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(Huffington Post)   Ben Shapiro complains about Jason Collins lowering the standards of heroism since Normandy. Difficulty: Ben Shapiro calls conservative political pundits and candidates heroes   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 44
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2013-04-29 09:20:05 PM
8 votes:
i41.tinypic.com

Hes not a hero because he's gay, he's a hero because he has the courage to stand up and publicly admit it, knowing douchebags like Ben Shapiro will do everything they can to ruin his career, reputation and life. DIAF Ben Shapiro, and take all the other homophobic douches in this country with you.
2013-04-29 11:11:16 PM
4 votes:
To anyone who doesnt think this guy is a hero:

He is risking physical harm, being ostracized at his place of employment (if not outright let go), and all of the backlash that comes with being a lightning rod, all so that some kid can look up on TV and tell himself, "I can be gay and still play pro ball."

If that's not your def of a hero, then you need to read a few more dictionaries.
2013-04-29 09:18:24 PM
4 votes:

skullkrusher: Let's stop throwing the word "hero"


If we can't use the word "hero" for someone who did something that nobody else had the courage to do, what CAN we use it for?
2013-04-29 08:44:47 PM
4 votes:

jaytkay: Gyrfalcon: Put this guy in a time machine and send him back to Omaha Beach.

He's twenty-nine years old so he probably served in Iraq or Afghanistan.


lol

I'm going with Chickenhawk
2013-04-29 08:27:44 PM
4 votes:
The swing in public acceptance of homosexuality has happened faster than I ever dared to dream. I went to a large public high school - 448 in my graduating class - and there was "a" gay student. Today high school GLBT clubs march in Pride Parades. It's fantastic, and the icing on the cake is that it's happening too fast for the people who opposed it to gradually shift their view and hope nobody notices.
2013-04-30 01:04:49 AM
3 votes:
Ben Shapiro is a true American hero for taking this stand. Now all he needs to do is go up to Collins (7'0" , 270lbs) and say it right to his sissy-mary face.
2013-04-29 10:53:30 PM
3 votes:

The Why Not Guy: The swing in public acceptance of homosexuality has happened faster than I ever dared to dream. I went to a large public high school - 448 in my graduating class - and there was "a" gay student. Today high school GLBT clubs march in Pride Parades. It's fantastic, and the icing on the cake is that it's happening too fast for the people who opposed it to gradually shift their view and hope nobody notices.


Even as late as the early 90s, (grunge, The Simpsons were still new) being gay in high school was something no one discussed. There was your standard locker roomtalk like, "Hey, didya hear Brandon likes to suck dicks?" but that was about the extent of it. But the unspoken undercurrent was that while we weren't vicious rednecks, lord help you if you actually came out of the closet.

So no one did.

Then I went to college, and even though it was a large Southern school, everyone was gay. It was incredibly eye-opening for me, a straight man, to be introduced to the idea that gay people are my classmates and live in the dorm across the hall. Up to that point homosexuality was just something I had heard or read about. Aside from the questionable choices in fashion on both our parts, we were the same people. Who knew, right?

After college I bummed around American a Europe with basically zero currency for a bit before eventually settling in the French Quarter. Despite parts of it resembling an overblown frat party, residentially speaking it's among the gayest neighborhoods in America. On some years I was the only straight guy on the entire block. Here is where I went from "meh, gay people exist" to being passionately involved in gay rights. This is important: After having lived there and forming lifelong friendships, every time I saw some assbag 'conservative' ranting about the evil ways of teh homogheys I took it personally. These are my friends you're talking about, you sh*tgargler.

So it was exposure that formed my opinions. And I think that's what happened for many Americans in the later 90s onward...homosexuality went from being a taboo in the media to an actual ratings draw. Suddenly millions of people are getting the idea that gay folks are just, well, regular people. I don't have the data to correlate the media's portrayal of homosexuality with the massive social strides have been made in 15 years, But it seems obvious. So in a way, the bigots who protest every little thing on TV for fear of corrupting our children are correct - the media can play that role. Thing is, it can be used for good and for ill. Kids today aren't any more troubled because there are is a same-sex couple on their screen. In fact, they'll be the generation that is finally so bored with a non-issue that politicians drop it altogether. You certainly don't hear talking heads ranting about miscegenation or whites-only drinking fountains anymore, fringe wingnuts aside, do you?

