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(The Atlantic)   No, 28,000 rivers in China did not simply vanish. It's due to statistical discrepancies and climate change. Yeah, climate change - that's the ticket   (theatlantic.com) divider line 41
    More: Obvious, rivers in China, climate change, South China Morning Post, Sina Weibo, Pacific Institute, topographic map, Deputy Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Qingdao  
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2013-04-29 06:42:38 PM  
Well, they can't blame any of those old 5 year plans, can they?
 
2013-04-29 06:43:28 PM  
Kind of like how there's no dicks left for the other hookers to suck in the trailer park because subby's mom sucked them all.
 
2013-04-29 06:44:19 PM  
I broke the dam.
 
2013-04-29 06:46:32 PM  
I blame
www.stema-systems.nl
 
2013-04-29 06:46:57 PM  
I think they still open two coal-fired power plants every month. I'm willing to bet a lot of that missing water is being used in those.
 
2013-04-29 06:48:02 PM  
"As China's population and economy have rapidly grown, the country has experienced serious degradation of its water resources, including massive overuse and contamination," Gleick said. "The 'disappearance' of major rivers and streams is far more likely to be directly connected to uncontrolled and unsustainable extraction of water for industry and agriculture, though climate change may play a greater role in the future."

That's pretty much all that needs to be said about the article.

So. Shall we wharrgarble about climate change instead? Anyone want to pretend that just because climates slowly change naturally we should pretend that there is no cause for concern over the rapid global climate changes we have seen since widespread industrialization?
 
2013-04-29 06:51:15 PM  
Wait, where does the water go? Isn't the world mostly water? What about Uranus?
 
2013-04-29 06:54:36 PM  

amquelbettamin: Wait, where does the water go? Isn't the world mostly water? What about Uranus?


Mostly gas.
 
2013-04-29 06:54:47 PM  
There are as many as 48,000 dams over 15m high worldwide. About half of these are in China.
 
2013-04-29 06:57:26 PM  

Krieghund: "As China's population and economy have rapidly grown, the country has experienced serious degradation of its water resources, including massive overuse and contamination," Gleick said. "The 'disappearance' of major rivers and streams is far more likely to be directly connected to uncontrolled and unsustainable extraction of water for industry and agriculture, though climate change may play a greater role in the future."

That's pretty much all that needs to be said about the article.

So. Shall we wharrgarble about climate change instead? Anyone want to pretend that just because climates slowly change naturally we should pretend that there is no cause for concern over the rapid global climate changes we have seen since widespread industrialization?


Climate doesn't always "slowly change naturally," historically climate change can happen very rapidly, but we can pretend that nature always has a slow change if it would help you make a point.
 
2013-04-29 07:07:05 PM  

pedobearapproved: Climate doesn't always "slowly change naturally," historically climate change can happen very rapidly, but we can pretend that nature always has a slow change if it would help you make a point.


While technically true, you're sort of ignoring the ethos component of rhetoric here.  Past "science" coming out of China sort of tells us that if a Chinese study tells us the rivers fell victim to climate change, then in actuality the government simply used all the water upstream of a bunch of settlements in useless industrial projects and gave someone with a worthless Chinese PhD a half-pound of rice to one-off some quick lie about it being not a problem and also solely the fault of other countries.

It's kind of how China works.
 
2013-04-29 07:10:17 PM  
Yes, but what about the onions??? What about the onions????
 
2013-04-29 07:10:49 PM  

Jim_Callahan: pedobearapproved: Climate doesn't always "slowly change naturally," historically climate change can happen very rapidly, but we can pretend that nature always has a slow change if it would help you make a point.

While technically true, you're sort of ignoring the ethos component of rhetoric here.  Past "science" coming out of China sort of tells us that if a Chinese study tells us the rivers fell victim to climate change, then in actuality the government simply used all the water upstream of a bunch of settlements in useless industrial projects and gave someone with a worthless Chinese PhD a half-pound of rice to one-off some quick lie about it being not a problem and also solely the fault of other countries.

It's kind of how China works.


Came in prepared to write a short novel.  Found this post.

Leaving with a mix of relief and angst and satisfaction.
 
2013-04-29 07:12:18 PM  
Increased global temperatures will create more rain and moisture, not less.
 
2013-04-29 07:16:13 PM  
The real news is that The Atlantic is actually questioning whether climate change is to blame.

/seems they're starting to realize that crying wolf for over a decade might be having consequences
//wonder if they'll wise up in time
 
2013-04-29 07:18:23 PM  

Tatterdemalian: //wonder if they'll wise up in time


In time for what?
 
2013-04-29 07:22:43 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Tatterdemalian: //wonder if they'll wise up in time

In time for what?


In time to stop the next Dark Age.

/those who would stop it, can't
//those who could stop it, would rather blame someone else for it
 
2013-04-29 07:23:55 PM  

Jim_Callahan: It's kind of how China works.


It's how the USA treated the Colorado River for a century, too.

MEXICO: Hey USA, we have an agreement for 25% of the water from the Colorado River, what gives?

USA: Shaddap...we're pumping 25% of the recycled sewer water from all the cities along it for you to use.

MEXICO: But, but...you promised we'd get our share of the water, yet now the river dries up 60 miles short of Sea of Cortez.

