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2013-04-30 12:08:26 AM  
Good. Looks like Kevin Johnson's career is just starting.
 
2013-04-30 12:13:08 AM  
Unanimously, too. Hm. I find that a little strange & have to wonder why?
 
2013-04-30 12:18:08 AM  
Maybe it's the pneumonia making me extra-slow, but I don't understand the headline.  Translation, please?
 
2013-04-30 12:36:24 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Maybe it's the pneumonia making me extra-slow, but I don't understand the headline.  Translation, please?


Helps if you say that last sentence out loud.
 
2013-04-30 12:48:29 AM  

Di Atribe: Benevolent Misanthrope: Maybe it's the pneumonia making me extra-slow, but I don't understand the headline.  Translation, please?

Helps if you say that last sentence out loud.


Tried that.  "Something no one will see... attle?"

Unless it's supposed to be "see at all," which makes no sense because a) that's not how you pronounce "Seattle" and b) because the Kings weren't set to change heir name to Sonics anyway.

Maybe I'll just go drink some codeine cough syrup instead.
 
2013-04-30 07:01:32 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Di Atribe: Benevolent Misanthrope: Maybe it's the pneumonia making me extra-slow, but I don't understand the headline.  Translation, please?

Helps if you say that last sentence out loud.

Tried that.  "Something no one will see... attle?"

Unless it's supposed to be "see at all," which makes no sense because a) that's not how you pronounce "Seattle" and b) because the Kings weren't set to change heir name to Sonics anyway.

Maybe I'll just go drink some codeine cough syrup instead.


It's not one of the better fark headline puns.
 
2013-04-30 07:16:11 AM  
Just give them the goddamn Bobcats already, and make two groups of people's lives better.
 
2013-04-30 07:34:32 AM  
How about a multi-city trade?

Seattle will receive the Portland Trailblazers, renamed to the Sonics.
Portland will receive the Rams from St. Louis in compensation.
St. Louis will receive the NFL Cardinals from Arizona, to bookend with their MLB Cardinals.
Arizona gets to remain our inbred, redneck, racist haven in the Southwest.

If Arizona doesn't care for the arrangement, we can trade them to Mexico for a couple of chalupas.
 
2013-04-30 07:46:34 AM  

MmmmBacon: How about a multi-city trade?

Seattle will receive the Portland Trailblazers, renamed to the Sonics.
Portland will receive the Rams from St. Louis in compensation.
St. Louis will receive the NFL Cardinals from Arizona, to bookend with their MLB Cardinals.
Arizona gets to remain our inbred, redneck, racist haven in the Southwest.

If Arizona doesn't care for the arrangement, we can trade them to Mexico for a couple of chalupas.


Boy, you are giving the Mexicans the short end of the stick.
 
2013-04-30 07:47:18 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Di Atribe: Benevolent Misanthrope: Maybe it's the pneumonia making me extra-slow, but I don't understand the headline.  Translation, please?

Helps if you say that last sentence out loud.

Tried that.  "Something no one will see... attle?"

Unless it's supposed to be "see at all," which makes no sense because a) that's not how you pronounce "Seattle" and b) because the Kings weren't set to change heir name to Sonics anyway.

Maybe I'll just go drink some codeine cough syrup instead.


purple drank makes everything clearer
 
2013-04-30 07:56:59 AM  
iRelocate.

McBouncey-Bounce

Tossed airballs and scrambled full court press.
 
2013-04-30 08:00:46 AM  
Took a couple.of readings but I got it. I blame the early morning.
 
2013-04-30 08:02:32 AM  
This is the most asinine decision they could have made. Another franchise will continue to bleed money and they can't find potential owners who want to keep them in Sacramento.

What will the league do when the current owners can't afford to pay the players or the rent on the lease? Take them over like the NHL did for the Coyotes? Because that ended so well.
 
2013-04-30 08:30:45 AM  

Di Atribe: Unanimously, too. Hm. I find that a little strange & have to wonder why?


