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(Reuters)   Congress almost unanimously passes legislation to reverse FAA furloughs. Did they do it: A) Out of concern for airline travelers; B) To usher in a new era of bipartisanship; or C) To avoid travel inconvenience themselves   (reuters.com) divider line 63
    More: Obvious, Federal Aviation Administration, congresses, flight delay, Van Hollen, legislation, National Air Traffic Controllers Association, Airlines for America, March of Dimes  
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2013-04-29 08:25:36 PM  
They care about the problems of richer people. It's not complicated.
 
2013-04-29 08:32:15 PM  
Richer people have their own planes. They, on the other hand, fly commercial.
 
2013-04-29 08:34:41 PM  
"Democratic Representative Chris Van Hollen of Maryland chided fellow lawmakers for frantically pushing the bill through just before the break, making their upcoming travels easier. "They will pat themselves on the back and say job well done," said Van Hollen, who wanted to address more than just FAA furloughs."  -- From the article
 
2013-04-29 08:39:11 PM  

xnecron: Richer people have their own planes. They, on the other hand, fly commercial.


Private planes still need air traffic controllers.
 
2013-04-29 08:42:14 PM  
yeah they did it because it affects them. the rest of us can suck it.
 
2013-04-29 08:45:29 PM  
i.imgur.com
No molestation by security guards if you are rich and fly in a private plane. Limo straight to the airplane.
 
2013-04-29 08:48:24 PM  
How exciting.
 
2013-04-29 08:48:36 PM  
The Bastille is waiting ...
 
2013-04-29 08:49:50 PM  
It's not about themselves, but it's not because of their own travel.  It's the fact that the flight delays are a shining example to a massive number of their constituents about what massive failures they are.  Re-funding things like cancer research doesn't affect enough people to take notice to affect their electability.
 
2013-04-29 08:52:37 PM  
Disgusting move by Congress. Millions of people hurting from the sequester and they're worried about air travelers. Fark them all.
 
2013-04-29 08:56:19 PM  
Sounds like immigration reform/amnesty, not for the American people ..... for the lobbyists
 
2013-04-29 08:59:07 PM  
Their own convenience dovetails nicely with airline profits. Win-win.
 
2013-04-29 09:01:20 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: xnecron: Richer people have their own planes. They, on the other hand, fly commercial.

Private planes still need air traffic controllers.


Not always. I fly into airports without operating control towers all the time.

JungleBoogie: "Democratic Representative Chris Van Hollen of Maryland chided fellow lawmakers for frantically pushing the bill through just before the break, making their upcoming travels easier. "They will pat themselves on the back and say job well done," said Van Hollen, who wanted to address more than just FAA furloughs."  -- From the article


They addressed the controller issue because of the negative press coverage and the impact to them personally. The sickening thing for me is that the private pilots I associate with sometimes are ridiculously uninformed. Too much Fox News and Free Republic.
 
2013-04-29 09:03:18 PM  
What makes this even worse is that they didn't just expand funding so no jobs were furloughed.  They simply demanded the cuts be moved to non-controller jobs.  What other jobs can the FAA cut?  Security, maintenance and safety.  Brilliant move there congress.

This country is broken beyond fixing.
 
2013-04-29 09:05:36 PM  
How bad do the roads have to get before Congress gives a damn? Bridges are already collapsing.
 
2013-04-29 09:05:54 PM  

sheep snorter: [i.imgur.com image 850x565]
No molestation by security guards if you are rich and fly in a private plane. Limo straight to the airplane.


You can even put a red jacket on your Butler to pretend to wand you for weapons of mass destruction.
 
2013-04-29 09:07:19 PM  

AntiNerd: The Bastille is waiting ...


F*ck the Bastille. Get Madame Guillotine.
 
2013-04-29 09:07:21 PM  

xnecron: Not always. I fly into airports without operating control towers all the time.


Maybe for your little two seater, but that's not exactly "private jet" territory.  And just because an airport doesn't have a control tower doesn't mean it doesn't have air traffic controllers at all.
 
2013-04-29 09:08:44 PM  
www.slate.com
 
2013-04-29 09:09:12 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: xnecron: Richer people have their own planes. They, on the other hand, fly commercial.

