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2013-04-29 06:48:01 PM  
Robert J. Sawyer has an interesting writeup on why he still uses WordStar to write his novels, and how it's closer to "writing longhand" than most other word processors:

http://www.sfwriter.com/wordstar.htm
 
2013-04-29 07:26:50 PM  
Every REAL writer knows the only suitable medium is a clay tablet!
 
2013-04-29 07:34:24 PM  
There are certain brainstorming and structure techniques that are best done with pen and paper.  But the actual writing itself should be done with whatever you are most comfortable with.
 
2013-04-29 07:41:31 PM  
Writing with a pen and paper is fine. The problem comes when you have to read what you wrote.
 
2013-04-29 07:43:18 PM  
If I had a nickel for everyone idiot who called themselves a "writer", I'd be rich.
 
2013-04-29 07:47:40 PM  
I just got myself a bottle of Noodler's Walnut ink, an Ahab, and a Parker 51 Aerometric, so I'm getting a real kick out of this discussion.
 
2013-04-29 07:48:39 PM  
I disagree. I generally type the same way I talk. I don't need to handle a pen to communicate effectively. However, once in a while, I'll grab a number 2 and get freaky.
 
2013-04-29 07:52:16 PM  
Oh yeah?  Well I am going to go write some fanfiction using word 2013!!!
 
2013-04-29 07:53:16 PM  

Lord Dimwit: Robert J. Sawyer has an interesting writeup on why he still uses WordStar to write his novels, and how it's closer to "writing longhand" than most other word processors:

www.agileproductdesign.com


;-)
 
2013-04-29 07:56:59 PM  
Just as long as you don't write on any cockadoodie Corrasable Bond!
 
2013-04-29 08:01:43 PM  
I agree with the idea, but not the articles reasons.
Generally, people that will write on paper (or a typewriter) are making more of a commitment.  It takes effort.  You won't go to that much trouble if you don't really want to write something.

Any idiot with a keyboard or a phone can type something. Often without thought, almost certainly without merit, and undoubtedly without talent.
Mashing the keys to make words isn't the same thing as being a writer.
 
2013-04-29 08:13:39 PM  
All I ever use.
 www.tigerpens.co.uk
 
2013-04-29 08:16:08 PM  
Some people write standing up.  Some write upside-down.  Hemingway wrote naked.  Whatever calls you muse.
 
2013-04-29 08:21:53 PM  
Patrick Bateman: New card. What do you think?
Craig McDermott: Whoa-ho. Very nice. Look at that.
Patrick Bateman: Picked them up from the printer's yesterday.
David Van Patten: Good coloring.
Patrick Bateman: That's bone. And the lettering is something called Silian Rail.
David Van Patten: It's very cool, Bateman, but that's nothing. Look at this.
Timothy Bryce: That is really nice.
David Van Patten: Eggshell with Romalian type. What do you think?
Patrick Bateman: Nice.
Timothy Bryce: Jesus. That is really super. How'd a nitwit like you get so tasteful?
Patrick Bateman: [Thinking] I can't believe that Bryce prefers Van Patten's card to mine.
Timothy Bryce: But wait. You ain't seen nothin' yet. Raised lettering, pale nimbus. White.
Patrick Bateman: Impressive. Very nice.
David Van Patten: Hmm.
Patrick Bateman: Let's see Paul Allen's card.
Patrick Bateman: [Thinking] Look at that subtle off-white coloring. The tasteful thickness of it. Oh, my God. It even has a watermark.
Luis Carruthers: Is something wrong, Patrick? You're sweating.
 
2013-04-29 08:51:55 PM  
I'm too poor for Montblancs. Fortunately, Asian cultures tend to use fountain pens a lot more than we do as everyday writing instruments, which leads to cheap fountain pens with reasonably solid construction, and that function pretty well. Look up Baoer on ebay. Speaking from experience, the 100 and 388 models are both winners.

Get yourself two pens, a bottle of something conservative (like a nice dark blue) and a bottle of something interesting (I have a half red, half brown color I've been liking, though green is also a fun one to fit this bill), and you're good to go. I use pretty standard legal pads. Not the best, but whatever. I have some nicer paper if I'm writing something I plan to actually send someone.
 