I don't. Seattle dared stand up to the NBA and the carpetbaggers that bought the Sonics, and declared that they weren't going to build a brand new gold-encrusted arena for the team. Stern has probably determined that he's not going to let them have any team - old or new - while he's still in charge. And we all know that Stern is more of a mob boss than anything else - whatever he wants, he gets.
 
2013-04-30 08:35:58 AM  

Dougie AXP: This is the most asinine decision they could have made. Another franchise will continue to bleed money and they can't find potential owners who want to keep them in Sacramento.

What will the league do when the current owners can't afford to pay the players or the rent on the lease? Take them over like the NHL did for the Coyotes? Because that ended so well.


Yeah, Sacramento is going to end up dumping a ton of money into that arena, just to find themselves in this position again within 10 years. There's basically a waiting list of people who want to buy NBA franchises, and whatever local group they manage to cobble together to buy the franchise from the Maloof's, they're not going to willingly take it in the shorts forever just because Kevin Johnson has some great stories about Barkley.
 
2013-04-30 08:39:28 AM  
Expansion here we come!
 
2013-04-30 08:39:40 AM  

Joe_diGriz: Di Atribe: Unanimously, too. Hm. I find that a little strange & have to wonder why?

I don't. Seattle dared stand up to the NBA and the carpetbaggers that bought the Sonics, and declared that they weren't going to build a brand new gold-encrusted arena for the team. Stern has probably determined that he's not going to let them have any team - old or new - while he's still in charge. And we all know that Stern is more of a mob boss than anything else - whatever he wants, he gets.


BS. This Kings to Seattle deal was all but done until Sacramento decided they were going to do anything and everything to keep the team. Stern would love to get Seattle a team back before he retires, he just can't take the Kings if Sacramento is putting up a fight, lest he be seen as a greedy uncaring monster again.
 
2013-04-30 08:47:02 AM  

jayhawk88: Joe_diGriz: Di Atribe: Unanimously, too. Hm. I find that a little strange & have to wonder why?

I don't. Seattle dared stand up to the NBA and the carpetbaggers that bought the Sonics, and declared that they weren't going to build a brand new gold-encrusted arena for the team. Stern has probably determined that he's not going to let them have any team - old or new - while he's still in charge. And we all know that Stern is more of a mob boss than anything else - whatever he wants, he gets.

BS. This Kings to Seattle deal was all but done until Sacramento decided they were going to do anything and everything to keep the team. Stern would love to get Seattle a team back before he retires, he just can't take the Kings if Sacramento is putting up a fight, lest he be seen as a greedy uncaring monster again.


Oh Bullshiat. farking Stern hates farking Seattle. He makes that clear constantly. He doesn't want another game ever played in Key Arena, even if a new stadium is in the works. fark Stern, fark Howard Shulz and his shiatty coffee company, fark Clay Bennett, fark OKC and most especially fark the NBA. Bunch of highly paid overactive pituitary glands is all they farking are. fark them.
 
2013-04-30 08:58:24 AM  

Dougie AXP: This is the most asinine decision they could have made. Another franchise will continue to bleed money and they can't find potential owners who want to keep them in Sacramento. What will the league do when the current owners can't afford to pay the players or the rent on the lease?


This isn't about profits; it's about power.  Most sports team owners are narcissistic douchebags and a good number of them are full-blown crazy to boot.

The endgame here is probably to force Sacramento taxpayers to build a new arena for the owner and lease it for an absurdly low rate, simply because that's what they always try to do.  It's how the Sonics got sent to Oklahoma in the first place.  It's not the best way to make money, but it's certainly one of the most evil; instead of charging willing customers, they use the government to take money from people who aren't even basketball fans (usually business travelers, in fact, as the most common form of fleecing is hotel & rental car taxes).  See, making sports fans happy is for chumps, because that costs money n' stuff but also because sports fans are mean-spirited idiots.  But when you can force people to spend their money for your benefit. . . that gives crazy rich guy a stiffy.

