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(Huffington Post)   Ben Shapiro complains about Jason Collins lowering the standards of heroism since Normandy. Difficulty: Ben Shapiro calls conservative political pundits and candidates heroes   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 134
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2013-04-29 06:48:02 PM
Perhaps I'm being a little bit judgemental, but Ben Shapiro seems to be a douche.

He's going that "I'm a douche" face too.

douche.
 
2013-04-29 06:56:38 PM
You know I wouldn't mind all this projection if they at least showed something worth watching, but it's the same tired sucky movie over and over.
 
2013-04-29 07:19:26 PM

I_Am_Weasel: Perhaps I'm being a little bit judgemental, but Ben Shapiro seems to be a douche.

He's going that "I'm a douche" face too.

douche.


This is the guy who accused Chuck Hagel of taking money from "Friends of Hamas"

So, yeah....douche
 
2013-04-29 07:29:23 PM
FTFA: This, of course, sent Twitter scurrying to Shapiro's Twitter feed to find out just what met his definition of heroism...

And that is what I don't understand. You would think people like Shapiro and the National Review would realize it takes mere microseconds to destroy their credibility. A Google search with a partial screenshot and its Q.E.D.
 
2013-04-29 07:58:56 PM
Ben Shapiro, editor-at-large for Breitbart.com,

Breitbart.com has an editor?
 
2013-04-29 08:02:18 PM
Holy crap, there are people still checking to see what the Friends of Hamas guy thinks?!?
 
2013-04-29 08:15:52 PM
If Mark Levin, Adam Carolla, and Ted Cruz are heros ... then this world needs a damn sight many more cowards.
 
2013-04-29 08:16:40 PM

JerseyTim: Holy crap, there are people still checking to see what the Friends of Hamas guy thinks?!?


How many wingnuts actually know that was a farce?  shiat, many of them blamed ACORN for fraudulently securing the election for 0bammy...years after they had ceased to exist.

Not the sharpest pencils in the box, that crowd.
 
2013-04-29 08:20:36 PM
I do enjoy the fact that Ben Shapiro keeps making news for just how wrong and stupid he is. Helps keep the teabagger profile high in the political conscious
 
2013-04-29 08:21:16 PM

Somacandra: You would think people like Shapiro and the National Review would realize it takes mere microseconds to destroy their credibility.


They have no credibility among normal people.

And yet they have an audience.
 
2013-04-29 08:23:00 PM
To be fair, it's pretty brave to be that openly stupid on video in the age of YouTube.
 
2013-04-29 08:25:41 PM
You know who else was a hero?

That's right, Frank Stallone.
 
2013-04-29 08:27:00 PM
Put this guy in a time machine and send him back to Omaha Beach.
 
2013-04-29 08:27:44 PM
The swing in public acceptance of homosexuality has happened faster than I ever dared to dream. I went to a large public high school - 448 in my graduating class - and there was "a" gay student. Today high school GLBT clubs march in Pride Parades. It's fantastic, and the icing on the cake is that it's happening too fast for the people who opposed it to gradually shift their view and hope nobody notices.
 
2013-04-29 08:29:11 PM
These idiots are like Reverse Ingsoc. They're unwittingly changing the meanings of existing words, like "hero" being changed to mean "liar and asshole", "patriot" to mean "liar and asshole", "conservative" to mean "liar and asshole". Admittedly, they're not creating a huge variety in new definitions...
 
2013-04-29 08:31:34 PM

The Why Not Guy: The swing in public acceptance of homosexuality has happened faster than I ever dared to dream. I went to a large public high school - 448 in my graduating class - and there was "a" gay student. Today high school GLBT clubs march in Pride Parades. It's fantastic, and the icing on the cake is that it's happening too fast for the people who opposed it to gradually shift their view and hope nobody notices.


Yup. I'm digging that the bi, queer, and trans communities aren't being completely left out hanging to dry either, which is what a lot of us worried would happen when gay marriage started taking the stage. It would have been really easy for gay people to have further marginalized the other letters in the alphabet soup, but it's been pretty equitable all around, at least as far as media coverage goes.

/us polyamours/polygamists, though, we're still too fringe
//s'okay, I don't think the average American is ready for that anyway
 
2013-04-29 08:32:54 PM

ultraholland: You know who else was a hero?



www.mydisguises.com
 
2013-04-29 08:34:25 PM
 
2013-04-29 08:34:39 PM

Gyrfalcon: Put this guy in a time machine and send him back to Omaha Beach.


He's twenty-nine years old so he probably served in Iraq or Afghanistan.
 
2013-04-29 08:43:36 PM
Look, Mass Effect was a good game but I wouldn't call making it an act of Heroism.
 
2013-04-29 08:44:47 PM

jaytkay: Gyrfalcon: Put this guy in a time machine and send him back to Omaha Beach.

He's twenty-nine years old so he probably served in Iraq or Afghanistan.


lol

I'm going with Chickenhawk
 
2013-04-29 08:46:28 PM

jaytkay: Gyrfalcon: Put this guy in a time machine and send him back to Omaha Beach.

He's twenty-nine years old so he probably served in Iraq or Afghanistan.


IF he served, it was as a heroic supply clerk at Ft. Dix.
 
2013-04-29 08:53:04 PM

The Why Not Guy: The swing in public acceptance of homosexuality has happened faster than I ever dared to dream. I went to a large public high school - 448 in my graduating class - and there was "a" gay student. Today high school GLBT clubs march in Pride Parades. It's fantastic, and the icing on the cake is that it's happening too fast for the people who opposed it to gradually shift their view and hope nobody notices.


We "just don't care" now.   We don't want to hear anything about anybody being gay.  It's very important that no one publicly announce their sexual orientation because we don't care about that anymore.

God!  Why won't you libs stop talking about the existence of gay people and all that gay sex that they do?  It's pretty obvious that you libs are the REAL homophobes.
 
2013-04-29 08:58:23 PM
wonkette.com
 
2013-04-29 09:00:41 PM
Isn't Shapiro the asshole that calls everyone who disagrees with him an anti-semite?
 
2013-04-29 09:03:04 PM

The Why Not Guy: The swing in public acceptance of homosexuality has happened faster than I ever dared to dream. I went to a large public high school - 448 in my graduating class - and there was "a" gay student. Today high school GLBT clubs march in Pride Parades. It's fantastic, and the icing on the cake is that it's happening too fast for the people who opposed it to gradually shift their view and hope nobody notices.


Agreed. I think the biggest sign for me of that shift came from how little I was flamed on Facebook for coming out, even though a decent number of people on my friend's list are people from my hardcore religious right childhood. I mean, when even people who are friends with a number of who's who in the religious right leadership can't be bothered to even say that I'm sinning, that shows how fast things have swung.
 
2013-04-29 09:07:27 PM

Sensual Tyrannosaurus: Isn't Shapiro the asshole that calls everyone who disagrees with him an anti-semite?


Oh my god, Ben Shapiro is on Fark?!
 
2013-04-29 09:11:35 PM

Gyrfalcon: jaytkay: Gyrfalcon: Put this guy in a time machine and send him back to Omaha Beach.

He's twenty-nine years old so he probably served in Iraq or Afghanistan.

