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(Mother Jones)   Here are 12 reactions to Jason Collins coming out, including Chelsea Clinton's for some reason   (motherjones.com ) divider line
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2013-04-29 01:29:16 PM  
The most amazing thing here is that Kobe Bryant refers to his fans as the Mamba Army.
 
2013-04-29 01:39:01 PM  
I learned from Bill Clinton's response to this that Jason Collins and Chelsea Clinton were friends in college.
 
2013-04-29 01:41:55 PM  
lol Chris Kluwe plays warcraft.
 
2013-04-29 01:43:58 PM  
My behavior wasn't an issue before, and it won't be one now. My conduct won't change. I still abide by the adage, "What happens in the locker room stays in the locker room." I'm still a model of discretion.

Does that mean he's not going to talk about all those sexy athlete orgies that I just KNOW go on in there?

/don't shatter my fantasies
 
2013-04-29 01:51:30 PM  

Aarontology: lol Chris Kluwe plays warcraft.


He's a massive nerd.
 
2013-04-29 01:54:09 PM  
This is 2013, isn't it?  The only proper reaction to ANYONE coming out:
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2013-04-29 01:54:36 PM  

Rincewind53: Aarontology: lol Chris Kluwe plays warcraft.

He's a massive nerd.


He once staged a photo in which he got Adrian Peterson to pose for the camera while holding a Magic: The Gathering deck.
 
2013-04-29 01:58:08 PM  
The "some reason" being, Subby, that (1) she's a famous person, and (2) she and Jason Collins were friends when they were both at Stanford.

In other news, Chelsea Clinton is old enough to have been a classmate of a 34-year-old NBA veteran  I did not realize this, but I just looked it up and it turns out she's 33 now.  Wow.
 
2013-04-29 02:04:47 PM  

nekom: This is 2013, isn't it?  The only proper reaction to ANYONE coming out:
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One would hope. And in most workplaces, it is.  But in the sports world, homophobia is alive and well, and any professional athelete coming out is a big deal.  There have been plenty of athletes who everyone pretty much assumed were gay (for example, Mike Piazza, who everyone pretty much assumes remained a "catcher" even when he wasn't wearing a chest protector and catcher's mask), but all of them stayed in the closet during their careers because they believed--with some justification--that they would not be accepted by their teammates, their opponents, or possibly sports fans if they ever came out.  He's really the first one to test that theory, though he's pretty much at the end of his NBA career anyway.
 
2013-04-29 02:05:10 PM  

nekom: This is 2013, isn't it? The only proper reaction to ANYONE coming out


Kind of my thought too.
 
2013-04-29 02:08:22 PM  

Cyberluddite: One would hope.


Why not just make it so? The more people like me and nekom who all but yawn at this kind of 'news', the better.
 
2013-04-29 02:17:32 PM  

nekom: This is 2013, isn't it?  The only proper reaction to ANYONE coming out:
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Dancin_In_Anson: Kind of my thought too.


What is it with people like you guys? You realize he is literally the firstgay person in the NFL, NBA, or MLB (the big three sports in America) to come out? But no, he's just some attention-whore I guess. I guess no prominent gay person should ever come out in public because god forbid the gays come out of the closet. After all, we solved homophobia already. It's not like gay marriage is specifically banned in 33 state constitutions, or gay teenagers commit suicide at a rate five times higher than other teenagers, or it's still legal to be fired from your job for being gay (and one state legislature just this month banned colleges from having non-discrimination policies).

But since you're so tired of hearing that people are gay, I guess all those gay folks should shut the hell up and get back in the closet.
 
2013-04-29 02:17:51 PM  

Cyberluddite: He's really the first one to test that theory, though he's pretty much at the end of his NBA career anyway.


Which is why, while admirable, I'm not sure this is that much different than some of the other ex-athletes from the major leagues who have come out after their playing days are over.   One interesting thing will be if a team does pick him up again next season, that will be a first step, but, he's a 34-year-old journeyman, it  wouldn't be a major deal if nobody decided to pick him up, and you couldn't really go "everyone is avoiding him because he's gay!" because of that.   Unfortunately, most likely, it is still going to be a big deal when an active player (on roster) who is a starter level player actually "comes out".
 
