurotypical comparison group to identify as atheist or agnostic, and, if religious, were more likely to construct their own religious belief system. Nonbelief was also higher in those who were attracted to systemizing activities, as measured by the Systemizing Quotient.

Correlation hrmphhrmphhrmph causation, etc.  I could interpret the same data as autism, having been found to affect socialization, causes autistics not to require the social support system that modern religions provide, hence the predisposition for atheism and or agnosticism and the construction of their own religious belief system.


Came here to say this.
 
2013-04-30 04:35:56 PM

ciberido: stampylives: Ennuipoet: [www.imglols.com image 570x423]

Don't tell the Fundies this, they will be trying to cure atheists like the "cure" teh gheys.

ummmm.... they been trying that for thousands of years.

I guess trying to force people into taking "religion vaccinations" is better than forcing them into iron maidens, so hey, chalk this up as progress.


Iron Maiden?

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-04-30 05:16:27 PM
AverageAmericanGuy:
Stories like yours gives me a lot of hope. We know that people are lining up at the government's behest to get their kids vaccinated for access to school and summer camps. If autism is indeed treatable, that's one fewer reason to avoid getting the shots.

Obviously not all cases of autism are caused by such things. Most cases are difficult to pin on any single event. But treatments like your nephew is in could be the difference between a life of solitude and one of joy.


Please tell me that I misinterpreted you here... You seem to be able to form coherent written sentences, which should have automatically disqualified you from the three-legged 'AUTISM IS COZ OF SHAWTS" race...

You do know that British pediatrician who suggested the link in the 70s was repeatedly tarred and feathered for opening his yap without doing any kind of actual research, right?

/ First shots at 8 weeks. Neurological development shows autism traits starting ~8-16 weeks
// Correlation != Causation
/// Andrew Wakefield is a farking hack.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield
 
2013-04-30 05:17:13 PM

NewWorldDan: Generally, I find that religious people are missing the section of their brain for logic and reason.


This.
 
2013-04-30 05:19:23 PM
Herp-a-derp... 90s...

D'oh.
 
2013-04-30 05:23:50 PM

ciberido: van1ty: Technically if you haven't considered the question of God then you are by definition an atheist....

[lh5.googleusercontent.com image 250x250]
I wonder if it's possible to be an agnostic and an atheist at the same time?


Oh don't YOU start.
 
2013-04-30 05:27:36 PM

patchvonbraun: And, for the divide-by-zero moment of the day:

http://autisticsymphony.com/jca.html


That had serious potential as both a satire and a troll, but then they explained the joke at length before telling it.

Undead_Elvis: Aren't all children born atheists?


Apparently, most children are born essentially animist.
 
2013-04-30 05:31:21 PM

Mach10: Please tell me that I misinterpreted you here... You seem to be able to form coherent written sentences, which should have automatically disqualified you from the three-legged 'AUTISM IS COZ OF SHAWTS" race...


Check the username. AverageAmericanGuy is a long-form troll who specializes in being that guy who should know better and therefore makes you want to slap him.  (It seems like some of his wrong opinions are genuine, but he does such a consistent job it's hard to tell.)
 
2013-04-30 05:42:29 PM

chrylis: Mach10: Please tell me that I misinterpreted you here... You seem to be able to form coherent written sentences, which should have automatically disqualified you from the three-legged 'AUTISM IS COZ OF SHAWTS" race...

Check the username. AverageAmericanGuy is a long-form troll who specializes in being that guy who should know better and therefore makes you want to slap him.  (It seems like some of his wrong opinions are genuine, but he does such a consistent job it's hard to tell.)


Oh, snap!
I'll give it 8/10 for the face-palm.

Kudos!

/I've got to start paying attention to names >:\
 
2013-04-30 06:13:34 PM
Mach10:

/I've got to start paying attention to names >:\

Just favorite everyone with a description and a color. I use dark grey for trolls so their text blends in making it easy to skip but it is still legible if you actually want to reed the derp.
 
2013-04-30 06:35:52 PM

Mach10: chrylis: Mach10: Please tell me that I misinterpreted you here... You seem to be able to form coherent written sentences, which should have automatically disqualified you from the three-legged 'AUTISM IS COZ OF SHAWTS" race...

Check the username. AverageAmericanGuy is a long-form troll who specializes in being that guy who should know better and therefore makes you want to slap him.  (It seems like some of his wrong opinions are genuine, but he does such a consistent job it's hard to tell.)

Oh, snap!
I'll give it 8/10 for the face-palm.

Kudos!

/I've got to start paying attention to names >:\


You mean some of the people who post here aren't trolls.

/unpossible
 
2013-04-30 06:41:01 PM

neversubmit: Kaya also said that they will turn autistic children into believers through therapy sessions that will be offered freely in therapy centers in the future.

Not just a monster but an honest monster fuuuuuuu


not surprising that the religious have a self serving agenda, to recruit you to someones personal army
/they typically call it charity
 
2013-04-30 06:55:14 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: Carn: AverageAmericanGuy: Carn: AverageAmericanGuy: He has a point. When you remove emotion from the equation and let logic take charge, belief in deities seems weird and incongruent with a universe predicated on examinable physical laws.

But humans are not purely logical creatures. Along with our logical minds, we are burdened with our emotional mind as well. Except in the case of autistic children, of course. They are emotionally crippled, for better or worse. As far as atheism goes, for the better, obviously.

Autistic kids aren't emotionally crippled man.  My nephew is autistic, but he loves his sister and mother and grandparents and uncles, tells jokes (that are amazingly clever and funny for a 6 year old), loves robots, mario and superheroes, and in many ways is pretty much a normal kid.  He's got issues, but he's gotten way better with treatment and a huge part of that has been diet and supplements.  Autism for some may be an almost completely treatable condition.