IF he served, it was as a heroic supply clerk at Ft. Dix.


According to Wiki, he was law student who wrote editorials for the student newspaper calling for increased surveillance of Muslim students.

/Also Zapp Rosdower's catamite.
 
2013-04-29 09:12:35 PM
my only complaint about the Collins coverage is hearing his coming out compared to Jackie Robinson. Taking nothing away from Collins but Robinson had it much worse
 
2013-04-29 09:14:12 PM
Doing something risky that no one has ever dared to do before, because you think it is right and will help others isn't heroic or courageous.

Doing what MANY people have done for ages, with a lot of money and a safe backing involved is the very definition of "heroic."  Anything less than "extremely mainstream" is more like "hey I'm a flake!" than "hey I'm taking a risk here!"

Right?
 
2013-04-29 09:14:37 PM

Sgt Otter: /Also Zapp Rosdower's catamite.


"I wonder if there's beer on the sun."
 
2013-04-29 09:16:09 PM

Waldo Pepper: my only complaint about the Collins coverage is hearing his coming out compared to Jackie Robinson. Taking nothing away from Collins but Robinson had it much worse


True, but there really is nothing else you could compare it to.
 
2013-04-29 09:16:44 PM
Oh FFS. What Collins did took balls and I don't know a farking thing about the dude but I'm glad that he's finally able to be open about his natural wiring. Is he a hero? No. He came out for his own peace of mind. Can he be a role model for kids struggling with their identity as proof that there's life after coming out? Absolutely. Let's stop throwing the word "hero" around and also let's stop using the fact that the word "hero" is being very loosely used here as a convenient excuse to bash a gay guy.

fark you all. That's it.

/the royal you
 
2013-04-29 09:18:24 PM

skullkrusher: Let's stop throwing the word "hero"


If we can't use the word "hero" for someone who did something that nobody else had the courage to do, what CAN we use it for?
 
2013-04-29 09:20:05 PM
i41.tinypic.com

Hes not a hero because he's gay, he's a hero because he has the courage to stand up and publicly admit it, knowing douchebags like Ben Shapiro will do everything they can to ruin his career, reputation and life. DIAF Ben Shapiro, and take all the other homophobic douches in this country with you.
 
2013-04-29 09:23:59 PM

Sgt Otter: Gyrfalcon: jaytkay: Gyrfalcon: Put this guy in a time machine and send him back to Omaha Beach.

He's twenty-nine years old so he probably served in Iraq or Afghanistan.

IF he served, it was as a heroic supply clerk at Ft. Dix.

According to Wiki, he was law student who wrote editorials for the student newspaper calling for increased surveillance of Muslim students.

/Also Zapp Rosdower's catamite.




He's just angry that Larry Csonka never wrote back.
 
2013-04-29 09:25:58 PM

cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: Let's stop throwing the word "hero"

If we can't use the word "hero" for someone who did something that nobody else had the courage to do, what CAN we use it for?


a person who sacrifices himself for others. Runs into a burning building. Cool kid pretending to be gay to take the heat of the bullied gay kid. Not a guy who comes to terms with himself and comes out for his own sanity. It takes courage and it is nice to see someone relieve himself of that burden but I don't find it heroic.
 
2013-04-29 09:31:22 PM

skullkrusher: Oh FFS. What Collins did took balls and I don't know a farking thing about the dude but I'm glad that he's finally able to be open about his natural wiring. Is he a hero? No. He came out for his own peace of mind. Can he be a role model for kids struggling with their identity as proof that there's life after coming out? Absolutely. Let's stop throwing the word "hero" around and also let's stop using the fact that the word "hero" is being very loosely used here as a convenient excuse to bash a gay guy.

fark you all. That's it.

/the royal you


Fark you too!

25.media.tumblr.com

/Want some pancakes?
 
2013-04-29 09:41:09 PM

skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: Let's stop throwing the word "hero"

If we can't use the word "hero" for someone who did something that nobody else had the courage to do, what CAN we use it for?

a person who sacrifices himself for others. Runs into a burning building. Cool kid pretending to be gay to take the heat of the bullied gay kid. Not a guy who comes to terms with himself and comes out for his own sanity. It takes courage and it is nice to see someone relieve himself of that burden but I don't find it heroic.


Unfortunately for you the English language once again disagrees with your opinion.
 
2013-04-29 09:41:43 PM

skullkrusher: a person who sacrifices himself for others. Runs into a burning building. Cool kid pretending to be gay to take the heat of the bullied gay kid. Not a guy who comes to terms with himself and comes out for his own sanity. It takes courage and it is nice to see someone relieve himself of that burden but I don't find it heroic.


If it saves one gay teenage basketball player from killing him or herself - he is a hero.  Period.
 
2013-04-29 09:42:01 PM

Sgt Otter: Gyrfalcon: jaytkay: Gyrfalcon: Put this guy in a time machine and send him back to Omaha Beach.

He's twenty-nine years old so he probably served in Iraq or Afghanistan.

IF he served, it was as a heroic supply clerk at Ft. Dix.

According to Wiki, he was law student who wrote editorials for the student newspaper calling for increased surveillance of Muslim students.

/Also Zapp Rosdower's catamite.


Your color is orange, and your note is "Zapp Rosdower's Catamite." Thank you for giving me such a wonderful phrase
 
2013-04-29 09:43:56 PM
The real heroes are pocket-sized, straight conservative pundits who dare to remain resolute in their courage to speak the truth that you poop from there, thus icky.
 
2013-04-29 09:44:17 PM

cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: Let's stop throwing the word "hero"

If we can't use the word "hero" for someone who did something that nobody else had the courage to do, what CAN we use it for?

a person who sacrifices himself for others. Runs into a burning building. Cool kid pretending to be gay to take the heat of the bullied gay kid. Not a guy who comes to terms with himself and comes out for his own sanity. It takes courage and it is nice to see someone relieve himself of that burden but I don't find it heroic.

Unfortunately for you the English language once again disagrees with your opinion.


actually this time you're right for a change. However, I think the word "hero" should be reserved for those who put themselves out to help others.
So, yes, I disagree with the willy-nilly use of the word in that I find the connotation important.
 
2013-04-29 09:45:37 PM

gingerjet: skullkrusher: a person who sacrifices himself for others. Runs into a burning building. Cool kid pretending to be gay to take the heat of the bullied gay kid. Not a guy who comes to terms with himself and comes out for his own sanity. It takes courage and it is nice to see someone relieve himself of that burden but I don't find it heroic.

If it saves one gay teenage basketball player from killing him or herself - he is a hero.  Period.


not gonna get hung up on it - as I said, he can absolutely be a role model for kids who are struggling. I think the word should be reserved for a certain set of circumstances. That's all.
 
2013-04-29 09:48:46 PM

cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: Let's stop throwing the word "hero"

If we can't use the word "hero" for someone who did something that nobody else had the courage to do, what CAN we use it for?

 
2013-04-29 09:59:05 PM

skullkrusher: However, I think the word "hero" should be reserved for those who put themselves out to help others.


And this is not that...how?
 
2013-04-29 10:01:45 PM

skullkrusher: So, yes, I disagree with the willy-nilly use of the word in that I find the connotation important.


