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(Think Progress)   According to my sources, Chris Broussard is about to get fired for his comments on Jason Collins   (thinkprogress.org ) divider line 42
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2013-04-29 04:29:15 PM  
6 votes:
Let's ask Chris about working on the Sabbath (they do still play games on The Lord's Day, correct?), turning the other cheek (which happens ALL the time when the benches clear, right?), casting the first stone (which admittedly, this wasn't - just Broussard being an idiot) or any of a hundred other things mentioned many multiples of times and in less-uncertain language than teh ghey.

Actually, Chris - how do you feel about the ~half of the NBA that has illegitimate kids? Are they also not Christian? You wanna take some time and call them ALLLLLL out by name, like you did with JColl? How about the ones with rap sheets longer than their stat sheets?

Oh, just teh ghey is a problem? Well, go sit on a railroad spike, buddy.
2013-04-29 08:01:10 PM  
3 votes:
It takes a lot to outdouche Skip Bayless on ESPN but I think this Chris guy just managed to do the impossible.

This is what really bothered me the most:

He also cast his doubt that being gay is biological, writing, "there are many scientists on both sides of the genetic debate, and I believe a truly objective person would admit the biological evidence for homosexuality is far from definitive."

It's only far from definitive in the eyes of people who don't want to admit that it's true.

Scientifically it's  been well-proven that it is biological, the skeptics only rebuttal seems to be "nuh uh" with nothing backing it up outside of some crazy conspiracy theories that the gay people bullied the psychological community into telling us that it is biological when it really isn't.
2013-04-29 10:53:56 PM  
2 votes:

DmGdDawg: Di Atribe: DmGdDawg: Few things in life are more predictable than the bible "experts" on Fark.

You're right. We're ignorant. Please tell us what Jesus had to say about homosexuals?

Christians, myself included, believe that the bible is the very word of God, written by men through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Jesus didn't have to repeat every commandment found elsewhere in the bible and He didn't offer some contradictory teaching to the rest of the bible.  Jesus never taught a new morality or that some things just simply weren't sins anymore:

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:17-19.

It doesn't bother me when unbelievers don't believe the bible. It's irritating when unbelievers smugly pretend the bible says something it doesn't. Homosexuality is an extremely serious sin according to the bible. I understand that you reject that teaching of the bible, but to pretend that the bible is unclear on that point demonstrates ignorance. If you think the bible is just a book of mythology, so be it. But at least be academically honest about what it says.


Bullshiat. Your bad theology is just that, bad theology. You're reading passages about temple prostitution in the worship of pagan gods as being rules about everyone. Just because you and the religious right can't do basic hermeneutics  properly doesn't make you right about what the Bible says, it just shows that your hermeneutic skills and theology suck.
2013-04-29 08:39:01 PM  
2 votes:
What does this guy's religion have to do with Jason Collins' sexuality? Why would Chris Broussard think that anyone would care? I just really don't get it.
2013-04-29 06:57:57 PM  
2 votes:
Things Jesus said: don't judge, love your neighbor, love your enemy, support the oppressed.

Thing Jesus did not say, ever: homosexuality is bad.
2013-04-29 05:05:20 PM  
2 votes:

Aarontology: If you're concerned about your religion's version of morality, professional sports is the last thing that should be putting money in your pocket.


If you're concerned about you religion's version of morality, you should keep it YOUR religion. Especially if you're supposed to be a journalist. Not one person gives a flying f*ck what Chris Broussard's opinion on sin and one's everlasting soul is.
2013-04-29 04:54:51 PM  
2 votes:
If you're concerned about your religion's version of morality, professional sports is the last thing that should be putting money in your pocket.
2013-04-29 04:45:17 PM  
2 votes:
The Bible also considers fornication to be a huge sin, most NBA players are guilty of it, yet Broussard isn't condemning THEM. Hypocrite.
2013-04-29 04:16:57 PM  
2 votes:

hasty ambush: What, no free speech in the NBA?  How does what he said affect his abiity to play basketball?


Unless you're arguing that the NBA is a government entity, first amendment is irrelevant. But you knew that.
2013-04-29 04:16:33 PM  
2 votes:

hasty ambush: What, no free speech in the NBA?  How does what he said affect his abiity to play basketball?


You don't seem to have a firm grasp of the facts in this situation.
2013-04-30 11:41:54 AM  
1 vote:

DmGdDawg: Vodka Zombie: DmGdDawg: Who is this mythical Christian you speak of that is saying that people in America are "required or obligate to live in accordance with the Bible."? I don't know any Christian, myself included, who thinks that or even suggested that. Saying "homosexuality is a sin" isn't the same as saying people shouldn't be allowed to be homosexuals in America.