2013-04-29 02:18:02 PM  

Cyberluddite: nekom: This is 2013, isn't it?  The only proper reaction to ANYONE coming out:
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One would hope. And in most workplaces, it is.  But in the sports world, homophobia is alive and well, and any professional athelete coming out is a big deal.  There have been plenty of athletes who everyone pretty much assumed were gay (for example, Mike Piazza, who everyone pretty much assumes remained a "catcher" even when he wasn't wearing a chest protector and catcher's mask), but all of them stayed in the closet during their careers because they believed--with some justification--that they would not be accepted by their teammates, their opponents, or possibly sports fans if they ever came out.  He's really the first one to test that theory, though he's pretty much at the end of his NBA career anyway.


Well, if it is a first in sports, then I suppose I could say that I applaud it and hope that trend continues.  It's just not a big deal anymore, which is great.  When I was a kid growing up in the 80s, this would have been a bombshell and may well have been a career ender, now it's meh, so that's progress.

Now in the interest of full disclosure, I DO have gay relatives, so I'm perhaps more vocal than I would be otherwise, but even if it weren't a personal issue to me, I doubt I could ever bring myself to care about the fact that some people are gay.  There are a lot of problems in this country, and some people being gay simply isn't one of them.
 
2013-04-29 02:18:34 PM  
Like cyberluddite, nekom, and D_I_A, I fall squarely in the "meh" camp, and wish most folks would have the same reaction; however, as was pointed out to me a few weeks ago in a Kerry Rhodes thread, a gay player, currently on a roster, in one of the major four US sports coming out *is* a big deal, if for no other reason than to let all the gay kids who are scared about coming out that they are normal. They have no reason to lie to themselves and anyone else and try to force themselves to be "normal".

So, while I couldn't give two shiats if Jason is gay, there are plenty of people for whom he will be an inspiration. This announcement will quite literally help some kid not kill him or herself. This announcement is one giant step forward helping the vast majority of people have the same opinion that cyberluddite, nekom, and D_I_A, others and I currently hold.
 
2013-04-29 02:20:05 PM  

nekom: This is 2013, isn't it?  The only proper reaction to ANYONE coming out:
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Someday...unfortunately, someday hasn't arrived yet. Don't forget that quite a few Americans are still stuck in the 19th century. It will be quite a while before they make it to the 21st.
 
2013-04-29 02:20:27 PM  

Rincewind53: What is it with people like you guys?


What? That I don't give a shiat who he likes to have sex with? $10 says he doesn't give a shiat about my sexual habits. Point being is that as soon as we all quit giving a shiat about how the other guy gets his kicks the better off EVERYONE will be.
 
2013-04-29 02:23:49 PM  

nekom: It's just not a big deal anymore, which is great.


Except it is. He is the first. How is this not a big deal. He is literally  person number one. Which is a big deal, because it has  never happened before.

I just don't understand where you're coming from.

Dancin_In_Anson: What? That I don't give a shiat who he likes to have sex with? $10 says he doesn't give a shiat about my sexual habits. Point being is that as soon as we all quit giving a shiat about how the other guy gets his kicks the better off EVERYONE will be.


Yes, because being gay is totally only about sexual habits.
 
2013-04-29 02:23:53 PM  
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2013-04-29 02:27:47 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Rincewind53: What is it with people like you guys?

What? That I don't give a shiat who he likes to have sex with? $10 says he doesn't give a shiat about my sexual habits. Point being is that as soon as we all quit giving a shiat about how the other guy gets his kicks the better off EVERYONE will be.


But, you do recognize that, unfortunately, there is a large minority who DO care and will (and probably are as we speak) vilifying him.   And that is why he is the first "active" (ie, not retired) player to come out in a major US MENS sport.... that needs to be highlighted as part of this, since there are I believe many active female WNBA, Tennis, LPGA, soccer players who are "out".  That also points out the schism there is with the general "acceptance" of female vs. male homosexuality in this country as well, especially among men, although part of that as well just has to do with the diminished position women's sports as a spectator event has in the U.S.
 
2013-04-29 02:27:50 PM  
There are plenty of topics I don't give a damn about; what is it about this news that makes people coming running in to say how little of a damn they give about it?
 