I think your bigger problem is with Shapiro; a hypocritical douche, who should have his nuts stomped into paste, by hobos.
 
2013-04-29 10:01:57 PM

cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: However, I think the word "hero" should be reserved for those who put themselves out to help others.

And this is not that...how?


It is that...don't waste your time.
 
2013-04-29 10:04:53 PM

Sgt Otter: /Also Zapp Rosdower's catamite.


I laughed at that far more than I should have.
 
2013-04-29 10:05:54 PM

cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: However, I think the word "hero" should be reserved for those who put themselves out to help others.

And this is not that...how?


Did you read the SI article? Where did you get from that that he was coming out to make it easier for kids struggling with their identity?
The whole thing was about him coming out for himself. Understandable and happy for him but that's the point.
 
2013-04-29 10:06:48 PM

Lionel Mandrake: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: However, I think the word "hero" should be reserved for those who put themselves out to help others.

And this is not that...how?

It is that...don't waste your time.


well lookie here, Lionel Mandrake with nothing insightful to add? Color me shocked.
 
2013-04-29 10:08:53 PM

Elmo Jones: skullkrusher: So, yes, I disagree with the willy-nilly use of the word in that I find the connotation important.

I think your bigger problem is with Shapiro; a hypocritical douche, who should have his nuts stomped into paste, by hobos.


well, yeah, he's the one committing the far greater sin. I just think the word "hero" is watered down and the connotations should override the literally technically accurate usage of the word so that's not even a sin, just a slight biatch on my part. Shapiro is using this notion, however, as an excuse to bash a gay dude who just took the plunge. That's indefensible and he can eat a whole bag of penii.
 
2013-04-29 10:16:58 PM

skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: However, I think the word "hero" should be reserved for those who put themselves out to help others.

And this is not that...how?

Did you read the SI article? Where did you get from that that he was coming out to make it easier for kids struggling with their identity?
The whole thing was about him coming out for himself. Understandable and happy for him but that's the point.


I'm sorry, but I'm not aware of any connotation of heroism that requires a courageous act that helps others to be entirely selfless.
 
2013-04-29 10:18:12 PM

skullkrusher: I just think the word "hero" is watered down


Can you provide examples of this? Like, can you say for a fact that 20 years ago the word "hero" wasn't used in this manner?
 
2013-04-29 10:19:46 PM

cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: I just think the word "hero" is watered down

Can you provide examples of this? Like, can you say for a fact that 20 years ago the word "hero" wasn't used in this manner?


what the fark does that matter? I think it should be reserved regardless of how it was used yesterday or 20  years ago.
 
2013-04-29 10:22:13 PM

kieran57: Sgt Otter: Gyrfalcon: jaytkay: Gyrfalcon: Put this guy in a time machine and send him back to Omaha Beach.

He's twenty-nine years old so he probably served in Iraq or Afghanistan.

IF he served, it was as a heroic supply clerk at Ft. Dix.

According to Wiki, he was law student who wrote editorials for the student newspaper calling for increased surveillance of Muslim students.

/Also Zapp Rosdower's catamite.

Your color is orange, and your note is "Zapp Rosdower's Catamite." Thank you for giving me such a wonderful phrase


Catamite is a wonderful word, and needs to be revived.
 
2013-04-29 10:24:06 PM

cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: However, I think the word "hero" should be reserved for those who put themselves out to help others.

And this is not that...how?

Did you read the SI article? Where did you get from that that he was coming out to make it easier for kids struggling with their identity?
The whole thing was about him coming out for himself. Understandable and happy for him but that's the point.

I'm sorry, but I'm not aware of any connotation of heroism that requires a courageous act that helps others to be entirely selfless.


really? You're not aware of the connotation of a "hero" as someone who puts himself at risk act acts courageous in order to help others?
The war hero braving enemy fire to drag his buddies to safety?
The firefighter heroically risking his life to save a child from a burning building?
A gay public figure coming out and risking his career to help younger people struggling with their identities?

See, Collins didn't do that last thing. He came out for his own mental well being. If that winds up benefiting kids, great but there is no indication that that is what drove his decision - in fact, what he says makes it a personal thing. That's why I don't think "hero" really applies.

Now I've explained it, that's it. As I said, Shapiro is guilty of the far greater sin
 
2013-04-29 10:25:13 PM

skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: I just think the word "hero" is watered down

Can you provide examples of this? Like, can you say for a fact that 20 years ago the word "hero" wasn't used in this manner?

what the fark does that matter? I think it should be reserved regardless of how it was used yesterday or 20  years ago.


Then how can you state that it is "watered down"? If it's always been used that way, how can something be "watered down"? Isn't that, then, just how it is?
 
2013-04-29 10:27:15 PM
A conversation with  skullkrusher:

[both order shots of 80 proof tequila]

Me: So, how did you like it?

SK: I think it's watered down.

Me: Watered down? It's a straight shot.

SK: Well, I feel like it's watered down, so it must be.
 
2013-04-29 10:29:01 PM

cameroncrazy1984: A conversation with  skullkrusher:

[both order shots of 80 proof tequila]

Me: So, how did you like it?

SK: I think it's watered down.

Me: Watered down? It's a straight shot.

SK: Well, I feel like it's watered down, so it must be.


Cam: Prove that it tasted differently 20 years ago
*looks around to see if anyone else notices how witty I think I am*
 
2013-04-29 10:32:54 PM

skullkrusher: Cam: Prove that it tasted differently 20 years ago
*looks around to see if anyone else notices how witty I think I am*


Hey, you're the one who's claiming that you feel that the use of the word "hero" is watered-down. That's a claim that one should be able to prove, is it not?
 
2013-04-29 10:39:31 PM

cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: Cam: Prove that it tasted differently 20 years ago
*looks around to see if anyone else notices how witty I think I am*

Hey, you're the one who's claiming that you feel that the use of the word "hero" is watered-down. That's a claim that one should be able to prove, is it not?


you want me to prove a subjective opinion? Just stop, dude. You aren't as bright as you want to believe you are.
 
2013-04-29 10:40:12 PM

skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: Cam: Prove that it tasted differently 20 years ago
*looks around to see if anyone else notices how witty I think I am*

Hey, you're the one who's claiming that you feel that the use of the word "hero" is watered-down. That's a claim that one should be able to prove, is it not?

you want me to prove a subjective opinion? Just stop, dude. You aren't as bright as you want to believe you are.


Yeah. You know. Provide examples of this supposed "watering down." There must be  some reason that you believe this, right? Someone as educated and intelligent as you doesn't believe something without reason.
 
2013-04-29 10:43:50 PM

cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: Cam: Prove that it tasted differently 20 years ago
*looks around to see if anyone else notices how witty I think I am*

Hey, you're the one who's claiming that you feel that the use of the word "hero" is watered-down. That's a claim that one should be able to prove, is it not?

you want me to prove a subjective opinion? Just stop, dude. You aren't as bright as you want to believe you are.

Yeah. You know. Provide examples of this supposed "watering down." There must be  some reason that you believe this, right? Someone as educated and intelligent as you doesn't believe something without reason.


yes, I believe it should be reserved for people who put themselves at risk to help others. As I've said several times. I believe this is an example of how it is "watered down" in its usage. Everyone is a hero these days. Honestly daft or just pretending to be... it doesn't really matter.
 