The weird part is why it was unanimous.  Whether they're assholes or crazies, not all of them would have reasons for opposing the move.  What would Charlotte care?  What, did someone stick a poison pill into the deal, or does James Dolan have pictures of Michael Jordan trying to dance with Michael Jackson?  (oh wait. . .)

The best reason I can think of is that it's punishment to Seattle for having the audacity to say "fark you" the first time around while being openly dicked with.  This sort of empowering reason by the unwashed masses (local government in this case) is just the sort of thing that pisses off rich douchebags, so they were going to twist whatever arms they had to to make sure Seattle learns its lesson.  The only owner who might think differently is Paul Allen; he already owns the Portland Trailblazers but he actually voted against moving the Sonics to Oklahoma.
 
2013-04-30 09:13:14 AM  
I see no problem with Clay Bennett being in charge of the relocation committee.

/I assume he wants to be murdered by a Sonics fan with nothing to lose
 
2013-04-30 09:30:11 AM  
I do feel sad for Seattle, but this wasn't the way to get the Sonics back. Hansen reacting like the Duke brothers after the exchange had closed makes me feel even more like the NBA may have made the smarter decision here.
 
2013-04-30 09:32:11 AM  

my lip balm addiction: Oh Bullshiat. farking Stern hates farking Seattle. He makes that clear constantly. He doesn't want another game ever played in Key Arena, even if a new stadium is in the works. fark Stern, fark Howard Shulz and his shiatty coffee company, fark Clay Bennett, fark OKC and most especially fark the NBA. Bunch of highly paid overactive pituitary glands is all they farking are. fark them.


I knew before I clicked on your profile that you were going to be from Seattle, heh heh
 
2013-04-30 09:35:27 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Maybe it's the pneumonia making me extra-slow, but I don't understand the headline.  Translation, please?


Think Gene Masseth. Then try it again.
 
2013-04-30 09:40:25 AM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: I do feel sad for Seattle, but this wasn't the way to get the Sonics back.


Getting an unpopular franchise (have been in the bottom 4 of the league in attendance every year since '06-'07) that has already relocated three times and hasn't even been in Sacramento for my entire lifetime? That WASN'T a prime candidate for relocation?
 
2013-04-30 09:52:41 AM  

UNC_Samurai: Just give them the goddamn Bobcats already, and make two groups of people's lives better.


I think that ship may have now sailed.  There were a number of Seattle sports fans (myself included) who had completely sworn off the NBA.  As a group, we were curious about the prospect of getting a team back, dipping our toes in the water but still generally suspicious of the NBA.  Personally, I was finding it hard to regain my enthusiasm for a league that I haven't been following for five years and now looked alien to me, but I was trying, thinking it could come rushing back once the team became real.  I, and probably a lot of people, don't plan on trying so hard next time.
 
2013-04-30 09:55:22 AM  
If they can figure out how to tax meth they've got this paid for easily.
 
2013-04-30 09:55:34 AM  
There's already an ownership group willing to buy the team and keep them in Sacramento along with building a new arena. The Kings woes have nothing to do with the market and everything to do with the worst owners in pro sports. Until the team sells most of you reading this post have a higher net worth than the Maloofs. The Kings attendance was great until the owners tried moving the team a few years ago. Part of the sales pitch the city of Sacramento made to the NBA was that the Kings have consistently had higher attendance than the Sonics did when they were in Seattle. It would be great for Seattle to get an expansion team, but it doesn't make sense to pull a franchise that is the only team in the 20th biggest media market to make it the 3rd team in the 12th biggest media market, especially when there is $250 million in public subsidies in Sacramento to build a new arena. I don't blame Seattle for trying to get the Kings, but if a team is going to move from an existing market it should be from a bad market, not just a market where the team has bad owners.
 
2013-04-30 09:56:42 AM  

Super Chronic: UNC_Samurai: Just give them the goddamn Bobcats already, and make two groups of people's lives better.

