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(Philly Burbs)   Battleship New Jersey asks governor Chris Christie to please return its silverware   (phillyburbs.com) divider line 37
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2013-04-30 08:45:54 AM
I can't be the only one who initially thought 'Battleship New Jersey' was a reference to Gov. Christie himself, right?
 
2013-04-30 09:27:58 AM
Christie, you left so early, surely something slipped your mind. You forgot the candlesticks also. Would you leave the best behind?
 
2013-04-30 09:28:09 AM
He is so weird!

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2013-04-30 09:28:29 AM
Headline makes it seem like he went to dinner there one night and took silverware in his purse.

/first date
//don't forget the dinner rolls
 
2013-04-30 09:28:58 AM
I have to say, anyone in the area, the tours of that thing are friggin awesome.
 
2013-04-30 09:31:22 AM
Bring the Guvna his silverware and a bucket.
 
2013-04-30 09:37:50 AM

MadMonk: Bring the Guvna his silverware and a bucket.

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2013-04-30 09:40:39 AM
That ship is hemorrhaging  cash sitting in Camden. They need to move it to Liberty State Park where it can actually turn a profit. It's a shame.. It's a beautiful ship but it's stashed behind a concert complex that sits next to a industrial yard.. When you visit it you need to park in a parking garage some 1/3rd of a mile away and take a shuttle service to the actual ship.. Or take a 15 minute walk.. Your choice.
 
2013-04-30 10:12:41 AM
I cant see why you think this is strange, Subby.
 
2013-04-30 10:14:55 AM

LineNoise: I have to say, anyone in the area, the tours of that thing are friggin awesome.


FTA: The battleship recently opened a turret tour of its big 16-inch guns, which were used to fire ammunition as far as 23 miles, using 660 pounds of gunpowder for each shot.

That sounds awesome. I never knew so much powder was needed for a single shot.

styckx: Or take a 15 minute walk.


Oh, the horror. (Maybe it is a horror; I haven't heard too many good things about Jersey. I'm not sure how Camden is.)
 
2013-04-30 10:20:17 AM

Nickster79: I can't be the only one who initially thought 'Battleship New Jersey' was a reference to Gov. Christie himself, right?


If it's not already, it should be.

Although Christie having a 16-inch gun is fairly nauseating.
 
2013-04-30 10:22:30 AM
It's probably pretty worn. They're better off just replacing it.
 
2013-04-30 10:23:58 AM

skrame: LineNoise: I have to say, anyone in the area, the tours of that thing are friggin awesome.

FTA: The battleship recently opened a turret tour of its big 16-inch guns, which were used to fire ammunition as far as 23 miles, using 660 pounds of gunpowder for each shot.

That sounds awesome. I never knew so much powder was needed for a single shot.

styckx: Or take a 15 minute walk.

Oh, the horror. (Maybe it is a horror; I haven't heard too many good things about Jersey. I'm not sure how Camden is.)


It is like Detroit, except worse. Detroit is number 6 on the "most dangerous city index" while Camden is number 2

Linky
 
2013-04-30 10:26:37 AM
Too late, he probably ate it.
 
2013-04-30 10:32:24 AM

skrame: LineNoise: I have to say, anyone in the area, the tours of that thing are friggin awesome.

FTA: The battleship recently opened a turret tour of its big 16-inch guns, which were used to fire ammunition as far as 23 miles, using 660 pounds of gunpowder for each shot.

That sounds awesome. I never knew so much powder was needed for a single shot.

styckx: Or take a 15 minute walk.

Oh, the horror. (Maybe it is a horror; I haven't heard too many good things about Jersey. I'm not sure how Camden is.)


Camden is the garden spot of the Garden State.
 
2013-04-30 10:38:50 AM

dantheman195: skrame: LineNoise: I have to say, anyone in the area, the tours of that thing are friggin awesome.

FTA: The battleship recently opened a turret tour of its big 16-inch guns, which were used to fire ammunition as far as 23 miles, using 660 pounds of gunpowder for each shot.

That sounds awesome. I never knew so much powder was needed for a single shot.

styckx: Or take a 15 minute walk.

Oh, the horror. (Maybe it is a horror; I haven't heard too many good things about Jersey. I'm not sure how Camden is.)

It is like Detroit, except worse. Detroit is number 6 on the "most dangerous city index" while Camden is number 2

Linky


Wow. Rocky Mount North Carolina is in the top 100? Meth is a hell of a drug.
 
2013-04-30 10:41:45 AM

hiker9999: skrame: LineNoise: I have to say, anyone in the area, the tours of that thing are friggin awesome.

FTA: The battleship recently opened a turret tour of its big 16-inch guns, which were used to fire ammunition as far as 23 miles, using 660 pounds of gunpowder for each shot.

That sounds awesome. I never knew so much powder was needed for a single shot.

styckx: Or take a 15 minute walk.

Oh, the horror. (Maybe it is a horror; I haven't heard too many good things about Jersey. I'm not sure how Camden is.)