Private planes still need air traffic controllers.


At least if you wanna land under a Class B umbrella. You could stick to uncontrolled airports and Class E airspace if you wanna fly VFR.
 
2013-04-29 09:11:58 PM  
Or did Obama's plan backfire?
 
2013-04-29 09:15:32 PM  

Ambivalence: xnecron: Not always. I fly into airports without operating control towers all the time.

Maybe for your little two seater, but that's not exactly "private jet" territory.  And just because an airport doesn't have a control tower doesn't mean it doesn't have air traffic controllers at all.


He said "operating" control towers. There are many, many airfields that operate without any type of ATC. They are uncontrolled airfields.
 
2013-04-29 09:27:13 PM  
This whole knee-jerk reaction about the FAA cuts form the sequester reeks of what is exactly wrong with the federal government.  Everyone is all for trimming spending and even welcomed the sequester until their flight got delayed 30 minutes and then: "OMG you can't cut the pieces of the government that affect me.  Cut all that *other* waste out there"  If people are freaking out about the sequester then they're gonna crap their pants about having to actually balance the budget.

And for the record, I fly regularly for work (~40 flights to date this year), and yeah my flight on Friday was delayed because of the sequester (at least the captain blamed it on that).
 
2013-04-29 09:27:33 PM  
Sure, but how many times did they repeal Obamacare in this legislation?
 
2013-04-29 09:29:50 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: xnecron: Richer people have their own planes. They, on the other hand, fly commercial.

Private planes still need air traffic controllers.


And they still get stuck behind the <strike>plebian</strike> commercial airliners on the taxiway.
 
2013-04-29 09:30:25 PM  
yay HTML fail
 
2013-04-29 09:30:42 PM  
Was there anyone out there who doubted this was the reason? The timing alone (right before Congress's vacation break) reeked of it.
 
2013-04-29 09:33:03 PM  

inglixthemad: Shakin_Haitian: xnecron: Richer people have their own planes. They, on the other hand, fly commercial.

Private planes still need air traffic controllers.

Not always. I fly into airports without operating control towers all the time.


Perhaps, but it's likely Congresscritters don't fly VFR, in which case they are dependent on TRACONs and ARTCCs, which means that even in the air they will be affected by delays and stuck in holding patterns if they get stuck on the edge of airspace that is at/over capacity.

Delaying one aircraft in Chicago can easily create a ripple effect and cause delays throughout the national airspace system.
 
2013-04-29 09:34:23 PM  
good
 
2013-04-29 09:44:56 PM  
Fark every single congress member and senate member.
 
2013-04-29 10:01:30 PM  

Hastor: What makes this even worse is that they didn't just expand funding so no jobs were furloughed. They simply demanded the cuts be moved to non-controller jobs. What other jobs can the FAA cut? Security, maintenance and safety. Brilliant move there congress.


This bill is shifting money from other Department of Transportation efforts (notably construction projects) into the FAA. So no, you don't get other FAA jobs cut. You're getting fewer roads, bridges, etc.
 
2013-04-29 10:05:21 PM  

Biological Ali: Sure, but how many times did they repeal Obamacare in this legislation?


At last count? We're up to 40.
 
2013-04-29 10:10:44 PM  

JungleBoogie: Democratic Representative Chris Van Hollen of Maryland


yeah but he can walk home.
 
2013-04-29 10:22:49 PM  

flamingboar: Fark every single congress member and senate member.


Ew, no, they've all got diseases.
 
2013-04-29 10:29:03 PM  

Gosling: Biological Ali: Sure, but how many times did they repeal Obamacare in this legislation?

At last count? We're up to 40.


They're nothing if not persistant.
 
2013-04-29 10:47:37 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: Or did Obama's plan backfire?


Funny, the plan was voted in by both Republicans and Democrats. It was a last ditch effort. Your Republican friends obstructed every attempt to keep this from happening.
 
2013-04-29 11:21:06 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: Or did Obama's plan backfire?


Regardless of what you've been told, repeating a lie doesn't make it true.