2013-04-29 02:29:12 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: So, while I couldn't give two shiats if Jason is gay, there are plenty of people for whom he will be an inspiration. This announcement will quite literally help some kid not kill him or herself. This announcement is one giant step forward helping the vast majority of people have the same opinion that cyberluddite, nekom, and D_I_A, others and I currently hold.


Exactly. That's what pisses me the hell off about the "meh" crowd. Because it's so goddamn small-minded. It screams "Because I'm okay with it that means the problem is solved." It speaks of a complete lack of empathy towards people who are still in the closet, and a deliberate ignorance towards the  actual deaths that are being caused, the families that are destroyed, the lives that are damaged, because of how gay people are treated in our society.
 
2013-04-29 02:29:38 PM  

JerseyTim: Not included:
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Those tweets appear to be deleted, with this in its place:

Never said anything was right or wrong I just said I don't understand!! Deeply sorry for anyone that I offended
 
2013-04-29 02:30:36 PM  

BunkoSquad: There are plenty of topics I don't give a damn about; what is it about this news that makes people coming running in to say how little of a damn they give about it?


All the same people who decide to come into threads about "Such and such B-list entertainment star" and say "Who?"
 
2013-04-29 02:30:43 PM  
Rincewind53, I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish, unless jumping to conclusion is what you're trying to accomplish.

You are attacking people for having the exact reaction you would presumably wish everyone will eventually have, namely, not to care about someone's sexual orientation.

/Being gay is *by definition* only about someone's sexual habits.
//Being great at interior design is just a happy coincidence.
 
2013-04-29 02:30:44 PM  

BunkoSquad: There are plenty of topics I don't give a damn about; what is it about this news that makes people coming running in to say how little of a damn they give about it?


Gay is icky, don't talk about it to me, I don't want to hear about your gay sex you gay person.

Because to many people, as Dancing_in_Anson showed above, believe "Being gay = sexual habit." Even if these people are vocal supporters of the right to be gay, they still make that mistake.
 
2013-04-29 02:31:06 PM  

dletter: JerseyTim: Not included:
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Those tweets appear to be deleted, with this in its place:

Never said anything was right or wrong I just said I don't understand!! Deeply sorry for anyone that I offended


Classic backpedal.
 
2013-04-29 02:33:57 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: You are attacking people for having the exact reaction you would presumably wish everyone will eventually have, namely, not to care about someone's sexual orientation.


I'm attacking people for publicly saying that we should ignore people who are coming out of the closet.  Because as you pointed out, children are dying because of how gays are treated. And telling people who are coming out of the closet that they should shut up and just be gay to their personal friends and acquaintances is to demand that gay people go back under the radar. Because our culture presumes people are straight until proven gay, and now that gays have achieved some level of acquaintance  straight people are starting to say "How dare you prove that you're gay in public, keep that shiat to yourself."
 
2013-04-29 02:34:09 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: Rincewind53, I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish, unless jumping to conclusion is what you're trying to accomplish.

You are attacking people for having the exact reaction you would presumably wish everyone will eventually have, namely, not to care about someone's sexual orientation.

/Being gay is *by definition* only about someone's sexual habits.
//Being great at interior design is just a happy coincidence.


Go look at Steelers WR Mike Wallace's tweet.... that is why this is a "big deal".  And the next few (especially the first in each league) will be a "big deal", until it's become commonplace enough that everyone reacts "meh" like you.
 
2013-04-29 02:37:18 PM  

Rincewind53: straight people are starting to say "How dare you prove that you're gay in public, keep that shiat to yourself."


And how many of those same people will wear a wedding ring, or talk about someone they've dated, or show pictures of the wife-n-kids, without any sense of how easy it is for them and how easy it's not for other people.
 
2013-04-29 02:37:53 PM  

BunkoSquad: wear a wedding ring, or talk about someone they've dated, or show pictures of the wife-n-kids


Well....hopefully not all at the same time.
 
2013-04-29 02:38:22 PM  
To be fair to Mike Wallace, being drafted by the Steelers does make a person a self-entitled douchebag.
 
2013-04-29 02:38:57 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: /Being gay is *by definition* only about someone's sexual habits.


Sorry, forgot to address this.

No. Being gay is  not about someone's sexual habits, it's about their  orientation. Who they are attracted to. If you say being gay is by definition about their  sexual habits, you get people who think all gay men have anal sex, and that all gay men want to suck their cock, or all gay man are sex fiends, etc....