Camden is the garden spot of the Garden State.


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What a garden spot in the Garden State might look like.
 
2013-04-30 10:49:45 AM

styckx: That ship is hemorrhaging  cash sitting in Camden. They need to move it to Liberty State Park where it can actually turn a profit. It's a shame.. It's a beautiful ship but it's stashed behind a concert complex that sits next to a industrial yard.. When you visit it you need to park in a parking garage some 1/3rd of a mile away and take a shuttle service to the actual ship.. Or take a 15 minute walk.. Your choice.


They started out with a nice hefty subsidy from the state. Then when the economy went south, they had to make major cutbacks in staff.

Museums like Battleship North Carolina and Patriots Point were organized as state enterprise agencies from the outset, meaning they have to raise all their revenue themselves (they get the benefits of being state employees, the infrastructure of the state's historic commision or historic site management division, and the state's insurance policy).

It just goes to show, warship museums are about the most expensive type of museum to maintain - where else is your building also one of your artifacts, and one you have to make sure doesn't sink into water or mud? (And I think the smartest museums are the ones that have moved their ships onto dry land or converted the ship's berth into a dry environment; people complain about a ship not being in the water, but it saves so much time and money.)
 
2013-04-30 10:53:25 AM

xxmedium: dantheman195: skrame: LineNoise: I have to say, anyone in the area, the tours of that thing are friggin awesome.

FTA: The battleship recently opened a turret tour of its big 16-inch guns, which were used to fire ammunition as far as 23 miles, using 660 pounds of gunpowder for each shot.

That sounds awesome. I never knew so much powder was needed for a single shot.

styckx: Or take a 15 minute walk.

Oh, the horror. (Maybe it is a horror; I haven't heard too many good things about Jersey. I'm not sure how Camden is.)

It is like Detroit, except worse. Detroit is number 6 on the "most dangerous city index" while Camden is number 2

Linky

Wow. Rocky Mount North Carolina is in the top 100? Meth is a hell of a drug.


Rocky Mount is a festering shiathole of a city with almost no redeeming qualities. It's nicest restaurant is a chain Mexican place in an old power plant that looks over a dirty river and overpass. The town is nothing but poverty and discarded suburban sprawl, and I feel sorry for the people that have to grow up there. The place makes Kinston look sophisticated and modern.

/and I'm saying this as someone who lives in Wilson
 
2013-04-30 10:54:06 AM
I wish we could get the Wisconsin for display somewhere on Lake Michigan.
 
2013-04-30 10:55:47 AM
"I ATE THE SILVERWARE!"
 
2013-04-30 10:56:10 AM

UNC_Samurai:  (And I think the smartest museums are the ones that have moved their ships onto dry land or converted the ship's berth into a dry environment; people complain about a ship not being in the water, but it saves so much time and money.)


They've been trying to put the Battleship Texas in a dry berth. They have the plans, but when money got tight, they put it on hold.
I think it would look pretty damn cool.Besides, all the toxins in the Houston Ship Channel will dissolve her hull eventually.

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2013-04-30 11:41:49 AM

UNC_Samurai: styckx: That ship is hemorrhaging  cash sitting in Camden. They need to move it to Liberty State Park where it can actually turn a profit. It's a shame.. It's a beautiful ship but it's stashed behind a concert complex that sits next to a industrial yard.. When you visit it you need to park in a parking garage some 1/3rd of a mile away and take a shuttle service to the actual ship.. Or take a 15 minute walk.. Your choice.

They started out with a nice hefty subsidy from the state. Then when the economy went south, they had to make major cutbacks in staff.

Museums like Battleship North Carolina and Patriots Point were organized as state enterprise agencies from the outset, meaning they have to raise all their revenue themselves (they get the benefits of being state employees, the infrastructure of the state's historic commision or historic site management division, and the state's insurance policy).

It just goes to show, warship museums are about the most expensive type of museum to maintain - where else is your building also one of your artifacts, and one you have to make sure doesn't sink into water or mud? (And I think the smartest museums are the ones that have moved their ships onto dry land or converted the ship's berth into a dry environment; people complain about a ship not being in the water, but it saves so much time and money.)


And, in a way, it emphasizes the size of these ships. I visited a "small boy" (a destroyer) on keel blocks in Baton Rouge.  WWII desptroyers were ~300 feet long, and 1800-2600 tons. A WWII battleship was ~600 feet, and  weighed close to 45,000 tons. (service load)
 
2013-04-30 11:48:56 AM

UNC_Samurai: It just goes to show, warship museums are about the most expensive type of museum to maintain - where else is your building also one of your artifacts, and one you have to make sure doesn't sink into water or mud?


www.photopumpkin.com
 
2013-04-30 11:49:02 AM

Maud Dib: UNC_Samurai:  (And I think the smartest museums are the ones that have moved their ships onto dry land or converted the ship's berth into a dry environment; people complain about a ship not being in the water, but it saves so much time and money.)