It was drafted because the GOP didn't want to raise the debt ceiling and both sides created the sequester to force the sides to come together because THE SEQUESTER WAS DESIGNED TO BE PUNITIVE BECAUSE THE SEQUESTER WAS SUPPOSED TO NEVER HAPPEN.

Of course Obama made the mistake of thinking that the GOP would stop flapping their dicks in the breeze and actually do something productive for once.
 
2013-04-29 11:32:35 PM  
You know what. Fark every. Single. Dumbass. Redneck. Teabagger. Republican. You pussies wanted this, yet you scream at the very first instance of being inconvienced. Fark you, and.your half dead cracker mother who voted for this shiat.
 
2013-04-29 11:37:15 PM  

SilentStrider: Gosling: Biological Ali: Sure, but how many times did they repeal Obamacare in this legislation?

At last count? We're up to 40.

They're nothing if not persistant.


Demented and sad, but persistent.
 
2013-04-29 11:50:24 PM  
I wonder how much lobbyist money brought this about as well. Now I guess tickets will go up due to having to pay back what the air lines spent to get their way.
 
2013-04-29 11:54:31 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Of course Obama made the mistake of thinking that the GOP would stop flapping their dicks in the breeze and actually do something productive for once.


No, his mistake was thinking that he could repeat 1995, but as he's also recently learned with gun control, this ain't the Nineties.
 
2013-04-29 11:57:02 PM  
This really was a masterful plan by the Republicans. The Republicans want to drastically cut things like social programs but the Democrats wouldn't let them so they got the (idiot) Democrats to agree to across the board cuts. Now the Republicans will repeal the cuts they dislike, leaving the things they wanted to be cut to remain underfunded, getting exactly what they want.
 
2013-04-30 12:22:04 AM  

candidus: Mrtraveler01: Of course Obama made the mistake of thinking that the GOP would stop flapping their dicks in the breeze and actually do something productive for once.

No, his mistake was thinking that he could repeat 1995, but as he's also recently learned with gun control, this ain't the Nineties.


Yes, Republicans are even BIGGER obstructionist, power hungry assholes than they were in the 90s.
 
2013-04-30 12:23:35 AM  

jehovahs witness protection: Or did Obama's plan backfire?


You mean the plan written by Congress (the sequester) that explicitly forbid Obama from shuffling funds? That Obama plan?
 
2013-04-30 12:37:11 AM  

LordJiro: Yes, Republicans are even BIGGER obstructionist, power hungry assholes than they were in the 90s.


Stomp your feet a little harder.

Obama supported sequestration because he believed that, should it go into effect, the public would blame the Republicans for the subsequent "pain" just as they had during the government shutdown of 1995. Unfortunately for him it hasn't worked out that way. He's been clowned by the stupid wing of The Party.
 
2013-04-30 12:38:19 AM  

ImpendingCynic: You mean the plan written by Congress (the sequester) that explicitly forbid Obama from shuffling funds? That Obama plan?


Maybe Obama had to sign the bill to find out what's in it.
 
2013-04-30 01:42:16 AM  
TDS did a great piece on this tonight.
 
2013-04-30 02:17:32 AM  

candidus: ImpendingCynic: You mean the plan written by Congress (the sequester) that explicitly forbid Obama from shuffling funds? That Obama plan?

Maybe Obama had to sign the bill to find out what's in it.


Congratulations on outing yourself as a blindly partisan idiot by bringing up THAT debunked talking point! Now I know for sure not to take you seriously.
 
2013-04-30 02:30:06 AM  

ImpendingCynic: jehovahs witness protection: Or did Obama's plan backfire?

You mean the plan written by Congress (the sequester) that explicitly forbid Obama from shuffling funds? That Obama plan?


Whose signature was on it and who threatened a veto if congress changed it?

Obama viewed the sequester as a club he could use to force more tax hikes and when the Republicans wouldn't go along with his cunning plan the sequester suddenly became all their fault. At a bare minimum Obama bears most of the responsibility for what happened, he is the "leader" after all, but congress... Including the Democrats... are not blameless either.
 
2013-04-30 03:03:10 AM  

LordJiro: Congratulations on outing yourself as a blindly partisan idiot by bringing up THAT debunked talking point! Now I know for sure not to take you seriously.


I'm crushed.
 
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