USA: Shaddap! All you'd use it for is growing food. We use it for important shiat like growing hay for pet horses in Colorado.

/not meant as a factual statement
// USA and Mexico just signed a new Colorado River agreement
/// viva el rio!
 
2013-04-29 07:26:44 PM  

Alonjar: Increased global temperatures will create more rain and moisture, not less.


...because even today, we have uniform climate around the globe?
 
2013-04-29 07:30:32 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Tatterdemalian: //wonder if they'll wise up in time

In time for what?


A climatological event that will make the Dust Bowl look like a spot of dry weather.
 
2013-04-29 07:34:11 PM  
A river full of dead animals?  Chinese Noah didn't get it right.
 
2013-04-29 07:39:18 PM  

pedobearapproved: Krieghund: "As China's population and economy have rapidly grown, the country has experienced serious degradation of its water resources, including massive overuse and contamination," Gleick said. "The 'disappearance' of major rivers and streams is far more likely to be directly connected to uncontrolled and unsustainable extraction of water for industry and agriculture, though climate change may play a greater role in the future."

That's pretty much all that needs to be said about the article.

So. Shall we wharrgarble about climate change instead? Anyone want to pretend that just because climates slowly change naturally we should pretend that there is no cause for concern over the rapid global climate changes we have seen since widespread industrialization?

Climate doesn't always "slowly change naturally," historically climate change can happen very rapidly, but we can pretend that nature always has a slow change if it would help you make a point.


Hey I saw that movie.  A helicopter froze solid while in flight, it was awesome.
 
2013-04-29 07:42:14 PM  
Is it any better if they're still there but unable to support life?
 
2013-04-29 07:45:12 PM  

scalpod: Is it any better if they're still there but unable to support life?


America's were better, because ours caught fire!
 
2013-04-29 08:34:40 PM  

Alonjar: Increased global temperatures will create more rain and moisture, not less.


Because evaporation's not a thing, right? That's why deserts are so wet.
 
2013-04-29 08:49:49 PM  
I, too, am curious where these waters of mass hydration have gone.
 
2013-04-29 08:56:59 PM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Kind of like how there's no dicks left for the other hookers to suck in the trailer park because subby's mom sucked them all.


It's ok. They're rechargeable. Subby's mom will be back in about 1/2 an hour.
 
2013-04-29 09:00:26 PM  
Came for the AGW/DBD derp war ... kinda disappointed

/Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW)
//Drill Baby Drill (DBD)
///Science!
 
2013-04-29 09:05:19 PM  
The sooner China implodes into a file of flaming rubble, the better.  It's going to happen, just a question of when.
 
2013-04-29 09:09:24 PM  
28 thousand rivers?

Like actual rivers? I'm skeptical. More than likely allot of those water bodies were ephemeral or intermittent in nature.

An ephemeral creek is not a river.
 
2013-04-29 09:13:00 PM  

MemeSlave: The sooner China implodes into a file of flaming rubble, the better.  It's going to happen, just a question of when.


A file? Cabinet or drawer?
 
2013-04-29 09:30:42 PM  

meat0918: cameroncrazy1984: Tatterdemalian: //wonder if they'll wise up in time

In time for what?

A climatological event that will make the Dust Bowl look like a spot of dry weather.


It's cool. We've had a drought worse than the 30s. We just drilled into the ground for water. Endless, endless groundwater that never dries up.
 
2013-04-29 09:47:35 PM  
I take it when Wang recently went over the satellite photos from 30 years ago all those Little Yellow rivers were anything but.
 
2013-04-29 10:41:56 PM  
That's just a dam shame.
 
2013-04-30 12:10:52 AM  
Climate change is an easy and popular scapegoat and allows the government to save face by pinning the disappearance on natural causes rather than anthropogenic (and arguably preventable) ones.

Well who would have thought it?
 
2013-04-30 12:31:23 AM  
Of course it's climate change. All of the world's problems are because of it, even prostitution
 
2013-04-30 01:01:35 AM  

politech: Came for the AGW/DBD derp war ... kinda disappointed

/Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW)
//Drill Baby Drill (DBD)
///Science!


DVDA Palin available for comment.
 
2013-04-30 01:12:12 AM  

Krieghund: Shall we wharrgarble about climate change instead?


Yes. Because climate change is politically useful.
That is why everything is the fault of climate change.
That's why government funds climate change research.
Those other factors aren't politically useful. They embarrass the state.
You don't want to embarrass the state do you?
Good.
Now let's talk climate change and not those government connected people who are taking all that water out upstream.
 
2013-04-30 09:06:26 AM  

Alonjar: Increased global temperatures will create more rain and moisture, not less.


Actually it depends where you are. Some areas will get wetter, some drier.

but only until jesus comes back riding a dinosaur.
 
2013-04-30 12:57:20 PM  
I thought we had all decided to just ignore this whole climate change thing and simply adapt.
 
2013-04-30 04:41:06 PM  

doubled99: I thought we had all decided to just ignore this whole climate change thing and simply adapt adopt.


All the gay couples are doing that now.  I see lots of Chinese babies in strollers being pushed along by Chad and Joshua.
 
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