2013-04-29 10:48:23 PM

skullkrusher: yes, I believe it should be reserved for people who put themselves at risk to help others


Why do you believe this, despite popular usage and the dictionary definition of the word being different?

skullkrusher: Everyone is a hero these days


See and here's the part where I asked you if you could point to this usage being different somewhere in the past and you either weren't able to or skipped it. See? Here's your chance to prove your opinion to be the correct one. At what time in the past was "hero" reserved for only those people who put themselves at risk to help others? If you can prove that it was, then your opinion is sound.
 
2013-04-29 10:50:02 PM

cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: yes, I believe it should be reserved for people who put themselves at risk to help others

Why do you believe this, despite popular usage and the dictionary definition of the word being different?

skullkrusher: Everyone is a hero these days

See and here's the part where I asked you if you could point to this usage being different somewhere in the past and you either weren't able to or skipped it. See? Here's your chance to prove your opinion to be the correct one. At what time in the past was "hero" reserved for only those people who put themselves at risk to help others? If you can prove that it was, then your opinion is sound.


ok, Cam.
You've succeeded in wearing me down with your tedious "I'm an idiot" act. You win. You've convinced me. You're indeed an idiot.
 
2013-04-29 10:51:23 PM

skullkrusher: ok, Cam.
You've succeeded in wearing me down with your tedious "I'm an idiot" act. You win. You've convinced me. You're indeed an idiot.


You can't prove why you think the word "hero" is watered down, and I'm the idiot here? Please, explain.
 
2013-04-29 10:53:30 PM

The Why Not Guy: The swing in public acceptance of homosexuality has happened faster than I ever dared to dream. I went to a large public high school - 448 in my graduating class - and there was "a" gay student. Today high school GLBT clubs march in Pride Parades. It's fantastic, and the icing on the cake is that it's happening too fast for the people who opposed it to gradually shift their view and hope nobody notices.


Even as late as the early 90s, (grunge, The Simpsons were still new) being gay in high school was something no one discussed. There was your standard locker roomtalk like, "Hey, didya hear Brandon likes to suck dicks?" but that was about the extent of it. But the unspoken undercurrent was that while we weren't vicious rednecks, lord help you if you actually came out of the closet.

So no one did.

Then I went to college, and even though it was a large Southern school, everyone was gay. It was incredibly eye-opening for me, a straight man, to be introduced to the idea that gay people are my classmates and live in the dorm across the hall. Up to that point homosexuality was just something I had heard or read about. Aside from the questionable choices in fashion on both our parts, we were the same people. Who knew, right?

After college I bummed around American a Europe with basically zero currency for a bit before eventually settling in the French Quarter. Despite parts of it resembling an overblown frat party, residentially speaking it's among the gayest neighborhoods in America. On some years I was the only straight guy on the entire block. Here is where I went from "meh, gay people exist" to being passionately involved in gay rights. This is important: After having lived there and forming lifelong friendships, every time I saw some assbag 'conservative' ranting about the evil ways of teh homogheys I took it personally. These are my friends you're talking about, you sh*tgargler.

So it was exposure that formed my opinions. And I think that's what happened for many Americans in the later 90s onward...homosexuality went from being a taboo in the media to an actual ratings draw. Suddenly millions of people are getting the idea that gay folks are just, well, regular people. I don't have the data to correlate the media's portrayal of homosexuality with the massive social strides have been made in 15 years, But it seems obvious. So in a way, the bigots who protest every little thing on TV for fear of corrupting our children are correct - the media can play that role. Thing is, it can be used for good and for ill. Kids today aren't any more troubled because there are is a same-sex couple on their screen. In fact, they'll be the generation that is finally so bored with a non-issue that politicians drop it altogether. You certainly don't hear talking heads ranting about miscegenation or whites-only drinking fountains anymore, fringe wingnuts aside, do you?

One more culture of bigotry is nearing its death throes.
 
2013-04-29 11:03:01 PM
Typical SK. Call me an idiot for no reason and then leave.
 
2013-04-29 11:04:27 PM

skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: Cam: Prove that it tasted differently 20 years ago
*looks around to see if anyone else notices how witty I think I am*

Hey, you're the one who's claiming that you feel that the use of the word "hero" is watered-down. That's a claim that one should be able to prove, is it not?

you want me to prove a subjective opinion? Just stop, dude. You aren't as bright as you want to believe you are.

Yeah. You know. Provide examples of this supposed "watering down." There must be  some reason that you believe this, right? Someone as educated and intelligent as you doesn't believe something without reason.

yes, I believe it should be reserved for people who put themselves at risk to help others. As I've said several times. I believe this is an example of how it is "watered down" in its usage. Everyone is a hero these days. Honestly daft or just pretending to be... it doesn't really matter.


For what it's worth, I agree with your general point. For instance, while I appreciate the service of every man and woman who wears the uniform of the United States Armed Forces, I get really tired of hearing that they're all, each and every one, a hero.

In this instance, I think Collins has revealed himself to be a man of integrity and courage, but I would not call him a hero, per se. That's the nice thing about heroes, though - we're each entitled to have our own.
 
2013-04-29 11:05:47 PM
it's watered down because of subway's 11.5 inch rolls
 
2013-04-29 11:07:44 PM

skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: yes, I believe it should be reserved for people who put themselves at risk to help others

Why do you believe this, despite popular usage and the dictionary definition of the word being different?

skullkrusher: Everyone is a hero these days

See and here's the part where I asked you if you could point to this usage being different somewhere in the past and you either weren't able to or skipped it. See? Here's your chance to prove your opinion to be the correct one. At what time in the past was "hero" reserved for only those people who put themselves at risk to help others? If you can prove that it was, then your opinion is sound.

ok, Cam.
You've succeeded in wearing me down with your tedious "I'm an idiot" act. You win. You've convinced me. You're indeed an idiot.


That was just a poor Internet effort.
 
2013-04-29 11:08:59 PM

BMulligan: For what it's worth, I agree with your general point. For instance, while I appreciate the service of every man and woman who wears the uniform of the United States Armed Forces, I get really tired of hearing that they're all, each and every one, a hero.


agreed. Some of them are straight up dickheads. Some of them just joined the military because they had no better options. Some have a genuine desire to serve their fellow citizens.

BMulligan: In this instance, I think Collins has revealed himself to be a man of integrity and courage, but I would not call him a hero, per se. That's the nice thing about heroes, though - we're each entitled to have our own.


certainly courageous. I can see how this revelation could potentially hurt him in free agent negotiations and relationships with future teammates. I can even see a young kid struggling with his identity thinking of him as a hero. I just don't think the generally applied "hero" label fits in this case. Someone might individually regard Bill Gates as a personal hero but it would be ridiculous to make the general statement: "That Bill Gates - wow, that guy's a hero"
 
2013-04-29 11:09:12 PM

Tymast: it's watered down because of subway's 11.5 inch rolls


Damn, I knew those things were evil.
 