2013-04-29 08:59:39 PM  

xenomorpheus: Patrick Bateman: New card. What do you think?
Craig McDermott: Whoa-ho. Very nice. Look at that.
Patrick Bateman: Picked them up from the printer's yesterday.
David Van Patten: Good coloring.
Patrick Bateman: That's bone. And the lettering is something called Silian Rail.
David Van Patten: It's very cool, Bateman, but that's nothing. Look at this.
Timothy Bryce: That is really nice.
David Van Patten: Eggshell with Romalian type. What do you think?
Patrick Bateman: Nice.
Timothy Bryce: Jesus. That is really super. How'd a nitwit like you get so tasteful?
Patrick Bateman: [Thinking] I can't believe that Bryce prefers Van Patten's card to mine.
Timothy Bryce: But wait. You ain't seen nothin' yet. Raised lettering, pale nimbus. White.
Patrick Bateman: Impressive. Very nice.
David Van Patten: Hmm.
Patrick Bateman: Let's see Paul Allen's card.
Patrick Bateman: [Thinking] Look at that subtle off-white coloring. The tasteful thickness of it. Oh, my God. It even has a watermark.
Luis Carruthers: Is something wrong, Patrick? You're sweating.


Wow. I thought of this reference too. Then again, I can work a scene from that movie into almost Fark thread. I'm weird that way.

Read the book. It makes the movie look like (insert the most non-offensive, non-violent movie you can think of).
 
2013-04-29 09:04:01 PM  
this is why my headlines are never approved. I always write them down and mail them to Fark, Inc. head office.
 
2013-04-29 09:16:50 PM  

Spare Me: I disagree. I generally type the same way I talk.


Eh....depending on the person that is usually the problem.  GOOD writing is rarely done the "same way" we talk.
 
2013-04-29 09:39:01 PM  
Nobody give <b>Pocket Ninja</b> a pen... the world may not survive.
 
2013-04-29 09:39:37 PM  
HTML fail 4 me.
 
2013-04-29 09:53:15 PM  

ds615: Any idiot with a keyboard or a phone can type something. Often without thought, almost certainly without merit, and undoubtedly without talent.
Mashing the keys to make words isn't the same thing as being a writer.


You've proven it.
 
2013-04-29 09:54:51 PM  

Ambivalence: Spare Me: I disagree. I generally type the same way I talk.

Eh....depending on the person that is usually the problem.  GOOD writing is rarely done the "same way" we talk.


Disagree.

Naturalistic dialogue is something a lot of writers can't manage to save their lives, and it's a hallmark of truly believable characters. Bad writers will often load their dialogue with platitudes and extended phrases that no one would use IRL. To quote Harrison Ford on the set of Star Wars, "George, you can write this shiat but you can't say it!"
 
rpm
2013-04-29 09:55:30 PM  
Approves

upload.wikimedia.org

/hot like molten gold
 
2013-04-29 10:14:20 PM  
Pen and notebook for outlining and other note scribbling.

Computer for actual composing.

Pen (red) on the hardcopy for revision notes.
 
2013-04-29 10:14:43 PM  
Some people are too clumsy with a pen to do a good comic sans though.
 
2013-04-29 10:29:06 PM  

Ennuipoet: Every REAL writer knows the only suitable medium is a clay tablet!


Clay tablets are for pussies. Stone tablets are best. A good sharp chisel and five pound sledge, and you'll be cranking out the Great American Novel™ in no time!
 
2013-04-29 10:45:47 PM  
@rpm - When I was at the Sci-Fi/Fantasy Hall of Fame, I saw the handwritten manuscript for the Baroque Cycle. Was a ponderous paper tower, indeed.
 
2013-04-29 10:47:56 PM  
To certain others in this thread: you sicken me. True storytelling is done with grunts and pantomime.
 
2013-04-29 10:52:22 PM  

Spanky_McFarksalot: this is why my headlines are never approved. I always write them down and mail them to Fark, Inc. head office.


So you're the reason we get so many [oldnewsissoexcitin.jpg]?

*plonk*
 
2013-04-29 10:53:23 PM  

ComicBookGuy: To certain others in this thread: you sicken me. True storytelling is done with grunts and pantomime.


Pantomime and grunting insists upon itself. It's gotta be cave painting all the way.
 
2013-04-29 10:58:41 PM  

Lord Dimwit: Robert J. Sawyer has an interesting writeup on why he still uses WordStar to write his novels, and how it's closer to "writing longhand" than most other word processors:

http://www.sfwriter.com/wordstar.htm


That article is 23 years old.
 
2013-04-29 11:07:00 PM  
I've always enjoyed the physical act of writing, and it's the way I was able to memorize things for tests and such. I don't need it for creative writing, though.

However, if I'm editing, print that shiat out and get me a pencil. I can't edit for shiat on a computer screen; I blame the 90s chat culture for teaching me to skip typos too automatically.

/editing is one of the main reasons this Farkette hates reading newspapers and most published books now; everyone seems to have fired their copyeditors
 
2013-04-29 11:07:15 PM  

Dragonflew: Lord Dimwit: Robert J. Sawyer has an interesting writeup on why he still uses WordStar to write his novels, and how it's closer to "writing longhand" than most other word processors:

http://www.sfwriter.com/wordstar.htm

That article is 23 years old.


