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(Wikipedia)   Today is the 210th anniversary of one of the earliest examples of wasteful government spending in the United States   (en.wikipedia.org) divider line 68
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2013-04-30 06:42:23 AM  
The day the Jeffersonians began winning the debate...by enacting Hamiltonian policies.

It was the greatest gift a young country could have, until some shiatbirds came up with Manifest Destiny.
 
2013-04-30 07:30:35 AM  
Looking at what Louisiana has become today, maybe it wasn't such a good idea. 20/20 hindsight, and all.
 
2013-04-30 07:36:17 AM  
Is it too late to return Louisiana?
 
2013-04-30 07:37:12 AM  
Nebraska is part of the LA.

It isn't a waste.
 
2013-04-30 07:38:22 AM  
But where else would we put our degenerates?
 
2013-04-30 07:38:27 AM  

Nick Nostril: Is it too late to return Louisiana?


The real question is, is it to late to return the original colonies?
 
2013-04-30 07:38:32 AM  

KingVJ: Nebraska is part of the LA.

It isn't a waste.


Most of Montana was part of the purchase.

That is mind blowing.
 
2013-04-30 07:40:23 AM  
Cheaper than conquest by force.

/No one asked the natives what they thought.
//Mostly because smallpox had wiped out 90% of them.
 
2013-04-30 07:44:07 AM  
Napoleon wanted more, but TJ came in with an all-cash offer and 30 day escrow, which in that economy, was really compelling.

cdn.blogs.sheknows.com
 
2013-04-30 07:45:30 AM  
This was Jefferson's Katrina.
 
2013-04-30 07:48:32 AM  

joninaz: Napoleon wanted more, but TJ came in with an all-cash offer and 30 day escrow, which in that economy, was really compelling.

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Well to be fair, it  was a fixer upper. The yardwork alone took 50 years and they still haven't gotten the plumbing and electrical to pass inspection.
 
2013-04-30 07:48:51 AM  
Basically all of Flyover Country with one transaction.
 
2013-04-30 07:50:44 AM  
FTA: ...$230 million in 2012 dollars, less than 42 cents per acre

As somebody who has wanted to buy a few acres as a getaway and cannot find anything within 3 hours drive that comes in less than $1000 per acre, I am insanely jealous.
 
2013-04-30 07:51:34 AM  
Now flip it to the Chinese at a profit.
 
2013-04-30 07:51:44 AM  

Revek: Nick Nostril: Is it too late to return Louisiana?

The real question is, is it to late to return the original colonies?


2nd this...

/lives in Louisiana
 
2013-04-30 07:52:44 AM  
At least all those empty states don't have just as much representation in the Senate as the heavy populated ones.

That would just be dumb.
 
2013-04-30 07:53:01 AM  

UNC_Samurai: The day the Jeffersonians began winning the debate...by enacting Hamiltonian policies.

It was the greatest gift a young country could have, until some shiatbirds came up with Manifest Destiny.


But Schoolhouse Rock made it sound like a great thing!
 
2013-04-30 07:53:48 AM  

KingVJ: Nebraska is part of the LA.

It isn't a waste.


Those two statements are mutually exclusive.
 
2013-04-30 07:55:37 AM  

Free Radical: UNC_Samurai: The day the Jeffersonians began winning the debate...by enacting Hamiltonian policies.

It was the greatest gift a young country could have, until some shiatbirds came up with Manifest Destiny.

But Schoolhouse Rock made it sound like a great thing!


Yeah, how did nobody EVER write a parody of that called "Living room"?
 
2013-04-30 07:56:47 AM  

OneBrightMonkey: At least all those empty states don't have just as much representation in the Senate as the heavy populated ones.

That would just be dumb.


Welcome to life in a republic.  Feel free to move to Somalia if you dont like it.
 
2013-04-30 07:56:58 AM  

Slives: FTA: ...$230 million in 2012 dollars, less than 42 cents per acre

As somebody who has wanted to buy a few acres as a getaway and cannot find anything within 3 hours drive that comes in less than $1000 per acre, I am insanely jealous.


