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(Pro Football Talk)   The team that owns Tim Tebow's CFL rights have said that they would like to sign him. As a back up. To their 41-year-old starter. Who once backed up Kurt Warner. In NFL Europe   (profootballtalk.nbcsports.com) divider line 39
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2013-04-29 01:33:17 PM
Curious... how does one acquire rights to a player in the CFL?  Doesn't the player have to declare themselves eligible for said draft?
 
2013-04-29 01:46:45 PM
Well, yeah he'd be backup. That 41 year old starter has more passing yards than any player in any football league.
 
2013-04-29 01:50:16 PM
Do they even have Baptists in Canada?
 
2013-04-29 01:51:48 PM

downstairs: Curious... how does one acquire rights to a player in the CFL?  Doesn't the player have to declare themselves eligible for said draft?


Nope
 
2013-04-29 01:54:44 PM
Le Tebow
 
2013-04-29 02:02:17 PM
Tebow and his rag arm will fit right in the CFL.
 
2013-04-29 02:05:38 PM

Alkoholiker: Tebow and his rag arm will fit right in the CFL.


Nah, man. Sure, arm strength isn't the main requirement for a good Canadian QB, but the CFL is an accuracy league. You have to consistently hit those 10-25 yarders (especially across the wide-ass field), Tebow has done nothing to show he can do that consistently.
 
2013-04-29 02:06:47 PM
Ya know, I ain't never actually watched a CFL game.

But I was under the impression that the way the offenses up dere in Canadia worked, passing accuracy is generally at a premium, what with the multiple motions and wider field and whatnot.

So, Timmay in the CFL would pretty much be a non-starter, since he can't hit the broad side of a barn.

From inside.

With the doors shut.
 
2013-04-29 02:23:17 PM
If Tebow wants to play in the NFL he needs to change positions. Other players have done it and had successful careers.
 
2013-04-29 02:35:37 PM
He can't gain 10 yards with 4 downs.
 
2013-04-29 02:37:34 PM

Bermuda59: If Tebow wants to play in the NFL he needs to change positions. Other players have done it and had successful careers.


He's good in pass protection, he is a threat to throw the ball and he can run, I say you move him to fullback and use trick plays sometimes where it throws the ball, even if it doesn't work great it will force the safefys and the corners to not be so aggressive on running plays and open up more holes in the line.
 
2013-04-29 02:50:37 PM
Heck I wasn't even aware Tebow had rights to a CFL team.
 
2013-04-29 02:51:02 PM
At this point, he is nowhere near a good enough QB to play the Canadian game. He has some mobility, sure, but the CFL is a pass pass pass kind of league. The 41 year old starter is not so mobile but he has been an excellent QB for very many years. I suppose if anybody could teach Mr Tebow, it would be Anthony Calvillo.

I don't see it though. I don't think Tim Tebow is suited to the Canadian game, where a bigger field requires strong, accurate arms.
 
2013-04-29 03:09:52 PM

Bermuda59: If Tebow wants to play in the NFL he needs to change positions. Other players have done it and had successful careers.


He won't do it. I really think he'd rather ride the "what could have been" mythology into a political career.
 
2013-04-29 03:14:04 PM
I'd still love to see him in Jacksonville as starting QB. You can talk Xs and Os all you want, but that fanbase desperately needs something to believe in and cheer for, and Tebow is someone they can rally around.
 
2013-04-29 03:17:03 PM
Congrats to the Alouettes' management for sticking to the plan of winning Grey cups.  The temptation to automatically dress Tebow for the ratings and attention is tough to deny.
 
2013-04-29 03:28:55 PM
CFL!!!???  pfft.  Tebow can't play well enough for the Arena League.
 
2013-04-29 03:35:17 PM
So I guess there is one thing NFL fans despise and mock more than the CFL...apparently it's Tebow!
 
2013-04-29 03:43:32 PM

teto85: CFL!!!???  pfft.  Tebow can't play well enough for the Arena League.


AFL owners are loving the idea of having him in the league though, simply for promotion purposes. Half the teams in the league are awful anyway, so you might as well be awful and popular and at least stay above bankruptcy.
 