I think that ship may have now sailed.  There were a number of Seattle sports fans (myself included) who had completely sworn off the NBA.  As a group, we were curious about the prospect of getting a team back, dipping our toes in the water but still generally suspicious of the NBA.  Personally, I was finding it hard to regain my enthusiasm for a league that I haven't been following for five years and now looked alien to me, but I was trying, thinking it could come rushing back once the team became real.  I, and probably a lot of people, don't plan on trying so hard next time.


Yeah, you guys have the Sounders, right? Who needs basketball?
 
2013-04-30 09:58:58 AM  

Di Atribe: Unanimously, too. Hm. I find that a little strange & have to wonder why?


it's not surprising.  seattle refused to pay the ransom with the sonics.  this time they only agreed because the potential owner proposing a deal that include the team paying for most of the arena construction.  that conflicts with the nba's business model to extort taxpayers.  when the mob says pay or else and you refuse, they have to make an example of you.  also, there's the fact that stern is a farking asshole or that clay bennett heads the relocation committee.

/hell, did you see how greedy the owners were in the last labor negotiations?  they want ALL the money.
//also fark schultz
 
2013-04-30 10:00:50 AM  
www.therusticrabbit.co.uk
 
2013-04-30 10:03:25 AM  

AtticusFinchEsq: Super Chronic: UNC_Samurai: Just give them the goddamn Bobcats already, and make two groups of people's lives better.

I think that ship may have now sailed.  There were a number of Seattle sports fans (myself included) who had completely sworn off the NBA.  As a group, we were curious about the prospect of getting a team back, dipping our toes in the water but still generally suspicious of the NBA.  Personally, I was finding it hard to regain my enthusiasm for a league that I haven't been following for five years and now looked alien to me, but I was trying, thinking it could come rushing back once the team became real.  I, and probably a lot of people, don't plan on trying so hard next time.

Yeah, you guys have the Sounders, right? Who needs basketball?


They outsell the Mariners by a large margin. I hate soccer, myself, but good for them. To each their own and all.

NFL is the only league that matters, anyway.
 
2013-04-30 10:13:08 AM  

Di Atribe: Unanimously, too. Hm. I find that a little strange & have to wonder why?


Mark Cuban hates Seattle too
 
2013-04-30 10:14:24 AM  
Even the owner of the Kings voted against it
 
2013-04-30 10:14:44 AM  

A Fark Handle: Di Atribe: Unanimously, too. Hm. I find that a little strange & have to wonder why?

it's not surprising.  seattle refused to pay the ransom with the sonics.  this time they only agreed because the potential owner proposing a deal that include the team paying for most of the arena construction.  that conflicts with the nba's business model to extort taxpayers.  when the mob says pay or else and you refuse, they have to make an example of you.  also, there's the fact that stern is a farking asshole or that clay bennett heads the relocation committee.

/hell, did you see how greedy the owners were in the last labor negotiations?  they want ALL the money.
//also fark schultz


I think this nails it.  It doesn't matter that Hansen & team had come up with a viable arena plan.  The last thing Stern and the owners want is to have a shining example that taxpayers needn't be shaken down to make a team successful.  Yes, there are a couple of privately financed arenas out there like the Anschutz properties, but not in cities where the league had laid down an ultimatum saying tax dollars were the only way it could work.  Bennett and Stern had insisted that Seattle could not possibly support a team without a taxpayer-financed arena, and they don't want to be exposed as liars (any more than they already have been).
 
2013-04-30 10:22:05 AM  
Can anyone explain how the guy who is a majority owner of the Golden State Warriors can be part of the group that is buying the Sacramento Kings?  I thought there were laws against that...
 
2013-04-30 10:22:18 AM  

mikaloyd: Di Atribe: Unanimously, too. Hm. I find that a little strange & have to wonder why?

Mark Cuban hates Seattle too


mikaloyd: Even the owner of the Kings voted against it


False. Those people are not part of the relocation committee. Which is, of course, headed by Clay Bennett.