Dude, you live in Richmond?  Where in Virginia can you find land for even $1000 an acre?  Here in the inner part of NoVa land tends to be close to $2,000,000 per buildable acre.
 
2013-04-30 07:57:23 AM  

GiantRex: Looking at what Louisiana has become today, maybe it wasn't such a good idea. 20/20 hindsight, and all.

Fortunately I am pretty sure the rest of the states make up for it, but I may be wrong.


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2013-04-30 07:57:53 AM  

Slives: FTA: ...$230 million in 2012 dollars, less than 42 cents per acre

As somebody who has wanted to buy a few acres as a getaway and cannot find anything within 3 hours drive that comes in less than $1000 per acre, I am insanely jealous.


I wonder how those two rates compare to the average Colonial salary, and today's average salary...
 
2013-04-30 07:58:34 AM  
What I learned from that article is that Haiti could have become a wealthy and prosperous nation from its very beginning had the United States not intentionally torpedoed their chances by enacting a trade embargo against the new republic.
 
2013-04-30 08:02:55 AM  
Subby:

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2013-04-30 08:04:28 AM  

thaylin: GiantRex: Looking at what Louisiana has become today, maybe it wasn't such a good idea. 20/20 hindsight, and all.

Fortunately I am pretty sure the rest of the states make up for it, but I may be wrong.

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It's sorta like buying a storage unit, and in the front is all the crap they didn't know what to do with so it just got piled up on top of the fully restored vintage Ferrari.
 
2013-04-30 08:09:39 AM  

o5iiawah: OneBrightMonkey: At least all those empty states don't have just as much representation in the Senate as the heavy populated ones.

That would just be dumb.

Welcome to life in a republic.  Feel free to move to Somalia if you dont like it.


James Madison also thought it was stupid and would mean the failure of the Constitution... and he's known as the "father of the Constitution!"
 
2013-04-30 08:09:57 AM  
UNC_Samurai:

It was the greatest gift a young country could have, until some shiatbirds came up with Manifest Destiny.

We as a nation may have done some less than savory things back then to the Native Americans, but you can't deny that it was to the benefit of the US to expand out to the Pacific coast.  Almost every society has some blood on its hands from territorial expansion at some point.  At least we have more to show for it than most.
 
2013-04-30 08:09:58 AM  

murphraven: What I learned from that article is that Haiti could have become a wealthy and prosperous nation from its very beginning had the United States not intentionally torpedoed their chances by enacting a trade embargo against the new republic.




The USA had to destory Haiti. Slavery was to important to the US economy. Just think of horror that the USA would have faced if the slaves revolted.
 
2013-04-30 08:11:48 AM  
If RON PAUL had been around he would have told Jefferson that buying new territory was not in the constitution!
 
2013-04-30 08:12:57 AM  
We didn't learn from this mistake. We then went on to make another dumb purchase of land in 1867.
 
2013-04-30 08:14:55 AM  

eiger: James Madison also thought it was stupid and would mean the failure of the Constitution... and he's known as the "father of the Constitution!"


Irrelevant.

We had sparse and dense states at the time of ratification. We also had heavily populated and lightly populated states.  the idea of establishing a republic is that each state got equal representation in the Senate.  Madison's objection to the purchase is on the Constitutionality of the Federal government expanding and acquiring land.  Nothing to do with the representative makeup of the new states.
 
2013-04-30 08:17:00 AM  
Nice job trollmitter!  Lots of bites on this one.
 
2013-04-30 08:22:21 AM  

Warthog: Slives: FTA: ...$230 million in 2012 dollars, less than 42 cents per acre

As somebody who has wanted to buy a few acres as a getaway and cannot find anything within 3 hours drive that comes in less than $1000 per acre, I am insanely jealous.

Dude, you live in Richmond?  Where in Virginia can you find land for even $1000 an acre?  Here in the inner part of NoVa land tends to be close to $2,000,000 per buildable acre.


