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2013-04-29 08:54:07 PM
Italy and Tunisia signed a peace treaty in the 1980s...officially ending the Punic Wars
 
2013-04-29 09:18:54 PM
not terribly surprising. Japan's defeat of russia in '05 signaled there was a new player on the block and the czar's days were numbered.

bitter feelings die hard, with a vengeance.
 
2013-04-29 09:21:52 PM

Omahawg: not terribly surprising. Japan's defeat of russia in '05 signaled there was a new player on the block and the czar's days were numbered.

bitter feelings die hard, with a vengeance.


The new player burned themselves out rather quickly then.
 
2013-04-29 09:22:12 PM
NK will be involved in this.  Japan will cede a little on the islands in exchange for Russia ostracizing NK or deporting their sneaky lumber slave camps across the Russian border.
 
2013-04-29 09:22:35 PM
Think they just translated the surrender into Russia and changed the nations?
 
2013-04-29 09:26:25 PM

talan123: Omahawg: not terribly surprising. Japan's defeat of russia in '05 signaled there was a new player on the block and the czar's days were numbered.

bitter feelings die hard, with a vengeance.

The new player burned themselves out rather quickly then.


No...I think that was Curtis Lemay.
 
2013-04-29 09:27:10 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Italy and Tunisia signed a peace treaty in the 1980s...officially ending the Punic Wars


That would probably be the record for longest, except for when Congress killed the SDI project.
 
2013-04-29 09:27:25 PM

Omahawg: not terribly surprising. Japan's defeat of russia in '05 signaled there was a new player on the block and the czar's days were numbered.

bitter feelings die hard, with a vengeance.


Given the way the Russians treated the Japanese during World War II and the atrocities committed against Japanese Prisoners, I'd say they got their vengeance pretty good.

The fun thing is, had Japan not surrendered to the United States, there's a good chance that a large portion of the island might have been Russian throughout the Cold War. The Russians were planning to Zerg the Island for themselves.
 
2013-04-29 09:27:33 PM
shiat. They were best buds near the end of WW2 and were in the process of making a peace treaty to end the war, but then some country dropped two nukes on Japan to get their arm held high as the victor and its spoils.

/And thus the cold war began.
 
2013-04-29 09:29:17 PM
Tomorrows headline: Putin demands a Nobel Peace Prize for officially ending World War II.
 
2013-04-29 09:29:21 PM
Russia occupies the land and Japan lost the war sooooo...I say give it to Russia.  Whadiwin.
 
2013-04-29 09:31:06 PM

sheep snorter: shiat. They were best buds near the end of WW2 and were in the process of making a peace treaty to end the war, but then some country dropped two nukes on Japan to get their arm held high as the victor and its spoils.

/And thus the cold war began.


Surely you're not serious. The Soviets were going to steamroll them.
 
2013-04-29 09:31:32 PM
Which is nice.
 
2013-04-29 09:35:14 PM
I suspect Honest Abe looked Putin in the eye, found him straightforward and trustworthy, and had a good dialogue.
 
2013-04-29 09:37:36 PM
Well I'm glad that's over with.
Because it seemed to escalate quickly.
 
2013-04-29 09:42:45 PM
Better late than never - applies to menstrual cycles and sworn enemies.
 
2013-04-29 09:45:05 PM
I think Germany just finished paying reparations for WW1 a year or two ago. Now maybe the U.S. and Britain can issue a formal apology to Iran for toppling a democratically elected government at the request of British Petroleum. And maybe monkeys will fly out of my butt.
 
2013-04-29 09:48:31 PM
Sometimes things just get put off for a while. This reminds me, I need to clean the garage.
 
2013-04-29 09:52:04 PM
Geopolitical leverage is all about control of energy and Japan ain't got many options. It's going all in on methane hydrate.
 
2013-04-29 10:02:25 PM
Russia needs the land.

After all they are so small, and Japan is soooo big.
 
2013-04-29 10:03:29 PM

sloshed_again: Russia needs the land.

After all they are so small, and Japan is soooo big.


They just need some breathing room, some  liebensbaum.
 