A gay person is someone who is  attracted to men. A gay person does not have to have sex with other gay people to be gay. A gay person can be entirely celibate and have literally no sexual habits other than jerking off. A straight person similarly does not have to ever have sex with the opposite sex in order to be straight.

Gay = Sex is a mistake that leads to ridiculous comments like the one above, were  DIA made the comparison between being gay and what he personally did in his bedroom. Because being in love with another person of the same gender is totally the same kind of thing as whether you like to be on top or not.
 
2013-04-29 02:40:01 PM  
Jason Collins coming out = Big Deal

Everyone after Collins coming out = meh
 
2013-04-29 02:40:03 PM  

BunkoSquad: Rincewind53: straight people are starting to say "How dare you prove that you're gay in public, keep that shiat to yourself."

And how many of those same people will wear a wedding ring, or talk about someone they've dated, or show pictures of the wife-n-kids, without any sense of how easy it is for them and how easy it's not for other people.


Exactly. The cultural presumption is that you're straight, and coming out is the necessary way of saying "Actually, no."
 
2013-04-29 02:40:09 PM  

Rincewind53: I just don't understand where you're coming from.


The entire concept that there are still segments of American society who are discriminated against runs counter to a certain worldview (i.e., bootstraps).

To admit that this country still has an injustice and inequality problem is admitting that the core tenets of a certain political belief are flawed.
 
2013-04-29 02:40:50 PM  

Rincewind53: Yes, because being gay is totally only about sexual habits.


What else would you use as a definition?

dletter: But, you do recognize that, unfortunately, there is a large minority who DO care and will (and probably are as we speak) vilifying him.


Fark them. Their opinion on the subject is no more important than mine...or Chelsea Clinton's.
 
2013-04-29 02:40:58 PM  
I don't see color, but people tell me I'm white.
 
2013-04-29 02:41:39 PM  
Is it just me or did Martina Navratilova just give him a bit of a "backhanded" compliment?

"Well done Jason Collins- you are a brave man. And a big man at that:) 1981 was the year for me- 2013 is the year for you:)"

I liked it the 1st time it was done...by me....30+ years ago!!!
 
2013-04-29 02:41:39 PM  

WTF Indeed: Jason Collins coming out = Big Deal

Everyone after Collins coming out = meh


It's a logarithmic scale of big-deal-itude.
 
2013-04-29 02:44:39 PM  

JohnnyCanuck: Is it just me or did Martina Navratilova just give him a bit of a "backhanded" compliment?

"Well done Jason Collins- you are a brave man. And a big man at that:) 1981 was the year for me- 2013 is the year for you:)"

I liked it the 1st time it was done...by me....30+ years ago!!!


Well, probably unintentional... but I did a bit of a double-take on that one.

I assume if she came out in 1981, she had to be one of the first athletes, ever.  So I guess that's sort of important information.
 
2013-04-29 02:44:58 PM  
I'm a strong supporter of gay rights and I think this IS a big deal. It takes courage and it can effect change in attitudes over time. It's a pioneering step and a brave one. NICE going sir!
 
2013-04-29 02:46:15 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: What else would you use as a definition?


Gay = attracted to members of your own gender. Notice how that definition does not involve sexual habits in any other way.

Dancin_In_Anson: Fark them. Their opinion on the subject is no more important than mine...or Chelsea Clinton's.


Except their opinion on the subject leads to  dead children:
i.huffpost.com
Justin Pacheco: Killed himself are being bullied for being gay

2.bp.blogspot.com
Seth Walsh: Killed himself after being bullied in school for being gay

media.salon.com
Jadin Bell: Killed himself after being bullied for being gay.

Look those children in the eye and then say that it doesn't matter what other people's opinions are.
 
2013-04-29 02:46:25 PM  
I don't get his statement. He had to TELL us he's black?
 
2013-04-29 02:47:16 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Rincewind53: What is it with people like you guys?

What? That I don't give a shiat who he likes to have sex with? $10 says he doesn't give a shiat about my sexual habits. Point being is that as soon as we all quit giving a shiat about how the other guy gets his kicks the better off EVERYONE will be.