Undeveloped unzoned unincorporated land in southern and south western Virginia is dirt cheap, particularly if there's no river or pond, and especially if access to the land is via an easement that runs across an overly aggressive neighbor's property. It's not very useful, it's a very long way from anything and will cost a large fortune to make into a real life Farmville. On top of that you may find a chemical plant or something similarly unpleasant gets built next door.

The only practical use for it is generally growing Pine, which has a 20+ year wait before you can see any return on your investment.
 
2013-04-30 08:23:32 AM  

Warthog: Slives: FTA: ...$230 million in 2012 dollars, less than 42 cents per acre

As somebody who has wanted to buy a few acres as a getaway and cannot find anything within 3 hours drive that comes in less than $1000 per acre, I am insanely jealous.

Dude, you live in Richmond?  Where in Virginia can you find land for even $1000 an acre?  Here in the inner part of NoVa land tends to be close to $2,000,000 per buildable acre.


You have to get over by Roanoke. And much of the land there is hilly enough that it is hard to find a good spot to build. Closer into town here I have seen lots at over $250,000 for even 1/3 an acre.
Personally I was hoping to find something with 25+ acres but I cannot afford to take out another loan to buy it. <sigh>
 
2013-04-30 08:24:25 AM  

o5iiawah: OneBrightMonkey: At least all those empty states don't have just as much representation in the Senate as the heavy populated ones.

That would just be dumb.

Welcome to life in a republic.  Feel free to move to Somalia if you dont like it.


Welcome to life where Senator Max Baucus (D-Montana, population 990K) chairs the Senate Finance committee and is one of about 6 people in the county that has anything to really say about tax laws in a nation of 330,000,000 souls.

Sorry, I don't like that.

I don't like secret holds, where one maniac in the senate can privately stop the entire work of the body from going forward. Or filibuster abuse by Mitch down in good old Kentucky (population 4.3 million).

If serious reforms aren't made to the way the Senate functions at some point, I won't have to move to Somalia. Maybe just Mississippi.
 
2013-04-30 08:27:21 AM  

Target Builder: Warthog: Slives: FTA: ...$230 million in 2012 dollars, less than 42 cents per acre

As somebody who has wanted to buy a few acres as a getaway and cannot find anything within 3 hours drive that comes in less than $1000 per acre, I am insanely jealous.

Dude, you live in Richmond?  Where in Virginia can you find land for even $1000 an acre?  Here in the inner part of NoVa land tends to be close to $2,000,000 per buildable acre.

Undeveloped unzoned unincorporated land in southern and south western Virginia is dirt cheap, particularly if there's no river or pond, and especially if access to the land is via an easement that runs across an overly aggressive neighbor's property. It's not very useful, it's a very long way from anything and will cost a large fortune to make into a real life Farmville. On top of that you may find a chemical plant or something similarly unpleasant gets built next door.

The only practical use for it is generally growing Pine, which has a 20+ year wait before you can see any return on your investment.


And this...
 
2013-04-30 08:31:25 AM  

o5iiawah: eiger: James Madison also thought it was stupid and would mean the failure of the Constitution... and he's known as the "father of the Constitution!"

Irrelevant.

We had sparse and dense states at the time of ratification. We also had heavily populated and lightly populated states.  the idea of establishing a republic is that each state got equal representation in the Senate.  Madison's objection to the purchase is on the Constitutionality of the Federal government expanding and acquiring land.  Nothing to do with the representative makeup of the new states.


You've misunderstood me. Madison thought equal representation in the Senate was stupid. He wanted both houses apportioned by population. He believed the idea that the "states" should have representation in the federal government ruined the whole point of the exercise.

You don't have to agree w/ him. The point is that thinking the senate's setup is stupid is not a particularly absurd (or new) opinion. And it certainly has nothing to do w/ living in "a republic." A republican form of government doesn't require equal representation in one of its legislative chambers.
 
2013-04-30 08:33:24 AM  

UNC_Samurai: Free Radical: UNC_Samurai: The day the Jeffersonians began winning the debate...by enacting Hamiltonian policies.

It was the greatest gift a young country could have, until some shiatbirds came up with Manifest Destiny.

But Schoolhouse Rock made it sound like a great thing!