2013-04-29 11:11:16 PM
To anyone who doesnt think this guy is a hero:

He is risking physical harm, being ostracized at his place of employment (if not outright let go), and all of the backlash that comes with being a lightning rod, all so that some kid can look up on TV and tell himself, "I can be gay and still play pro ball."

If that's not your def of a hero, then you need to read a few more dictionaries.
 
2013-04-29 11:11:31 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Typical SK. Call me an idiot for no reason and then leave.


I've seen you two spar before. I'd offer some advice on interacting with one another but since I like both of you, I don't wanna piss anyone off. However, I will give you this universal guidance:

Are you ready?

Get a room. :)
 
2013-04-29 11:13:51 PM

dickfreckle: cameroncrazy1984: Typical SK. Call me an idiot for no reason and then leave.

I've seen you two spar before. I'd offer some advice on interacting with one another but since I like both of you, I don't wanna piss anyone off. However, I will give you this universal guidance:

Are you ready?

Get a room. :)


I will heroically fark him silly
 
2013-04-29 11:21:06 PM

skullkrusher: dickfreckle: cameroncrazy1984: Typical SK. Call me an idiot for no reason and then leave.

I've seen you two spar before. I'd offer some advice on interacting with one another but since I like both of you, I don't wanna piss anyone off. However, I will give you this universal guidance:

Are you ready?

Get a room. :)

I will heroically fark him silly


While I appreciate the sentiment, and am extremely flattered, I just do not swing that way.
 
2013-04-29 11:25:04 PM

TalenLee: Look, Mass Effect was a good game but I wouldn't call making it an act of Heroism.


Did somebody say hero, gay and Normandy?

o hai wats goin on in this thread
img-fotki.yandex.ru
 
2013-04-29 11:29:58 PM

cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: dickfreckle: cameroncrazy1984: Typical SK. Call me an idiot for no reason and then leave.

I've seen you two spar before. I'd offer some advice on interacting with one another but since I like both of you, I don't wanna piss anyone off. However, I will give you this universal guidance:

Are you ready?

Get a room. :)

I will heroically fark him silly

While I appreciate the sentiment, and am extremely flattered, I just do not swing that way.


You know what they call me downstate? The Gaymaker.
 
2013-04-29 11:32:54 PM

skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: dickfreckle: cameroncrazy1984: Typical SK. Call me an idiot for no reason and then leave.

I've seen you two spar before. I'd offer some advice on interacting with one another but since I like both of you, I don't wanna piss anyone off. However, I will give you this universal guidance:

Are you ready?

Get a room. :)

I will heroically fark him silly

While I appreciate the sentiment, and am extremely flattered, I just do not swing that way.

You know what they call me downstate? The Gaymaker.


This is true. He can point to graffiti in at least 17 different rest stop men's rooms in support of this claim.
 
2013-04-29 11:35:59 PM

BMulligan: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: dickfreckle: cameroncrazy1984: Typical SK. Call me an idiot for no reason and then leave.

I've seen you two spar before. I'd offer some advice on interacting with one another but since I like both of you, I don't wanna piss anyone off. However, I will give you this universal guidance:

Are you ready?

Get a room. :)

I will heroically fark him silly

While I appreciate the sentiment, and am extremely flattered, I just do not swing that way.

You know what they call me downstate? The Gaymaker.

This is true. He can point to graffiti in at least 17 different rest stop men's rooms in support of this claim.


though watching 12+ innings of uninspiring baseball doesn't make me feel particularly amorous.
 
2013-04-29 11:44:19 PM
This Shapiro fellow sounds like a piece of excrement. What an awful person who makes this world a worse place because of his existence.
 
2013-04-29 11:44:26 PM

skullkrusher: BMulligan: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: dickfreckle: cameroncrazy1984: Typical SK. Call me an idiot for no reason and then leave.

I've seen you two spar before. I'd offer some advice on interacting with one another but since I like both of you, I don't wanna piss anyone off. However, I will give you this universal guidance:

Are you ready?

Get a room. :)

I will heroically fark him silly

While I appreciate the sentiment, and am extremely flattered, I just do not swing that way.

You know what they call me downstate? The Gaymaker.

This is true. He can point to graffiti in at least 17 different rest stop men's rooms in support of this claim.

though watching 12+ innings of uninspiring baseball doesn't make me feel particularly amorous.


Jesus...and to Miami too?

Yikes...
 
2013-04-29 11:45:20 PM

skullkrusher: You know what they call me downstate? The Gaymaker.


We're not talking about the women you've dated.
 
2013-04-29 11:45:45 PM

Mrtraveler01: skullkrusher: BMulligan: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: dickfreckle: cameroncrazy1984: Typical SK. Call me an idiot for no reason and then leave.

I've seen you two spar before. I'd offer some advice on interacting with one another but since I like both of you, I don't wanna piss anyone off. However, I will give you this universal guidance:

Are you ready?

Get a room. :)

I will heroically fark him silly

While I appreciate the sentiment, and am extremely flattered, I just do not swing that way.

You know what they call me downstate? The Gaymaker.

This is true. He can point to graffiti in at least 17 different rest stop men's rooms in support of this claim.

though watching 12+ innings of uninspiring baseball doesn't make me feel particularly amorous.

Jesus...and to Miami too?

Yikes...


Mets offense has been abysmal of late. Giancarlo Stanton went out with what looked like a fairly significant hamstring injury. That's been the only interesting thing to happen in the past 2 hours or so
 
2013-04-29 11:46:21 PM

The Why Not Guy: skullkrusher: You know what they call me downstate? The Gaymaker.

We're not talking about the women you've dated.


nice.
Though that was my roommate in college. I never turned any women AFAIK.
 
2013-04-29 11:48:00 PM
Meh. Shipiro's a hooknose Jew. Fark those sorry inbreed assholes, and its far past time to cut those assholes off. Let em eat cake I say.
 
2013-04-29 11:52:13 PM

Peki: To anyone who doesnt think this guy is a hero:

He is risking physical harm, being ostracized at his place of employment (if not outright let go), and all of the backlash that comes with being a lightning rod, all so that some kid can look up on TV and tell himself, "I can be gay and still play pro ball."

If that's not your def of a hero, then you need to read a few more dictionaries.


Doesn't every gay person who comes out face all those things?
 
2013-04-29 11:53:05 PM

Peki: To anyone who doesnt think this guy is a hero:

He is risking physical harm, being ostracized at his place of employment (if not outright let go), and all of the backlash that comes with being a lightning rod, all so that some kid can look up on TV and tell himself, "I can be gay and still play pro ball."

If that's not your def of a hero, then you need to read a few more dictionaries.


That's the point this pundit misses. No, loving the cock does not make you a hero. But given that pro sports in America is among the great bastions refusing to accept homosexuality as just another part of normal life, it at least makes you ballsy. The fact that it can inspire other athletes to not live openly is the best part.

I've seen some stupid comments on the internet (you don't say?) calling him a twink and all. But for the most part the sports fans in this country don't really care unless it's a huge distraction. That's a valid point, but pro players regularly cause distractions for non-penis reasons. Look at Tiki Barber's childish bullsh*t. Thing is, we're talking about an athlete who wants to be out and live his life openly and honestly. That's a lot different than just whining to the press about your career. In that case, you just keep you dick holster shut and wait until decisions are made before flapping your vagina all over ESPN.
 