True, but he has more recently (2008 or so) reconfirmed that he still uses WordStar.
 
2013-04-29 11:11:05 PM  
Peter Balbert has been saying this same thing since word processors hit the market (and possibly before then).
 
2013-04-29 11:13:40 PM  

ComicBookGuy: @rpm - When I was at the Sci-Fi/Fantasy Hall of Fame, I saw the handwritten manuscript for the Baroque Cycle. Was a ponderous paper tower, indeed.


Of all the great things that man has written, the agressively tedious and not remotely interesting pile of paper is what they put in there?  Seriously? I've taken massive shiats I found more compelling than that navel gazing pile of boredom.
 
2013-04-29 11:14:46 PM  
CSB, YMMV: I'm trying to write a novel write now. I really do find the words "flow" better via pen and paper than typing. I don't get hung up on editing words I just put down, either, due to lack of backspace and positioning keys. I'm getting my first revising when I type up what I did by hand.
 
2013-04-29 11:23:23 PM  
And the best way to listen to music is a gramophone! The best television is black and white! Belts are best with onions!
 
2013-04-29 11:45:53 PM  
I'm taking a college writing composition class right now. Pen and paper is best for my rough draft, though it looks a series of crossed out and re-drawn chicken scratches.
 
2013-04-30 12:06:15 AM  
I think better with a pen and have 3 Fountains that I live by,

A Monteverde Invincia Black Tie fine point that I received for my retirement

A Parker Vector fine (black plastic) that I've had since 2001

and my daily use is the disposable Pilot Vector in black.  Love it, and at $3 a steal.
 
2013-04-30 12:12:51 AM  

lokis_mentor: I think better with a pen and have 3 Fountains that I live by,

A Monteverde Invincia Black Tie fine point that I received for my retirement

A Parker Vector fine (black plastic) that I've had since 2001

and my daily use is the disposable Pilot Vector Varsityin black.  Love it, and at $3 a steal.

FTFM

 
2013-04-30 12:16:51 AM  
The best creative writing is done on Big Chief tablet paper.
 
2013-04-30 12:29:55 AM  
Oh crap. I had a Mont Blanc pen once. Had no idea it was so valuable. Ran down to the car where I thought it was in the door pocket and only found some old Waterman.
 
2013-04-30 12:52:50 AM  
I'm a writer.  I am more effective with a keyboard than writing longhand, simply because I get cramps and arthritis when I try to write several thousand words with a pen, and because I cannot write or print as fast as I can type.

I do keep a pen and paper around for notes, ideas, and synopsis, but I don't see ever writing an entire novel using only longhand.

/At the very least, it's a pain in the ass to convert longhand to typesetting for editing and publication.
 
2013-04-30 01:11:08 AM  
Brushed up my Gregg a couple of weekends ago, getting a kick out of this...
 
2013-04-30 02:43:18 AM  
And record players are better than digital music players. Horses are better than automobiles. Prayer works better than medicine.
 
2013-04-30 03:18:17 AM  

ModernLuddite: And record players are better than digital music players. Horses are better than automobiles. Prayer works better than medicine.


What's even better is tapping out every single letter on a tablet. No stylus. Just your dumb fat finger poking out every letter of your grand work to challenge Ulysses.
 
2013-04-30 05:53:08 AM  
I'd like to argue this view with 2 points:

1) My handwriting is worse than a doctors. I often make mistakes when writing, hand slippage, thinking about one thing and writing another. Me writing on something when my life doesn't depend on it usually looks pretty damn messy.

2) Spellcheck on a PC. Can correct anything right then and there. Made a typo? Thought of some phrase/word/ sentence to use that would fit much better than the one you just used? Backspace and retype.

PS: 3) Google
 
2013-04-30 05:53:18 AM  
I used to have to write in longhand first, but since I can type at 75wpm I now find that I can type faster than
I can think, whereas my handwriting is chicken scratch even when I do it slowly and deliberately.

/Abiword FTW
 
2013-04-30 07:31:15 AM  
I write everything in google docs so I don't have to worry about where that farking notebook is or what random page that song is on. Now I just have to worry about what that farking file is called and the inadequacy of the search function.
 
2013-04-30 10:11:10 AM  

RockofAges: I do all composition in OO or, for articles, Google Drive. I upload all works of fiction to Google Drive as well for collaborative editing with clients.


Yep.  I like writing freehand, but there's just so many more reasons to type now.  Storing it on Drive means I don't have to worry about losing data, and as you mentioned the collaborative functions.  The new Nook publishing program looks to incorporate some similar features of Google Drive...but they somehow forgot to add the ability to revise published works.
 
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