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2013-04-29 11:15:00 PM  

DmGdDawg: jrodr018: DmGdDawg: jrodr018: DmGdDawg: jrodr018: DmGdDawg: Di Atribe: DmGdDawg: Few things in life are more predictable than the bible "experts" on Fark.

You're right. We're ignorant. Please tell us what Jesus had to say about homosexuals?

Christians, myself included, believe that the bible is the very word of God, written by men through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Jesus didn't have to repeat every commandment found elsewhere in the bible and He didn't offer some contradictory teaching to the rest of the bible.  Jesus never taught a new morality or that some things just simply weren't sins anymore: 

I hope nobody believes that ALL Christians are like this a-hole. I sure as hell am not. Great for you to cherry-pick some passages, yet I am sure you are probably wearing and have had for lunch and dinner "abominations to the eyes of the Lord." You are the reason good and true Christians are hated. Thanks for setting us back a few centuries, troll.

I can tell from what you wrote here that you're not a Christian. Stop kidding yourself.

Oh you're just a troll. Make sure next time you use scriptures it is actually related to what we are discussing. More bites, you know? Thanks for clarifying. Hope you are keeping Sabbath. Troll.

I'm a troll because I don't pretend like someone who doesn't believe the bible is a Christian anyway?

Yes.

Haha, fine then. No sense arguing with that.


That's what I said. Thanks for playing. Troll.
 
2013-04-29 11:20:45 PM  
Hey now Christians....if you expect all of us heathens to believe your feel-good bedtime story, then why did your savior allow his favorite son to be released by the Jets this morning?

Huh?

/dropped some treble hooks
//gonna catch me some bible-salmon
 
2013-04-29 11:22:25 PM  

gilgigamesh: Di Atribe: What does this guy's religion have to do with Jason Collins' sexuality? Why would Chris Broussard think that anyone would care? I just really don't get it.

I don't know why we have to listen to this crap on ESPN at all. Half-assed NBA color analysts are the last people I want to hear debating civic and religious issues. Probably even less than pageant finalists, because that at least carries the possibility of being hilarious.


Plus, pageant finalists are smarter than sportscasters.
 
2013-04-29 11:25:22 PM  

fatalvenom: Hey now Christians....if you expect all of us heathens to believe your feel-good bedtime story, then why did your savior allow his favorite son to be released by the Jets this morning?

Huh?

/dropped some treble hooks
//gonna catch me some bible-salmon


" Let me give you a little inside information about God. God likes to watch. He's a prankster. Think about it. He gives man instincts. He gives you this extraordinary gift, and then what does He do, I swear for His own amusement, his own private, cosmic gag reel, He sets the rules in opposition. It's the goof of all time. Look but don't touch. Touch, but don't taste. Taste, don't swallow. Ahaha. And while you're jumpin' from one foot to the next, what is he doing? He's laughin' His sick, farkin' ass off! He's a tight-ass! He's a SADIST! He's an absentee landlord! Worship that? NEVER!  "

encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com

//There was a fair amount of Tebow bashing that was about his faith.
 
2013-04-29 11:27:11 PM  
I don't see professing someone's religion as hate-speech.  In that case, all you farkers should be cleansed by the God of Light!
 
2013-04-29 11:31:07 PM  

DmGdDawg: None of that is in the bible. That's what I'm talking about. You should have read the bible instead of simply listening to what someone said that it says.


Oh you bet your ass it's in there. I know you want me to waste all night searching scripture & annotating it all, but that's not going to happen because I don't give a shiat. All that matters is that your religion doesn't mean anything in regards to this story or this issue or Jason Collins's life or anyone's life but your own. Go back into your safe little church bubble & talk to yourself about how righteous you are. The rest of us are probably going to have a parade. I like parades.
 
2013-04-29 11:31:22 PM  

Xanadone: gilgigamesh: Di Atribe: What does this guy's religion have to do with Jason Collins' sexuality? Why would Chris Broussard think that anyone would care? I just really don't get it.

I don't know why we have to listen to this crap on ESPN at all. Half-assed NBA color analysts are the last people I want to hear debating civic and religious issues. Probably even less than pageant finalists, because that at least carries the possibility of being hilarious.

Plus, pageant finalists are smarter than sportscasters.