2013-04-29 03:52:14 PM

xaks: Ya know, I ain't never actually watched a CFL game.

But I was under the impression that the way the offenses up dere in Canadia worked, passing accuracy is generally at a premium, what with the multiple motions and wider field and whatnot.

So, Timmay in the CFL would pretty much be a non-starter, since he can't hit the broad side of a barn.

From inside.

With the doors shut.


Same here- never watched a game.  But with the 3 downs, I assume accuracy is of the utmost importance.  Less downs to waste on trick plays.
 
2013-04-29 03:57:45 PM

IAmRight: teto85: CFL!!!???  pfft.  Tebow can't play well enough for the Arena League.

AFL owners are loving the idea of having him in the league though, simply for promotion purposes. Half the teams in the league are awful anyway, so you might as well be awful and popular and at least stay above bankruptcy.


Yeah, see, that's the thing. Even if Tebow sucks... it's the friggin' Arena League. Let's not go acting like there's anyone even remotely decent in the Arena League. People are acting like Tebow isn't fit to play catch with a 10-year-old. He clearly has at least a little bit of talent or else he never would have gotten into the NFL in the first place. At some point the talent level surrounding him is going to dip down far enough to where it's not going to matter if he throws like a pregnant cow because every other QB in the league throws like a pregnant cow too.
 
2013-04-29 04:11:21 PM

Bermuda59: If Tebow wants to play in the NFL he needs to change positions. Other players have done it and had successful careers.


True.  That Robinson kid from Michigan is/was a vastly superior passer and runner than Tebus.  Plus he did it on a team that wasn't more talented than every other team they played.
 
2013-04-29 04:16:27 PM

Gosling: IAmRight: teto85: CFL!!!???  pfft.  Tebow can't play well enough for the Arena League.

AFL owners are loving the idea of having him in the league though, simply for promotion purposes. Half the teams in the league are awful anyway, so you might as well be awful and popular and at least stay above bankruptcy.

Yeah, see, that's the thing. Even if Tebow sucks... it's the friggin' Arena League. Let's not go acting like there's anyone even remotely decent in the Arena League. People are acting like Tebow isn't fit to play catch with a 10-year-old. He clearly has at least a little bit of talent or else he never would have gotten into the NFL in the first place. At some point the talent level surrounding him is going to dip down far enough to where it's not going to matter if he throws like a pregnant cow because every other QB in the league throws like a pregnant cow too.


They should just start a league consisting solely of overrated white boy Jesus lovers.  That shiat would absolutely kill in the South.
 
2013-04-29 04:23:30 PM

Gosling: Let's not go acting like there's anyone even remotely decent in the Arena League.


There are some pretty good players in the AFL. But hey, let's always have a preconceived notion that the best players are all in the NFL.

/there are many players who were even drafted into the NFL, but, like I said in another thread, got injured in training camp and weren't high enough draft picks to bother keeping around
//Tebow would be even worse in the AFL than he is in the NFL
 
2013-04-29 05:33:00 PM

IAmRight: There are some pretty good players in the AFL. But hey, let's always have a preconceived notion that the best players are all in the NFL.


Given the AFL game I went and watched last season... dude, I could hang in the AFL. Who the hell throws a ball away on the last play of the half? Because that's what they did at the game I went to.
 
2013-04-29 05:56:05 PM

WhoopAssWayne: I'd still love to see him in Jacksonville as starting QB. You can talk Xs and Os all you want, but that fanbase desperately needs something to believe in and cheer for, and Tebow is someone they can rally around.


Don't think we'll see it. They basically tried to get him last year and he spurned them for the glitz/glam of NYC. After that somewhat slap to them, Jags owner has basically yelled about how he doesn't want him (during all the mid-year "will they trade him talk")
 
2013-04-29 05:58:05 PM

downstairs: xaks: Ya know, I ain't never actually watched a CFL game.

But I was under the impression that the way the offenses up dere in Canadia worked, passing accuracy is generally at a premium, what with the multiple motions and wider field and whatnot.

So, Timmay in the CFL would pretty much be a non-starter, since he can't hit the broad side of a barn.

From inside.

With the doors shut.