They've been trying to put the Battleship Texas in a dry berth. They have the plans, but when money got tight, they put it on hold.
I think it would look pretty damn cool.Besides, all the toxins in the Houston Ship Channel will dissolve her hull eventually.

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One of their staff is a regular Farker; I've talked with him about it before.  They're in about the worst shape of any vessel out there right now with the possible exception of Olympia.  Independence Seaport is desperately trying to get out from under the Span-Am-era cruiser, but if they cut it loose it's almost guaranteed the Navy will dispose of it.  The question now becomes, is it worth $54 million in repairs?  Considering there's only two ships from that era left (Olympia and Mikasa), I'd tend to say yes.

On the flip side, Patriots Point is considering returning Clamagore to the Navy.  Their ledger is full with maintaining Yorktown, and they're tethered to a very long-term repayment schedule for state loans for Laffey's emergency repairs.  Considering the specific ship history of Laffey, I'd say it was worth it.  A Balao-class sub (of which there are seven others in museums) that never saw wartime action, and whose biggest historical draw is the GUPPY program?  If it means sacrificing a sub to keep the carrier and destroyer up and running, I'd be willing to lose the Clamagore.
 
2013-04-30 11:59:03 AM
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Turn those toward the governors house and ask again.
 
2013-04-30 12:08:55 PM

Maud Dib: UNC_Samurai:  (And I think the smartest museums are the ones that have moved their ships onto dry land or converted the ship's berth into a dry environment; people complain about a ship not being in the water, but it saves so much time and money.)

They've been trying to put the Battleship Texas in a dry berth. They have the plans, but when money got tight, they put it on hold.
I think it would look pretty damn cool.Besides, all the toxins in the Houston Ship Channel will dissolve her hull eventually.

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I've spent a lot of time aboard the Texas and she's in terrible shape. They need to get her out of the water and fixed up. It's sad really.
 
2013-04-30 12:39:09 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: Christie, you left so early, surely something slipped your mind. You forgot the candlesticks also. Would you leave the best behind?


+17 internets for you, good sir.
Master of the house, indeed.
 
2013-04-30 12:50:17 PM
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The view from my old condo in Philly. The Delaware was actually getting a layer of ice that night.
 
2013-04-30 12:55:06 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: UNC_Samurai: It just goes to show, warship museums are about the most expensive type of museum to maintain - where else is your building also one of your artifacts, and one you have to make sure doesn't sink into water or mud?

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You are partially correct.  The tower is certainly on "shaky ground", but most warship museums do what Pisa does not - use their artifact to house museum offices, and consequently install updated HVAC, plumbing, and electrical infrastructure.  (Yorktown runs power through one of its generators to provide electricity to the engine room area - it gives the added bonus of authentic sound to the visitor's experience.)
 
2013-04-30 01:11:43 PM

ahchoo: Too late, he probably ate it.


Along with the inflatable life raft.
 
2013-04-30 02:42:30 PM
I see that we're off on a tangent here (an interesting tangent at that) but nobody seems to have noticed that the silverware isn't theirs. It belonged to the original battleship of the same name, decommissioned over 20 years before this one was built.
 
2013-04-30 03:24:49 PM
Look, when it comes to stealing silverware, we've all ben there, but butler for all concerned if he returns it.
 
2013-04-30 03:51:23 PM
Nota Bene the complete lack of any refernece as to HOW the silverware got to the gub-genor's office.

So they've known of this 70th anniversary for 70 years, let's be kind and limit to the last 10.  They just the other day got arround to inviting the gub-genor?
 
2013-04-30 04:35:02 PM

styckx: That ship is hemorrhaging  cash sitting in Camden. They need to move it to Liberty State Park where it can actually turn a profit. It's a shame.. It's a beautiful ship but it's stashed behind a concert complex that sits next to a industrial yard.. When you visit it you need to park in a parking garage some 1/3rd of a mile away and take a shuttle service to the actual ship.. Or take a 15 minute walk.. Your choice.


+1

I'd be there next week if it was moored at Liberty State Park. Unfortunately Camden is a total butthole and driving through there is undesirable, much less leaving my car there unattended.
 
2013-04-30 11:58:13 PM

styckx: That ship is hemorrhaging  cash sitting in Camden. They need to move it to Liberty State Park where it can actually turn a profit. It's a shame.. It's a beautiful ship but it's stashed behind a concert complex that sits next to a industrial yard.. When you visit it you need to park in a parking garage some 1/3rd of a mile away and take a shuttle service to the actual ship.. Or take a 15 minute walk.. Your choice.


A 15 minute walk in Camden? No thanks. I'll slit my own throat!
 
2013-05-01 03:10:47 PM

TopoGigo: I see that we're off on a tangent here (an interesting tangent at that) but nobody seems to have noticed that the silverware isn't theirs. It belonged to the original battleship of the same name, decommissioned over 20 years before this one was built.


It's common naval practice to transfer the silverware to the next vessel of that name. I saw the silverware from the Battleship Georgia on board the nuclear submarine of the same name.
 
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