Then why say it if not to judge and condemn?

Is it just to make you feel "morally superior" and remind everyone how right you think you are as you cower and hide your petty ignorance and hatred behind your precious holy book?

Why worry about what I believe if not to judge and condemn?


WTF?!?

Is that supposed to be...  I don't know...  witty or something?
 Anyway, when you lash out like this, it does mean that you have nothing better to say, and you simply won't admit that you're wrong.  Which, you know, is childish, but oh, so VERY Christian.
2013-04-30 11:21:22 AM  
1 vote:

DmGdDawg: Serious Black: DmGdDawg: Serious Black: DmGdDawg: Vodka Zombie: No one in America is required or obligated to live in accordance with the Bible.

Why do Christians have such a hard time understanding this simple, simple thing?

It goes beyond stupidity.  Even the most intellectually damaged human being can grasp the concept of free will.  Christians just can't, and yet they think they are worth listening to.

Way to beat up that straw man!

I haven't heard anyone say Jason Collins shouldn't be allowed to do whatever he wants. He came out as gay and was received, for the most part, positively by the public. Broussard didn't say Collins should be put in prison or castrated. He said that engaging in homosexual (or premarital heterosexual) sex is a sin. Broussard having an opinion you don't agree with isn't the same as you being "obligated to live in accordance with the bible." Free will doesn't mean you can do whatever you want and everyone has to approve of it. Lots of things are morally wrong but not illegal.

You know, self-identified Christians back in the medieval era used to think that engaging in any kind of sexual activity, even exclusively procreative sexual activity with a spouse, was a sin that infinitely distanced you from the pure and uncorrupted God. They believed that the only way to be a devout follower of Christ was to be completely chaste and celibate because that's what God and Jesus are. Were these people not Real Christians™?

Thanks for the made up history lesson. People in medieval days who didn't believe the bible weren't Christians anymore than people today who don't believe the bible.

How do you know they didn't believe the Bible (whatever the Hell that means)? How do you know that any specific person living today who claims to be a Christian doesn't really believe the Bible?

Let's go with an extreme example: Westboro Baptist Church. The church and its members self-identify as Christian. They consistently cite passages from the Bible during ...

God will ultimately judge. Sure, there are people who claim to believe the bible who really don't. There are people like that in every church and even in may pulpits. The bible warns against such people and there are certainly warning signs, but only God knows someone's heart.


That's exactly my point (and the point I think several others are trying to make as well). Presuming that an omnipotent God really does exist and that God judges all people upon their death as worthy of spending eternity in Heaven, God is going to be the one who decides. Not you. Not me. Not anyone else who has ever lived or ever will live. Not any holy book that has inevitably been tainted by human hands. Assuming that your religion is correct and every other religion is incorrect is one of the most bombastic, pompous, and arrogant beliefs you can ever hold.
2013-04-30 09:31:02 AM  
1 vote:
"Well, now that the Christ has arrived, we can drop all those wacky Old Testament rules. Except for the ones we want to keep. Ignore the ones we don't want anymore, but if you break any of the ones we want to hold on to, you're going to Hell."
2013-04-30 09:08:22 AM  
1 vote:

Vodka Zombie: No one in America is required or obligated to live in accordance with the Bible.

Why do Christians have such a hard time understanding this simple, simple thing?

It goes beyond stupidity.  Even the most intellectually damaged human being can grasp the concept of free will.  Christians just can't, and yet they think they are worth listening to.


Way to beat up that straw man!

I haven't heard anyone say Jason Collins shouldn't be allowed to do whatever he wants. He came out as gay and was received, for the most part, positively by the public. Broussard didn't say Collins should be put in prison or castrated. He said that engaging in homosexual (or premarital heterosexual) sex is a sin. Broussard having an opinion you don't agree with isn't the same as you being "obligated to live in accordance with the bible." Free will doesn't mean you can do whatever you want and everyone has to approve of it. Lots of things are morally wrong but not illegal.
2013-04-29 11:31:22 PM  
1 vote:

Xanadone: gilgigamesh: Di Atribe: What does this guy's religion have to do with Jason Collins' sexuality? Why would Chris Broussard think that anyone would care? I just really don't get it.

I don't know why we have to listen to this crap on ESPN at all. Half-assed NBA color analysts are the last people I want to hear debating civic and religious issues. Probably even less than pageant finalists, because that at least carries the possibility of being hilarious.

Plus, pageant finalists are smarter than sportscasters.


I hope, hope, that this is the end of Broussard's career. This worthless assclown had no business having a job in the industry anyhow,  and made whomever gave Skip Bayliss a job an opportunity to point and say, "hey, at least I didn't hire him".
2013-04-29 11:25:22 PM  
1 vote:

fatalvenom: Hey now Christians....if you expect all of us heathens to believe your feel-good bedtime story, then why did your savior allow his favorite son to be released by the Jets this morning?