One more culture of bigotry is nearing its death throes.
2013-04-29 08:29:11 PM
3 votes:
These idiots are like Reverse Ingsoc. They're unwittingly changing the meanings of existing words, like "hero" being changed to mean "liar and asshole", "patriot" to mean "liar and asshole", "conservative" to mean "liar and asshole". Admittedly, they're not creating a huge variety in new definitions...
2013-04-29 07:29:23 PM
3 votes:
FTFA: This, of course, sent Twitter scurrying to Shapiro's Twitter feed to find out just what met his definition of heroism...

And that is what I don't understand. You would think people like Shapiro and the National Review would realize it takes mere microseconds to destroy their credibility. A Google search with a partial screenshot and its Q.E.D.
2013-04-29 11:53:05 PM
2 votes:

Peki: To anyone who doesnt think this guy is a hero:

He is risking physical harm, being ostracized at his place of employment (if not outright let go), and all of the backlash that comes with being a lightning rod, all so that some kid can look up on TV and tell himself, "I can be gay and still play pro ball."

If that's not your def of a hero, then you need to read a few more dictionaries.


That's the point this pundit misses. No, loving the cock does not make you a hero. But given that pro sports in America is among the great bastions refusing to accept homosexuality as just another part of normal life, it at least makes you ballsy. The fact that it can inspire other athletes to not live openly is the best part.

I've seen some stupid comments on the internet (you don't say?) calling him a twink and all. But for the most part the sports fans in this country don't really care unless it's a huge distraction. That's a valid point, but pro players regularly cause distractions for non-penis reasons. Look at Tiki Barber's childish bullsh*t. Thing is, we're talking about an athlete who wants to be out and live his life openly and honestly. That's a lot different than just whining to the press about your career. In that case, you just keep you dick holster shut and wait until decisions are made before flapping your vagina all over ESPN.
2013-04-29 09:59:05 PM
2 votes:

skullkrusher: However, I think the word "hero" should be reserved for those who put themselves out to help others.


And this is not that...how?
2013-04-29 09:48:46 PM
2 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: Let's stop throwing the word "hero"

If we can't use the word "hero" for someone who did something that nobody else had the courage to do, what CAN we use it for?

2013-04-29 09:41:43 PM
2 votes:

skullkrusher: a person who sacrifices himself for others. Runs into a burning building. Cool kid pretending to be gay to take the heat of the bullied gay kid. Not a guy who comes to terms with himself and comes out for his own sanity. It takes courage and it is nice to see someone relieve himself of that burden but I don't find it heroic.


If it saves one gay teenage basketball player from killing him or herself - he is a hero.  Period.
2013-04-29 09:14:12 PM
2 votes:
Doing something risky that no one has ever dared to do before, because you think it is right and will help others isn't heroic or courageous.

Doing what MANY people have done for ages, with a lot of money and a safe backing involved is the very definition of "heroic."  Anything less than "extremely mainstream" is more like "hey I'm a flake!" than "hey I'm taking a risk here!"

Right?
2013-04-29 08:53:04 PM
2 votes:

The Why Not Guy: The swing in public acceptance of homosexuality has happened faster than I ever dared to dream. I went to a large public high school - 448 in my graduating class - and there was "a" gay student. Today high school GLBT clubs march in Pride Parades. It's fantastic, and the icing on the cake is that it's happening too fast for the people who opposed it to gradually shift their view and hope nobody notices.


We "just don't care" now.   We don't want to hear anything about anybody being gay.  It's very important that no one publicly announce their sexual orientation because we don't care about that anymore.

God!  Why won't you libs stop talking about the existence of gay people and all that gay sex that they do?  It's pretty obvious that you libs are the REAL homophobes.
2013-04-29 08:46:28 PM
2 votes:

jaytkay: Gyrfalcon: Put this guy in a time machine and send him back to Omaha Beach.

He's twenty-nine years old so he probably served in Iraq or Afghanistan.


IF he served, it was as a heroic supply clerk at Ft. Dix.
2013-04-29 08:27:00 PM
2 votes:
Put this guy in a time machine and send him back to Omaha Beach.
2013-04-29 08:21:16 PM
2 votes:

Somacandra: You would think people like Shapiro and the National Review would realize it takes mere microseconds to destroy their credibility.