I hope, hope, that this is the end of Broussard's career. This worthless assclown had no business having a job in the industry anyhow,  and made whomever gave Skip Bayliss a job an opportunity to point and say, "hey, at least I didn't hire him".
 
2013-04-29 11:42:28 PM  

Di Atribe: What does this guy's religion have to do with Jason Collins' sexuality? Why would Chris Broussard think that anyone would care? I just really don't get it.


To be fair Collins was the one who brought up religion.
 
2013-04-29 11:46:12 PM  
Hmmm..And who are your 'sources'?
 
2013-04-29 11:55:58 PM  

mjbok: Di Atribe: What does this guy's religion have to do with Jason Collins' sexuality? Why would Chris Broussard think that anyone would care? I just really don't get it.

To be fair Collins was the one who brought up religion.


Oh. Hm. You're right. I guess I was so focused on Broussard's comments that I sort of missed that part. Herpaderp on me, for sure.
 
2013-04-30 12:07:48 AM  

rynthetyn: Anyone else suspect that this was ESPN  yet  again manufacturing controversy? They had to have known what he was going to say  but they put him on anyway to make themselves part of the story.


That's exactly what it was. It's not like this was a secret that Broussard felt this way. Hell, he's even friends with the person he was debating.
 
2013-04-30 12:17:10 AM  

js34603: "What is your opinion about this sensitive subject?"

"Here's my personal opinion about it"

"OMFG no one wants your ignorant opinion you bigot, hope you get fired!"

/the solution is to stop turning argument into entertainment and passing off opinion as journalism


I was almost banned from another message board when someone started a thread about what people thought about same-sex marriage.  I wrote that I approved, and that any religious belief that hurt another person was just a form of bigotry.  So it goes both ways.

/I didn't realize I said something horribly offensive on a THREAD ABOUT IT
 
2013-04-30 12:25:12 AM  
And now Tim Brando is getting butthurt because people are yelling at him because he said this guy isn't a hero for coming out. He then played the persecuted WASP card (which seems to be played more often than the race card these days).

/Jeez, can't even be a good little Christian bigot these days without people yelling at you.
 
2013-04-30 12:33:24 AM  

Super Chronic: Why Would I Read the Article: Super Chronic: Thing Jesus did not say, ever: homosexuality is bad.

The bible says it in about 359 different places, though. Right after the part where it says women should be stoned to death if they get raped or think about butterflies or something. Or maybe that's the Muslim bible, it's hard to tell, all these religions are the same.

Well, Leviticus says it (as you say, right between the parts about sewing garments from two threads and clipping one's hair at the temple) and then St. Paul of Tarsus says it, obliquely, when referring to "sexual morality" (although I would think he was more worried about adultery).  But Jesus, nope, that wasn't his bag.


Well, to be fair, Jesus actually never said anything in the Bible, since the Gospels, the Acts accounts, and all of the epistles are all secondhand accounts written decades after he lived.  And who knows how long after he died Revelation was tacked on.
 
2013-04-30 12:49:52 AM  

RevMercutio: rynthetyn: Anyone else suspect that this was ESPN  yet  again manufacturing controversy? They had to have known what he was going to say  but they put him on anyway to make themselves part of the story.

That's exactly what it was. It's not like this was a secret that Broussard felt this way. Hell, he's even friends with the person he was debating.


Which pretty much makes ESPN the evil empire who inserts themselves into the middle of every story yet again.
 
2013-04-30 01:34:56 AM  
People realize that Chris said this because he was asked about it right? It wasn't like "Jason Collins came out, I'm gonna use this time to talk about religion now." Both Collins and LZ Granderson (the gentleman that was debating with Broussard) identify as gay Christians. Thus, the topic of Christianity came up and Broussard gave his opinion.

I don't understand why half are you are up in arms, shouting, "WHY IS HE TALKING ABOUT TEH BIBLEZ?!?!" It should seem clear how they got to that point.
 
2013-04-30 01:35:16 AM  
If Jason Collins coming out results in Chris Broussard getting fired, I'll kiss him if I ever see him.
 
2013-04-30 01:35:19 AM  
Broussard has been saying stuff like this publicly since at least 2009. I'm sure they put him on that OTL because they new exactly the type of opinion he was going to give and if they didn't the producers are idiots. I'm not sure what is fireable about that. Can you legally fire someone for a religous opinion? His brand of christianity is the exclusionary type anyway. He probably would label me a heathen because I'm catholic (non practicing). I'm not a christian to them because I didn't get saved.
 