2013-04-29 10:04:49 PM

Red Shirt Blues: talan123: Omahawg: not terribly surprising. Japan's defeat of russia in '05 signaled there was a new player on the block and the czar's days were numbered.

bitter feelings die hard, with a vengeance.

The new player burned themselves out rather quickly then.

No...I think that was Curtis Lemay.


Wicked burn!
 
2013-04-29 10:12:19 PM

hardinparamedic: sloshed_again: Russia needs the land.

After all they are so small, and Japan is soooo big.

They just need some breathing room, some  liebensbaum.


I'm sure there is plenty of fresh air in Siberia.

I need another HIT   of fresh air
 
2013-04-29 10:12:31 PM

hardinparamedic: sheep snorter: shiat. They were best buds near the end of WW2 and were in the process of making a peace treaty to end the war, but then some country dropped two nukes on Japan to get their arm held high as the victor and its spoils.

/And thus the cold war began.

Surely you're not serious. The Soviets were going to steamroll them.


In mainland China sure...invading Japan itself?  probably not solo.  We'd have taken heavy casualties, and that was WITH a powerful navy...Russia would've taken at least a year just to build the sealift to get their guys over.
 
2013-04-29 10:12:49 PM

sloshed_again: Russia needs the land.

After all they are so small, and Japan is soooo big.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Zm6HzN5YVI

/take that, you longhorn Anti-Lenninists
 
2013-04-29 10:12:53 PM
The Russians were making up for lost time. They declared war on Japan August 8, 1945, Japan announced its surrender on August 15.
 
2013-04-29 10:14:30 PM
Strictly speaking, the Hundred Years' war didn't end until something like 1810, when the British formally renounced their claims to Aquitaine.
 
2013-04-29 10:14:44 PM

PunGent: In mainland China sure...invading Japan itself?  probably not solo.  We'd have taken heavy casualties, and that was WITH a powerful navy...Russia would've taken at least a year just to build the sealift to get their guys over.


Knowing the Russians, they would have just swam over, and shot anyone who tired out along the way.
 
2013-04-29 10:15:20 PM

hardinparamedic: Omahawg: not terribly surprising. Japan's defeat of russia in '05 signaled there was a new player on the block and the czar's days were numbered.

bitter feelings die hard, with a vengeance.

Given the way the Russians treated the Japanese during World War II and the atrocities committed against Japanese Prisoners, I'd say they got their vengeance pretty good.

The fun thing is, had Japan not surrendered to the United States, there's a good chance that a large portion of the island might have been Russian throughout the Cold War. The Russians were planning to Zerg the Island for themselves.


You'll note the Japanese were basically surrendering to the US during the Russian occupation of the Kurils.

Would have been very different if Russian had gone for, say, Honshu...the Japanese had spent a LOT of time and effort digging in.
 
2013-04-29 10:21:37 PM

Gregosaurus: sloshed_again: Russia needs the land.

After all they are so small, and Japan is soooo big.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Zm6HzN5YVI

/take that, you longhorn Anti-Lenninists


Funny, very Funny.

Thank you.
 
2013-04-29 10:39:00 PM

hardinparamedic: sloshed_again: Russia needs the land.

After all they are so small, and Japan is soooo big.

They just need some breathing room, some  liebensbaum.


Love trees?
 
2013-04-29 10:45:16 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Italy and Tunisia signed a peace treaty in the 1980s...officially ending the Punic Wars


how does that even work... they arent even remotely the same country... geographic and ancestors perhaps but country no?
 
2013-04-29 10:50:04 PM
Meanwhile in Russia...the dog and pony show.
Link
 
2013-04-29 10:58:20 PM
The two wrestled for hours with the problem that has stymied Russian and Japanese leaders for almost 70 years: how to find a mutually acceptable and hopefully profitable way to finally end World War II.

This is why I fail at politics. 
"Alright. You win. You get a yen. We good?"
"Ya, sureski!"

And I'm a WWII buff, but I don't get this crap. 

FunFact: USA vs. Seminole Nation...still a war.
 
2013-04-29 11:03:57 PM
Will they recognize Missourah?
 