They have no credibility among normal people.

And yet they have an audience.
2013-04-29 08:15:52 PM
2 votes:
If Mark Levin, Adam Carolla, and Ted Cruz are heros ... then this world needs a damn sight many more cowards.
2013-04-29 07:19:26 PM
2 votes:

I_Am_Weasel: Perhaps I'm being a little bit judgemental, but Ben Shapiro seems to be a douche.

He's going that "I'm a douche" face too.

douche.


This is the guy who accused Chuck Hagel of taking money from "Friends of Hamas"

So, yeah....douche
2013-04-29 06:56:38 PM
2 votes:
You know I wouldn't mind all this projection if they at least showed something worth watching, but it's the same tired sucky movie over and over.
2013-04-30 12:18:44 AM
1 votes:
Breitbart? hmmm...  F3 "an hero"

really? nobody?
2013-04-30 12:02:07 AM
1 votes:

js34603: Peki: To anyone who doesnt think this guy is a hero:

He is risking physical harm, being ostracized at his place of employment (if not outright let go), and all of the backlash that comes with being a lightning rod, all so that some kid can look up on TV and tell himself, "I can be gay and still play pro ball."

If that's not your def of a hero, then you need to read a few more dictionaries.

Doesn't every gay person who comes out face all those things?


Meh, when I came out I wasn't making myself a lightning rod. Nobody much cares if you're a gay lawyer.
2013-04-29 10:51:23 PM
1 votes:

skullkrusher: ok, Cam.
You've succeeded in wearing me down with your tedious "I'm an idiot" act. You win. You've convinced me. You're indeed an idiot.


You can't prove why you think the word "hero" is watered down, and I'm the idiot here? Please, explain.
2013-04-29 10:48:23 PM
1 votes:

skullkrusher: yes, I believe it should be reserved for people who put themselves at risk to help others


Why do you believe this, despite popular usage and the dictionary definition of the word being different?

skullkrusher: Everyone is a hero these days


See and here's the part where I asked you if you could point to this usage being different somewhere in the past and you either weren't able to or skipped it. See? Here's your chance to prove your opinion to be the correct one. At what time in the past was "hero" reserved for only those people who put themselves at risk to help others? If you can prove that it was, then your opinion is sound.
2013-04-29 10:40:12 PM
1 votes:

skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: Cam: Prove that it tasted differently 20 years ago
*looks around to see if anyone else notices how witty I think I am*

Hey, you're the one who's claiming that you feel that the use of the word "hero" is watered-down. That's a claim that one should be able to prove, is it not?

you want me to prove a subjective opinion? Just stop, dude. You aren't as bright as you want to believe you are.


Yeah. You know. Provide examples of this supposed "watering down." There must be  some reason that you believe this, right? Someone as educated and intelligent as you doesn't believe something without reason.
2013-04-29 10:25:13 PM
1 votes:

skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: I just think the word "hero" is watered down

Can you provide examples of this? Like, can you say for a fact that 20 years ago the word "hero" wasn't used in this manner?

what the fark does that matter? I think it should be reserved regardless of how it was used yesterday or 20  years ago.


Then how can you state that it is "watered down"? If it's always been used that way, how can something be "watered down"? Isn't that, then, just how it is?
2013-04-29 10:22:13 PM
1 votes:

kieran57: Sgt Otter: Gyrfalcon: jaytkay: Gyrfalcon: Put this guy in a time machine and send him back to Omaha Beach.

He's twenty-nine years old so he probably served in Iraq or Afghanistan.

IF he served, it was as a heroic supply clerk at Ft. Dix.

According to Wiki, he was law student who wrote editorials for the student newspaper calling for increased surveillance of Muslim students.

/Also Zapp Rosdower's catamite.

Your color is orange, and your note is "Zapp Rosdower's Catamite." Thank you for giving me such a wonderful phrase


Catamite is a wonderful word, and needs to be revived.
2013-04-29 10:16:58 PM
1 votes:

skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: However, I think the word "hero" should be reserved for those who put themselves out to help others.

And this is not that...how?

Did you read the SI article? Where did you get from that that he was coming out to make it easier for kids struggling with their identity?
The whole thing was about him coming out for himself. Understandable and happy for him but that's the point.