2013-04-29 11:54:54 PM

The Why Not Guy: skullkrusher: You know what they call me downstate? The Gaymaker.

We're not talking about the women you've dated.


OK that...that was good. Have you considered starting an "Oh Snap" correspondence class? I would sign up.
 
2013-04-29 11:56:06 PM

dickfreckle: The Why Not Guy: skullkrusher: You know what they call me downstate? The Gaymaker.

We're not talking about the women you've dated.

OK that...that was good. Have you considered starting an "Oh Snap" correspondence class? I would sign up.


twas, twas
 
2013-04-29 11:57:12 PM

dickfreckle: The fact that it can inspire other athletes to not live openly is the best part.


Sigh, I'm not even drunk and I'm making more brain farts than when I blow a 3.2. Perhaps that's the problem.

/there's some vodak here somewhere
 
2013-04-30 12:00:45 AM

skullkrusher: BMulligan: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: dickfreckle: cameroncrazy1984: Typical SK. Call me an idiot for no reason and then leave.

I've seen you two spar before. I'd offer some advice on interacting with one another but since I like both of you, I don't wanna piss anyone off. However, I will give you this universal guidance:

Are you ready?

Get a room. :)

I will heroically fark him silly

While I appreciate the sentiment, and am extremely flattered, I just do not swing that way.

You know what they call me downstate? The Gaymaker.

This is true. He can point to graffiti in at least 17 different rest stop men's rooms in support of this claim.

though watching 12+ innings of uninspiring baseball doesn't make me feel particularly amorous.


There's a reason I have a shirt that says "This Team Makes Me Drink"

Went to Citi on Saturday and the only enjoyable thing were the craft beers behind our section. And the weather.
 
2013-04-30 12:01:27 AM

cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: BMulligan: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: dickfreckle: cameroncrazy1984: Typical SK. Call me an idiot for no reason and then leave.

I've seen you two spar before. I'd offer some advice on interacting with one another but since I like both of you, I don't wanna piss anyone off. However, I will give you this universal guidance:

Are you ready?

Get a room. :)

I will heroically fark him silly

While I appreciate the sentiment, and am extremely flattered, I just do not swing that way.

You know what they call me downstate? The Gaymaker.

This is true. He can point to graffiti in at least 17 different rest stop men's rooms in support of this claim.

though watching 12+ innings of uninspiring baseball doesn't make me feel particularly amorous.

There's a reason I have a shirt that says "This Team Makes Me Drink"

Went to Citi on Saturday and the only enjoyable thing were the craft beers behind our section. And the weather.


the food offerings at Citi are pretty kickass. The baseball offerings, not so much
 
2013-04-30 12:02:07 AM

js34603: Peki: To anyone who doesnt think this guy is a hero:

He is risking physical harm, being ostracized at his place of employment (if not outright let go), and all of the backlash that comes with being a lightning rod, all so that some kid can look up on TV and tell himself, "I can be gay and still play pro ball."

If that's not your def of a hero, then you need to read a few more dictionaries.

Doesn't every gay person who comes out face all those things?


Meh, when I came out I wasn't making myself a lightning rod. Nobody much cares if you're a gay lawyer.
 
2013-04-30 12:03:11 AM

skullkrusher: the food offerings at Citi are pretty kickass. The baseball offerings, not so much


Definitely not lately. And yeah, even though all I had was a double cheeseburger, at least it was a really tasty double.
 
2013-04-30 12:04:27 AM

skullkrusher: Mrtraveler01: skullkrusher: BMulligan: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: dickfreckle: cameroncrazy1984: Typical SK. Call me an idiot for no reason and then leave.

I've seen you two spar before. I'd offer some advice on interacting with one another but since I like both of you, I don't wanna piss anyone off. However, I will give you this universal guidance:

Are you ready?

Get a room. :)

I will heroically fark him silly

While I appreciate the sentiment, and am extremely flattered, I just do not swing that way.

You know what they call me downstate? The Gaymaker.

This is true. He can point to graffiti in at least 17 different rest stop men's rooms in support of this claim.

though watching 12+ innings of uninspiring baseball doesn't make me feel particularly amorous.

Jesus...and to Miami too?

Yikes...

Mets offense has been abysmal of late. Giancarlo Stanton went out with what looked like a fairly significant hamstring injury. That's been the only interesting thing to happen in the past 2 hours or so


Cards are on the opposite end of the spectrum...it's our relievers that absolutely suck.

It's only a little under a month into the season and they blew 5 games already.
 
2013-04-30 12:05:11 AM

cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: the food offerings at Citi are pretty kickass. The baseball offerings, not so much

Definitely not lately. And yeah, even though all I had was a double cheeseburger, at least it was a really tasty double.


This game is never gonna farking end. Marcum coming out to pitch in relief. Glad I got laid off on Friday so I can stay up and watch this shiatshow.
 
2013-04-30 12:08:24 AM

skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: the food offerings at Citi are pretty kickass. The baseball offerings, not so much

Definitely not lately. And yeah, even though all I had was a double cheeseburger, at least it was a really tasty double.

This game is never gonna farking end. Marcum coming out to pitch in relief. Glad I got laid off on Friday so I can stay up and watch this shiatshow.


Oh yeah, this is a great way to end my vacation. Watching fifteen innings of medicore-to-bad baseball. This is worse than that time the Bills got beat by the Browns by a score of 6-3.
 
2013-04-30 12:09:24 AM
22 combined hits, 4 combined runs. Good god.
 
2013-04-30 12:10:20 AM

cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: the food offerings at Citi are pretty kickass. The baseball offerings, not so much

Definitely not lately. And yeah, even though all I had was a double cheeseburger, at least it was a really tasty double.

This game is never gonna farking end. Marcum coming out to pitch in relief. Glad I got laid off on Friday so I can stay up and watch this shiatshow.

Oh yeah, this is a great way to end my vacation. Watching fifteen innings of medicore-to-bad baseball. This is worse than that time the Bills got beat by the Browns by a score of 6-3.


what about the time they got beaten by the Giants 20-19?

/muhuhuhahahahaha!
 
2013-04-30 12:11:41 AM

skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: the food offerings at Citi are pretty kickass. The baseball offerings, not so much

Definitely not lately. And yeah, even though all I had was a double cheeseburger, at least it was a really tasty double.

This game is never gonna farking end. Marcum coming out to pitch in relief. Glad I got laid off on Friday so I can stay up and watch this shiatshow.

Oh yeah, this is a great way to end my vacation. Watching fifteen innings of medicore-to-bad baseball. This is worse than that time the Bills got beat by the Browns by a score of 6-3.

what about the time they got beaten by the Giants 20-19?

/muhuhuhahahahaha!


At least that was a worthwhile game to watch! This game is completely unredeemable.
 
2013-04-30 12:13:36 AM

rynthetyn: js34603: Peki: To anyone who doesnt think this guy is a hero:

He is risking physical harm, being ostracized at his place of employment (if not outright let go), and all of the backlash that comes with being a lightning rod, all so that some kid can look up on TV and tell himself, "I can be gay and still play pro ball."

If that's not your def of a hero, then you need to read a few more dictionaries.