2013-04-29 11:06:35 PM

hardinparamedic: sheep snorter: shiat. They were best buds near the end of WW2 and were in the process of making a peace treaty to end the war, but then some country dropped two nukes on Japan to get their arm held high as the victor and its spoils.

/And thus the cold war began.

Surely you're not serious. The Soviets were going to steamroll them.


gentlemint.com
 
2013-04-29 11:44:26 PM
They're a little late...
 
2013-04-29 11:49:46 PM
FTA: The outlines of a compromise have been apparent since 1956, when reformist Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev offered to return the two southernmost islands, Shikotan and Habomai, and Japan agreed that its claim to the other two was "weak." But the deal was never finalized, some say because the United States blocked it by warning Japan that this would create a legal precedent for the US to keep Okinawa.

a248.e.akamai.net
 
2013-04-29 11:52:47 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Italy and Tunisia signed a peace treaty in the 1980s...officially ending the Punic Wars


Do you have a citation for that? You've got me curious, but my Google-fu isn't finding anything.
 
2013-04-29 11:54:02 PM

bionicjoe: I'm a WWII buff, but I don't get this crap.


The basic idea is that the Kuril Islands are useful not because of their land mass (they're tiny), but because the nation that owns them owns the shipping lanes around them. Both Russia and Japan would like to own that stretch of ocean.

Since Russia currently enjoys possession of the islands, it has little reason to give them up. Since Japan historically owned the islands, it thinks it ought to have them back. The question is whether an official peace treaty is worth formally giving up their claims, for either side.

/historically, there was also the issue of the US liking there being tension between Japan and Russia right after WWII, and so discouraging Japan from ceding its claims at that point
 
2013-04-30 12:20:45 AM

Skyrmion: Lionel Mandrake: Italy and Tunisia signed a peace treaty in the 1980s...officially ending the Punic Wars

Do you have a citation for that? You've got me curious, but my Google-fu isn't finding anything.


http://www.apnewsarchive.com/1985/Rome-and-Carthage-Sign-Peace-Treat y- Ending-Punic-Wars-After-2-131-Years/id-9b6f6f5ba5be2408ff0502c7fb8abd5 b
 
2013-04-30 01:01:18 AM

sheep snorter: shiat. They were best buds near the end of WW2 and were in the process of making a peace treaty to end the war, but then some country dropped two nukes on Japan to get their arm held high as the victor and its spoils.

/And thus the cold war began.



=P
 
2013-04-30 01:03:29 AM
Uchiha_Cycliste:
=P


damnit, gotta learn to preview

sheep snorter:
shiat. They were best buds near the end of WW2 and were in the process of making a peace treaty to end the war, but then some country dropped two nukes on Japan to get their arm held high as the victor and its spoils.

/And thus the cold war began.


encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2013-04-30 01:10:42 AM
They should settle this over a nice game of Axis and Allies. I find that it eases hostilities, and never causes friends to be pissed off at one another.
 
2013-04-30 02:05:41 AM

Lionel Mandrake: Italy and Tunisia signed a peace treaty in the 1980s...officially ending the Punic Wars


But when will Carthage receive reparations!?
 
2013-04-30 02:36:53 AM

milsorgen: Lionel Mandrake: Italy and Tunisia signed a peace treaty in the 1980s...officially ending the Punic Wars

But when will Carthage receive reparations!?


I have plenty of salt for their wounds.
 
2013-04-30 03:05:06 AM
The hostilities were formally ended on the Missouri -- Japan surrendered to the Allies which includes the Russians.  This is just settling some of the mess leftover.
 
2013-04-30 03:43:05 AM

milsorgen: Lionel Mandrake: Italy and Tunisia signed a peace treaty in the 1980s...officially ending the Punic Wars

But when will Carthage receive reparations!?




Hannibal destroyed their legions.
 
2013-04-30 05:16:58 AM

TheMysteriousStranger: The hostilities were formally ended on the Missouri -- Japan surrendered to the Allies which includes the Russians.  This is just settling some of the mess leftover.


Correct. To be even more accurate, the hostilities were ended then in Nagasaki, at least for the time being. God help us when the next one riles up.
 