The NBA's relocation committee is headed by Thunder owner Clay Bennett, already a reviled figure in Seattle. The other owners on the committee are Miami's Micky Arison, Washington's Ted Leonsis, Utah's Greg Miller, Indiana's Herbert Simon, Minnesota's Glen Taylor and San Antonio's Peter Holt -- who's also the chairman of the league's Board of Governors.

So mostly a group of small-market teams who would like to extort their fanbases in the future. And the guy who owns the Wizards.
 
2013-04-30 10:29:58 AM  
Its is raining sour grapes today. Must be a global warming thing
 
2013-04-30 10:31:16 AM  

IAmRight: So mostly a group of small-market teams who would like to extort their fanbases in the future. And the guy who owns the Wizards.


look at it this way seattle, you've become the nba's los angeles.  a large attractive media market good for shaking down local/state government for a better arena deal.  of course unlike los angeles and football, seattle actually cares about basketball.
 
2013-04-30 10:32:44 AM  
Well, go Thunderbirds, because this means no NHL either.
 
2013-04-30 10:41:21 AM  

jayhawk88: Dougie AXP: This is the most asinine decision they could have made. Another franchise will continue to bleed money and they can't find potential owners who want to keep them in Sacramento.

What will the league do when the current owners can't afford to pay the players or the rent on the lease? Take them over like the NHL did for the Coyotes? Because that ended so well.

Yeah, Sacramento is going to end up dumping a ton of money into that arena, just to find themselves in this position again within 10 years. There's basically a waiting list of people who want to buy NBA franchises, and whatever local group they manage to cobble together to buy the franchise from the Maloof's, they're not going to willingly take it in the shorts forever just because Kevin Johnson has some great stories about Barkley.


Good point.  Seattle spent a ton on remodeling Key Arena and 10 years later it wasn't good enough.
 
2013-04-30 10:49:58 AM  
How about we trade Mike McGinn and the Seattle City Council for Kevin Johnson?

I don't give a shiat about the NBA, but this pretty much torpedoed any chance at Seattle getting an NHL franchise, and that sucks.    The Mariners are going to suck for a long time and the Seahawks don't start until fall.  This city needs another exciting sport to watch.
 
2013-04-30 10:50:07 AM  
Maybe OK City or Sacramento will get the next hockey team too
 
2013-04-30 10:53:51 AM  

mikaloyd: Its is raining sour grapes today. Must be a global warming thing


well what did you expect; all five lifelong kings' fans to share how happy they are to not pack up their lives and move for a 3rd time in 40 years in order to follow their beloved kings/royals to the next city?
 
2013-04-30 10:54:06 AM  
I will laugh when the sac town group backs out and/or sac town doesn't approve an arena.

It's not like they put any money down yet.
 
2013-04-30 11:01:52 AM  

stappawho: Good point. Seattle spent a ton on remodeling Key Arena and 10 years later it wasn't good enough.


I believe he called it a model for the league. But you aren't supposed to bring that up.

I'd love to have the sonics back - I'm also tired of being continually lied to by every group that wants a stadium. My stance, as always, no public money - at all - for private for-profit professional sports. No tax breaks and none of the local bonding capacity should be spent on these things. Subsidizing billionaires is absurd on its face.

But if one of those guys ever steps up to the plate in seattle and pays for the whole thing himself I'll buy season tickets and give them to the boys and girls club up the street.

They extort money from us because we let them. Go look at what paul allen got in assistance for the football stadium. Then look at the massive revenue it generates... for Paul Allen. Then look at the obscenely low price he pays to lease it from the city. But when it's old and he doesn't want it anymore, guess who owns it?

Yes, I know the Hansen deal is 'better than most'. But I think it's a sad commentary on our times that anyone could look at that thing financially from top to bottom and conclude that's 'a good deal' when measured against anything other than other professional sports arena deals.
 