2013-04-30 01:38:23 AM  

carnifex2005: If Jason Collins coming out results in Chris Broussard getting fired, I'll kiss him if I ever see him.


Amen, and I went to Cal, so I hate Stanfurd alumni on principle.
 
2013-04-30 01:50:48 AM  

gtfan92: I don't understand why half are you are up in arms, shouting, "WHY IS HE TALKING ABOUT TEH BIBLEZ?!?!" It should seem clear how they got to that point.


We're not up in arms because of him mentioning the bible per se.
 
2013-04-30 01:57:50 AM  
Religion is gay.
 
2013-04-30 02:41:35 AM  

Di Atribe: DmGdDawg: None of that is in the bible. That's what I'm talking about. You should have read the bible instead of simply listening to what someone said that it says.

Oh you bet your ass it's in there. I know you want me to waste all night searching scripture & annotating it all, but that's not going to happen because I don't give a shiat. All that matters is that your religion doesn't mean anything in regards to this story or this issue or Jason Collins's life or anyone's life but your own. Go back into your safe little church bubble & talk to yourself about how righteous you are. The rest of us are probably going to have a parade. I like parades.


you're pretty green now.
 
2013-04-30 04:31:07 AM  
Chris Broussard:

thetampainjurylawyers.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-04-30 06:56:21 AM  

DmGdDawg: Di Atribe: DmGdDawg: Few things in life are more predictable than the bible "experts" on Fark.

You're right. We're ignorant. Please tell us what Jesus had to say about homosexuals?

Christians, Some people who self-identify as "Christians," myself included, believe that the bible is the very word of God, written by men through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Jesus didn't have to repeat every commandment found elsewhere in the bible and He didn't offer some contradictory teaching to the rest of the bible.  Jesus never taught a new morality or that some things just simply weren't sins anymore:

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:17-19.


You sanctimonious SOB, please stop pretending that you speak for an entire group of people when you clearly don't.

Ok, thanks.
 
2013-04-30 07:12:59 AM  

Skywolf the Scribbler: Me to Chris Broussard: Dude, the cool thing about Christianity is that we can have forgiving grace even if we live in sin--after all, nobody's perfect. I sure as hell have some ghastly sin I could tell you all about...


This is the Boobies?  Fark off.   This is not sin.  Farker.
 
2013-04-30 07:39:45 AM  
This is garage, he did not single out gay people, he specifically said people having sex without being married, regardless of orientation......wait a tic, gays cant get married.  Fire him.
 
2013-04-30 07:48:44 AM  
Does he also disapprove of players tattoos?
 
2013-04-30 07:57:14 AM  
Lorelle

The Bible also considers fornication to be a huge sin, most NBA players are guilty of it, yet Broussard isn't condemning THEM. Hypocrite.

Illiterate much?
 
2013-04-30 08:23:24 AM  

tacos4jesus: DmGdDawg: Di Atribe: DmGdDawg: Few things in life are more predictable than the bible "experts" on Fark.

You're right. We're ignorant. Please tell us what Jesus had to say about homosexuals?

Christians, Some people who self-identify as "Christians," myself included, believe that the bible is the very word of God, written by men through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Jesus didn't have to repeat every commandment found elsewhere in the bible and He didn't offer some contradictory teaching to the rest of the bible.  Jesus never taught a new morality or that some things just simply weren't sins anymore:

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:17-19.

You sanctimonious SOB, please stop pretending that you speak for an entire group of people when you clearly don't.

Ok, thanks.


If you don't believe the bible, you're not a Christian. Not sure why that's so offensive to you. I don't believe the Quran so it wouldn't offend me if someone pointed out that I'm not a Muslim.
 
2013-04-30 08:39:36 AM  
DmGdDawg:

If you don't believe the bible, you're not a Christian. Not sure why that's so offensive to you. I don't believe the Quran so it wouldn't offend me if someone pointed out that I'm not a Muslim.

It's offensive because you are claiming total authority over Christianity.  There are many, many different interpretations and translations of the Bible, and many many different versions, sects, denominations of Christianity.  Claiming to speak for all Christians is akin to claiming to speak for all Americans.  Sure, you can do it, but you are wrong and douchey.