I'm sorry, but I'm not aware of any connotation of heroism that requires a courageous act that helps others to be entirely selfless.
2013-04-29 10:01:57 PM
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: However, I think the word "hero" should be reserved for those who put themselves out to help others.

And this is not that...how?


It is that...don't waste your time.
2013-04-29 09:43:56 PM
1 votes:
The real heroes are pocket-sized, straight conservative pundits who dare to remain resolute in their courage to speak the truth that you poop from there, thus icky.
2013-04-29 09:41:09 PM
1 votes:

skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: Let's stop throwing the word "hero"

If we can't use the word "hero" for someone who did something that nobody else had the courage to do, what CAN we use it for?

a person who sacrifices himself for others. Runs into a burning building. Cool kid pretending to be gay to take the heat of the bullied gay kid. Not a guy who comes to terms with himself and comes out for his own sanity. It takes courage and it is nice to see someone relieve himself of that burden but I don't find it heroic.


Unfortunately for you the English language once again disagrees with your opinion.
2013-04-29 09:25:58 PM
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: Let's stop throwing the word "hero"

If we can't use the word "hero" for someone who did something that nobody else had the courage to do, what CAN we use it for?


a person who sacrifices himself for others. Runs into a burning building. Cool kid pretending to be gay to take the heat of the bullied gay kid. Not a guy who comes to terms with himself and comes out for his own sanity. It takes courage and it is nice to see someone relieve himself of that burden but I don't find it heroic.
2013-04-29 09:11:35 PM
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: jaytkay: Gyrfalcon: Put this guy in a time machine and send him back to Omaha Beach.

He's twenty-nine years old so he probably served in Iraq or Afghanistan.

IF he served, it was as a heroic supply clerk at Ft. Dix.


According to Wiki, he was law student who wrote editorials for the student newspaper calling for increased surveillance of Muslim students.

/Also Zapp Rosdower's catamite.
2013-04-29 09:07:27 PM
1 votes:

Sensual Tyrannosaurus: Isn't Shapiro the asshole that calls everyone who disagrees with him an anti-semite?


Oh my god, Ben Shapiro is on Fark?!
2013-04-29 09:03:04 PM
1 votes:

The Why Not Guy: The swing in public acceptance of homosexuality has happened faster than I ever dared to dream. I went to a large public high school - 448 in my graduating class - and there was "a" gay student. Today high school GLBT clubs march in Pride Parades. It's fantastic, and the icing on the cake is that it's happening too fast for the people who opposed it to gradually shift their view and hope nobody notices.


Agreed. I think the biggest sign for me of that shift came from how little I was flamed on Facebook for coming out, even though a decent number of people on my friend's list are people from my hardcore religious right childhood. I mean, when even people who are friends with a number of who's who in the religious right leadership can't be bothered to even say that I'm sinning, that shows how fast things have swung.
2013-04-29 09:00:41 PM
1 votes:
Isn't Shapiro the asshole that calls everyone who disagrees with him an anti-semite?
2013-04-29 08:34:39 PM
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: Put this guy in a time machine and send him back to Omaha Beach.


He's twenty-nine years old so he probably served in Iraq or Afghanistan.
2013-04-29 08:34:25 PM
1 votes:
2013-04-29 08:23:00 PM
1 votes:
To be fair, it's pretty brave to be that openly stupid on video in the age of YouTube.
2013-04-29 08:20:36 PM
1 votes:
I do enjoy the fact that Ben Shapiro keeps making news for just how wrong and stupid he is. Helps keep the teabagger profile high in the political conscious
2013-04-29 08:16:40 PM
1 votes:

JerseyTim: Holy crap, there are people still checking to see what the Friends of Hamas guy thinks?!?


How many wingnuts actually know that was a farce?  shiat, many of them blamed ACORN for fraudulently securing the election for 0bammy...years after they had ceased to exist.

Not the sharpest pencils in the box, that crowd.
2013-04-29 08:02:18 PM
1 votes:
Holy crap, there are people still checking to see what the Friends of Hamas guy thinks?!?
2013-04-29 06:48:02 PM
1 votes:
Perhaps I'm being a little bit judgemental, but Ben Shapiro seems to be a douche.

He's going that "I'm a douche" face too.

douche.
 
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