2013-04-30 11:11:14 AM  

El Brujo: AtticusFinchEsq: Super Chronic: UNC_Samurai: Just give them the goddamn Bobcats already, and make two groups of people's lives better.

I think that ship may have now sailed.  There were a number of Seattle sports fans (myself included) who had completely sworn off the NBA.  As a group, we were curious about the prospect of getting a team back, dipping our toes in the water but still generally suspicious of the NBA.  Personally, I was finding it hard to regain my enthusiasm for a league that I haven't been following for five years and now looked alien to me, but I was trying, thinking it could come rushing back once the team became real.  I, and probably a lot of people, don't plan on trying so hard next time.

Yeah, you guys have the Sounders, right? Who needs basketball?

They outsell the Mariners by a large margin. I hate soccer, myself, but good for them. To each their own and all.

NFL is the only league that matters, anyway.


Seconded....I know people have a blast at Sounders games, but soccer is just boring to me.

/Can't wait for the NFL season.
//GO HAWKS!
 
2013-04-30 11:21:28 AM  
I will laugh when the sac town group backs out and/or sac town doesn't approve an arena.1.  Chris Hansen still has an agreement to buy 65-72% of the Kings and will go forward with it.2.  Sacramento will never get its act together for another stadium.3.  Stern and the other owners will extort MORE money from Hansen and Steve Ballmer.4.  Move will be approved about . . . 2016.
 
2013-04-30 11:25:36 AM  

jayhawk88: Joe_diGriz: Di Atribe: Unanimously, too. Hm. I find that a little strange & have to wonder why?

I don't. Seattle dared stand up to the NBA and the carpetbaggers that bought the Sonics, and declared that they weren't going to build a brand new gold-encrusted arena for the team. Stern has probably determined that he's not going to let them have any team - old or new - while he's still in charge. And we all know that Stern is more of a mob boss than anything else - whatever he wants, he gets.

BS. This Kings to Seattle deal was all but done until Sacramento decided they were going to do anything and everything to keep the team. Stern would love to get Seattle a team back before he retires, he just can't take the Kings if Sacramento is putting up a fight, lest he be seen as a greedy uncaring monster again.



Last time I checked Seattle was putting up a fight to not lose the sonics. Seattle was lied to not once but twice by David Stern. Stern also said this relocation would come down to which city has  a better arena deal in place!   Seattle has the better arena deal, better ownership, access to international markets, Seattle was lied to again by David Stern.

Personally, I think Seattle should walk away from the NBA. Why would anyone buy into an oragnization run by liars and people cant hold their word. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
 
2013-04-30 11:26:17 AM  
Next stop: Mexico City!
 
2013-04-30 11:26:49 AM  

The_Sponge: El Brujo: AtticusFinchEsq: Super Chronic: UNC_Samurai: Just give them the goddamn Bobcats already, and make two groups of people's lives better.

I think that ship may have now sailed.  There were a number of Seattle sports fans (myself included) who had completely sworn off the NBA.  As a group, we were curious about the prospect of getting a team back, dipping our toes in the water but still generally suspicious of the NBA.  Personally, I was finding it hard to regain my enthusiasm for a league that I haven't been following for five years and now looked alien to me, but I was trying, thinking it could come rushing back once the team became real.  I, and probably a lot of people, don't plan on trying so hard next time.

Yeah, you guys have the Sounders, right? Who needs basketball?

They outsell the Mariners by a large margin. I hate soccer, myself, but good for them. To each their own and all.

NFL is the only league that matters, anyway.

Seconded....I know people have a blast at Sounders games, but soccer is just boring to me.

/Can't wait for the NFL season.
//GO HAWKS!


That's fair. I go to both and the experiences are very different. For some reason my alcohol consumption is worse at the Sounders game. Might be the roughly set 2 hour timeframe "forcing" me to get my beers in before the 70th minute of the game or whenever it is they make last call.

I loves me my football, but hot damn the games take a long time.
 
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