As a religion major and someone who has known many very religious gay and lesbian people, I feel confident in saying you are absolutely not speaking in the name of all Christians.  In fact, no one is.

Speak for yourself.  That's fine.  Lumping all Christians into your myopic point of view is what makes people think that Christianity is a close-minded and hateful religion.

/douchey-douche is a douche
 
2013-04-30 08:41:14 AM  

great_tigers: I guess if Jesus was ok with a hooker, I can be ok with gays. Seriously, Matthew 7:5


Jesus loved the person who is the hooker but be certain He hated the sin that the person committed.  

I don't find  Broussard offensive, nothing he said was out of hate toward any group/person.
 
2013-04-30 08:57:51 AM  

tacos4jesus: DmGdDawg:

If you don't believe the bible, you're not a Christian. Not sure why that's so offensive to you. I don't believe the Quran so it wouldn't offend me if someone pointed out that I'm not a Muslim.

It's offensive because you are claiming total authority over Christianity.  There are many, many different interpretations and translations of the Bible, and many many different versions, sects, denominations of Christianity.  Claiming to speak for all Christians is akin to claiming to speak for all Americans.  Sure, you can do it, but you are wrong and douchey.

As a religion major and someone who has known many very religious gay and lesbian people, I feel confident in saying you are absolutely not speaking in the name of all Christians.  In fact, no one is.

Speak for yourself.  That's fine.  Lumping all Christians into your myopic point of view is what makes people think that Christianity is a close-minded and hateful religion.

/douchey-douche is a douche


Sure, there are lots of "religious" gay people.  I'm sorry it offends your sense of "fairness" or whatever, but if you reject the bible you aren't a Christian. Jesus didn't believe in an "inclusive" Christianity:

"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." Matthew 7:13-14.

He also warned that many who claim to be Christians are not:  "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." Matthew 7:21-23

So you can claim to be whatever you wish, but if you are following a "Christianity" of your making you're not one that Jesus would call a "Christian" even though you'll be quite popular among the other unbelieving "religious" people in the world. As for me, I would much rather be acceptable to God than to man.
 
2013-04-30 08:57:58 AM  
No one in America is required or obligated to live in accordance with the Bible.

Why do Christians have such a hard time understanding this simple, simple thing?

It goes beyond stupidity.  Even the most intellectually damaged human being can grasp the concept of free will.  Christians just can't, and yet they think they are worth listening to.
 
2013-04-30 09:06:27 AM  

DmGdDawg: tacos4jesus: DmGdDawg:

If you don't believe the bible, you're not a Christian. Not sure why that's so offensive to you. I don't believe the Quran so it wouldn't offend me if someone pointed out that I'm not a Muslim.

It's offensive because you are claiming total authority over Christianity.  There are many, many different interpretations and translations of the Bible, and many many different versions, sects, denominations of Christianity.  Claiming to speak for all Christians is akin to claiming to speak for all Americans.  Sure, you can do it, but you are wrong and douchey.

As a religion major and someone who has known many very religious gay and lesbian people, I feel confident in saying you are absolutely not speaking in the name of all Christians.  In fact, no one is.

Speak for yourself.  That's fine.  Lumping all Christians into your myopic point of view is what makes people think that Christianity is a close-minded and hateful religion.

/douchey-douche is a douche

Sure, there are lots of "religious" gay people.  I'm sorry it offends your sense of "fairness" or whatever, but if you reject the bible you aren't a Christian. Jesus didn't believe in an "inclusive" Christianity:

"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." Matthew 7:13-14.

He also warned that many who claim to be Christians are not:  "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." Matthew 7:21-23

So you can claim to be whatever you wish, but ...


You don't get to decide who is a Christian and who isn't, regardless of what criteria you have chosen.

I myself am not religious, but I am a religious scholar and have spent time in houses of worship all over the world.  Religious sects of any type that claim complete dominion on the truth are dangerous.

Enjoy your tiny hate-filled world, douche.
 
2013-04-30 09:08:22 AM  

Vodka Zombie: No one in America is required or obligated to live in accordance with the Bible.

Why do Christians have such a hard time understanding this simple, simple thing?

It goes beyond stupidity.  Even the most intellectually damaged human being can grasp the concept of free will.  Christians just can't, and yet they think they are worth listening to.