Same here- never watched a game.  But with the 3 downs, I assume accuracy is of the utmost importance.  Less downs to waste on trick plays.


Yep.  Also his legs aren't going to save him.  CFL teams traditionally play a "bend but don't break" style of running defense where they'll give you 3-4 yards, but then you only have one more down to make up the next 6-7.
 
2013-04-29 06:09:37 PM

downstairs: Curious... how does one acquire rights to a player in the CFL?  Doesn't the player have to declare themselves eligible for said draft?


CFL teams maintain a rights and negotiation list for all import (read: American) players.  These rights are tradable.  There is a maximum number of players that you can have on your neg list, so holding onto players very unlikely to ever have their rights available doesn't make sense.  Sometimes, there is a surprise, like the Ricky Williams situation, or another reason that the player becomes available (like Lawrence Phillips).  The only draft in the CFL is for the rights to non-import players.  This is mostly Canadians, but can include any player that received their football instruction outside the US before their 17th birthday, or Americans with dual citizenship.  Non-imports must constitute 50% of the roster, not counting quarterbacks.  It should though, in order to provide incentive to develop Canadian CFL quarterbacks.  Many of them get converted to other positions, like receiver or defensive back.

TeamEd: Alkoholiker: Tebow and his rag arm will fit right in the CFL.

Nah, man. Sure, arm strength isn't the main requirement for a good Canadian QB, but the CFL is an accuracy league. You have to consistently hit those 10-25 yarders (especially across the wide-ass field), Tebow has done nothing to show he can do that consistently.


Arm strength is a requirement for mobile quarterbacks.  A throw from the farside hash marks to the wide side sideline first down marker is 45 yards in the air.   Scramble out to the nearside boundary and that becomes a 68 yard throw.

Now that said- plenty of CFL quarterbacks survived off of the scramble while they dialed in their skills, even ones that went on to be known for their passing skills (Tracy Ham and Damon Allen come to mind).  Damon Allen is the younger brother of another football Allen you may have heard of- Marcus Allen.  What you may not know is that Damon only came up fewer than 300 yards short of Marcus' career rushing mark (11,920 vs 12,243)   And he was a quarterback.  This, of course, in addition to the more than 72,000 passing yards he had.
 
2013-04-29 06:15:03 PM

downstairs: Curious... how does one acquire rights to a player in the CFL?  Doesn't the player have to declare themselves eligible for said draft?


.each CFL team has an exclusive negotiation list (about 20 players) from outside Canada if they become available.

Typically these are guys who have a 50/50 shot in the NFL, but it can be anyone. For example a CFL team wouldn't waste time having RGIII or Peyton Manning on a list but a 5th round undersized receiver might.
 
2013-04-29 06:25:43 PM
I read somewhere that Sanchez was going to throw a "Going Away Party" for Tebow ... but it was intercepted an run back for a touchdown!
 
2013-04-29 08:03:48 PM

Gosling: IAmRight: There are some pretty good players in the AFL. But hey, let's always have a preconceived notion that the best players are all in the NFL.

Given the AFL game I went and watched last season... dude, I could hang in the AFL. Who the hell throws a ball away on the last play of the half? Because that's what they did at the game I went to.


The AFL had at least CFL-level talent in the 2000's, when they had their NBC & ESPN contracts, and salaries around $40-50k on average, with top QBs making 6 figures.  After the league went on hiatus in 2009, it came back run by the guy who was running the af2 (the AFL's "minor league") and it is basically around the same level of talent and pay, with a "highly paid" player making maybe $1,200 a week.
 
2013-04-29 09:51:39 PM

Gosling: Bermuda59: If Tebow wants to play in the NFL he needs to change positions. Other players have done it and had successful careers.

He won't do it. I really think he'd rather ride the "what could have been" mythology into a political career.


Nailed it. IMO.
 
2013-04-29 09:52:08 PM

dletter: The AFL had at least CFL-level talent in the 2000's, when they had their NBC & ESPN contracts, and salaries around $40-50k on average, with top QBs making 6 figures.  After the league went on hiatus in 2009, it came back run by the guy who was running the af2 (the AFL's "minor league") and it is basically around the same level of talent and pay, with a "highly paid" player making maybe $1,200 a week.