Doesn't every gay person who comes out face all those things?

Meh, when I came out I wasn't making myself a lightning rod. Nobody much cares if you're a gay lawyer.



As stated, the answer is "sometimes." I didn't have a problem coming out at all when I was 17. Fast forward 10 years, and NOW my family has a problem with it (to the point where I've been disowned and will be excommunicated by their church after my grandparents pass). Even my church has been difficult at times, and I'm supposedly in one of if not the most gay-friendly religions in the US, but the fiancé and I have managed those hurdles well enough.
 
2013-04-30 12:18:44 AM
Breitbart? hmmm...  F3 "an hero"

really? nobody?
 
2013-04-30 12:25:44 AM

Peki: rynthetyn: js34603: Peki: To anyone who doesnt think this guy is a hero:

He is risking physical harm, being ostracized at his place of employment (if not outright let go), and all of the backlash that comes with being a lightning rod, all so that some kid can look up on TV and tell himself, "I can be gay and still play pro ball."

If that's not your def of a hero, then you need to read a few more dictionaries.

Doesn't every gay person who comes out face all those things?

Meh, when I came out I wasn't making myself a lightning rod. Nobody much cares if you're a gay lawyer.


As stated, the answer is "sometimes." I didn't have a problem coming out at all when I was 17. Fast forward 10 years, and NOW my family has a problem with it (to the point where I've been disowned and will be excommunicated by their church after my grandparents pass). Even my church has been difficult at times, and I'm supposedly in one of if not the most gay-friendly religions in the US, but the fiancé and I have managed those hurdles well enough.


Yeah, true. That sucks about your family.
 
2013-04-30 12:32:18 AM

rynthetyn: Peki: rynthetyn: js34603: Peki: To anyone who doesnt think this guy is a hero:

He is risking physical harm, being ostracized at his place of employment (if not outright let go), and all of the backlash that comes with being a lightning rod, all so that some kid can look up on TV and tell himself, "I can be gay and still play pro ball."

If that's not your def of a hero, then you need to read a few more dictionaries.

Doesn't every gay person who comes out face all those things?

Meh, when I came out I wasn't making myself a lightning rod. Nobody much cares if you're a gay lawyer.


As stated, the answer is "sometimes." I didn't have a problem coming out at all when I was 17. Fast forward 10 years, and NOW my family has a problem with it (to the point where I've been disowned and will be excommunicated by their church after my grandparents pass). Even my church has been difficult at times, and I'm supposedly in one of if not the most gay-friendly religions in the US, but the fiancé and I have managed those hurdles well enough.

Yeah, true. That sucks about your family.



No worries. I had the good fortune of seeing it coming (grandmother developed Alzheimer's, grandad is an old dude wanting to get into heaven), so I have at least five years of good memories to counterbalance the derpfest.

The church thing was actually far more disappointing.
 
2013-04-30 12:39:17 AM
king of vegas: This Shapiro fellow sounds like a piece of excrement Neo-Conservative. What an awful person who makes this world a worse place because of his existence.

FIFY. ( Although, they are almost always the same thing)
 
2013-04-30 12:53:49 AM

Inchoate: TalenLee: Look, Mass Effect was a good game but I wouldn't call making it an act of Heroism.

Did somebody say hero, gay and Normandy?

o hai wats goin on in this thread
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He's not NEARLY the gayest thing to be on the Normandy.
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2013-04-30 12:59:06 AM

Peki: rynthetyn: Peki: rynthetyn: js34603: Peki: To anyone who doesnt think this guy is a hero:

He is risking physical harm, being ostracized at his place of employment (if not outright let go), and all of the backlash that comes with being a lightning rod, all so that some kid can look up on TV and tell himself, "I can be gay and still play pro ball."

If that's not your def of a hero, then you need to read a few more dictionaries.

Doesn't every gay person who comes out face all those things?

Meh, when I came out I wasn't making myself a lightning rod. Nobody much cares if you're a gay lawyer.


As stated, the answer is "sometimes." I didn't have a problem coming out at all when I was 17. Fast forward 10 years, and NOW my family has a problem with it (to the point where I've been disowned and will be excommunicated by their church after my grandparents pass). Even my church has been difficult at times, and I'm supposedly in one of if not the most gay-friendly religions in the US, but the fiancé and I have managed those hurdles well enough.

Yeah, true. That sucks about your family.


No worries. I had the good fortune of seeing it coming (grandmother developed Alzheimer's, grandad is an old dude wanting to get into heaven), so I have at least five years of good memories to counterbalance the derpfest.

The church thing was actually far more disappointing.


I never had to worry about the church thing because the church I grew up in folded before I came out.
 
2013-04-30 01:04:49 AM
Ben Shapiro is a true American hero for taking this stand. Now all he needs to do is go up to Collins (7'0" , 270lbs) and say it right to his sissy-mary face.
 
2013-04-30 01:18:29 AM

skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: yes, I believe it should be reserved for people who put themselves at risk to help others

Why do you believe this, despite popular usage and the dictionary definition of the word being different?

skullkrusher: Everyone is a hero these days

See and here's the part where I asked you if you could point to this usage being different somewhere in the past and you either weren't able to or skipped it. See? Here's your chance to prove your opinion to be the correct one. At what time in the past was "hero" reserved for only those people who put themselves at risk to help others? If you can prove that it was, then your opinion is sound.

ok, Cam.
You've succeeded in wearing me down with your tedious "I'm an idiot" act. You win. You've convinced me. You're indeed an idiot.


Were you guys busy yesterday? Usually you do this old-gay-couple-biatching on Sunday nights. Was something happening on TV last night that I missed?
 
2013-04-30 01:18:40 AM
skullkrusher:

the food offerings at Citi are pretty kickass. The baseball offerings, not so much

My wife is taking me to Citi as my first Father's Day present when the Braves come to town. As long as they play better than they did in Pittsburgh and Detroit, I'm sure I'll enjoy both :)
 
2013-04-30 01:28:09 AM

Karac: If Mark Levin, Adam Carolla, and Ted Cruz are heros ... then this world needs a damn sight many more cowards.


Anyone who looks up to Adam Carolla needs to be made to eat their own brain.
 
2013-04-30 01:38:09 AM

Sgt Otter: .

/Also Zapp Rosdower's catamite.


the part of Zapp Rosdower being played by Andrew Breitbart
 
2013-04-30 01:41:51 AM
Shapiro is a dick. Also, I think he has sharp knees.
 
2013-04-30 01:46:49 AM

rynthetyn: I never had to worry about the church thing because the church I grew up in folded before I came out.


Lucky you. Family is Mormon; I seriously don't think they'll run out of money anytime soon, nor do I suspect a change of heart or the President suddenly having a "revelation" (I'll keep an open mind; could get interesting if it happens before the grand'rents die / I'm excommunicated).
My church is a UU congregation. They like to say they are all tolerant and loving and welcoming, but, like all people, they find it difficult to put words into action.