Way to beat up that straw man!

I haven't heard anyone say Jason Collins shouldn't be allowed to do whatever he wants. He came out as gay and was received, for the most part, positively by the public. Broussard didn't say Collins should be put in prison or castrated. He said that engaging in homosexual (or premarital heterosexual) sex is a sin. Broussard having an opinion you don't agree with isn't the same as you being "obligated to live in accordance with the bible." Free will doesn't mean you can do whatever you want and everyone has to approve of it. Lots of things are morally wrong but not illegal.
 
2013-04-30 09:13:34 AM  

mjbok: Let me give you a little inside information about God. God likes to watch.


www.thefilmpilgrim.com
 
2013-04-30 09:24:11 AM  

tacos4jesus: DmGdDawg: tacos4jesus: DmGdDawg:

If you don't believe the bible, you're not a Christian. Not sure why that's so offensive to you. I don't believe the Quran so it wouldn't offend me if someone pointed out that I'm not a Muslim.

It's offensive because you are claiming total authority over Christianity.  There are many, many different interpretations and translations of the Bible, and many many different versions, sects, denominations of Christianity.  Claiming to speak for all Christians is akin to claiming to speak for all Americans.  Sure, you can do it, but you are wrong and douchey.

As a religion major and someone who has known many very religious gay and lesbian people, I feel confident in saying you are absolutely not speaking in the name of all Christians.  In fact, no one is.

Speak for yourself.  That's fine.  Lumping all Christians into your myopic point of view is what makes people think that Christianity is a close-minded and hateful religion.

/douchey-douche is a douche

Sure, there are lots of "religious" gay people.  I'm sorry it offends your sense of "fairness" or whatever, but if you reject the bible you aren't a Christian. Jesus didn't believe in an "inclusive" Christianity:

"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." Matthew 7:13-14.

He also warned that many who claim to be Christians are not:  "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." Matthew 7:21-23

So you can claim to be whatever you ...


God will decide, no doubt. But He has made the criteria by which He will decide plain to anyone who cares to know.
 
2013-04-30 09:27:32 AM  

DmGdDawg: Vodka Zombie: No one in America is required or obligated to live in accordance with the Bible.

Why do Christians have such a hard time understanding this simple, simple thing?

It goes beyond stupidity.  Even the most intellectually damaged human being can grasp the concept of free will.  Christians just can't, and yet they think they are worth listening to.

Way to beat up that straw man!

I haven't heard anyone say Jason Collins shouldn't be allowed to do whatever he wants. He came out as gay and was received, for the most part, positively by the public. Broussard didn't say Collins should be put in prison or castrated. He said that engaging in homosexual (or premarital heterosexual) sex is a sin. Broussard having an opinion you don't agree with isn't the same as you being "obligated to live in accordance with the bible." Free will doesn't mean you can do whatever you want and everyone has to approve of it. Lots of things are morally wrong but not illegal.


Riiiight...  "Morally wrong."

You're enjoying putting words in my mouth (or, at my fingertips, as the case may be), aren't you?

The second you use the Bible (or any other holy book) to condemn the actions of someone, you've completely abandoned the concept of freedom that America claims to hold so very dear.

Aside from that, I don't think I ever said that Broussard wasn't entitled to his opinion.  Did I say that anywhere?  It was so long ago, and my memory just isn't what it used to be.

Oh.  I didn't say that, did I?

Weird that you would go to such lengths to accuse me of that while also criticizing me of "beating a straw man," don't you think?
 
2013-04-30 09:31:02 AM  
"Well, now that the Christ has arrived, we can drop all those wacky Old Testament rules. Except for the ones we want to keep. Ignore the ones we don't want anymore, but if you break any of the ones we want to hold on to, you're going to Hell."
 
2013-04-30 09:36:18 AM  

Robert1966: "Well, now that the Christ has arrived, we can drop all those wacky Old Testament rules. Except for the ones we want to keep. Ignore the ones we don't want anymore, but if you break any of the ones we want to hold on to, you're going to Hell."


If there wasn't so much money in poly-blended fabrics, raw bars and time-and-a-half Sunday wages, I'm certain Christians would be humping the evils of those as well.  We just need to make being gay profitable, and Jesus will love it for reals!!!
 
2013-04-30 09:56:00 AM  

DmGdDawg: Vodka Zombie: No one in America is required or obligated to live in accordance with the Bible.