They're all at $800/week now, supposedly. No "highly paid" guys. But the fact that any of them still make NFL rosters indicates that the difference isn't that great.

Gosling: Given the AFL game I went and watched last season... dude, I could hang in the AFL.


No, you couldn't. Though you DID have one of the crappier teams in the league. And the franchise did poorly enough that they're not playing this year.

/if you'd gone in 2010, Milwaukee had a guy that did make it on an NFL roster after the season at QB
//as a third-stringer, to be fair
///not like people are going to look for 30+ year olds to start
 
2013-04-29 10:49:53 PM

IAmRight: dletter: The AFL had at least CFL-level talent in the 2000's, when they had their NBC & ESPN contracts, and salaries around $40-50k on average, with top QBs making 6 figures.  After the league went on hiatus in 2009, it came back run by the guy who was running the af2 (the AFL's "minor league") and it is basically around the same level of talent and pay, with a "highly paid" player making maybe $1,200 a week.

They're all at $800/week now, supposedly. No "highly paid" guys. But the fact that any of them still make NFL rosters indicates that the difference isn't that great.

Gosling: Given the AFL game I went and watched last season... dude, I could hang in the AFL.

No, you couldn't. Though you DID have one of the crappier teams in the league. And the franchise did poorly enough that they're not playing this year.

/if you'd gone in 2010, Milwaukee had a guy that did make it on an NFL roster after the season at QB
//as a third-stringer, to be fair
///not like people are going to look for 30+ year olds to start


I was using "highly paid" very loosely.  There are a few QBs who make 1k a week now, but, it is like a "special exception" rule.  You also still have the "under the table" payments rumored to go on, and the "off season" job type of stuff like with San Jose (who is owned by the owner of Fry's).
 
2013-04-29 11:03:05 PM
So, just wondering... do the CFL teams basically do an NFL Fantasy Football draft to have the "rights" to every player somehow?  Just wondering how a team has "Tebow's" rights for example.  Does some team have the rights to Peyton Manning if he becomes delirious, loses all of his money gambling, and needs to play in the CFL?
 
2013-04-30 02:54:57 AM

dletter: So, just wondering... do the CFL teams basically do an NFL Fantasy Football draft to have the "rights" to every player somehow?  Just wondering how a team has "Tebow's" rights for example.  Does some team have the rights to Peyton Manning if he becomes delirious, loses all of his money gambling, and needs to play in the CFL?


. CFL teams have a small list for exclusive negotiating rights for American players (about 20 guys each).  Kind of like a pseudo draft. But yes say Payton manning become available and the Saskatchewan Roughriders have him on their list he can only negotiate with them.
 
2013-04-30 08:39:29 AM
I don't get it. every year, semi-promising college QBs wash out in the NFL. Why is anybody still talking about this clown?
 
2013-04-30 12:43:52 PM

dletter: So, just wondering... do the CFL teams basically do an NFL Fantasy Football draft to have the "rights" to every player somehow?  Just wondering how a team has "Tebow's" rights for example.  Does some team have the rights to Peyton Manning if he becomes delirious, loses all of his money gambling, and needs to play in the CFL?


As was said earler, CFL teams will maintain a list of US players they have rights to.  It's been used to a few times with bigger named players like Ricky Williams, Rajhib Ismael, and Lawrence Phillips, but is mostly used for players who don't draft high in the NFL and could be cut early in their careers.  Since the CFL game favours mobility in players over sheer size they are typically looking for the low NFL draftees for most players.  A lot of QBs, however have CFL rights since they don't fall under the player import rules.

Tebus will suck in the CFL but since Montreal has his rights I welcome him to the league.  Old Man Calvillo should have retired 2 years ago and probably will be injured this year since he has seriously slowed down.  Tebus can add his unique brand of fail to a  team that has been overrated for far too long in the CFL.
 
2013-04-30 05:08:49 PM
SI is reporting that Tebow's been offered a job with a lingerie football league.

 http://t.co/Qq754CoQIG

I think "Achy Breaky Heart" had a longer run.
 
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