Yeah, how did nobody EVER write a parody of that called "Living room"?


You know who else wanted to call it Living Room?
 
2013-04-30 08:34:08 AM  
Can we give Texas back to Mexico? Heck; I'll throw in a couple of bucks to sweeten the deal.
 
2013-04-30 08:54:43 AM  

UNC_Samurai: The day the Jeffersonians began winning the debate...by enacting Hamiltonian policies.

It was the greatest gift a young country could have, until some shiatbirds came up with Manifest Destiny.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-30 09:02:59 AM  

PunGent: Slives: FTA: ...$230 million in 2012 dollars, less than 42 cents per acre

As somebody who has wanted to buy a few acres as a getaway and cannot find anything within 3 hours drive that comes in less than $1000 per acre, I am insanely jealous.

I wonder how those two rates compare to the average Colonial salary, and today's average salary...


Colonial salary? You know they didn't have offices and stuff back then, right?
 
2013-04-30 09:12:37 AM  
The government turned around and gave most of it away to farmers and industrialists and got no return at all. Screwed America big time.
 
2013-04-30 09:20:23 AM  
I see it now, acquisition of huge amounts of resource -rich territory is the same as spending trillions on cradle-to-grave entitlements.

Clearly, anyone opposed to boosting socialist spending policies is an enemy of the American Dream.


/disingenuous equivocation is the hallmark of the modern American liberal thinker.
 
2013-04-30 09:22:23 AM  

sephjnr: UNC_Samurai: Free Radical: UNC_Samurai: The day the Jeffersonians began winning the debate...by enacting Hamiltonian policies.

It was the greatest gift a young country could have, until some shiatbirds came up with Manifest Destiny.

But Schoolhouse Rock made it sound like a great thing!

Yeah, how did nobody EVER write a parody of that called "Living room"?

You know who else wanted to call it Living Room?


America didn't take Texas from Mexico, you idiot, they fought for their independence first.

Remember the Alamo?
 
2013-04-30 09:39:39 AM  
Is it too late to return Louisiana?

Aaron Burr will take it, if you'd like.
 
2013-04-30 09:44:56 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: murphraven: What I learned from that article is that Haiti could have become a wealthy and prosperous nation from its very beginning had the United States not intentionally torpedoed their chances by enacting a trade embargo against the new republic.



The USA had to destory Haiti. Slavery was to important to the US economy. Just think of horror that the USA would have faced if the slaves revolted.


I think they are revolting
 
2013-04-30 09:48:33 AM  

elkraf: We didn't learn from this mistake. We then went on to make another dumb purchase of land in 1867.


Just because the inhabitants are dumb doesn't necessarily make the purchase dumb.
 
2013-04-30 09:54:45 AM  

OneBrightMonkey: o5iiawah: OneBrightMonkey: At least all those empty states don't have just as much representation in the Senate as the heavy populated ones.

That would just be dumb.

Welcome to life in a republic.  Feel free to move to Somalia if you dont like it.

Welcome to life where Senator Max Baucus (D-Montana, population 990K) chairs the Senate Finance committee and is one of about 6 people in the county that has anything to really say about tax laws in a nation of 330,000,000 souls.

Sorry, I don't like that.

I don't like secret holds, where one maniac in the senate can privately stop the entire work of the body from going forward. Or filibuster abuse by Mitch down in good old Kentucky (population 4.3 million).

If serious reforms aren't made to the way the Senate functions at some point, I won't have to move to Somalia. Maybe just Mississippi.


Neither of those issues is a result of disproportionate representation in the Senate. Even if CA had 30 Senators and Montana had one, the guy from Montana could still be the chair of any committee.

I agree that the filibuster is bullcrap, and should be outlawed. It still has nothing to do with how many Senators each state gets.

For the record though, I like the current system. It helps prevent the most populous states from walking over the rights of the less populous ones. There is proportional representation in the House, but California and New York should not be able to run roughshod over states like Montana or Delaware.
 
2013-04-30 10:21:14 AM  
Nothing compared to what that stupid Seward guy bought, right?
 
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