Why do Christians have such a hard time understanding this simple, simple thing?

It goes beyond stupidity.  Even the most intellectually damaged human being can grasp the concept of free will.  Christians just can't, and yet they think they are worth listening to.

Way to beat up that straw man!

I haven't heard anyone say Jason Collins shouldn't be allowed to do whatever he wants. He came out as gay and was received, for the most part, positively by the public. Broussard didn't say Collins should be put in prison or castrated. He said that engaging in homosexual (or premarital heterosexual) sex is a sin. Broussard having an opinion you don't agree with isn't the same as you being "obligated to live in accordance with the bible." Free will doesn't mean you can do whatever you want and everyone has to approve of it. Lots of things are morally wrong but not illegal.


You know, self-identified Christians back in the medieval era used to think that engaging in any kind of sexual activity, even exclusively procreative sexual activity with a spouse, was a sin that infinitely distanced you from the pure and uncorrupted God. They believed that the only way to be a devout follower of Christ was to be completely chaste and celibate because that's what God and Jesus are. Were these people not Real Christians™?
 
2013-04-30 10:06:10 AM  

DmGdDawg: tacos4jesus: DmGdDawg: Di Atribe: DmGdDawg: Few things in life are more predictable than the bible "experts" on Fark.

You're right. We're ignorant. Please tell us what Jesus had to say about homosexuals?

Christians, Some people who self-identify as "Christians," myself included, believe that the bible is the very word of God, written by men through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Jesus didn't have to repeat every commandment found elsewhere in the bible and He didn't offer some contradictory teaching to the rest of the bible.  Jesus never taught a new morality or that some things just simply weren't sins anymore:

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:17-19.

You sanctimonious SOB, please stop pretending that you speak for an entire group of people when you clearly don't.

Ok, thanks.

If you don't believe the bible, you're not a Christian. Not sure why that's so offensive to you. I don't believe the Quran so it wouldn't offend me if someone pointed out that I'm not a Muslim.


Spirituality trumps Christianity.  I don't need to believe in the bible to believe that there is a Supreme Being in the universe.
 
2013-04-30 10:23:04 AM  

Vodka Zombie: DmGdDawg: Vodka Zombie: No one in America is required or obligated to live in accordance with the Bible.

Why do Christians have such a hard time understanding this simple, simple thing?

It goes beyond stupidity.  Even the most intellectually damaged human being can grasp the concept of free will.  Christians just can't, and yet they think they are worth listening to.

Way to beat up that straw man!

I haven't heard anyone say Jason Collins shouldn't be allowed to do whatever he wants. He came out as gay and was received, for the most part, positively by the public. Broussard didn't say Collins should be put in prison or castrated. He said that engaging in homosexual (or premarital heterosexual) sex is a sin. Broussard having an opinion you don't agree with isn't the same as you being "obligated to live in accordance with the bible." Free will doesn't mean you can do whatever you want and everyone has to approve of it. Lots of things are morally wrong but not illegal.

Riiiight...  "Morally wrong."

You're enjoying putting words in my mouth (or, at my fingertips, as the case may be), aren't you?

The second you use the Bible (or any other holy book) to condemn the actions of someone, you've completely abandoned the concept of freedom that America claims to hold so very dear.

Aside from that, I don't think I ever said that Broussard wasn't entitled to his opinion.  Did I say that anywhere?  It was so long ago, and my memory just isn't what it used to be.

Oh.  I didn't say that, did I?

Weird that you would go to such lengths to accuse me of that while also criticizing me of "beating a straw man," don't you think?


Wait...so freedom means that not only can you do whatever you want, but you are also entitled to the approval of others? Or is it okay to be opposed to something someone else is doing as long as your opposition isn't based on the bible? Pretty creative approach, lol.

Aside from that, I don't think I ever said that Broussard wasn't entitled to his opinion.  Did I say that anywhere?

You said: No one in America is required or obligated to live in accordance with the Bible. Why do Christians have such a hard time understanding this simple, simple thing?

This was in a comment about the Broussard story. Who is this mythical Christian you speak of that is saying that people in America are "required or obligate to live in accordance with the Bible."? I don't know any Christian, myself included, who thinks that or even suggested that. Saying "homosexuality is a sin" isn't the same as saying people shouldn't be allowed to be homosexuals in America. That's why I accused you (rightly) of beating up a strawman. You yourself acknowledge that Broussard is entitled to his opinion, so what's your beef with him?
 