Huh?

/dropped some treble hooks
//gonna catch me some bible-salmon


" Let me give you a little inside information about God. God likes to watch. He's a prankster. Think about it. He gives man instincts. He gives you this extraordinary gift, and then what does He do, I swear for His own amusement, his own private, cosmic gag reel, He sets the rules in opposition. It's the goof of all time. Look but don't touch. Touch, but don't taste. Taste, don't swallow. Ahaha. And while you're jumpin' from one foot to the next, what is he doing? He's laughin' His sick, farkin' ass off! He's a tight-ass! He's a SADIST! He's an absentee landlord! Worship that? NEVER!  "

encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com

//There was a fair amount of Tebow bashing that was about his faith.
2013-04-29 11:20:45 PM  
1 vote:
Hey now Christians....if you expect all of us heathens to believe your feel-good bedtime story, then why did your savior allow his favorite son to be released by the Jets this morning?

Huh?

/dropped some treble hooks
//gonna catch me some bible-salmon
2013-04-29 10:50:13 PM  
1 vote:

DmGdDawg: But at least be academically honest about what it says.


Oh I'm honest about what it says. You didn't answer my question because Jesus said neither jot nor tittle about homosexuality. I spent 18 years having the Bible hammered into my skull, watching the adults around me pick & choose which rules they followed while shaming me for daring to ask why they got to pick & choose. But I don't look back on my days in the church with bitterness. I learned a lot of good things, like how Jesus loved everyone, but threw the money changers out of the temple. How he was all, "Hey, you don't have to slaughter goats for my dad any more." And stuff like,"Maybe we shouldn't stone our children to death for misbehaving any more." I mean, he had some really good ideas. Being dickwads to homos isn't in the contract, though. It's none of your business & it's none of Chris Broussard's business. Just let people be & we can all live in harmony. Your faith ends where other people's begins.
2013-04-29 10:30:47 PM  
1 vote:

mjbok: As crappy as it is, in the eyes of the church he's right.


Riddle me this, good sir: What the hell does that have to do with this Jason Collins's ability to play basketball? Did Jason Collins profess to be a good Christian? I didn't see any of that. The only things I saw him profess to be are black & gay. Who said you have to be a good Christian in order to play basketball? Is that in the bylaws? Sounds discriminatory.
2013-04-29 10:26:57 PM  
1 vote:
Anyone else suspect that this was ESPN  yet  again manufacturing controversy? They had to have known what he was going to say  but they put him on anyway to make themselves part of the story.
2013-04-29 09:50:47 PM  
1 vote:
FTFA: But in that same essay, he also said it would make him "a little uncomfortable" to shower with a gay teammate.

Translation:  "I don't like the gays, but I'm still narcissistic enough to believe the gay guys would find me to be hot".
2013-04-29 09:48:23 PM  
1 vote:

This Looks Fun: js34603:He was asked specifically about this on air while representing his employer and gave his personal opinion on air as a representative of his employer. He didnt do it for outrage or attention. He did it because it was his opinion and now he's going to almost certainly be disciplined, if not fired, for it.

It would be like your emoloyer coworkerasking you your opinion on homosexuals because they found out a gay guy worked in your office and then firing you for your publicly voicing your opinion while representing your employer.

You omitted some important information. I bolded it for you.


Yeah, people get fired by their companies for saying dumb shiat every day, just look at that tool Creative Director from Microsoft.
2013-04-29 09:23:23 PM  
1 vote:
js34603:He was asked specifically about this on air while representing his employer and gave his personal opinion on air as a representative of his employer. He didnt do it for outrage or attention. He did it because it was his opinion and now he's going to almost certainly be disciplined, if not fired, for it.

It would be like your emoloyer coworkerasking you your opinion on homosexuals because they found out a gay guy worked in your office and then firing you for your publicly voicing your opinion while representing your employer.


You omitted some important information. I bolded it for you.
2013-04-29 09:04:04 PM  
1 vote:

The Flexecutioner: collins was right in thinking a lot of guys wouldn't think he was gay.  not many of his shots were particularly swishy.


Wanna single this one out for some love. Made me snert.
2013-04-29 09:01:15 PM  
1 vote:

Bonanza Jellybean: EyeballKid: Is it that difficult to be a sports opinion writer and not say stupid shiat?!

Sort of. You need to outrage people (or at least take up unpopular positions) regularly in order to get noticed, but some (or many) talking heads aren't smart enough to pick their battles.


The thing is Broussard isn't even that guy, he isn't a talking head troll like Bayless or Screaming A Smith. He covers the NBA.