Well, it's a spectrum disease. There are many with mild autism who are likely as not to find salvation in Jesus. And there are those who would not accept the existence of God if their souls depended on it.

I'm glad to hear your nephew is on the mild end of the spectrum.

True and true.  After seeing his transformation I can firmly say that early detection and treatment are very important.  My nephew went from basically non-verbal to "Hi Uncle Carn!  How are you today?!" in a period of months.

Stories like yours gives me a lot of hope. We know that people are lining up at the government's behest to get their kids vaccinated for access to school and summer camps. If autism is indeed treatable, that's one fewer reason to avoid getting the shots.

Obviously not all cases of autism are caused by such things. Most cases are difficult to pin on any single event. But treatments like your nephew is in could be the difference between a life of solitude and one of joy.


0 cases of autism are caused by vaccinations
 
2013-04-30 07:25:26 PM

ausfahrk: True story:  When I was 12, I was called into the principal's office at school and told that my older cousin had committed suicide.  He was the product of a normal family who attended the Lutheran church in our small town, but he took his life at the end of a two-year slide that started with him renouncing his faith in God, in which he participated in sins and excesses of increasingly disturbing character.  Some of these included smoking marihuana, taking the innocence of his girlfriend, and stealing money from his parents to spend at the gambling parlour.  When he finally killed himself, I actually felt relieved because I knew it was the end of the suffering he'd put us through, even though he was likely headed to damnation.  Upon dissection of the corpse, they found that he had a developmental defect in his brain that caused him to be missing a large portion of his forebrain, and I can only imagine that it was related to the "area of faith" mentioned in the article.


"If once a man indulges himself in murder, very soon he comes to think little of robbing; and from robbing he comes next to drinking and Sabbath-breaking, and from that to incivility and procrastination." - Thomas De Quincey
 
2013-04-30 07:33:22 PM
It may be the case that atheism is related to autism. It certainly is the case that Christianity is related to Down Syndrome.
 
2013-04-30 07:48:36 PM

gul_jay: ciberido: van1ty: Technically if you haven't considered the question of God then you are by definition an atheist....

[i.imgur.com image 250x250]
I wonder if it's possible to be an agnostic and an atheist at the same time?


it's all about recognizing what you believe versus what you know


 [i.imgur.com image 530x464]

[i.imgur.com image 349x250]


My mother was an atheist and my father was an agnostic. They couldn't agree on what religion not to bring us up in.
 
2013-04-30 07:54:42 PM

ausfahrk: True story:  When I was 12, I was called into the principal's office at school and told that my older cousin had committed suicide.  He was the product of a normal family who attended the Lutheran church in our small town, but he took his life at the end of a two-year slide that started with him renouncing his faith in God, in which he participated in sins and excesses of increasingly disturbing character.  Some of these included smoking marihuana, taking the innocence of his girlfriend, and stealing money from his parents to spend at the gambling

parlour.  When he finally killed himself, I actually felt relieved because I knew it was the end of the suffering he'd put us through, even though he was likely headed to damnation.  Upon dissection of the corpse, they found that he had a developmental defect in his brain that caused him to be missing a large portion of his forebrain, and I can only imagine that it was related to the "area of faith" mentioned in the article.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-04-30 07:57:47 PM
Mother of god, that's retarded.
 
2013-04-30 08:22:14 PM

alizeran: tetsoushima: [www.epicgifs.net image 720x480]
Achievement Unlocked.

[img198.imageshack.us image 600x419]


Ugh, those shoes are facing the opposite direction of the animals.
 
2013-04-30 09:57:26 PM

traylor: alizeran: tetsoushima: [www.epicgifs.net image 720x480]
Achievement Unlocked.

[img198.imageshack.us image 600x419]

If I had some PS skills I would shop toy figures of gods from different religions in place of the toys.


Just label them all "Mohammed".
 
2013-04-30 10:40:58 PM

Ghastly: ciberido: van1ty: Technically if you haven't considered the question of God then you are by definition an atheist....

[lh5.googleusercontent.com image 250x250]
I wonder if it's possible to be an agnostic and an atheist at the same time?

Oh don't YOU start.


Too late.  Ha ha!
 
2013-04-30 10:42:56 PM

Mambo Bananapatch: traylor: alizeran: tetsoushima: [www.epicgifs.net image 720x480]
Achievement Unlocked.

[img198.imageshack.us image 600x419]

If I had some PS skills I would shop toy figures of gods from different religions in place of the toys.

Just label them all "Mohammed".


Then move to Sudan.
 
2013-05-01 01:34:37 AM

duffblue: Atheism is a logical fallacy.


You don't know what three of five of those words means do you?
 
2013-05-01 08:33:52 AM
From The Who's "Tommy:"  (Remember Deaf, Dumb and Blind Boy?)
"And Tommy doesn't know what day it is
He doesn't know who Jesus was
Or what praying is...
HOW CAN HE BE SAVED?
FROM THE ETERNAL GRAVE...?"


Well at least he can sure play a mean pinball

/Listen to it, learn it, know it, Youngsters
 
2013-05-01 10:15:09 AM
Why would God care if someone believed whether he existed or not
 
2013-05-01 06:19:40 PM

AgentBang: Temple Grandin, a well known and renowned person with autism would like a word...

From her book "Thinking in Pictures"

I develop my views from the existing pool of knowledge and I will adapt my views when I learn more. The only permanent view that I have is that there is a God. My views are based on the basic fundamental laws of nature and physics that I am now aware of. As man learns more about his environment I will change my theory to accommodate the new knowledge. Religion should be dynamic and always advancing, not in a state of stagnation.


I may not agree with her on that particular matter but I am in awe of her life, accomplishments and energy.

She's a force of nature.
 
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