2013-04-30 10:23:47 AM  

Vodka Zombie: No one in America is required or obligated to live in accordance with the Bible.

Why do Christians have such a hard time understanding this simple, simple thing?

It goes beyond stupidity.  Even the most intellectually damaged human being can grasp the concept of free will.  Christians just can't, and yet they think they are worth listening to.


Why would you berate Collins like that?

For everyone that is saying you can be a Christian and not follow their rules: religions are like country clubs. They don't have to let you in and they can kick you out if you don't follow their rules, no matter how stupid a rule might be.
 
2013-04-30 10:25:53 AM  

Serious Black: DmGdDawg: Vodka Zombie: No one in America is required or obligated to live in accordance with the Bible.

Why do Christians have such a hard time understanding this simple, simple thing?

It goes beyond stupidity.  Even the most intellectually damaged human being can grasp the concept of free will.  Christians just can't, and yet they think they are worth listening to.

Way to beat up that straw man!

I haven't heard anyone say Jason Collins shouldn't be allowed to do whatever he wants. He came out as gay and was received, for the most part, positively by the public. Broussard didn't say Collins should be put in prison or castrated. He said that engaging in homosexual (or premarital heterosexual) sex is a sin. Broussard having an opinion you don't agree with isn't the same as you being "obligated to live in accordance with the bible." Free will doesn't mean you can do whatever you want and everyone has to approve of it. Lots of things are morally wrong but not illegal.

You know, self-identified Christians back in the medieval era used to think that engaging in any kind of sexual activity, even exclusively procreative sexual activity with a spouse, was a sin that infinitely distanced you from the pure and uncorrupted God. They believed that the only way to be a devout follower of Christ was to be completely chaste and celibate because that's what God and Jesus are. Were these people not Real Christians™?


Thanks for the made up history lesson. People in medieval days who didn't believe the bible weren't Christians anymore than people today who don't believe the bible.
 
2013-04-30 10:31:39 AM  

Dr Dreidel: Let's ask Chris about working on the Sabbath (they do still play games on The Lord's Day, correct?), turning the other cheek (which happens ALL the time when the benches clear, right?), casting the first stone (which admittedly, this wasn't - just Broussard being an idiot) or any of a hundred other things mentioned many multiples of times and in less-uncertain language than teh ghey.

Actually, Chris - how do you feel about the ~half of the NBA that has illegitimate kids? Are they also not Christian? You wanna take some time and call them ALLLLLL out by name, like you did with JColl? How about the ones with rap sheets longer than their stat sheets?

Oh, just teh ghey is a problem? Well, go sit on a railroad spike, buddy.


To be fair to Chris, his rant did mention premarital heterosexual sex as also wrong and unchristian.

I think your general view is valid overall and I am not sure why other evangelicals take a hard line against homosexuality but not other sexual sins (by hard line I mean not only opposing it on moral grounds but attacking and demeaning those who practice it).
 
2013-04-30 10:39:20 AM  

DmGdDawg: Serious Black: DmGdDawg: Vodka Zombie: No one in America is required or obligated to live in accordance with the Bible.

Why do Christians have such a hard time understanding this simple, simple thing?

It goes beyond stupidity.  Even the most intellectually damaged human being can grasp the concept of free will.  Christians just can't, and yet they think they are worth listening to.

Way to beat up that straw man!

I haven't heard anyone say Jason Collins shouldn't be allowed to do whatever he wants. He came out as gay and was received, for the most part, positively by the public. Broussard didn't say Collins should be put in prison or castrated. He said that engaging in homosexual (or premarital heterosexual) sex is a sin. Broussard having an opinion you don't agree with isn't the same as you being "obligated to live in accordance with the bible." Free will doesn't mean you can do whatever you want and everyone has to approve of it. Lots of things are morally wrong but not illegal.

You know, self-identified Christians back in the medieval era used to think that engaging in any kind of sexual activity, even exclusively procreative sexual activity with a spouse, was a sin that infinitely distanced you from the pure and uncorrupted God. They believed that the only way to be a devout follower of Christ was to be completely chaste and celibate because that's what God and Jesus are. Were these people not Real Christians™?

