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(Guardian)   So, apparently, the FBI ignored multiple requests from Boston bomber Tsarnaev for a lawyer during his interrogation   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 322
    More: Asinine, FBI, interrogations, Mirandize, multiples, citizen's arrests, fundamental rights  
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2013-04-30 12:15:46 PM  

debug: Not surprising, we've been holding people in Cuba for over a decade without trial.  We're not the wonderful idealistic people you all think we are.


Oh come on now everyone knows that Obama fixed all that. Hope and change you know...

/keep telling yourselves there's a difference between republicans & democrats
 
2013-04-30 12:20:24 PM  

BullBearMS: [dl.dropboxusercontent.com image 624x265]


Yes :(
 
2013-04-30 12:32:09 PM  

skiinstructor: You become a citizen. you take MY money in the form of welfare. you bomb a marathon, shoot it out with the
cops,  You, arsehole, forfeit your citizenship, and your rights as a citizen. do NOT pass go, do NOT collect 200
dollars, and NO window seat on your bus ride to hell. I think the prohibition on cruel and unusual punishment
as well as public humiliation needs an exception for arseholes like this.  C'mon over- bring yo mama along.


You miss the point.
 
2013-04-30 12:41:15 PM  

ciberido: ManateeGag: Why does it seem that people are rooting for the criminal that blew up and 8-year-old?

It seems that way to you because you're incapable of understanding why anyone would disagree with you about anything, therefore you're left assuming that anyone who doesn't agree with you is either stupid or evil.  That's why.


To be fair, there are people who are rooting for the guy who killed the 8 year old.
 
2013-04-30 12:41:50 PM  

Tatsuma: If you ask questions to someone before giving them their miranda rights and without having them charged, they do not need to be provided a lawyer. Nothing they said will be used in court, so they don't need a lawyer in the first place.


Incorrect in every particular, Counselor.  Not a single assertion is correct.

Stunning, even for you.
 
2013-04-30 12:43:19 PM  

Tatsuma: He's already been given two public defenders, he doesn't get to choose his own lawyer.


Also incorrect, but only in the conclusion.  He can choose his own lawyer at any time.
 
2013-04-30 12:43:24 PM  

legalgus: They should've flown his ass to Gitmo for some enhanced interrogation. He is a terrorist and enemy combatant. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a snivelling little Assclown.


Oh god...the Derp...it hurts...

So you're cool with the government disappearing / torturing an american citizen with no due process? You're cool with just taking their word on it? Can't see any possible downsides or ways this might be abused in the future?

Some might say anyone who is willing to abandon our constitutional rights to be saved from the 'terrorists' is a sniveling little coward.
 
2013-04-30 12:47:05 PM  

Ambivalence: I am not entirely certain how to feel about this. On one hand there could have been other bombers planning other strikes and the FBI needed to know if more imminent dangers were present.   On the other hand, it's highly unlikely which is why prosecutors will be able to use any statements before mirandizing against him in a court of law,


Fixed, for you.
 
2013-04-30 12:51:28 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Too bad all it means is that anything he said between his arrest and the reading of his Miranda rights can be excluded.


Other than the fact that it can be included, you're spot on here.

Aside from the many inaccurate assertions of what Miranda means, has none of the GED lawyers in the room ever heard of the concept of the admissibility of "statements against interest"?

Sheesh.
 
2013-04-30 01:00:23 PM  

El_Perro: But, if they interrogate a suspect who is in custody, that suspect has the right to counsel.


A right that must be affirmatively asserted.  If a suspect in custody sings without benefit of having asked for counsel pre- (or post-) being Mirandized, that's all admissible, for any purpose.
 
2013-04-30 01:07:56 PM  

Theaetetus: The same 1-4 apply to the Underwear bomber, Abdulmutallab (who actually  was working with others). But he was only questioned for 50 minutes under the public safety exception.


A good point, but one that is mitigated, I think by the different scenarios: Captain Underpants intended to be a suicide, pretty good odds that his attempt was a one-off.  The Tsarnaevs had already exploded 1 + x bombs, and x was still a variable (and the fact that they were carrying multiple bombs with them in the initial chase leads to an inescapable conclusion that more bombs were possible).  I think a more extended period, especially since the suspect could not speak, will be viewed as justifiable by the courts (and there will be more than one).
 
2013-04-30 01:19:25 PM  

Gunslinger013: Yeah! Civil rights violations are OK as long as our guy is doing it.