/will give the congregation credit though; once things get explained, they try very hard to be understanding.
//textbook definition of "bless their heart" though
 
2013-04-30 01:51:40 AM

Gyrfalcon: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: yes, I believe it should be reserved for people who put themselves at risk to help others

Why do you believe this, despite popular usage and the dictionary definition of the word being different?

skullkrusher: Everyone is a hero these days

See and here's the part where I asked you if you could point to this usage being different somewhere in the past and you either weren't able to or skipped it. See? Here's your chance to prove your opinion to be the correct one. At what time in the past was "hero" reserved for only those people who put themselves at risk to help others? If you can prove that it was, then your opinion is sound.

ok, Cam.
You've succeeded in wearing me down with your tedious "I'm an idiot" act. You win. You've convinced me. You're indeed an idiot.

Were you guys busy yesterday? Usually you do this old-gay-couple-biatching on Sunday nights. Was something happening on TV last night that I missed?


I was in the city on vacation. The show will return next week at the same time.
 
2013-04-30 01:55:35 AM

Peki: rynthetyn: I never had to worry about the church thing because the church I grew up in folded before I came out.

Lucky you. Family is Mormon; I seriously don't think they'll run out of money anytime soon, nor do I suspect a change of heart or the President suddenly having a "revelation" (I'll keep an open mind; could get interesting if it happens before the grand'rents die / I'm excommunicated).
My church is a UU congregation. They like to say they are all tolerant and loving and welcoming, but, like all people, they find it difficult to put words into action.

/will give the congregation credit though; once things get explained, they try very hard to be understanding.
//textbook definition of "bless their heart" though


Fellow exmo here. In my experience a lot of them want to do the "right thing," but need the church to define for them what that is. It's quite sad to see

/dad was a bishop twice
//went to Brazil as a missionary
///leaving wasn't fun or easy
 
2013-04-30 02:06:03 AM

LectertheChef: Karac: If Mark Levin, Adam Carolla, and Ted Cruz are heros ... then this world needs a damn sight many more cowards.

Anyone who looks up to Adam Carolla needs to be made to eat their own brain.


That was peculiarly...apt.
 
2013-04-30 02:25:44 AM

DeArmondVI: Fellow exmo here. In my experience a lot of them want to do the "right thing," but need the church to define for them what that is. It's quite sad to see

/dad was a bishop twice
//went to Brazil as a missionary
///leaving wasn't fun or easy


Hehe. Yeah, that was a convo between my grandfather (high priest in the temple) and my mother (atheist like me).

Grandpa: I wish I had raised you guys to be better Mormons.
Mom: You did better than that. You raised us to be good humans.
Grandpa: I wish I had raised you guys to be better Mormons.

*sigh*
 
2013-04-30 02:41:38 AM

Peki: rynthetyn: I never had to worry about the church thing because the church I grew up in folded before I came out.

Lucky you. Family is Mormon; I seriously don't think they'll run out of money anytime soon, nor do I suspect a change of heart or the President suddenly having a "revelation" (I'll keep an open mind; could get interesting if it happens before the grand'rents die / I'm excommunicated).
My church is a UU congregation. They like to say they are all tolerant and loving and welcoming, but, like all people, they find it difficult to put words into action.

/will give the congregation credit though; once things get explained, they try very hard to be understanding.
//textbook definition of "bless their heart" though


Well, it wouldn't be the first time the Mormon church changed course abruptly because of politically useful revelations, so here's hoping you'll be lucky.

Being Presbyterian, each church is supposed to listen to the presbytery, and in turn to General Assembly, but we're all locally funded. My church found itself marketing to a niche that didn't actually exist, and there's no money in that. The ultra-traditionalists had gotten pissed and left over things like the pastor having the youth sunday school class bring in songs they liked to discuss, since one of the songs had an uncensored f-bomb (also, my brother suggesting that the youth group watch The Matrix didn't help matters, even though he bleeped the swearing), but it was still too traditional for everybody else. My version of Presbyterian is weird though, because it goes from the super ultra dominionist types to churches like the one that hired a friend of mine as worship leader knowing full well that he's gay.

I know people probably pity my parents for having such a wayward daughter, though. Also, I'm fairly certain that in homeschooling circles people are probably whispering about what went wrong, though that's another story.
 
2013-04-30 03:51:37 AM
He has a second rate intellect and is a second rate human being.
 
2013-04-30 04:06:33 AM

LectertheChef: Karac: If Mark Levin, Adam Carolla, and Ted Cruz are heros ... then this world needs a damn sight many more cowards.

Anyone who looks up to Adam Carolla needs to be made to eat their own brain.


You're a cruel son of a b*tch.
Why would you starve those poor bastards?
 
2013-04-30 06:08:51 AM
Ben Who?

*clicks link*

Well, it's nice to see Mr Bean's barber found work after that show ended.

/Appropriate initials are appropriate.
 
2013-04-30 07:10:57 AM
Heh... Why exactly should I give a shiat who Ben Shapiro, whoever the fark that is, thinks is worthy of the status of hero?
 
2013-04-30 07:12:07 AM

keylock71: Heh... Why exactly should I give a shiat who Ben Shapiro, whoever the fark that is, thinks is worthy of the status of hero?


Supposedly he's editor-at-large at DeadLiar.com.
 
2013-04-30 07:15:34 AM

Alphax: keylock71: Heh... Why exactly should I give a shiat who Ben Shapiro, whoever the fark that is, thinks is worthy of the status of hero?

Supposedly he's editor-at-large at DeadLiar.com.


Oh, I heard his blog sucks...
 
2013-04-30 07:23:46 AM
I submitted this with a better headline.
 
2013-04-30 07:41:32 AM

jaytkay: They have no credibility among normal people.

And yet they have an audience.


Nothing they spew is any more outrageous than what their audience hears every Sunday. Why should we expect their critical thinking skills to suddenly turn on for the rest of the week?
 
2013-04-30 10:23:20 AM

willicus: skullkrusher:

the food offerings at Citi are pretty kickass. The baseball offerings, not so much

My wife is taking me to Citi as my first Father's Day present when the Braves come to town. As long as they play better than they did in Pittsburgh and Detroit, I'm sure I'll enjoy both :)


Braves fans... ;)
 
2013-04-30 11:02:25 AM

skullkrusher: willicus: skullkrusher:

the food offerings at Citi are pretty kickass. The baseball offerings, not so much

My wife is taking me to Citi as my first Father's Day present when the Braves come to town. As long as they play better than they did in Pittsburgh and Detroit, I'm sure I'll enjoy both :)

Braves fans... ;)


I love going to Citi when the Braves are in town. The Mets usually stink, the food's great, and there's nothing there to remind me I'm at the Mets' ballpark.
 
2013-04-30 11:52:33 AM
This guy is a jackass.  It kinda makes me mad that he does have a point that his fairly lackluster stats ARE more important than him being gay.  The guy coming out as gay is going to be more important than the guy being a basketball player for about a month, and then he goes back to being a basketball player, and not even that great a basketball player.  I mean, it's nice to have that barrier broken, but it's not like the guy was high profile.  This is much less of a thing than Magic Johnson coming out as having AIDS.
 
2013-04-30 12:18:23 PM

LectertheChef: Karac: If Mark Levin, Adam Carolla, and Ted Cruz are heros ... then this world needs a damn sight many more cowards.

Anyone who looks up to Adam Carolla needs to be made to eat their own brain.


Something something go hungry
 
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