I

don't give a shiat about who the guy farks.  You don't give a shiat about who the guy farks.  Most of the people in this thread don't give a shiat about who the guy farks.  However, our views on this are not the universal view, particularly in the sports world.  The more common view in professional sports is the one stated before the Super Bowl last year, by a defensive back fo the San Franf*ckingcisco 49ers, fer Chrissake, the NFL team that plays in the most gay-friendly city in the United States:

"Nah, I don't do the gay guys, man ... I don't do that," said Culliver.

Lange then asked if there were any homosexual players were on the 49ers.  "No, we don't got no gay people on the team," said Culliver. "They gotta get up out of here if they do."

Lange asked Culliver to reiterate his thoughts, to which the player said, "It's true." He added he wouldn't welcome a gay teammate - no matter how talented.

"Can't be with that sweet stuff," continued Culliver. "Nah... can't be... in the locker room man. Nah."

When Lange asked Culliver whether any gay players would need to keep their sexual preferences a secret, Culliver said: "Yeah, come out 10 years later after that."


And all you have to do is read some of the moronic comments in the SI thread--and some of the moronic comments in the other Fark thread about this, to know that in the sports world, your and my "who gives a shiat about whether a guy is gay or straight" attitude is very much not universal.  Professional sports is--and likely will remain for a few years--the most obvious bastion of completely accepted homophobia remaining in America, which is why no active NBA, NFL, or MLB playerhas come out as gay before this.

It's no big deal if the waiter at a nice restaurant downtown comes out--none of his co-workers give a shiat, for example.  But when a professional athlete comes out, it's a big deal, because his co-workers (and possibly his employers) do very much give a shiat.  Should they?  Of course not.  Do they?  Of course.
 
2013-04-29 02:47:38 PM  

downstairs: JohnnyCanuck: Is it just me or did Martina Navratilova just give him a bit of a "backhanded" compliment?

"Well done Jason Collins- you are a brave man. And a big man at that:) 1981 was the year for me- 2013 is the year for you:)"

I liked it the 1st time it was done...by me....30+ years ago!!!

Well, probably unintentional... but I did a bit of a double-take on that one.

I assume if she came out in 1981, she had to be one of the first athletes, ever.  So I guess that's sort of important information.


Ya...i'm sure she meant the best. I think I just wanted to refer to a tennis player making a backhanded compliment.
 
2013-04-29 02:47:39 PM  
WTF Indeed: Jason Collins coming out = Big Deal

Everyone after Collins coming out = meh


it has been a long time since it was a big deal when anyone came out
 
2013-04-29 02:47:52 PM  
Rincewind53:
Exactly. That's what pisses me the hell off about the "meh" crowd. Because it's so goddamn small-minded. It screams "Because I'm okay with it that means the problem is solved." It speaks of a complete lack of empathy towards people who are still in the closet, and a deliberate ignorance towards the  actual deaths that are being caused, the families that are destroyed, the lives that are damaged, because of how gay people are treated in our society.

That's a valid point, but isn't this a battle that's all but won?  Sure there are those in the older generation, certain religious groups, etc. that don't like it, but the overwhelming majority of anyone my age (32) and younger accepts the fact that some people are gay, wants to extend them the same rights as anyone else in terms of marrying who they love, and basically view anyone who doesn't as a backwards bigot.  The opposition has already lost, they just don't quite realize it yet.

There may always be holdouts.  There are those today who still think interracial marriage is wrong.  If a famous white sports player introduced his black wife, only the very narrow minded would freak out at it.  In fact, I'd wager there's a lot of overlap in those sets if I had to put money on it.

I am BY NO MEANS saying to give up the fight, I'm just saying that it's VIRTUALLY over now.  Maybe as a footnote in history, the first gay major league sports player to come out as gay is important, and yes it does say a lot to future generations, but it's just a genie that will never go back in the bottle.  People are gay, and an increasingly large number of people support letting them be gay.
 
2013-04-29 02:48:45 PM  
Martina N.'s tweet seemed a bit self-serving.
 
2013-04-29 02:49:00 PM  

Cyberluddite: In other news, Chelsea Clinton is old enough to have been a classmate of a 34-year-old NBA veteran  I did not realize this, but I just looked it up and it turns out she's 33 now.  Wow.


I was kind of taken aback by this realization too, but, you know, it's been over 20 years since she was the middle-school kid at dad's nominating convention, so...

/feeling old
 
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