2013-04-30 05:28:11 AM

TheMysteriousStranger: The hostilities were formally ended on the Missouri -- Japan surrendered to the Allies which includes the Russians.  This is just settling some of the mess leftover.


Pff, nice try, troll.  As if commies were ever the America's  allies.
 
2013-04-30 05:59:57 AM

Fano: milsorgen: Lionel Mandrake: Italy and Tunisia signed a peace treaty in the 1980s...officially ending the Punic Wars

But when will Carthage receive reparations!?

I have plenty of salt for their wounds.


Too soon, man.
 
2013-04-30 07:10:46 AM
Where almost the entire world was at war during WWII including countries that was pretty much in it only on paper, It wouldnt surprise me if there was some countries still at war on paper.
 
2013-04-30 08:15:10 AM

sendtodave: TheMysteriousStranger: The hostilities were formally ended on the Missouri -- Japan surrendered to the Allies which includes the Russians.  This is just settling some of the mess leftover.

Pff, nice try, troll.  As if commies were ever the America's  allies.


Okay, not sure if serious.
Anyway this ordeal stems from an issue that also played into the hostilities between the USSR and the US.  Russia felt they should've gotten much more of Japan.  The US kept them from getting the main islands.  The whole Russia fought Japan on mainland Asia while we fought the island front, they wanted an equal share of the islands.  It really pissed them off when we gave the main islands back to the Japanese.  Which a lot of Americans felt the same way, except giving it over to the commies part.
 
2013-04-30 09:41:33 AM
This is the kind of thing that happens surprisingly often, yet nobody really pays attention to it in the U.S. Usually, it's because somebody declared war, then when the war ended, their government was no longer in existence to sign a peace treaty (or didn't show up at the peace conference). I think that happened to a couple of the Soviet states, where they were an independent country before WW2, but never signed a peace treaty because they became part of the USSR or some other larger country. And speaking of WW2, there wasn't a unified Germany to sign a treaty with after the war ended, so technically WW2 didn't end until the 90s.

Also, IIRC, the Dutch were still at war with the Isles of Scilly as recently as the 1980s, going all the way back to the English Civil War (Cromwell). That's over 300 years, more or less.
 
2013-04-30 11:42:05 AM

Red Shirt Blues: talan123: Omahawg: not terribly surprising. Japan's defeat of russia in '05 signaled there was a new player on the block and the czar's days were numbered.

bitter feelings die hard, with a vengeance.

The new player burned themselves out rather quickly then.

No...I think that was Curtis Lemay.


And J. Robert Oppenheimer.
 
2013-04-30 12:12:15 PM
I smell a porn movie in the works!
 
2013-04-30 12:42:57 PM

Starry Heavens: bionicjoe: I'm a WWII buff, but I don't get this crap.

The basic idea is that the Kuril Islands are useful not because of their land mass (they're tiny), but because the nation that owns them owns the shipping lanes around them. Both Russia and Japan would like to own that stretch of ocean.


They have some mineral wealth, too - metal ores and probably oil. There's a similar issue with the Spratly Islands, which a mountain goat would have trouble balancing on but which are claimed by at least six countries. Lots of seemingly insignificant bits of rock and mud turn out to be incredibly valuable when people take a closer look at them, and that's when these arguments start flaring up.
 
2013-04-30 04:48:49 PM

Sum Guye: Skyrmion: Lionel Mandrake: Italy and Tunisia signed a peace treaty in the 1980s...officially ending the Punic Wars

Do you have a citation for that? You've got me curious, but my Google-fu isn't finding anything.

http://www.apnewsarchive.com/1985/Rome-and-Carthage-Sign-Peace-Treat y- Ending-Punic-Wars-After-2-131-Years/id-9b6f6f5ba5be2408ff0502c7fb8abd5 b


Interesting, thanks.
 
2013-04-30 11:25:08 PM

sheep snorter: shiat. They were best buds near the end of WW2 and were in the process of making a peace treaty to end the war, but then some country dropped two nukes on Japan to get their arm held high as the victor and its spoils.

/And thus the cold war began.


Nope.
 
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