Thanks for the made up history lesson. People in medieval days who didn't believe the bible weren't Christians anymore than people today who don't believe the bible.


How do you know they didn't believe the Bible (whatever the Hell that means)? How do you know that any specific person living today who claims to be a Christian doesn't really believe the Bible?

Let's go with an extreme example: Westboro Baptist Church. The church and its members self-identify as Christian. They consistently cite passages from the Bible during their protests. Their amicus curiae brief in support of DOMA for the case US v. Windsor lists several passages from the Bible in their table of authorities. Yet I'm not sure I know any other self-identified Christians who think they're even remotely sane, let alone Christian. My uncle (a Catholic priest for 40+ years) commented that he has absolutely no idea what part of the Bible can be used as a defense of their gross behavior.

So, who judges whether somebody is actually a Christian?
 
2013-04-30 10:54:44 AM  
Serious Black:
So, who judges whether somebody is actually a Christian?

Clearly, it's DmGdDawg.  Duh.  I'm pretty sure that's in the Bible.
 
2013-04-30 10:58:04 AM  

Serious Black: DmGdDawg: Serious Black: DmGdDawg: Vodka Zombie: No one in America is required or obligated to live in accordance with the Bible.

Why do Christians have such a hard time understanding this simple, simple thing?

It goes beyond stupidity.  Even the most intellectually damaged human being can grasp the concept of free will.  Christians just can't, and yet they think they are worth listening to.

Way to beat up that straw man!

I haven't heard anyone say Jason Collins shouldn't be allowed to do whatever he wants. He came out as gay and was received, for the most part, positively by the public. Broussard didn't say Collins should be put in prison or castrated. He said that engaging in homosexual (or premarital heterosexual) sex is a sin. Broussard having an opinion you don't agree with isn't the same as you being "obligated to live in accordance with the bible." Free will doesn't mean you can do whatever you want and everyone has to approve of it. Lots of things are morally wrong but not illegal.

You know, self-identified Christians back in the medieval era used to think that engaging in any kind of sexual activity, even exclusively procreative sexual activity with a spouse, was a sin that infinitely distanced you from the pure and uncorrupted God. They believed that the only way to be a devout follower of Christ was to be completely chaste and celibate because that's what God and Jesus are. Were these people not Real Christians™?

Thanks for the made up history lesson. People in medieval days who didn't believe the bible weren't Christians anymore than people today who don't believe the bible.

How do you know they didn't believe the Bible (whatever the Hell that means)? How do you know that any specific person living today who claims to be a Christian doesn't really believe the Bible?

Let's go with an extreme example: Westboro Baptist Church. The church and its members self-identify as Christian. They consistently cite passages from the Bible during their protests. ...


God will ultimately judge. Sure, there are people who claim to believe the bible who really don't. There are people like that in every church and even in may pulpits. The bible warns against such people and there are certainly warning signs, but only God knows someone's heart.

However, if someone plainly states that they don't believe the bible it isn't difficult to know that they aren't really saved. That includes the people from Westboro, not because of their abhorrent "protests", but because they preach false doctrine about salvation. They don't teach salvation by faith in Christ alone, they teach that you must also live a certain way. That's called works salvation and is the opposite of the genuine gospel.

That's not to say that every Christian has a perfect understanding of the bible. Most Christians (even genuine born-again believers) don't study the bible and often they go to really weak churches. It's common for believers to be mixed up on some doctrine because of ignorance. However, a genuine believer will believe when shown what the bible says. I don't mean that Christians will always live morally upright lives; the bible is filled with examples of saved people who did a lot of bad things. David committed murder and adultery, for example. But an authentic Christian, when shown a biblical truth, won't simply refuse to believe it to be true. David, for example, never claimed murder and adultery were A-OK, he just failed to live up to God's standard. In that situation, he was a hypocrite and God's prophet called him out as such. But David didn't bow up and claim that what he did was a good thing, he confessed and sought mercy from God for his sin. That is vastly different from people who simply reject the bible's clear teaching about certain sins because it doesn't align with their world view.
 
2013-04-30 10:59:41 AM  
DmGdDawg:
God will ultimately judge.

Yeah, of course, but I mean, you've got a pretty good idea though, right?  Eh?  AMIRITE? /nudge nudge, wink wink

/douche
 
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