He was asked specifically about this and gave his personal opinion. He didnt do it for outrage or attention. He did it because it was his opinion and now he's going to almost certainly be disciplined, if not fired, for it.

It would be like your emoloyer asking you your opinion on homosexuals because they found out a gay guy worked in your office and then firing you for your opinion.

I find the whole thing irritating and disgusting. Broussard's opinion (and let's not pretend he's the only Christian to think like that) the reaction to it (politically incorrect opinions! get the pitchforks!...people care less about the issue than they do about being outraged) and the inevitable gesture ESPN will make to appease the mob; the whole thing is stupid.
2013-04-29 08:44:51 PM  
1 vote:
Hey if I wanted religion, I would have tuned into a different broadcast, right?

/Getcher bible outta my sportscast!
2013-04-29 08:30:31 PM  
1 vote:
Wow, I didn't think it was possible for anybody on ESPN to be douchier than they already are.
2013-04-29 08:28:14 PM  
1 vote:

Trocadero: I've shaken AC Green's hand.
/csb


I hope you washed yours afterward.
2013-04-29 08:01:21 PM  
1 vote:
"What is your opinion about this sensitive subject?"

"Here's my personal opinion about it"

"OMFG no one wants your ignorant opinion you bigot, hope you get fired!"

/the solution is to stop turning argument into entertainment and passing off opinion as journalism
2013-04-29 07:42:43 PM  
1 vote:
Subby should have used the Ironic tag since Chris himself is in the closet.
2013-04-29 07:31:53 PM  
1 vote:
collins was right in thinking a lot of guys wouldn't think he was gay.  not many of his shots were particularly swishy.
2013-04-29 07:25:37 PM  
1 vote:
It really doesn't cost you anything to be polite and respectful towards other people, but it can cost you everything to be petty and mean (especially if you are in the public eye).
2013-04-29 07:09:48 PM  
1 vote:
They're not going to fire him for stating his own opinion, because opinions are what drive all the shows on that network. Regardless, a sports news program isn't exactly the right medium to dive into your personal belief pulpit.
2013-04-29 06:52:26 PM  
1 vote:
Broussard is black, so ESPN won't have to punish him.  Stephen A Smith says the N-word on the air once every few months or so, and I don't even think ESPN even mentions it to him in passing that maybe he shouldn't do that.   Broussard will be fine. Remember, in America, it's ok to be a hateful, intolerant, ignoramus, so long as you're black.
2013-04-29 05:16:58 PM  
1 vote:
Broussard is merely pointing out that any team with Collins on it will lose all the time because God will be with the other team without teh gheys. After a win, when a player gives the glory to God, this is the kind of thing Broussard is talking about.
2013-04-29 04:49:07 PM  
1 vote:

Lorelle: The Bible also considers fornication to be a huge sin, most NBA players are guilty of it, yet Broussard isn't condemning THEM. Hypocrite.


You might want to actually hear what he said on that issue.
2013-04-29 04:46:19 PM  
1 vote:

Lorelle: The Bible also considers fornication to be a huge sin, most NBA players are guilty of it, yet Broussard isn't condemning THEM. Hypocrite.


Not sure if read article.
2013-04-29 04:28:28 PM  
1 vote:
Ah, yes, A.C. Green. Well, Broussard just committed career seppuku. I hope it was worth it to bash an aging bench warmer.
2013-04-29 04:22:47 PM  
1 vote:

James!: hasty ambush: What, no free speech in the NBA?  How does what he said affect his abiity to play basketball?

I don't think other players would be comfortable playing with a judgmental asshole, you know if this dude played basketball.  Which he doesn't.


I don't think most NBA players could stop laughing after he compared having premarital heterosexual sex to homosexuality.  Then again, who was the player who "saved himself" for marriage years ago? He wasn't sanctimonious about it or anything, but it was well-known.
2013-04-29 04:16:51 PM  
1 vote:
Is it that difficult to be a sports opinion writer and not say stupid shiat?!
2013-04-29 04:16:34 PM  
1 vote:

Skywolf the Scribbler: Me to Chris Broussard: Dude, the cool thing about Christianity is that we can have forgiving grace even if we live in sin--after all, nobody's perfect. I sure as hell have some ghastly sin I could tell you all about...


You remember that bit about loving your neighbor? Broussard's practicing the age-old christian tradition of reducing the number of neighbors he has by roping people he thinks are icky into some  other category.
2013-04-29 04:04:08 PM  
1 vote:
Me to Chris Broussard: Dude, the cool thing about Christianity is that we can have forgiving grace even if we live in sin--after all, nobody's perfect. I sure as hell have some ghastly sin I could tell you all about...
 
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