I'm sure you complained bitterly about the Patriot Act, too.
 
2013-04-30 01:34:04 PM  

Herr Docktor Heinrich Wisenheimer: Gunslinger013: Yeah! Civil rights violations are OK as long as our guy is doing it.

I'm sure you complained bitterly about the Patriot Act, too.


I absolutely did. I'll never forgive Bush for it. I can't decide what's worse - Bush enacting it or Obama picking it up and running with it.
 
2013-04-30 02:09:51 PM  
Anybody remember this guy, before he turned into Bush 2.0?

We must fight Terrorism only "with an abiding confidence in the rule of law and due process, in checks and balances and accountability." Thus, he thunderously vowed, "We must never - ever - turn our back on its enduring principles for expedience sake."

While you listen to the Democratic party shills make excuses for Obama taking the Bush civil liberties violations and pushing them even farther...

While the right wing crazies claim we haven't pushed them far enough...

Remind yourself of what Obama was saying back when we as a nation voted him into office. The rule of law is what we voted for, but it's damn sure not what we're getting.
 
2013-04-30 02:25:51 PM  

Gunslinger013: I absolutely did. I'll never forgive Bush for it. I can't decide what's worse - Bush enacting it or Obama picking it up and running with it.


Geez. How am I supposed to troll you if you won't co-operate?
 
2013-04-30 02:34:47 PM  

Herr Docktor Heinrich Wisenheimer: Gunslinger013: I absolutely did. I'll never forgive Bush for it. I can't decide what's worse - Bush enacting it or Obama picking it up and running with it.

Geez. How am I supposed to troll you if you won't co-operate?


Haha, my bad, man :)
 
2013-04-30 03:50:33 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: ciberido: Because People in power are Stupid: It would be awesome if this guy was released on a technicality because there is nowhere on this planet that he could go and be safe.

Nowhere on this planet?  You don't think there's anywhere on this planet where a guy who blew up some American civilians wouldn't be treated well?

You constantly want a dialogue with me. Great!


Well, in most threads I disagree with most of what you say, but you seem to have valid points to make here and there, and even when I disagree with you, which is often, there's generally some sort of logic connecting most of your points, so, yeah.  You're sort of in the "honored enemy" category.

As far as how he'd get there, I don't know, private plane taking off from a private airport, maybe?  I really don't know how feasible that is.  How hard would it be to smuggle a wanted felon out of the USA and to, say, Jamaica or Côte d'Ivoire if you were a really rich guy who owned his own private jet?
 
2013-04-30 03:54:23 PM  

cretinbob: ciberido: ManateeGag: Why does it seem that people are rooting for the criminal that blew up and 8-year-old?

It seems that way to you because you're incapable of understanding why anyone would disagree with you about anything, therefore you're left assuming that anyone who doesn't agree with you is either stupid or evil.  That's why.

To be fair, there are people who are rooting for the guy who killed the 8 year old.


Ok, fair enough, but why?  I mean, short of "Death to America," why would anyone support this guy?  Am I missing something?

And even if you hated America and wanted to see it destroyed, why not attack the White House or the Pentagon or some more military target?  Why blow up a footrace except for bonus evil points?
 
2013-04-30 04:15:18 PM  
Shocked, I am sho--oh yeah, no I'm not.

I heard on NPR that they interrogated him for 16 hours before they read him his rights. So some people already knew about this. But I am never going to agree with Glen Greenwald about anything, not in a million years. I mean, look at his face. If that's not punchable, it doesn't exist.
 
2013-04-30 04:37:22 PM  
And no one could answer my question, only continue with the derprage. Good to see that no one actually cares or pays attention to what's going on, only screams at imagined phantoms.
 
2013-04-30 05:11:38 PM  

ciberido: Ok, fair enough, but why? I mean, short of "Death to America," why would anyone support this guy? Am I missing something?


I really don't know why either. I just can't climb into that mindset. It's too farked up.

Maybe I'll start reading the twitter and see if I can figure it out
 
2013-04-30 07:21:04 PM  

Tatsuma: The Southern Dandy: This is the kind of fark up that can occur when you let Bush appointed lawyers remain in the DOJ, when they should've been purged on Jan 21, 2009.

Actually managing to blame Bush in 2013. Impressive. Really impressive.


Perhaps reading comprehension is not your strong suit.
 
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